I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who comes to
the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks is subhuman? Do
you remember an English guy that wrote a book claiming that Adolph Hitler
was really a good guy, and that the Atrocities were made up by the Allied
side just to justify the war? Is there an actual common behavior here, or is
it just part of many different behavior problems?
Pardon the apparent off topic nature pf this question.

Carl

Carl Valle wrote:


I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who comes to
the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks is subhuman? Do
you remember an English guy that wrote a book claiming that Adolph Hitler
was really a good guy, and that the Atrocities were made up by the Allied
side just to justify the war? Is there an actual common behavior here, or is
it just part of many different behavior problems?
Pardon the apparent off topic nature pf this question.

Carl









Let me begin at the end and work backwards. There is no need to apologize, of
course, for being off-topic, since I strongly suspect your primary question is
motivated by the observations of one of RAO's more verbal apologist/defenders,
correct? Therefore, if I'm correct, it might not really be off topic.

Re. Holocaust apologists and/or deniers, I'm aware that several books and
articles have been written to that effect, but can't cite a specific reference.
It has also been the theme of various anti-semitic propaganda pieces put forth
at various times.

Now re. your first question, there are 3 possible terms that might be used to
describe such a person. (1) Rationalization, (2) Strockholm Syndrome, and (3)
"Identification with the Aggressor".

Of course, most are familiar with rationalization, which was one of many
"defense mechanisms" described in psychoanalytic theory and practice. It
refers to the behavior in which a behavior which would normally be found to be
unacceptable is given an alternative explanation to that which can not be
otherwise justified. Criminals and others with sociopahtic personality
characteristics pretty routinely give excuses for their anitsocial behaviors to
rationalize their occurrence.

The Stockholm Syndrome is based on what actually happened during a Swedish bank
robbery in which hostages later came to defend the robbers, defend their
actions, and claim they were more frightened of the police then of their
captors. While RAO doesn't involve kidnapping, one could argue that many on
RAO are "held hostage" (in a manner of speaking) by certain posters who
routinely "terrorize" all who disagree with their views. While most react in
the way you suggest, at least one poster seems to act in a way similar to those
suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. First, he adopts the views of the
aggressor, then he defends those views and the concurrent antisocial,
inappropriate behavior that accompanies those views, and then, almost as a
natural consequence, he attacks and criticizes all those that don't agree with
him.

Finally, the psychoanlytic concept of "identification with the aggressor" is
very similar to what happened during the Stockholm syndrome. It also had some
parallels during World War Ii, when some concentration camp prisoners were
found to have adopted the views and behaviors of their captors, perhaps as a
"defense" against what otherwise would have been overwhelming fear and anxiety.




Bruce J. Richman

cwvalle a écrit :

I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who comes to
the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks is subhuman? Do
you remember an English guy that wrote a book claiming that Adolph Hitler
was really a good guy, and that the Atrocities were made up by the Allied
side just to justify the war? Is there an actual common behavior here, or is
it just part of many different behavior problems?
Pardon the apparent off topic nature pf this question.

Carl


History is history.
Just to remember you that hitler have been elected.
Just to remember you that hitler would haven't get any power without
active support of the biggest German industry leaders.
Just to remember you that in summer 1945 US army has done in 2 secondes
what would have taken 2 or 3 months to adolf eichmann.

Justice is justice.
Just to remember you that as limited as it is, human justice has
protection purposes and not catharsis purposes.
Just to remember you that in our modern societies lapidation is
thankfully forbidden.

Just to tell you that most of time I prefer adulterous wifes than their
husband. :-)

cwvalle said:

I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who comes to
the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks is subhuman? Do
you remember an English guy that wrote a book claiming that Adolph Hitler
was really a good guy, and that the Atrocities were made up by the Allied
side just to justify the war? Is there an actual common behavior here, or is
it just part of many different behavior problems?
Pardon the apparent off topic nature pf this question.

You could call duh-Mikey an enabler, or just a slightly less
disgusting pile of turds.

"cwvalle" wrote in message
. com...
I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who comes
to
the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks is subhuman?
Do
you remember an English guy that wrote a book claiming that Adolph Hitler
was really a good guy, and that the Atrocities were made up by the Allied
side just to justify the war? Is there an actual common behavior here, or
is
it just part of many different behavior problems?
Pardon the apparent off topic nature pf this question.

Carl

There is a name: Igor, the Vampire's helper, helping his master suck the
life and joy out of this hobby.

"cwvalle" wrote in message
. com

I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who
comes to the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks
is subhuman?

Around here, we call them "Middius supporters"

Robert Morein wrote:


"cwvalle" wrote in message
.com...
I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who comes
to
the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks is subhuman?
Do
you remember an English guy that wrote a book claiming that Adolph Hitler
was really a good guy, and that the Atrocities were made up by the Allied
side just to justify the war? Is there an actual common behavior here, or
is
it just part of many different behavior problems?
Pardon the apparent off topic nature pf this question.

Carl

There is a name: Igor, the Vampire's helper, helping his master suck the
life and joy out of this hobby.









It's been a while since I've seen any of the many Dracula movies, but wasn't
the count's helper named Rensing (or something close to that)?.
Coincidentally, in at least one movie version, Rensing was at some point
confined to a mental institution and ate various insects.

Igor, as I recall, was a name also frequently given to the count's assistant.
It conjures up images of a hunched-over, rather slow-witted servant, who walked
with a noticeable limp.


Some of the parallels are quite striking.



Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman said:

There is a name: Igor, the Vampire's helper, helping his master suck the
life and joy out of this hobby.

It's been a while since I've seen any of the many Dracula movies, but wasn't
the count's helper named Rensing (or something close to that)?.
Coincidentally, in at least one movie version, Rensing was at some point
confined to a mental institution and ate various insects.

Igor, as I recall, was a name also frequently given to the count's assistant.

I think Igor was Dr. Frankenstein's helper.

George M. Middius wrote:


Bruce J. Richman said:

There is a name: Igor, the Vampire's helper, helping his master suck the
life and joy out of this hobby.

It's been a while since I've seen any of the many Dracula movies, but
wasn't
the count's helper named Rensing (or something close to that)?.
Coincidentally, in at least one movie version, Rensing was at some point
confined to a mental institution and ate various insects.

Igor, as I recall, was a name also frequently given to the count's
assistant.

I think Igor was Dr. Frankenstein's helper.













I think perhaps you're right. I have some vague, distant memories of Boris
Karloff saying something to Igor like "Walk this way" in his deep, distinctive
voice.

I haven't seen Young Frankenstein, the Mel Brooks movie, in quite a while, but
I think the late Marty Feldman played the part of Igor and when somebody with a
limp told him to "walk this way", he, of course, imitated the foot-dragging .

But as I recall, Rensing (or a name close to that) was (a) Dracula's loyal
assistant, (b) subsequently committed to a mental institution, and (c) was a
bug eater.


Bruce J. Richman

Dr. Richamn said:

But as I recall, Rensing (or a name close to that) was (a) Dracula's loyal
assistant, (b) subsequently committed to a mental institution, and (c) was a
bug eater.

Oops, you're mixing up Renfield, the bug eater, with Van Helsing, Lucy's
father, who tries to destroy Dracula.

They're actually coming out with a movie in the spring called "Van Helsing,"
with Hugh Jackman as the title character.

Boon

Mr. Phillips wrote:


Dr. Richamn said:

But as I recall, Rensing (or a name close to that) was (a) Dracula's loyal
assistant, (b) subsequently committed to a mental institution, and (c) was a
bug eater.

Oops, you're mixing up Renfield, the bug eater, with Van Helsing, Lucy's
father, who tries to destroy Dracula.

They're actually coming out with a movie in the spring called "Van Helsing,"
with Hugh Jackman as the title character.

Boon







Thanks for the correction, Marc. Like I said, it's been a long time since I've
seen any Dracula movies. So it was Renfield, the bug eater.

The parallels between what happened in Transylvania and what has happened on
RAO are indeed striking. So what eventually happened to Rensing? Did he die
of natural causes, euthanasia, or did he just live on to, perhaps, lobby for
Transylvanian politicians opposed to socialistic practices?

Perhaps RAO readers should carry the following self-preservation kits when
reading certain RAO posts: (1) lots of mirrors - just to be sure of whom the
poster is, (2) crucifixes - for the same reason and also for self-defense, (3)
exposure to sunlight when reading *those* posts, and (4) silver-coated power
cords connecting the PC to the power supply if everything else fails to achieve
the desired result.




Bruce J. Richman

In article ,
(Marc Phillips) wrote:

Dr. Richamn said:

But as I recall, Rensing (or a name close to that) was (a) Dracula's loyal
assistant, (b) subsequently committed to a mental institution, and (c) was a
bug eater.

Oops, you're mixing up Renfield, the bug eater, with Van Helsing, Lucy's
father, who tries to destroy Dracula.

They're actually coming out with a movie in the spring called "Van Helsing,"
with Hugh Jackman as the title character.

In a Dracula episode of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" Zander assumes
Renfield's role, including eating a bug.

Stephen

"cwvalle" said:

I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who comes to
the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks is subhuman? Do
you remember an English guy that wrote a book claiming that Adolph Hitler
was really a good guy, and that the Atrocities were made up by the Allied
side just to justify the war? Is there an actual common behavior here, or is
it just part of many different behavior problems?
Pardon the apparent off topic nature pf this question.

Do a Google search on the name "Oswald Mosley".
A very interesting read, note.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Bruce J. Richman said:

But as I recall, Rensing (or a name close to that) was (a) Dracula's loyal
assistant, (b) subsequently committed to a mental institution, and (c) was a
bug eater.

"Mickey McRensing". Hmm......

Marc Phillips said:

They're actually coming out with a movie in the spring called "Van Helsing,"
with Hugh Jackman as the title character.

Let's hope the part doesn't require singing.

MINe 109 said:

In a Dracula episode of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" Zander assumes
Renfield's role, including eating a bug.

When I was in elementary school, some "scientist" geek brought in a
box of chocolate-covered insects and tried to get us to eat them. And
the teacher went right along (although she abstained).

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

MINe 109 said:

In a Dracula episode of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" Zander assumes
Renfield's role, including eating a bug.

When I was in elementary school, some "scientist" geek brought in a
box of chocolate-covered insects and tried to get us to eat them. And
the teacher went right along (although she abstained).

I suppose they'd be good after a meal of road-kill. All that food going
to waste...

I prefer protein bars. Good as gold!

Some places, anyway.

Stephen

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"cwvalle" wrote in message
. com

I can't recall, but is there a clinical definition for a person who
comes to the defense and praise of a person that everyone else thinks
is subhuman?

Around here, we call them "Middius supporters"

Around here, we call them "Kruegerstein supporters."

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

MINe 109 said:

In a Dracula episode of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" Zander assumes
Renfield's role, including eating a bug.

When I was in elementary school, some "scientist" geek brought in a
box of chocolate-covered insects and tried to get us to eat them. And
the teacher went right along (although she abstained).

I suppose they'd be good after a meal of road-kill. All that food
going to waste...

Culinary ridgity has got to be a sign of some kind of mental dysfunction. Of
course since you're on his team Stephen, he'll never tell us what he thinks.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

MINe 109 said:

In a Dracula episode of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" Zander assumes
Renfield's role, including eating a bug.

When I was in elementary school, some "scientist" geek brought in a
box of chocolate-covered insects and tried to get us to eat them. And
the teacher went right along (although she abstained).

I suppose they'd be good after a meal of road-kill. All that food
going to waste...

Culinary ridgity has got to be a sign of some kind of mental dysfunction.

Or religious practices, or an exercise of personal taste: "I'm sorry, I
don't like roadkill."

And it's "rigidity", Spellcheck-wielding Man.

Of course since you're on his team Stephen, he'll never tell us what he thinks.

I got a sense of what he thought.

Stephen

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
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Around here, we call them "Kruegerstein supporters."



No, we call them ****eaters




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Mr. Middius said:

Marc Phillips said:

They're actually coming out with a movie in the spring called "Van
Helsing,"
with Hugh Jackman as the title character.

Let's hope the part doesn't require singing.

I'd much rather see him in these types of roles ( he does make a great
Wolverine), than starring opposite Meg Ryan or Kate Hudson or Kate Beckinsale
in Hollywood's next negligible romantic comedy POS.

Boon