I began putting up a bunch of posts a few weeks ago about what's going on
out there in the real world, including some satiric lyrics, cartoons, links
to articles about what's happening all around us, etc., and wouldn't you
know, some of the first responses I got were from the likes of Arnii who
wondered out loud why I was so clueless as to not realize this was an audio
discussion forum.

The fact is, since people like Arnii invaded this forum, almost seven years
ago, it has had less and less to do about audio and more and more to do
about mindless, childish bickering about nothing.

So I just thought I'd shake things up a bit and give the regular resident
idiots here something real to bicker about for a change.

And sure enough, as I suspected they would, they, including Arnii, all
started bickering in the threads I started for them to bicker in, to the
point that those threads now contain the vast majority of posts in this ng.
Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit, mind you, but at least
they're bickering about the real world for a change (although no more than a
handful seem to have any grasp that the world they're now bitching about is
any different than the nothingness they used to bitch about).

I suppose the really cruel thing to do would be to abandon RAO again and
allow it to degenerate into a bitch-fest about nothing all over again.

On a kinder note, I hope it's all made your lives a bit more interesting for
a short while.

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

I suppose the really cruel thing to do would be to abandon RAO again and
allow it to degenerate into a bitch-fest about nothing all over again.

On a kinder note, I hope it's all made your lives a bit more interesting
for
a short while.


It's definitely been interesting, but, still, its no substitute for talking
about Wheeler's lawsuit against Arny.




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Sandman wrote:
I began putting up a bunch of posts a few weeks ago about what's going on
out there in the real world, including some satiric lyrics, cartoons, links
to articles about what's happening all around us, etc., and wouldn't you
know, some of the first responses I got were from the likes of Arnii who
wondered out loud why I was so clueless as to not realize this was an audio
discussion forum.

The fact is, since people like Arnii invaded this forum, almost seven years
ago, it has had less and less to do about audio and more and more to do
about mindless, childish bickering about nothing.

So I just thought I'd shake things up a bit and give the regular resident
idiots here something real to bicker about for a change.

And sure enough, as I suspected they would, they, including Arnii, all
started bickering in the threads I started for them to bicker in, to the
point that those threads now contain the vast majority of posts in this ng.
Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit, mind you, but at least
they're bickering about the real world for a change (although no more than a
handful seem to have any grasp that the world they're now bitching about is
any different than the nothingness they used to bitch about).

I suppose the really cruel thing to do would be to abandon RAO again and
allow it to degenerate into a bitch-fest about nothing all over again.

On a kinder note, I hope it's all made your lives a bit more interesting for
a short while.



Homme sable, homme vaniteux, tu n'es que poussière et tu retourneras à
la poussière. ;o)

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message

"Sandman" wrote in message
...

I suppose the really cruel thing to do would be to abandon RAO again
and allow it to degenerate into a bitch-fest about nothing all over
again.

On a kinder note, I hope it's all made your lives a bit more
interesting
for
a short while.


It's definitely been interesting, but, still, its no substitute for
talking about Wheeler's lawsuit against Arny.

Or talking about how in a moment of absent-mindedness you've denied that you
are who you and your clique generally say you are...

You're the one that's going to get "dusted" here froggie boy, unless you
start writing in English when you pick on one of the resident idiots in
the group.

Poor Sandman has no idea what you said to him - He'll have to find
another frog to translate your insult.

Most of the morons that hang here are not bi-lingual, but then I guess
you know that.

The Big Cheese

Liney whines:
Sandman wrote:

I began putting up a bunch of posts a few weeks ago about what's going on
out there in the real world, including some satiric lyrics, cartoons,
links
to articles about what's happening all around us, etc., and wouldn't you
know, some of the first responses I got were from the likes of Arnii who
wondered out loud why I was so clueless as to not realize this was an
audio
discussion forum.

The fact is, since people like Arnii invaded this forum, almost seven
years
ago, it has had less and less to do about audio and more and more to do
about mindless, childish bickering about nothing.

So I just thought I'd shake things up a bit and give the regular resident
idiots here something real to bicker about for a change.

And sure enough, as I suspected they would, they, including Arnii, all
started bickering in the threads I started for them to bicker in, to the
point that those threads now contain the vast majority of posts in
this ng.
Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit, mind you, but at
least
they're bickering about the real world for a change (although no more
than a
handful seem to have any grasp that the world they're now bitching
about is
any different than the nothingness they used to bitch about).

I suppose the really cruel thing to do would be to abandon RAO again and
allow it to degenerate into a bitch-fest about nothing all over again.

On a kinder note, I hope it's all made your lives a bit more
interesting for
a short while.



Homme sable, homme vaniteux, tu n'es que poussière et tu retourneras à
la poussière. ;o)

"Sandman" wrote in message


I began putting up a bunch of posts a few weeks ago about what's
going on out there in the real world, including some satiric lyrics,
cartoons, links to articles about what's happening all around us,
etc., and wouldn't you know, some of the first responses I got were
from the likes of Arnii who wondered out loud why I was so clueless
as to not realize this was an audio discussion forum.

A question that you still haven't answered. However, you've admitted that
your goal was just to play the fool. That's a sort of self-destructive
defense, don't you think?

The fact is, since people like Arnii invaded this forum, almost seven
years ago, it has had less and less to do about audio and more and
more to do about mindless, childish bickering about nothing.

You didn't get it then Sanders and you still don't seem to get it. The
bickering comes from your good buddies like Middius, you know the guy who
also likes to cut your wife down in public. He tries to hide his antisocial
behavior by trying s to make people think that I'm the far larger danger.
Fact is he's persona non grata all over Usenet which is clearly not my
situation. Ironically, Middius can trash your wife just as aggressively as
he's tried to trash mine, and you mostly just ignore his bad behavior
because of your hatred of me.

So I just thought I'd shake things up a bit and give the regular
resident idiots here something real to bicker about for a change.

Except what you posted Sanders wasn't real, it was droppings from your
fairly-land view of national and world politics, firmly grounded in
ignorance and rotten logic.

And sure enough, as I suspected they would, they, including Arnii, all
started bickering in the threads I started for them to bicker in, to
the point that those threads now contain the vast majority of posts
in this ng.

Truth be known Sanders, I only dropped in a few times to point out what an
ignorant, arrogant fool you are, backed with independent factual proof of
your foolishness.

Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit,
mind you, but at least they're bickering about the real world for a
change (although no more than a handful seem to have any grasp that
the world they're now bitching about is any different than the
nothingness they used to bitch about).

Nice try at trying to cover up your many factual blunders, Sanders.

I suppose the really cruel thing to do would be to abandon RAO again
and allow it to degenerate into a bitch-fest about nothing all over
again.

Some things never change. What does seem to change is the identity of the
head bitch. Does this mean that you're bowing out, Sanders?

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:09:16 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit,
mind you, but at least they're bickering about the real world for a
change (although no more than a handful seem to have any grasp that
the world they're now bitching about is any different than the
nothingness they used to bitch about).

Nice try at trying to cover up your many factual blunders, Sanders.

You mean like lying about anonyminity on your web site?

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:09:16 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit,
mind you, but at least they're bickering about the real world for a
change (although no more than a handful seem to have any grasp that
the world they're now bitching about is any different than the
nothingness they used to bitch about).

Nice try at trying to cover up your many factual blunders, Sanders.

You mean like lying about anonyminity on your web site?

Weil, why don't you say something substantiative about this so I can
deconstruct it.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:25:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:09:16 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit,
mind you, but at least they're bickering about the real world for a
change (although no more than a handful seem to have any grasp that
the world they're now bitching about is any different than the
nothingness they used to bitch about).

Nice try at trying to cover up your many factual blunders, Sanders.

You mean like lying about anonyminity on your web site?

Weil, why don't you say something substantiative about this so I can
deconstruct it.

I've already done it, but you were afraid to address it the first
time.

Are you saying that if I address it again, you might actually address
it *this* time?

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:25:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:09:16 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit,
mind you, but at least they're bickering about the real world for
a change (although no more than a handful seem to have any grasp
that the world they're now bitching about is any different than
the nothingness they used to bitch about).

Nice try at trying to cover up your many factual blunders, Sanders.

You mean like lying about anonyminity on your web site?

Weil, why don't you say something substantiative about this so I can
deconstruct it.

I've already done it, but you were afraid to address it the first time.

Well, you just made an equally-vague claim in another post. Is that what
you're talking about?

Are you saying that if I address it again, you might actually address
it *this* time?

What's unclear about the word "substantiative"?

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I mean is
describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains personal information
about people who browse it or download files from it.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:44:14 -0500, The Big Cheese
wrote:

You're the one that's going to get "dusted" here froggie boy, unless you
start writing in English when you pick on one of the resident idiots in
the group.

Poor Sandman has no idea what you said to him - He'll have to find
another frog to translate your insult.

Most of the morons that hang here are not bi-lingual, but then I guess
you know that.

The Big Cheese

How's yer Vietnamese, Bert? Kept up on all these years?

dave weil said to Big Dork:

How's yer Vietnamese, Bert? Kept up on all these years?

Can't be much worse than his "French".

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:25:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:09:16 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit,
mind you, but at least they're bickering about the real world for
a change (although no more than a handful seem to have any grasp
that the world they're now bitching about is any different than
the nothingness they used to bitch about).

Nice try at trying to cover up your many factual blunders, Sanders.

You mean like lying about anonyminity on your web site?

Weil, why don't you say something substantiative about this so I can
deconstruct it.

I've already done it, but you were afraid to address it the first time.

Well, you just made an equally-vague claim in another post. Is that what
you're talking about?

Are you saying that if I address it again, you might actually address
it *this* time?

What's unclear about the word "substantiative"?

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I mean is
describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains personal information
about people who browse it or download files from it.

How did you find out that someone from Sony had "apparently"
downloaded files from your site?

Two words: server logs.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:25:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:09:16 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Not that the level of discourse has changed one bit,
mind you, but at least they're bickering about the real world
for a change (although no more than a handful seem to have any
grasp that the world they're now bitching about is any
different than the nothingness they used to bitch about).

Nice try at trying to cover up your many factual blunders,
Sanders.

You mean like lying about anonyminity on your web site?

Weil, why don't you say something substantiative about this so I
can deconstruct it.

I've already done it, but you were afraid to address it the first
time.

Well, you just made an equally-vague claim in another post. Is that
what you're talking about?

Are you saying that if I address it again, you might actually
address it *this* time?

What's unclear about the word "substantiative"?

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I
mean is describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains
personal information about people who browse it or download files
from it.

How did you find out that someone from Sony had "apparently"
downloaded files from your site?

Two words: server logs.

So what? That is not personal information in any conventionally accepted
sense.

As usual, you're spinning your wheels, Weil.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I mean is
describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains personal information
about people who browse it or download files from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation. I
couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."



"traceable", how, exactly?

Here's the entire message:

http://tinyurl.com/xed8


Hope this clarifies what Weil and the rest are talking about.

Scott Gardner

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I
mean is describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains
personal information about people who browse it or download files
from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation.

But thats not personal information about people.

I couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."

Not personal information, which is what Weil claimed. All I know is that
*some one* or *some thing* at Dolby downloaded some files from www.pcabx.com
..

BTW, thanks for taking Weil's side against me. I need all the enemies I can
get!

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:37:24 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I mean is
describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains personal information
about people who browse it or download files from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation. I
couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."



"traceable", how, exactly?

Here's the entire message:

http://tinyurl.com/xed8


Hope this clarifies what Weil and the rest are talking about.

Scott Gardner

Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:43:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I
mean is describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains
personal information about people who browse it or download files
from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation.

But thats not personal information about people.

I couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."

Not personal information, which is what Weil claimed. All I know is that
*some one* or *some thing* at Dolby downloaded some files from www.pcabx.com
.

BTW, thanks for taking Weil's side against me. I need all the enemies I can
get!

Now you've crossed over to the dark side, Scott. Relations with Mr.
Krueger will never be the same again. Of course, alomst everyone
learns this lesson at one point or another. You're not even the first
Scott to discover this.

dave weil wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:37:24 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I mean is
describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains personal information
about people who browse it or download files from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation. I
couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."



"traceable", how, exactly?

Here's the entire message:

http://tinyurl.com/xed8


Hope this clarifies what Weil and the rest are talking about.

Scott Gardner


Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they received.
Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged in, how many
time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?

"Lionel" wrote in message


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they received.
Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged in, how many
time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.

It obviously was a big secret to Weil.

So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?

Because Weil is not all that bright or well-informed.

You know what they say about a little bit of knowlege...

Well Weil has as small of a bit of knowlege as anyone!

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:43:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I
mean is describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains
personal information about people who browse it or download files
from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation.

But thats not personal information about people.

I couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."

Not personal information, which is what Weil claimed. All I know is that
*some one* or *some thing* at Dolby downloaded some files from www.pcabx.com
.

BTW, thanks for taking Weil's side against me. I need all the enemies I can
get!


But that begs the question - how do you know the downloads were to
Dolby? At the very least, you're going through your server logs and
doing lookups on some or all of the entries. At least twice, you've
announced the likely corporate affiliation of the visitor to this
site.

And for taking Weil's side, I've covered this before. Just because I
agree with him in this instance, it doesn't mean that I like him or
that I dislike you by extension. Geez! You and your "enemies"....You
sound like Nixon.


Scott Gardner

Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they received.
Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged in, how many
time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?


The *how* of what he's doing is no mystery. The question is, *why* is
he going through his server logs, doing lookups on some or all of the
IP addresses, and then posting the likely corporate affiliation of
visitors to his site on this newsgroup?

Scott Gardner

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:53:57 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:37:24 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I mean is
describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains personal information
about people who browse it or download files from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation. I
couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."



"traceable", how, exactly?

Here's the entire message:

http://tinyurl.com/xed8


Hope this clarifies what Weil and the rest are talking about.

Scott Gardner


Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they received.
Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged in, how many
time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?

There's no mystery. Only a claim that anomynity is being claimed.

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message



But that begs the question - how do you know the downloads were to
Dolby? At the very least, you're going through your server logs and
doing lookups on some or all of the entries. At least twice, you've
announced the likely corporate affiliation of the visitor to this
site.

Well Scott, I do have this policy of giving straight answers to technical
questions, even to my enemies.

Web logs contain IP addresses related to accesses to my site.
It is often trivial to turn IP addresses into the names of the domains from
which they come from.

In particular, I use a program called "Analog" to process web logs and it
does this automatically, breaking down the domain names by country, etc. and
listing them out. This is a standard traditional web server log analysis
function.

And for taking Weil's side, I've covered this before. Just because I
agree with him in this instance, it doesn't mean that I like him or
that I dislike you by extension. Geez! You and your "enemies"....You
sound like Nixon.

Thanks again Scott for again taking the side of my enemies. This is actually
a fun scam to watch in action. The basic gambit is to hold me responsible
for even the most trivial things I do, while simultaneously ignoring the
major ethical malfeasance of my enemies. When I point this out to you, you
say something blithe like" Oh, I did that, didn't I?

LOL!

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message

Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they
received. Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged
in, how many time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?


The *how* of what he's doing is no mystery. The question is, *why* is
he going through his server logs, doing lookups on some or all of the
IP addresses, and then posting the likely corporate affiliation of
visitors to his site on this newsgroup?

Shows how naive and ignorant you are, Scott. This kind of analysis is a
standard web log analysis program function.

Mentioning the names of domains that access one's web site is one of those
things that people who have web sites often do in casual conversation.

But here you go again Scott, trying to make an innocent act into a major
crime because I did it.

I really appreciate the subtleness of what you're trying to do, Scott.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:53:57 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:37:24 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode
What I mean is describe the means by which one of my web sites
obtains personal information about people who browse it or
download files from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one
or more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation.
I couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find
where you claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to
Dolby Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."



"traceable", how, exactly?

Here's the entire message:

http://tinyurl.com/xed8


Hope this clarifies what Weil and the rest are talking about.

Scott Gardner


Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they
received. Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged
in, how many time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?

There's no mystery. Only a claim that anomynity is being claimed.

So where did I mention the name of an individual who accessed my web site,
Weil?

I didn't

Therefore personal anonymity is being preserved.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:18:06 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:


Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they received.
Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged in, how many
time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?


The *how* of what he's doing is no mystery. The question is, *why* is
he going through his server logs, doing lookups on some or all of the
IP addresses, and then posting the likely corporate affiliation of
visitors to his site on this newsgroup?

Scott Gardner

And the real issue was orginally putting lie to the claim that his
site is anonymous.

The fact is, the person who downloaded the material might have been
put in jeopardy within his own company. Had someone at Sony (or Dolby)
seen that posting, they could very easily trace who had downloaded the
material, if it was an issue for them. For instance, it could have
been a person doing it on company time for personal reasons
unbeknownst to the company. Another thing is, Sony or Dolby might not
want Arnold using their company for endorsement purposes, especially
when the endorsement is so vague.

There are many potential minefields that Arnold has obviously not
thought about, and the fact that he's ungrateful to me for pointing
them out isn't surprising in the least.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:23:10 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message



But that begs the question - how do you know the downloads were to
Dolby? At the very least, you're going through your server logs and
doing lookups on some or all of the entries. At least twice, you've
announced the likely corporate affiliation of the visitor to this
site.

Well Scott, I do have this policy of giving straight answers to technical
questions, even to my enemies.

Web logs contain IP addresses related to accesses to my site.
It is often trivial to turn IP addresses into the names of the domains from
which they come from.

In particular, I use a program called "Analog" to process web logs and it
does this automatically, breaking down the domain names by country, etc. and
listing them out. This is a standard traditional web server log analysis
function.

And for taking Weil's side, I've covered this before. Just because I
agree with him in this instance, it doesn't mean that I like him or
that I dislike you by extension. Geez! You and your "enemies"....You
sound like Nixon.

Thanks again Scott for again taking the side of my enemies. This is actually
a fun scam to watch in action. The basic gambit is to hold me responsible
for even the most trivial things I do, while simultaneously ignoring the
major ethical malfeasance of my enemies. When I point this out to you, you
say something blithe like" Oh, I did that, didn't I?

LOL!


You never answered the most important part of my question -
why you've, at least twice, announced the likely corporate affiliation
of visitors to your site on this newsgroup.
Examining your server logs is good administrative policy. I
do the same thing. I don't routinely do lookups on the IP addresses
of visitors, but I do see how it would be interesting. I just want to
know why you took the extra step of announcing your findings on this
newsgroup.

And as far as your imagined "scam" - I really ignore more
stuff than you give me credit for - both from you and your "enemies".
Notice that I've never nitpicked your grammar and/or spelling. That's
the kind of stuff I consider trivial and bull****. I've also never
bought into this whole "proven pedophile" crap - which is what it is.
That's bull**** too. Needlessly posting information from your server
logs to this newsgroup is another thing.

Scott Gardner

dave weil wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:53:57 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:37:24 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:



On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:40:56 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
trim

Ohh, I'm talking to Weil. engage speaking to a dumbass mode What I mean is
describe the means by which one of my web sites obtains personal information
about people who browse it or download files from it.

Evidently, they're claiming that you disclosed the identity of one or
more visitors to your site as being from the Sony Corporation. I
couldn't find your claim in a Google search, but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."



"traceable", how, exactly?

Here's the entire message:

http://tinyurl.com/xed8


Hope this clarifies what Weil and the rest are talking about.

Scott Gardner


Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they received.
Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged in, how many
time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?


There's no mystery. Only a claim that anomynity is being claimed.

Sorry Dave but I sincerely think that you and Scott are trying to "****
the fly".
We can understand that Arnold made a reference to prestigious visitors,
moreover when he didn't give any individual name but just company name.

If you have your own site, your provider would supply you with
statistics and visitors domain names... It's a very useful marketing tool.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:27:31 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's no mystery. Only a claim that anomynity is being claimed.

So where did I mention the name of an individual who accessed my web site,
Weil?

I didn't

Therefore personal anonymity is being preserved.

Are you claiming that the IT people at Dolby and Sony can't determine
the identity of the said individuals?

*Now* who's being naive, Arnold?

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:39:54 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:

You never answered the most important part of my question -
why you've, at least twice, announced the likely corporate affiliation
of visitors to your site on this newsgroup.

Frankly, you're never going to get him to admit why he did it.

To the casual observer, there are really only two likely
possibilities, both of which are probably part of it.

One is ego gratification.

The second is promoting his website on the back of the two named
organizations.

Can't see any other reasons. Can you? I'm open to any other
possibilities.

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:39:54 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:


You never answered the most important part of my question -
why you've, at least twice, announced the likely corporate affiliation
of visitors to your site on this newsgroup.


Frankly, you're never going to get him to admit why he did it.

To the casual observer, there are really only two likely
possibilities, both of which are probably part of it.

One is ego gratification.

The second is promoting his website on the back of the two named
organizations.

Can't see any other reasons. Can you? I'm open to any other
possibilities.

You say you work in a restaurant.
When the food was good, the wine great, the waiter intelligent and
affable the customer is happy, right ?

Did you never feel a kind of ego gratification when the big financial
gratification (pourboire) confirm that you have done a good job ?

If the customer is prestigious and that you or your boss let know around
that X have regular diners in this restaurant do you will feel that it's
an unfair behaviour ?

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:42:49 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

Sorry Dave but I sincerely think that you and Scott are trying to "****
the fly".
We can understand that Arnold made a reference to prestigious visitors,
moreover when he didn't give any individual name but just company name.

Are you in favor of giving employers ammunition for policing their
workforce? They do that anyway, but there should be a "Chinese Wall"
when it comes to web sites. The only exception that I can see is in a
case similar to that outlined in Arnold's own privacy statement and
that's if law enforcement gets involved.

If you have your own site, your provider would supply you with
statistics and visitors domain names... It's a very useful marketing tool.

And yet, if they or I disclosed that information on a public forum,
people would reasonably question how I/we were guarding their personal
information, especially if it involved their workplace.

Also, it shows how little thought Arnold has put into his privacy
policies.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:26:21 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message

Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact that
he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they
received. Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged
in, how many time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?


The *how* of what he's doing is no mystery. The question is, *why* is
he going through his server logs, doing lookups on some or all of the
IP addresses, and then posting the likely corporate affiliation of
visitors to his site on this newsgroup?

Shows how naive and ignorant you are, Scott. This kind of analysis is a
standard web log analysis program function.

Let's get this straight. I was never in doubt of *how* you did what
you did. My background in computers in general, and network
administration in particular, is more than adequate for this
discussion. I was more concerned with why you would post the results
of your analysis to this newsgroup.


Mentioning the names of domains that access one's web site is one of those
things that people who have web sites often do in casual conversation.

Yes, but posting to a newsgroup is hardly "casual conversation".
First, there's the worldwide scope of it, then there's the permanence
of it. The Dolby post of yours I quoted was over three years old, and
it took about a minute to find.

Let's put this in a way closer to home for you. The difference
between Usenet and "casual conversation" is the exact reason Wheeler's
suing you for libel and not slander.


But here you go again Scott, trying to make an innocent act into a major
crime because I did it.

It's not a major crime - I never claimed it was. I just don't think
it's right to talk about "anonymity" when you've revealed the likely
corporate affiliation of at least two of your visitors.

I really appreciate the subtleness of what you're trying to do, Scott.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:59:45 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:39:54 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:


You never answered the most important part of my question -
why you've, at least twice, announced the likely corporate affiliation
of visitors to your site on this newsgroup.


Frankly, you're never going to get him to admit why he did it.

To the casual observer, there are really only two likely
possibilities, both of which are probably part of it.

One is ego gratification.

The second is promoting his website on the back of the two named
organizations.

Can't see any other reasons. Can you? I'm open to any other
possibilities.

You say you work in a restaurant.
When the food was good, the wine great, the waiter intelligent and
affable the customer is happy, right ?

Did you never feel a kind of ego gratification when the big financial
gratification (pourboire) confirm that you have done a good job ?

If the customer is prestigious and that you or your boss let know around
that X have regular diners in this restaurant do you will feel that it's
an unfair behaviour ?

We have no privacy requirements in the restaurant business.

But our restaurant doesn't publicize our clientele in any case,
forthis very reason.

And, since I occasionally talk about celebrities in my restaurant in
this forum, it's ANOTHER reason why I've never confirmed the identity
*or* named the restaurant that I work in.

You can drive around the issue of privacy all you want. I have to
assume then that you feel privacy on the internet is a trivial matter.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:39:54 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:

You never answered the most important part of my question -
why you've, at least twice, announced the likely corporate
affiliation of visitors to your site on this newsgroup.

Frankly, you're never going to get him to admit why he did it.

Weil, Since you can read my mind perfectly, you're qualified to know when
that happens, or not.

LOL!

To the casual observer, there are really only two likely
possibilities, both of which are probably part of it.

One is ego gratification.

I'd say that there is some pride associated with those specific facts, among
other facts related to www.pcabx.com

The second is promoting his website on the back of the two named
organizations.

As if the site can't stand on its own merits...

Can't see any other reasons. Can you? I'm open to any other
possibilities.

At the time I did it, it seemed like a fitting response to people who claim
that PCABX is worthless or harmful. I believe the specific claim was that
the PCABX software was "worthless".

Here's the entire post, and a link to the larger context:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=x2...news.flash.net

It includes the following:

George M. Middius" wrote in message
...

"No, he's not, for once in his miserable life. The Kroofulness of
aBxism is apparent to every Rational: The Beast promotes his
nonsense software shamelessly"

Gee Weil, you posted to that thread. Why are you acting like you are so
ignorant of the context surrounding this quote?

Oh, I forgot, ignorant is what you do....

LOL!

"dave weil" wrote in message


But our restaurant doesn't publicize our clientele in any case,
for this very reason.

Any case, eh? So if a food critic eats there and gives favorable mention in
a newspaper, your restaurant would never publicly mention it?

I don't think so...

And, since I occasionally talk about celebrities in my restaurant in
this forum, it's ANOTHER reason why I've never confirmed the identity
*or* named the restaurant that I work in.

This is an interesting dodge. It allows you to brag about your restaurant
using someone's name and yet deceptively claim that you've protected that
person's privacy.

Neat!

;-)

You can drive around the issue of privacy all you want. I have to
assume then that you feel privacy on the internet is a trivial matter.

It's not trivial to me. Unlike you, I've never mentioned the name of a
person who visited my work place (i.e., web site) unless they first
mentioned themselves in public.

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:26:21 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Scott Gardner" wrote in message

Thanks Scott. I didn't remember that one.

I hope that he's a bit more circumspect in the future. The fact
that he's "tracing" downloads seems a shade sinister.


All data servers have a log file of all the connections they
received. Studying IP address you can exactly know who has logged
in, how many time, what has been done...
This is a secret for nobody.
So why so much mysteries around this common fact ?


The *how* of what he's doing is no mystery. The question is, *why*
is he going through his server logs, doing lookups on some or all
of the IP addresses, and then posting the likely corporate
affiliation of visitors to his site on this newsgroup?

Shows how naive and ignorant you are, Scott. This kind of analysis
is a standard web log analysis program function.

Let's get this straight. I was never in doubt of *how* you did what
you did. My background in computers in general, and network
administration in particular, is more than adequate for this
discussion. I was more concerned with why you would post the results
of your analysis to this newsgroup.

Much ado about nothing...

No person's name was ever mentioned or for that part knowable or known.

Actually, I've been able to deduce several users identities on occasion, but
that's another story. I never revealed that info and never would.


Mentioning the names of domains that access one's web site is one of
those things that people who have web sites often do in casual
conversation.

Yes, but posting to a newsgroup is hardly "casual conversation".

Sure it is. This is casual conversation. RAO is not the front page of the
New York Times, in case somehow you thought it was Scott...

First, there's the worldwide scope of it, then there's the permanence
of it. The Dolby post of yours I quoted was over three years old, and
it took about a minute to find.

So what?

Let's put this in a way closer to home for you. The difference
between Usenet and "casual conversation" is the exact reason Wheeler's
suing you for libel and not slander.

Wheeler has lost his mind and thinks that RAO is the real world, and I guess
you have as well Scott. Is this a mental problem that is common among people
who claim their name is Scott?

LOL!

But here you go again Scott, trying to make an innocent act into a
major crime because I did it.

It's not a major crime - I never claimed it was. I just don't think
it's right to talk about "anonymity" when you've revealed the likely
corporate affiliation of at least two of your visitors.

Where has anybody's anonymity been compromised? Where was an actual person's
name mentioned?

I really appreciate the subtleness of what you're trying to do,
Scott.

and the beat goes on...

Scott tips his hand - he's in the sockpuppet wheel camp. I'd bet he's at
least as much of a real person as sockpuppet Yustabe...

LOL!

Scott Gardner said to ****-for-Brains:

but I did find where you
claimed to have traced some downloads from your site to Dolby
Laboratories, Inc.

Here's the quote:

"OTOH, I've been told that Dolby Labs has 100 PCs that are running
CardD Deluxe's. Given that some downloads from www.pcabx.com are
traceable to Dolby..."

"traceable", how, exactly?

Even a download path is traceable when it gets the Kroo-stink on it.

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:59:45 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:


On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:39:54 GMT, (Scott Gardner)
wrote:



You never answered the most important part of my question -
why you've, at least twice, announced the likely corporate affiliation
of visitors to your site on this newsgroup.


Frankly, you're never going to get him to admit why he did it.

To the casual observer, there are really only two likely
possibilities, both of which are probably part of it.

One is ego gratification.

The second is promoting his website on the back of the two named
organizations.

Can't see any other reasons. Can you? I'm open to any other
possibilities.

You say you work in a restaurant.
When the food was good, the wine great, the waiter intelligent and
affable the customer is happy, right ?

Did you never feel a kind of ego gratification when the big financial
gratification (pourboire) confirm that you have done a good job ?

If the customer is prestigious and that you or your boss let know around
that X have regular diners in this restaurant do you will feel that it's
an unfair behaviour ?


We have no privacy requirements in the restaurant business.

But our restaurant doesn't publicize our clientele in any case,
forthis very reason.

And, since I occasionally talk about celebrities in my restaurant in
this forum, it's ANOTHER reason why I've never confirmed the identity
*or* named the restaurant that I work in.

You can drive around the issue of privacy all you want. I have to
assume then that you feel privacy on the internet is a trivial matter.

....No, it's a phantasm. :-(

I have seen Arnold's site linked in many audio sites in USA, Europe,
Australia. Audio cards tests and Pcabx are referenced as to be
"interesting" on many specialized sites.
He has done a job which is available *free of charge* on the internet
and people from prestigious companies are interested in his job... No
reasons to kill the dog. This is my point of view.

Arnold job can be compared to free software development, you like you
use, you don't like you forget. In this job pride is the only salary, so
if you refuse them pride...