Just purchased a Velodyne 12" subwoofer. The salesman told me that
the best way to connect it is to use the speaker level inputs as
opposed to the line level inputs which would result in a smoother
transition of the bass. This goes against what I've read in the past
(I'm mostly a newbie though). My system consists of Mirage speakers
all around and a Yamaha RXV-800 receiver. Any opinions on the best
way to connect?

Use the line level inputs.

I would love to hear how the salesman defines "smoother transition of the
bass."

Mike wrote in message ...
Just purchased a Velodyne 12" subwoofer. The salesman told me that
the best way to connect it is to use the speaker level inputs as
opposed to the line level inputs which would result in a smoother
transition of the bass. This goes against what I've read in the past
(I'm mostly a newbie though). My system consists of Mirage speakers
all around and a Yamaha RXV-800 receiver. Any opinions on the best
way to connect?

In article ,
"Shrivel" wrote:

Use the line level inputs.

I would love to hear how the salesman defines "smoother transition of the
bass."



Ditto

Scott

Shrivel wrote:
Use the line level inputs.

I would love to hear how the salesman defines "smoother transition of the
bass."


REL, one of the most respected subwoofer lines in the world, says the
same thing.

Le Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:57:19 GMT, trotsky ,
a écrit :



Shrivel wrote:
Use the line level inputs.

I would love to hear how the salesman defines "smoother transition of the
bass."


REL, one of the most respected subwoofer lines in the world, says the
same thing.


The most respected subwoofer in the world has a strange name
"Subterfuge".
http://www.jupiter-audio.com/pages/subterfuge.html
You will be able to purchase the unique specimen at a low price if you
wait for 6-8 weeks for Jupiter-Audio's bankruptcy...

Take care of the Trex ! ;-)

Mike wrote in message ...
Just purchased a Velodyne 12" subwoofer. The salesman told me that
the best way to connect it is to use the speaker level inputs as
opposed to the line level inputs which would result in a smoother
transition of the bass. This goes against what I've read in the past
(I'm mostly a newbie though). My system consists of Mirage speakers
all around and a Yamaha RXV-800 receiver. Any opinions on the best
way to connect?

If is has a built-in amp (which it must if it has line level inputs), then
it must be better than your receiver. The salesman is probably going on bad
assumptions due to limited experience. Or else there's more info you
haven't told us.

jeffc wrote:
Mike wrote in message ...

Just purchased a Velodyne 12" subwoofer. The salesman told me that
the best way to connect it is to use the speaker level inputs as
opposed to the line level inputs which would result in a smoother
transition of the bass. This goes against what I've read in the past
(I'm mostly a newbie though). My system consists of Mirage speakers
all around and a Yamaha RXV-800 receiver. Any opinions on the best
way to connect?


If is has a built-in amp (which it must if it has line level inputs), then
it must be better than your receiver.


You don't have your 'choice of amps' with a powered subwoofer. I would
suggest killfiling yourself, "jeff".

what is the difference b/t line level inputs and speaker level inputs?

"jeffc" wrote in message
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Mike wrote in message ...
Just purchased a Velodyne 12" subwoofer. The salesman told me that
the best way to connect it is to use the speaker level inputs as
opposed to the line level inputs which would result in a smoother
transition of the bass. This goes against what I've read in the past
(I'm mostly a newbie though). My system consists of Mirage speakers
all around and a Yamaha RXV-800 receiver. Any opinions on the best
way to connect?

If is has a built-in amp (which it must if it has line level inputs), then
it must be better than your receiver. The salesman is probably going on
bad
assumptions due to limited experience. Or else there's more info you
haven't told us.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:37:07 GMT, "kgs" wrote:

what is the difference b/t line level inputs and speaker level inputs?

Line level inputs are usually coax (RCA), 1-4volts, negligible power
and high impedance (5kohms). Connect to the output of a preamp.

Speaker level inputs are usually paired wires (screw terminals or
binding posts), higher voltage and power (tens of volts and watts) and
low impedance (4-16ohms). Connect to the output of an amplifier.

Kal


"jeffc" wrote in message
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Mike wrote in message ...
Just purchased a Velodyne 12" subwoofer. The salesman told me that
the best way to connect it is to use the speaker level inputs as
opposed to the line level inputs which would result in a smoother
transition of the bass. This goes against what I've read in the past
(I'm mostly a newbie though). My system consists of Mirage speakers
all around and a Yamaha RXV-800 receiver. Any opinions on the best
way to connect?

If is has a built-in amp (which it must if it has line level inputs), then
it must be better than your receiver. The salesman is probably going on
bad
assumptions due to limited experience. Or else there's more info you
haven't told us.

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:37:07 GMT, "kgs" wrote:

what is the difference b/t line level inputs and speaker level inputs?

Line level inputs are usually coax (RCA), 1-4volts, negligible power
and high impedance (5kohms). Connect to the output of a preamp.

Speaker level inputs are usually paired wires (screw terminals or
binding posts), higher voltage and power (tens of volts and watts) and
low impedance (4-16ohms). Connect to the output of an amplifier.

Kal

Not in my powered sub, Hsu VTF-2 (which I think is the topic)
Speaker level are still high impedance so you don't need any
thick speaker wire to use the speaker level inputs.
I think there is just an attenuator on the input before the amp
while line level goes straight into the amp.

ScottW

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:17:49 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Not in my powered sub, Hsu VTF-2 (which I think is the topic)

Did not see the topic or earlier posts but....

Speaker level are still high impedance so you don't need any
thick speaker wire to use the speaker level inputs.
I think there is just an attenuator on the input before the amp
while line level goes straight into the amp.

Exactly. This also means that there are no speaker-level outputs for
the satellites.

Kal

ScottW wrote:
"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:37:07 GMT, "kgs" wrote:


what is the difference b/t line level inputs and speaker level inputs?

Line level inputs are usually coax (RCA), 1-4volts, negligible power
and high impedance (5kohms). Connect to the output of a preamp.

Speaker level inputs are usually paired wires (screw terminals or
binding posts), higher voltage and power (tens of volts and watts) and
low impedance (4-16ohms). Connect to the output of an amplifier.

Kal


Not in my powered sub, Hsu VTF-2 (which I think is the topic)
Speaker level are still high impedance so you don't need any
thick speaker wire to use the speaker level inputs.


Scottie, just out of curiosity, how did "connect to the output of an
amplifier" translate to "you need thick speaker wire" in your syphilitic
brain?

Kalman Rubinson wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:17:49 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Not in my powered sub, Hsu VTF-2 (which I think is the topic)

Did not see the topic or earlier posts but....

Speaker level are still high impedance so you don't need any
thick speaker wire to use the speaker level inputs.
I think there is just an attenuator on the input before the amp
while line level goes straight into the amp.

Exactly. This also means that there are no speaker-level outputs for
the satellites.

Kal

I was specifically talking about sub inputs, not receiver or
processor outputs. The amp I refer to in my comment is the dedicated
power amp embedded in the sub.
I don't understand your comment regarding outputs for satellites.

trotsky wrote in message hlink.net...
ScottW wrote:
"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:37:07 GMT, "kgs" wrote:


what is the difference b/t line level inputs and speaker level inputs?

Line level inputs are usually coax (RCA), 1-4volts, negligible power
and high impedance (5kohms). Connect to the output of a preamp.

Speaker level inputs are usually paired wires (screw terminals or
binding posts), higher voltage and power (tens of volts and watts) and
low impedance (4-16ohms). Connect to the output of an amplifier.

Kal


Not in my powered sub, Hsu VTF-2 (which I think is the topic)
Speaker level are still high impedance so you don't need any
thick speaker wire to use the speaker level inputs.


Scottie, just out of curiosity, how did "connect to the output of an
amplifier" translate to "you need thick speaker wire" in your syphilitic
brain?

We all know you don't understand the different interconnect
requirements of a low impedance load and a high impedance load. Call
Madisound and for $40 they can help you out.

ScottW

On 31 Oct 2003 14:24:27 -0800, (ScottW) wrote:

I was specifically talking about sub inputs, not receiver or
processor outputs. The amp I refer to in my comment is the dedicated
power amp embedded in the sub.

I do not have access to the whole thread so I do not know what was
asked before. My answer was general.

I don't understand your comment regarding outputs for satellites.

Most (but not all) subwoofer amps include crossover for the sub and
for the satellite speakers. How will you roll of the bass for the
satellites? Or will you?

Kal

ScottW wrote:
trotsky wrote in message hlink.net...

ScottW wrote:

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:37:07 GMT, "kgs" wrote:



what is the difference b/t line level inputs and speaker level inputs?

Line level inputs are usually coax (RCA), 1-4volts, negligible power
and high impedance (5kohms). Connect to the output of a preamp.

Speaker level inputs are usually paired wires (screw terminals or
binding posts), higher voltage and power (tens of volts and watts) and
low impedance (4-16ohms). Connect to the output of an amplifier.

Kal


Not in my powered sub, Hsu VTF-2 (which I think is the topic)
Speaker level are still high impedance so you don't need any
thick speaker wire to use the speaker level inputs.


Scottie, just out of curiosity, how did "connect to the output of an
amplifier" translate to "you need thick speaker wire" in your syphilitic
brain?


We all know you don't understand the different interconnect
requirements of a low impedance load and a high impedance load. Call
Madisound and for $40 they can help you out.


Let me get this straight: you're claiming that if I call Madisound or
anybody on Earth there exists the possibility of them telling when you
use "thick speaker wire" and "thin speaker wire" with respect to "high
and low impedance loads"? How do people get this ****ed up?

Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On 31 Oct 2003 14:24:27 -0800, (ScottW) wrote:


I was specifically talking about sub inputs, not receiver or
processor outputs. The amp I refer to in my comment is the dedicated
power amp embedded in the sub.


I do not have access to the whole thread so I do not know what was
asked before. My answer was general.


I don't understand your comment regarding outputs for satellites.


Most (but not all) subwoofer amps include crossover for the sub and
for the satellite speakers. How will you roll of the bass for the
satellites? Or will you?


The natural roll-off of the main speakers usually works just fine,
unless power handling is an issue. The sub affecting the midrange
frequencies is what you have to watch out for.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:52:40 GMT, trotsky wrote:

The natural roll-off of the main speakers usually works just fine,
unless power handling is an issue.

It often is.

Kal

Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:52:40 GMT, trotsky wrote:


The natural roll-off of the main speakers usually works just fine,
unless power handling is an issue.


It often is.


I disagree. Describe the scenarios that you are saying occur often, please.

"trotsky" wrote in message
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ScottW wrote:
trotsky wrote in message
hlink.net...

ScottW wrote:

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:37:07 GMT, "kgs" wrote:



what is the difference b/t line level inputs and speaker level
inputs?

Line level inputs are usually coax (RCA), 1-4volts, negligible power
and high impedance (5kohms). Connect to the output of a preamp.

Speaker level inputs are usually paired wires (screw terminals or
binding posts), higher voltage and power (tens of volts and watts)
and
low impedance (4-16ohms). Connect to the output of an amplifier.

Kal


Not in my powered sub, Hsu VTF-2 (which I think is the topic)
Speaker level are still high impedance so you don't need any
thick speaker wire to use the speaker level inputs.


Scottie, just out of curiosity, how did "connect to the output of an
amplifier" translate to "you need thick speaker wire" in your
syphilitic
brain?


We all know you don't understand the different interconnect
requirements of a low impedance load and a high impedance load. Call
Madisound and for $40 they can help you out.


Let me get this straight: you're claiming that if I call Madisound or
anybody on Earth there exists the possibility of them telling when you
use "thick speaker wire" and "thin speaker wire" with respect to "high
and low impedance loads"?

Sure, but the critical part is you paying for this trivial knowledge.
That way you might actually believe it.
Given your facts in the eye of the beholder mentality.
Perhaps if you had funded your own education it wouldn't have
gone for naught.

ScottW