An independent commission is required to investigate the Trotsky speaker
scandal, and the suppression of the report by Dave Weil, putative author,
whose duty it was to summarize his listening experience with Singh's "Idlyl
of a Rainy Afternoon."

Independent Ear Dave Weil mysteriously refuses to deliver the commissioned
report. Was he bought, bribed, suborned, or threatened?

Weil indicates the listening session ended quickly.

R.A.O. participants reactions vary from disappointment to moral outrage.

What is the Truth about Greg Singh's speakers?

Is it true they were designed on a napkin in a topless bar, or that they
were stuffed with napkins?

Are the Chinese drivers made from burned out Silkworm missile casing?

Weil said,
"I'll have something to say about the stufing later. In the meantime,
you can continue to play games all you want. But that's all they are
and I think it undermines the razor-thin credibility that you attempt
to maintain here with your pseudo-engineer crap. Me? I'll talk about
things I've actually heard."

It is clear that Weil lead us to believe that he would deliver a report
about Singh's speakers.
As a consequence of his default, we are left in the dark as to how quickly
these speakers destroy human hearing.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

An independent commission is required to investigate the Trotsky speaker
scandal, and the suppression of the report by Dave Weil, putative author,
whose duty it was to summarize his listening experience with Singh's "Idlyl
of a Rainy Afternoon."

Independent Ear Dave Weil mysteriously refuses to deliver the commissioned
report. Was he bought, bribed, suborned, or threatened?

Weil indicates the listening session ended quickly.

R.A.O. participants reactions vary from disappointment to moral outrage.

What is the Truth about Greg Singh's speakers?

Is it true they were designed on a napkin in a topless bar, or that they
were stuffed with napkins?

Are the Chinese drivers made from burned out Silkworm missile casing?

Weil said,
"I'll have something to say about the stufing later. In the meantime,
you can continue to play games all you want. But that's all they are
and I think it undermines the razor-thin credibility that you attempt
to maintain here with your pseudo-engineer crap. Me? I'll talk about
things I've actually heard."

It is clear that Weil lead us to believe that he would deliver a report
about Singh's speakers.
As a consequence of his default, we are left in the dark as to how quickly
these speakers destroy human hearing.

Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 03:15:39 +0100, Langis wrote:

Bob, don't give up the day job.

Unfortunately, that *is* his day job.

Sad, isn't it?

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

[snip]
Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.

From what I've heard, there's no reason to discount it. I've been told that
you're a good listener, and fair.

All of which you've undermined by your unseemly silence.

Bob Morein wrote:

An independent commission is required to investigate the Trotsky speaker
scandal, and the suppression of the report by Dave Weil, putative author,
whose duty it was to summarize his listening experience with Singh's
"Idlyl
of a Rainy Afternoon."

Independent Ear Dave Weil mysteriously refuses to deliver the commissioned
report. Was he bought, bribed, suborned, or threatened?

Weil indicates the listening session ended quickly.

R.A.O. participants reactions vary from disappointment to moral outrage.

What is the Truth about Greg Singh's speakers?



Bob, serious question: do you think you're funny? Because from where
I'm sitting, that's one of several reasons why you're going to have an
awful lot of trouble selling a movie script.

Bob Morein wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:


[snip]

Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.


From what I've heard, there's no reason to discount it. I've been told
that
you're a good listener, and fair.

All of which you've undermined by your unseemly silence.




Wow, Bob, you're playing dave like a fiddle. Except that you're tone
deaf, and badly in need of lessons. What I see in you is a junior
Krueger, sitting around in his underpants slobbering for attention.
It's not a pretty sight.

By the way, you might want to file both of those analogies under
"Examples of good writing."

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 01:56:34 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

[snip]
Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.

From what I've heard, there's no reason to discount it. I've been told that
you're a good listener, and fair.

All of which you've undermined by your unseemly silence.

Isn't it fair for me to be allowed to finish my evaluation? Why should
I continue under these conditions? Why should I help someone who
questions my ability to conduct an evaluation? On the converse, I
don't think it's right to go the other way and hurt them either just
because I'm a bit annoyed with them.

Maybe i chose the wrong thing by posting my evaluations as they
unfolded instead of waiting and posting them all at the same time. The
problem was, I had other things going on that were taking up large
blocks of my time and it was taking longer than I had expected to find
the time to seriously evaluate them so, I wanted you guys not to have
to wait for the evaluation. I guess I did myself a disservice by
trying to give you folks timely information...Greg just couldn't wait
the the conclusion.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 01:56:34 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

[snip]
Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.

From what I've heard, there's no reason to discount it. I've been told
that
you're a good listener, and fair.

All of which you've undermined by your unseemly silence.

Isn't it fair for me to be allowed to finish my evaluation? Why should
I continue under these conditions?

In the above, you seem to complain that you're not being allowed to
continue, due to some "conditions."
But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.


Why should I help someone who
questions my ability to conduct an evaluation?

By this, I take it Greg questioned your ability to perform the evaluation.


On the converse, I
don't think it's right to go the other way and hurt them either just
because I'm a bit annoyed with them.

Maybe i chose the wrong thing by posting my evaluations as they
unfolded instead of waiting and posting them all at the same time. The
problem was, I had other things going on that were taking up large
blocks of my time and it was taking longer than I had expected to find
the time to seriously evaluate them so, I wanted you guys not to have
to wait for the evaluation. I guess I did myself a disservice by
trying to give you folks timely information...Greg just couldn't wait
the the conclusion.

I think you're saying this:

Greg wanted the speakers back before you could devote enough time to form a
complete opinion.
He questioned you ability to perform the evaluation.
If this is the case, it is a completely satisfactory answer.

"trotsky" wrote in message
news
Bob Morein wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:


[snip]

Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.


From what I've heard, there's no reason to discount it. I've been told
that
you're a good listener, and fair.

All of which you've undermined by your unseemly silence.




Wow, Bob, you're playing dave like a fiddle. Except that you're tone
deaf, and badly in need of lessons. What I see in you is a junior
Krueger, sitting around in his underpants slobbering for attention.
It's not a pretty sight.

Kinda like that picture of you tinkering in your garage next to the gsoline
can. Perhaps the fumes have done you some harm.

way, you might want to file both of those analogies under
"Examples of good writing."

"trotsky" wrote in message
news
Bob Morein wrote:

An independent commission is required to investigate the Trotsky speaker
scandal, and the suppression of the report by Dave Weil, putative
author,
whose duty it was to summarize his listening experience with Singh's
"Idlyl
of a Rainy Afternoon."

Independent Ear Dave Weil mysteriously refuses to deliver the
commissioned
report. Was he bought, bribed, suborned, or threatened?

Weil indicates the listening session ended quickly.

R.A.O. participants reactions vary from disappointment to moral outrage.

What is the Truth about Greg Singh's speakers?



Bob, serious question: do you think you're funny? Because from where
I'm sitting, that's one of several reasons why you're going to have an
awful lot of trouble selling a movie script.




Greg, do you think you'er an engineer because you cna pay someone to design
a crossover for some cheap ass drivers?

From where I'm sitting that's why you're going to have an awful lot of
trouble selling speakers. :-(

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.

No, I said that I boxed the speakers up and was waiting for him to
pick them up.

Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.

But what's new around here?

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

I think you're saying this:

Greg wanted the speakers back before you could devote enough time to form a
complete opinion.
He questioned you ability to perform the evaluation.
If this is the case, it is a completely satisfactory answer.

It is *not* the case.

But I don't feel like explaining to you YET again.

If you *really* want to know what happened, go back and review the
record.

"Langis" wrote in message
...

Bob, don't give up the day job.


Dormer, are you suggesting that you actually have a day job?

LOL!

Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
news
Bob Morein wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:


[snip]


Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.


From what I've heard, there's no reason to discount it. I've been told
that
you're a good listener, and fair.

All of which you've undermined by your unseemly silence.




Wow, Bob, you're playing dave like a fiddle. Except that you're tone
deaf, and badly in need of lessons. What I see in you is a junior
Krueger, sitting around in his underpants slobbering for attention.
It's not a pretty sight.


Kinda like that picture of you tinkering in your garage next to the gsoline
can. Perhaps the fumes have done you some harm.



Sounds like you're just another Usenet loser afraid to show one iota of
self awareness, Bob. Am I close?

Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
news
Bob Morein wrote:


An independent commission is required to investigate the Trotsky speaker
scandal, and the suppression of the report by Dave Weil, putative

author,

whose duty it was to summarize his listening experience with Singh's
"Idlyl
of a Rainy Afternoon."

Independent Ear Dave Weil mysteriously refuses to deliver the

commissioned

report. Was he bought, bribed, suborned, or threatened?

Weil indicates the listening session ended quickly.

R.A.O. participants reactions vary from disappointment to moral outrage.

What is the Truth about Greg Singh's speakers?



Bob, serious question: do you think you're funny? Because from where
I'm sitting, that's one of several reasons why you're going to have an
awful lot of trouble selling a movie script.



Greg, do you think you'er an engineer because you cna pay someone to design
a crossover for some cheap ass drivers?

From where I'm sitting that's why you're going to have an awful lot of
trouble selling speakers. :-(


We're talking about Bob now. Admit you're afraid to discuss the subject
and shut the **** up. TIA.

dave weil wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:


But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.


No, I said that I boxed the speakers up and was waiting for him to
pick them up.


Jeez, dave, why do you even give this loser the time of day? He's just
trying to push your buttons, and has no interest in what you really have
to say.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:10:29 GMT, trotsky wrote:



dave weil wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:


But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.


No, I said that I boxed the speakers up and was waiting for him to
pick them up.


Jeez, dave, why do you even give this loser the time of day? He's just
trying to push your buttons, and has no interest in what you really have
to say.

He's not the only one.

dave weil wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:10:29 GMT, trotsky wrote:



dave weil wrote:

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:



But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.


No, I said that I boxed the speakers up and was waiting for him to
pick them up.


Jeez, dave, why do you even give this loser the time of day? He's just
trying to push your buttons, and has no interest in what you really have
to say.


He's not the only one.



That sounds like a reference to me, which is completely disingenuous.
I've been on the level since the get go, and you have yet to refute a
single thing I've said.

trotsky said:

I've been on the level since the get go, and you have yet to refute a
single thing I've said.

Or maybe he has refuted them, but your ego or your insanity has
prevented you from admitting it.

Dormer, are you suggesting that you actually have a day job?


Arny, are you suggesting you have a day job? Tell us about the things you excel
at Arny. Oh yeah, nothing. How is your "day job?" Oh yeah, you don't have one.

S888Wheel said:

Arny, are you suggesting you have a day job? Tell us about the things you excel
at Arny. Oh yeah, nothing. How is your "day job?" Oh yeah, you don't have one.

Unless you count his trafficking in kiddie porn, of course.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:53:00 GMT, trotsky wrote:



dave weil wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:10:29 GMT, trotsky wrote:



dave weil wrote:

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:



But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.


No, I said that I boxed the speakers up and was waiting for him to
pick them up.


Jeez, dave, why do you even give this loser the time of day? He's just
trying to push your buttons, and has no interest in what you really have
to say.


He's not the only one.



That sounds like a reference to me, which is completely disingenuous.
I've been on the level since the get go, and you have yet to refute a
single thing I've said.

Geez, Greg, you *are* perceptive.

Let me just relate a couple of instances of you not "paying
attention".

You said that you thought that my "third part" would only be talking
about specific music.

Here's what I wrote in my initial segment as far as how I invisioned
the process going:

"In part 2, I'll be talking about specific music and how I perceive
the speaker when playing those specific pieces. This has gone on too
long already. Hopefully I'll get this part sent by Tuesday at the
latest.

I wanted to get this out fairly quickly and I'm actually writing this
before I get the chance to compare with the Cornwalls and the
Allisons. That will come in part 3 later in the week. Who knows, I
might modify some of my impressions when I get the chance to do that.
The problem has been one of time for me. I've been working sort of day
on day off in the last week and I haven't been able to string a couple
of days off together until now".

Regardess of the numbering sequence, it was clear that there was going
to be basically three portions of the process. The first was a very
preliminary introduction to the speakers, without any idea that this
period would do anything other than giving me the first glimpse into
their character. There was a practical reason for this - it's that you
shipped the stands separately and I wasn't able to immediately set
them up to the standards that they would enjoy during the evaluation.
Actually, the Allisons were probably just as good as stands and I
probably could have just used them.

The second would be an extensive period of listening SOLELY to the
speakers, at which time I might draw on my years of listening to
numerous systems over the year, and the third period DIRECTLY
comparing in as close to real time as possible the Europas with two
speakers that I had in house.

I WAS VERY CLEAR that plugging the Cornwalls and the Allisons *might*
change what I had written previously.

Later, I wrote this modification of the initial segment:

I also used the Fisher X202 tube integrated amp and I
will mention it specifically when applicable.

I also had available a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls, which are the
speakers normally in this system and a pair of Allison CD8s from the
bedroom. The Cornwalls are a 3 way large horn driven system with
compression horn drivers for the midrange and tweeters and a 15 in.
woofer in a large cabinet. Specs and graphs for the speakers can be
found he

Just to make things clear, this should probably be future tense. At
the time I started the review, I was going to write it as a single
review. It quickly became clear that a. my natural wordiness was
inflating the review to mammoth proportions (no editor you know) and
b. it was going to be a few more days before I could complete the
proceedings. So I've split the sessions up. I didn't bother to go back
and chage the tense of these verbs. None of this has actually happened
yet.

I made it CLEAR that I hadn't done a direct comparison yet.

As to the Merlin issue, let's REVISIT my comments about them:

"One revalatory experience for me listening to my Merlin EXP3s at my
previous address (in a much larger space of course) was playing Billie
Holliday's Song for Disingue Lovers (Classic Records). In that space
and on those speakers, Billie and her accompaniment was fully formed
and it REALLY did approach real "liveness" for me (an "in-the-room"
quality). There was an "electrostatic" quality coming out of those
rather large box speakers. Holliday's voice was at just about the
correct height and placed a little left and well forward of the drums.
All of the instrumentation seemed to be where it should without having
that "imaged" quality - they seemed to occupy a space, not a point.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case with the Europas. I have a feeling
that it's mainly influenced by the room - yet, I haven't seen this
much disparity with other things I have listened to. In the case of
the Europas, Holliday's voice appears to be coming directly out of the
left speaker. This has two problems - first, she's now a dwarf.
Second, your attention is drawn to the speaker instead of a
"disembodied" voice standing in free space. Another problem is that
she's further left than I remember. Other albums have kept the voices
closer to what I remember from other rooms, other systems (I'm
speaking especially of things that I've heard over a 10 - 20 year span
in as many as 10 different home listening rooms). I really don't know
why *this* album is so different. I'll have to listen to it again with
the Cornwalls to see if I get the same sort of displacement issues in
this room".

You wrote: You want to compare them to Merlins? That's fine too, if
you can put it in the context of relative size, price, and room
interaction from different rooms.

Except for price (which I've mentioned a few times on this forum, but
maybe I should have mentioned it again, but I think it's a minor
point), I *did* address all of those issues. I also mentioned the
possibility that it might be the room and not the speakers as I
addressed the possibility that I'd find the same issues with the
Cornwalls.

This is why I accuse you of not paying attention and not really
reading what I wrote and instead imposing your own agenda into the
process.

Yep, as long as I wasn't too critical, it was a GREAT review. Shame
you didn't wait until the end to find out whether some of the things
that I was speculating on were or weren't applicable...

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

Dormer, are you suggesting that you actually have a day job?

Arny, are you suggesting you have a day job?

Tell us about your day job, sockpuppet Wheel. Mine is a matter of RAO
record.


Tell us about the things you excel at Arny.

In short, fixing things that are broken.

Oh yeah, nothing.

That's the story of your life, not mine.

How is your "day job?" Oh yeah, you don't have one.

Tell us about your day job, sockpuppet Wheel.

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
news
Bob Morein wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:00 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:


[snip]


Yes, you *are* rather blind...

I'm glad to see that you require my input though. Rather flattering.


From what I've heard, there's no reason to discount it. I've been told
that
you're a good listener, and fair.

All of which you've undermined by your unseemly silence.




Wow, Bob, you're playing dave like a fiddle. Except that you're tone
deaf, and badly in need of lessons. What I see in you is a junior
Krueger, sitting around in his underpants slobbering for attention.
It's not a pretty sight.


Kinda like that picture of you tinkering in your garage next to the
gsoline
can. Perhaps the fumes have done you some harm.



Sounds like you're just another Usenet loser afraid to show one iota of
self awareness, Bob. Am I close?

Only if you are talking to yourself.

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
news
Bob Morein wrote:


An independent commission is required to investigate the Trotsky
speaker
scandal, and the suppression of the report by Dave Weil, putative

author,

whose duty it was to summarize his listening experience with Singh's
"Idlyl
of a Rainy Afternoon."

Independent Ear Dave Weil mysteriously refuses to deliver the

commissioned

report. Was he bought, bribed, suborned, or threatened?

Weil indicates the listening session ended quickly.

R.A.O. participants reactions vary from disappointment to moral
outrage.

What is the Truth about Greg Singh's speakers?



Bob, serious question: do you think you're funny? Because from where
I'm sitting, that's one of several reasons why you're going to have an
awful lot of trouble selling a movie script.



Greg, do you think you'er an engineer because you cna pay someone to
design
a crossover for some cheap ass drivers?

From where I'm sitting that's why you're going to have an awful lot of
trouble selling speakers. :-(


We're talking about Bob now. Admit you're afraid to discuss the subject
and shut the **** up. TIA.

You may be talking about him, I'm talking about you, a subject you seem ill
equipped to discuss, given your complete lack of awarness.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.

No, I said that I boxed the speakers up and was waiting for him to
pick them up.

Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.

But what's new around here?

Pot, meet kettle.

dave weil wrote:

Yep, as long as I wasn't too critical, it was a GREAT review. Shame
you didn't wait until the end to find out whether some of the things
that I was speculating on were or weren't applicable...





I will summarize Trotsky's speakers story like that :
Each time Trostsky called for subcontractors the job is correctly done :
- Web site.
- Photos.
- Speakers review. ;-)

The rest is subterfuge only...
Gregory Singh Jupiter Audio's president who manufactures speakers in his
kitchen.
In the end Jupiter is a good name, according to the giant planete
jupiter-audio hasn't any solid ground it's only some gaz, it's an
abortion, a non lighted abortive star.

Lionel wrote:


The rest is subterfuge only...
Gregory Singh Jupiter Audio's president who manufactures speakers in his
kitchen.
In the end Jupiter is a good name, according to the giant planete
jupiter-audio hasn't any solid ground it's only some gaz, it's an
abortion, a non lighted abortive star.


ie: tons of hot gas and no spark

"Lionel" wrote in message
...

I will summarize Trotsky's speakers story like that :
Each time Trotsky called for subcontractors the job is correctly done :
- Web site.
- Photos.
- Speakers review. ;-)

An astute observation.

The rest is subterfuge only...

Consider the source - Greg Singh.

"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message
...

"trotsky" wrote in message
...

Michael Mckelvy wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
news

Bob Morein wrote:

Greg, do you think you'er an engineer because you can pay someone to
design
a crossover for some cheap ass drivers?

From where I'm sitting that's why you're going to have an awful lot of
trouble selling speakers. :-(

We're talking about Bob now. Admit you're afraid to discuss the subject
and shut the **** up. TIA.

You may be talking about him, I'm talking about you, a subject you seem
ill
equipped to discuss, given your complete lack of awareness.

Consider the consequences of Singh being suddenly afflicted with
self-awareness for the first time.

Not a pretty picture!

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
Tell us about the things you excel at Arny.

In short, fixing things that are broken.


That is about the best you can hope for.






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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
Tell us about the things you excel at Arny.

In short, fixing things that are broken.


That is about the best you can hope for.

I see that you are still too much of a coward to tell us about your day job,
sockpuppet Yustabe.

Would the true facts about your "day job" expose you to ridicule?

I said


Arny, are you suggesting you have a day job?

Arny said


Tell us about your day job, sockpuppet Wheel. Mine is a matter of RAO
record.

The record I see says that you are unemployed. That would mean you have no day
job. That would make you a hypocrite for attacking someone else for their
unemployment. are you really so simple that you need to have things spelled out
for you like this? Oh and yes, I am employed.


I said


Tell us about the things you excel at Arny.

Arny said


In short, fixing things that are broken.

Yeah right. so you were lying when you said you excel at nothing and never
claimed to or is this a lie? Can you prove you excel at fixing anything Arny?
Can you prove that you are an outstanding handyman?

I said



Oh yeah, nothing.

Arny said


That's the story of your life, not mine.


Prove it.

I said


How is your "day job?" Oh yeah, you don't have one.

Arny said


Tell us about your day job, sockpuppet Wheel.


My job is great. It is also irrelevant to audio or my point which is that you
are a hypocrite. You don't have a day job. You are unemployed. That makes you a
hypocrite for attacking others for their lack of employment. Get It?

George M. Middius wrote:

trotsky said:


I've been on the level since the get go, and you have yet to refute a
single thing I've said.


Or maybe he has refuted them, but your ego or your insanity has
prevented you from admitting it.



I noticed that you didn't have a single counter for anything I said, either.

trotsky said:

Or maybe he has refuted them, but your ego or your insanity has
prevented you from admitting it.

I noticed that you didn't have a single counter for anything I said, either.

I am resting my case now, with great gratitude, sweathog.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I see that you are still too much of a coward to tell us about your day
job,
sockpuppet Yustabe.

Would the true facts about your "day job" expose you to ridicule?



Not at all.
But it is irrelevant to audio and it is none of your damn business.

I will tell you this, though. I work in an engineering office although
I am not an engineer. I earn very slightly less than an engineer with
similar management responsibilities. I run multiple projects of much
complexity. I manage consulants. My profession involves complex
issues within at least four other professional disciplines with which
I have a good workiing knowledge. I am very successful at what I do.
I save my employer lots of money.




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dave weil wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:53:00 GMT, trotsky wrote:



dave weil wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:10:29 GMT, trotsky wrote:



dave weil wrote:


On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:51:25 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:




But in the last sentence of your post, you imply that Greg wanted the
speakers back.


No, I said that I boxed the speakers up and was waiting for him to
pick them up.


Jeez, dave, why do you even give this loser the time of day? He's just
trying to push your buttons, and has no interest in what you really have
to say.


He's not the only one.



That sounds like a reference to me, which is completely disingenuous.
I've been on the level since the get go, and you have yet to refute a
single thing I've said.


Geez, Greg, you *are* perceptive.

Let me just relate a couple of instances of you not "paying
attention".

You said that you thought that my "third part" would only be talking
about specific music.

Here's what I wrote in my initial segment as far as how I invisioned
the process going:

"In part 2, I'll be talking about specific music and how I perceive
the speaker when playing those specific pieces. This has gone on too
long already. Hopefully I'll get this part sent by Tuesday at the
latest.

I wanted to get this out fairly quickly and I'm actually writing this
before I get the chance to compare with the Cornwalls and the
Allisons. That will come in part 3 later in the week. Who knows, I
might modify some of my impressions when I get the chance to do that.
The problem has been one of time for me. I've been working sort of day
on day off in the last week and I haven't been able to string a couple
of days off together until now".

Regardess of the numbering sequence, it was clear that there was going
to be basically three portions of the process.


And your beef to my responding after the third part was what, exactly?


The first was a very
preliminary introduction to the speakers, without any idea that this
period would do anything other than giving me the first glimpse into
their character. There was a practical reason for this - it's that you
shipped the stands separately and I wasn't able to immediately set
them up to the standards that they would enjoy during the evaluation.
Actually, the Allisons were probably just as good as stands and I
probably could have just used them.

The second would be an extensive period of listening SOLELY to the
speakers, at which time I might draw on my years of listening to
numerous systems over the year, and the third period DIRECTLY
comparing in as close to real time as possible the Europas with two
speakers that I had in house.

I WAS VERY CLEAR that plugging the Cornwalls and the Allisons *might*
change what I had written previously.

Later, I wrote this modification of the initial segment:


I also used the Fisher X202 tube integrated amp and I
will mention it specifically when applicable.

I also had available a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls, which are the
speakers normally in this system and a pair of Allison CD8s from the
bedroom. The Cornwalls are a 3 way large horn driven system with
compression horn drivers for the midrange and tweeters and a 15 in.
woofer in a large cabinet. Specs and graphs for the speakers can be
found he


Just to make things clear, this should probably be future tense. At
the time I started the review, I was going to write it as a single
review. It quickly became clear that a. my natural wordiness was
inflating the review to mammoth proportions (no editor you know) and
b. it was going to be a few more days before I could complete the
proceedings. So I've split the sessions up. I didn't bother to go back
and chage the tense of these verbs. None of this has actually happened
yet.

I made it CLEAR that I hadn't done a direct comparison yet.


You know, dave, I should give credit where credit is due: at least you
had some sort of game plan, but the language you used was still a problem.



As to the Merlin issue, let's REVISIT my comments about them:

"One revalatory experience for me listening to my Merlin EXP3s at my
previous address (in a much larger space of course) was playing Billie
Holliday's Song for Disingue Lovers (Classic Records). In that space
and on those speakers, Billie and her accompaniment was fully formed
and it REALLY did approach real "liveness" for me (an "in-the-room"
quality). There was an "electrostatic" quality coming out of those
rather large box speakers. Holliday's voice was at just about the
correct height and placed a little left and well forward of the drums.
All of the instrumentation seemed to be where it should without having
that "imaged" quality - they seemed to occupy a space, not a point.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case with the Europas. I have a feeling
that it's mainly influenced by the room - yet, I haven't seen this
much disparity with other things I have listened to. In the case of
the Europas, Holliday's voice appears to be coming directly out of the
left speaker. This has two problems - first, she's now a dwarf.
Second, your attention is drawn to the speaker instead of a
"disembodied" voice standing in free space. Another problem is that
she's further left than I remember. Other albums have kept the voices
closer to what I remember from other rooms, other systems (I'm
speaking especially of things that I've heard over a 10 - 20 year span
in as many as 10 different home listening rooms). I really don't know
why *this* album is so different. I'll have to listen to it again with
the Cornwalls to see if I get the same sort of displacement issues in
this room".

You wrote: You want to compare them to Merlins? That's fine too, if
you can put it in the context of relative size, price, and room
interaction from different rooms.

Except for price (which I've mentioned a few times on this forum, but
maybe I should have mentioned it again, but I think it's a minor
point),


dave, let's just stop this charade. Calling the price of an audio
component a "minor point" shows how utterly, utterly, utterly clueless
you are about what's going on here, as also evidence by your thinking
that "lean bass" isn't a derogatory description, as also evidenced by
your thinking that only speakers covering the entire limits of human
hearing are neutral. I made a mistake, I'll admit it: I had no idea you
wouldn't even have a glimmer, a scintilla, of what the lexicon of audio
description are. There are certain words, terms, and concepts that are
taken as givens, and you seem to be privy to none of these. It doesn't
matter how sincere your efforts have been, the language simply isn't
there to give anything close to an idea of how the speakers sound.



I *did* address all of those issues. I also mentioned the
possibility that it might be the room and not the speakers as I
addressed the possibility that I'd find the same issues with the
Cornwalls.

This is why I accuse you of not paying attention and not really
reading what I wrote and instead imposing your own agenda into the
process.

Yep, as long as I wasn't too critical, it was a GREAT review. Shame
you didn't wait until the end to find out whether some of the things
that I was speculating on were or weren't applicable...


dave, you're brain is running a little lean. And I mean that in a good way.

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:55:31 GMT, trotsky wrote:

dave, you're brain is running a little lean. And I mean that in a good way.

Well, at least it's not lapping over my belt.

I wish you all of the success that you deserve. And I mean that in the
way that you think.

George M. Middius wrote:


trotsky said:


Or maybe he has refuted them, but your ego or your insanity has
prevented you from admitting it.



I noticed that you didn't have a single counter for anything I said,
either.


I am resting my case now, with great gratitude, sweathog.



That much I believe. Fag.

dave weil wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:55:31 GMT, trotsky wrote:


dave, you're brain is running a little lean. And I mean that in a
good way.


Well, at least it's not lapping over my belt.

I wish you all of the success that you deserve. And I mean that in the
way that you think.



That's fine--just let me know if you ever become mentally capable of
discussing the facts.