It just occurred to me that many of us who have the privilege of enjoying
high-end audio in our homes are also wine connoisseurs. I know I am and so
are many of my audiophile friends all over the world.

Therefore, I would like to know your favorite wines when listening to your
favorite recordings and feel free to comment on the accompying foods as
well. Also if you have a habit of matching your wine with the music please
feel free to elaborate.

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Cheers,

Margaret





Cheers,

Margaret

"Margaret von B." wrote in message

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Rancho Zabaco's decent and unspectacular. A couple of I had gone up to
Sonoma with some clients on an off-site and visited a vineyard called Kunde.
Their zin was simply astonishing. I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.

"Margaret von B." wrote in message
.. .
It just occurred to me that many of us who have the privilege of enjoying
high-end audio in our homes are also wine connoisseurs. I know I am and so
are many of my audiophile friends all over the world.

Therefore, I would like to know your favorite wines when listening to your
favorite recordings and feel free to comment on the accompying foods as
well. Also if you have a habit of matching your wine with the music please
feel free to elaborate.

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Cheers,

Margaret

PS: My guess is that Arny is eating unseasoned beef stew and boiled
potatoes, to be followed by a Zantac.



Cheers,

Margaret

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Margaret von B." wrote in message

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola
and Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado
RS-1 headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Rancho Zabaco's decent and unspectacular. A couple of I had gone up to
Sonoma with some clients on an off-site and visited a vineyard called
Kunde. Their zin was simply astonishing. I've never seen it in liquor
stores or at a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a
bottle.


Now I know why I have always liked you, young man. Kunde is indeed a fine
winery known for its quality red wines here in Texas. While one can never
argue about matters of taste, are you sure that the RZ Zin you sampled was
the Dry Creek Valley one and not the Dancing Bull? There's a BIG difference
between the two and you owe yourself to taste the DCV if not certain. While
I wouldn't call it spectacular, it is a great value when it comes to CA
Zinfandels IMHO. If you're a Zin lover, you may also want to check into
Rosenblum, Zoom, Seghesio and 7 Deadly Zins for different interpretations of
the style that are all priced reasonably enough to be daily drinkers.

Cheers,

Margaret


PS. You need to lighten up. :-)

SchizoStupe said:

a vineyard called Kunde. ...
I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.

No they don't.

Did you mean Cline?

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

SchizoStupe said:

a vineyard called Kunde. ...
I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.

No they don't.

Did you mean Cline?

I'm celebrating Texans' new-found right to buy wine through the mail
with a Big Red Truck. Maybe some truck-driving music would go with it.

I'd never heard of Kunde, but the map on their website shows they have
good neighbors.

Stephen

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

SchizoStupe said:

a vineyard called Kunde. ...
I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.

No they don't.

Did you mean Cline?

I'm celebrating Texans' new-found right to buy wine through the mail
with a Big Red Truck. Maybe some truck-driving music would go with it.

I'd never heard of Kunde, but the map on their website shows they have
good neighbors.


Hi Stephen,

Check out Central Market for Kunde. I would start with their Cab.

Cheers,

Margaret

Atkinson's mongrel opines:

SchizoStupe said:

a vineyard called Kunde. ...
I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.

No they don't.

Did you mean Cline?

http://www.wine.com/wineshop/product..._ family_name

I forgot your were illiterate. Sorry.

"Margaret von B." wrote in message

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message

Now I know why I have always liked you, young man. Kunde is indeed a fine
winery known for its quality red wines here in Texas. While one can never
argue about matters of taste, are you sure that the RZ Zin you sampled was
the Dry Creek Valley one and not the Dancing Bull? There's a BIG
difference between the two and you owe yourself to taste the DCV if not
certain. While I wouldn't call it spectacular, it is a great value when it
comes to CA Zinfandels IMHO. If you're a Zin lover, you may also want to
check into Rosenblum, Zoom, Seghesio and 7 Deadly Zins for different
interpretations of the style that are all priced reasonably enough to be
daily drinkers.

Cheers,

Margaret


PS. You need to lighten up. :-)

Maggie,

I wasn't much of a wine drinker, but after moving to California I've
developed a bit of a taste for reds, preferably syrahs and zins.

Actually, the Rancho Zabaco that I was talking about was indeed the Dancing
Bull. I will be sure to pick up a bottle of DCV on my next trip out to the
store. Thanks for your recommendations, I must confess I haven't had a
single one on the list, though we did pass the Rosenblum vineyard on our
trip out to Sonoma. IMO, another good Sonoma zin is Ravenswood.

Among the syrahs, I really do like the Aussie Rosemont Estate, which they
inexplicably call shiraz for some reason. I think it's really super value,
since you can find it for under $10 at most places. Care to recommend any
syrahs?

Schiz

PS - You're right, I really do need to lighten up, but George is a good
sport. ;-)

SchizTwerp said:

Did you mean Cline?

http://www.wine.com/wineshop/product..._ family_name

Well, I'll be. The twerp was right.

Sorry.

Apology accepted.

If needed an other proof of the futility, snobbery and vanity of our
representants of the so-called "High-End Audio"...

:-D

Wine has nothing to do with audio, Margaret, Wine has to do with *Music* and
Music *only*...
In a wine enthousiat context "high-end audio" is just the label on the
bottle.

Class envy ? LOL !...
How to envy a band of grotesque snobby idiots, eh George ?


In , Margaret von B. wrote :

It just occurred to me that many of us who have the privilege of enjoying
high-end audio in our homes are also wine connoisseurs. I know I am and so
are many of my audiophile friends all over the world.

Therefore, I would like to know your favorite wines when listening to your
favorite recordings and feel free to comment on the accompying foods as
well. Also if you have a habit of matching your wine with the music please
feel free to elaborate.

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Cheers,

Margaret





Cheers,

Margaret

In , George M. Middius wrote :



SchizTwerp said:

Did you mean Cline?


http://www.wine.com/wineshop/product..._ family_name

Well, I'll be. The twerp was right.

I suppose this one wasn't in your encyclopedia of "the overwhelming
consensus of the wine connoisseurs"...

:-D

Lionel wrote:
If needed an other proof of the futility, snobbery and vanity of our
representants of the so-called "High-End Audio"...

:-D

Wine has nothing to do with audio, Margaret, Wine has to do with
*Music* and
Music *only*...
In a wine enthousiat context "high-end audio" is just the label on
the
bottle.

Class envy ? LOL !...
How to envy a band of grotesque snobby idiots, eh George ?


"She" is listening to Andrea Bocelli on headphones, Lionel. At least
the wine is better than the music in this case!

In , Margaret von B.
wrote :

It just occurred to me that many of us who have the privilege of
enjoying
high-end audio in our homes are also wine connoisseurs. I know I am
and so
are many of my audiophile friends all over the world.

Therefore, I would like to know your favorite wines when listening
to your
favorite recordings and feel free to comment on the accompying
foods as
well. Also if you have a habit of matching your wine with the music
please
feel free to elaborate.

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with
Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my
Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Cheers,

Margaret





Cheers,

Margaret

On Thu, 19 May 2005 18:15:58 -0700, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"Margaret von B." wrote in message

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Rancho Zabaco's decent and unspectacular. A couple of I had gone up to
Sonoma with some clients on an off-site and visited a vineyard called Kunde.
Their zin was simply astonishing. I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.

I like their Sauvignon Blanc better than I like their Zin. If you want
an astonishing Zin, you should try the Chateau Potelle VGS. It'll cost
you, but it's worth it. Also, for great examples of the varietals,
Ridge is always a good choice, even in lesser years and vineyards. Of
course, they ain't cheap either. Wild Horse does a really tasty Zin,
and Ravenswood always has a nice affordable bottle with plenty of
spice.

BTW, Shiraz is simply the Aussies' name for Syrah. It's actually more
"correct", since it's the place name for the presumed origin of the
grape, which was in Persia. If you want a particularly tasty bottle of
Australian Shiraz, try Two Hands. It's not as spicy as most of the
Aussies, but it's *really* juicy and lush. If it were any more lush,
it'd be treachly, but it's just about perfect (at least the 2001 was).
It is NOT a "perfect" example of Australian Shiraz though, since it's
WAY too jammy. Also, if you want a good Rhone blend from California,
you can't go wrong with Ravenswood Icon, which is the classic blend of
Syrah, Mourvedre and Grenache. Yummy.

Hard to beat Cave Cooperative de Tain L'Hermitage in Cornas for a
really good reasonably priced version of a nice Rhone though. If you
want to find out the difference between classic examples of French vs
Australian Syrah/Shirazes (and there ARE some pretty big differences),
pop for a nice Cote Rotie (most, if not all are 100% Syrahs) and a
Penfolds like Coonawarra (sp?). Skip the Thomas Hyland though. I find
it rather dull.

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 19 May 2005 18:15:58 -0700, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"Margaret von B." wrote in message


Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Rancho Zabaco's decent and unspectacular. A couple of I had gone up to
Sonoma with some clients on an off-site and visited a vineyard called Kunde.
Their zin was simply astonishing. I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.


I like their Sauvignon Blanc better than I like their Zin. If you want
an astonishing Zin, you should try the Chateau Potelle VGS. It'll cost
you, but it's worth it. Also, for great examples of the varietals,
Ridge is always a good choice, even in lesser years and vineyards. Of
course, they ain't cheap either. Wild Horse does a really tasty Zin,
and Ravenswood always has a nice affordable bottle with plenty of
spice.

BTW, Shiraz is simply the Aussies' name for Syrah. It's actually more
"correct", since it's the place name for the presumed origin of the
grape, which was in Persia. If you want a particularly tasty bottle of
Australian Shiraz, try Two Hands. It's not as spicy as most of the
Aussies, but it's *really* juicy and lush. If it were any more lush,
it'd be treachly, but it's just about perfect (at least the 2001 was).
It is NOT a "perfect" example of Australian Shiraz though, since it's
WAY too jammy. Also, if you want a good Rhone blend from California,
you can't go wrong with Ravenswood Icon, which is the classic blend of
Syrah, Mourvedre and Grenache. Yummy.

Hard to beat Cave Cooperative de Tain L'Hermitage in Cornas for a
really good reasonably priced version of a nice Rhone though. If you
want to find out the difference between classic examples of French vs
Australian Syrah/Shirazes (and there ARE some pretty big differences),
pop for a nice Cote Rotie (most, if not all are 100% Syrahs)

All the St Joseph, Côtes Roties, Hermitages Condrieu are
usually 100% Syrah cultivated in terrace (which means about
98% of manual vendanges).
The Grenache appears only in the south of Valence (about
30-40 km). This corresponds in a major geological change and
so to a drastic difference in culture, prune... Now the wine
is mixture (Grenache, Syrah, Carignan, Cinseault,
Clairette... in different proportion but usually with a
dominance of Grenache)
From this point the best is often close to the passable and
the mediocre with some gem : Cornas, Gigondas and some
fantastic Villages.

Let say we have done *only* 150 km following the Rhône
Valley since we are still in north of Avignon... :-)




and a
Penfolds like Coonawarra (sp?). Skip the Thomas Hyland though. I find
it rather dull.

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Margaret von B." wrote in message

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message

Now I know why I have always liked you, young man. Kunde is indeed a fine
winery known for its quality red wines here in Texas. While one can never
argue about matters of taste, are you sure that the RZ Zin you sampled
was the Dry Creek Valley one and not the Dancing Bull? There's a BIG
difference between the two and you owe yourself to taste the DCV if not
certain. While I wouldn't call it spectacular, it is a great value when
it comes to CA Zinfandels IMHO. If you're a Zin lover, you may also want
to check into Rosenblum, Zoom, Seghesio and 7 Deadly Zins for different
interpretations of the style that are all priced reasonably enough to be
daily drinkers.

Cheers,

Margaret


PS. You need to lighten up. :-)

Maggie,

I wasn't much of a wine drinker, but after moving to California I've
developed a bit of a taste for reds, preferably syrahs and zins.

Actually, the Rancho Zabaco that I was talking about was indeed the
Dancing Bull.

I thought so. :-)

I will be sure to pick up a bottle of DCV on my next trip out to the
store. Thanks for your recommendations, I must confess I haven't had a
single one on the list, though we did pass the Rosenblum vineyard on our
trip out to Sonoma. IMO, another good Sonoma zin is Ravenswood.

Among the syrahs, I really do like the Aussie Rosemont Estate, which they
inexplicably call shiraz for some reason. I think it's really super value,
since you can find it for under $10 at most places. Care to recommend any
syrahs?


Well, I must confess that I've somewhat given up on Aussie wines after
several less than satisfactory trials. Most of them seemed watery and bland
to me. And the couple that were not, had a one-note musty, soily, dirty
taste like nutmeg. Yecchhh, I hate nutmeg! I know that they deserve a second
look and I might as well start with the Rosemont Shiraz next time I visit
Central Market or Saglimbeni's. However, it seems that Dave's quite the
expert on wines so I would go with his recommendations. Dave's got expensive
tastes and is recommending some wines that I would only open for special
occasions whereas my picks are geared toward daily drinkers. I'll browse
thru the cellar one of these days and if something there brings a fond
memory I'll let you know. Mostly I'm stocked with Cabs, Zins and Pinot Noirs
with a few cases of french and italian reds and a case or three of
Chardonnay.

Schiz

PS - You're right, I really do need to lighten up, but George is a good
sport. ;-)


Actually, I think he is. We all need to be.


Cheers,

Margaret

On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:19:45 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 19 May 2005 18:15:58 -0700, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:


"Margaret von B." wrote in message


Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Rancho Zabaco's decent and unspectacular. A couple of I had gone up to
Sonoma with some clients on an off-site and visited a vineyard called Kunde.
Their zin was simply astonishing. I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.


I like their Sauvignon Blanc better than I like their Zin. If you want
an astonishing Zin, you should try the Chateau Potelle VGS. It'll cost
you, but it's worth it. Also, for great examples of the varietals,
Ridge is always a good choice, even in lesser years and vineyards. Of
course, they ain't cheap either. Wild Horse does a really tasty Zin,
and Ravenswood always has a nice affordable bottle with plenty of
spice.

BTW, Shiraz is simply the Aussies' name for Syrah. It's actually more
"correct", since it's the place name for the presumed origin of the
grape, which was in Persia. If you want a particularly tasty bottle of
Australian Shiraz, try Two Hands. It's not as spicy as most of the
Aussies, but it's *really* juicy and lush. If it were any more lush,
it'd be treachly, but it's just about perfect (at least the 2001 was).
It is NOT a "perfect" example of Australian Shiraz though, since it's
WAY too jammy. Also, if you want a good Rhone blend from California,
you can't go wrong with Ravenswood Icon, which is the classic blend of
Syrah, Mourvedre and Grenache. Yummy.

Hard to beat Cave Cooperative de Tain L'Hermitage in Cornas for a
really good reasonably priced version of a nice Rhone though. If you
want to find out the difference between classic examples of French vs
Australian Syrah/Shirazes (and there ARE some pretty big differences),
pop for a nice Cote Rotie (most, if not all are 100% Syrahs)

All the St Joseph, Côtes Roties, Hermitages Condrieu are
usually 100% Syrah cultivated in terrace (which means about
98% of manual vendanges).

Same thing I said about Cotes Roties, with the addition of a correct
spelling g.

The Grenache appears only in the south of Valence (about
30-40 km). This corresponds in a major geological change and
so to a drastic difference in culture, prune...

And yet, it's still a Rhone varietal. Is this geographic distinction a
subtle diss of Chateauneuf-du-Pape? I guess that the answer is
contained in the next passage, which I have split up.

Now the wine
is mixture (Grenache, Syrah, Carignan, Cinseault,
Clairette... in different proportion but usually with a
dominance of Grenache)

And yet, the trio that I cited is a classic blend. Of course, then
there's the mixed bag of Chateauneuf-du-Pape. It's similar to the idea
that CabSauv/Merlot/CabFranc/Petit Verdot is the classic blend of
Bordeaux, but you'll also find some vintners thowing Malbec into the
mix. It's just that there are many more permitted varietals in the
Rhone, and so, you can find quite a few combinations. Still, that trio
is known for being a great combination of grapes.

From this point the best is often close to the passable and
the mediocre with some gem : Cornas, Gigondas and some
fantastic Villages.

Well, there's no denying that the Southern Rhone generally offers a
lighter style than the steep slopes of the North. Yes, one should
choose a bit more carefully, although I'd note that there are plenty
of mediocre Cotes du Rhones. And let's not forget that Cornas is
actually NORTH of Valence, if only barely.

Schizoidman said the following, in response to George M. Middius:

I forgot your were illiterate. Sorry.


I wonder if his favorite wine might be Mad Dog 20/20.
I don't beleive him to be sophisticated enough for two buck Chuck. :-)

YMMV

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:48:43 GMT, "Margaret von B."
wrote:

Dave's got expensive
tastes and is recommending some wines that I would only open for special
occasions whereas my picks are geared toward daily drinkers.

Well, not really. I DID suggest some wines in the $30 - 40 price range
(hardly what I'd call expensive these days, although I'd agree that
they wouldn't be "daily drinkers"), but I also recommended some wines
in the $10 - 20 range as well. After all, I stayed away from
recommending Grange or one of the expensive Crozes Hermitages.

A reasonably priced red blend that you might try is one of the
Marietta Bin series. Used to be an absolute STEAL, but, like
everything else, it's crept up. I used to be able to get it $11 but
it's now something like $15 - 20.

said:

I wonder

Mickey, is that you? Have some bugs.

dave weil a écrit :
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:19:45 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :

On Thu, 19 May 2005 18:15:58 -0700, "Schizoid Man"
wrote:



"Margaret von B." wrote in message



Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Rancho Zabaco's decent and unspectacular. A couple of I had gone up to
Sonoma with some clients on an off-site and visited a vineyard called Kunde.
Their zin was simply astonishing. I've never seen it in liquor stores or at
a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a bottle.


I like their Sauvignon Blanc better than I like their Zin. If you want
an astonishing Zin, you should try the Chateau Potelle VGS. It'll cost
you, but it's worth it. Also, for great examples of the varietals,
Ridge is always a good choice, even in lesser years and vineyards. Of
course, they ain't cheap either. Wild Horse does a really tasty Zin,
and Ravenswood always has a nice affordable bottle with plenty of
spice.

BTW, Shiraz is simply the Aussies' name for Syrah. It's actually more
"correct", since it's the place name for the presumed origin of the
grape, which was in Persia. If you want a particularly tasty bottle of
Australian Shiraz, try Two Hands. It's not as spicy as most of the
Aussies, but it's *really* juicy and lush. If it were any more lush,
it'd be treachly, but it's just about perfect (at least the 2001 was).
It is NOT a "perfect" example of Australian Shiraz though, since it's
WAY too jammy. Also, if you want a good Rhone blend from California,
you can't go wrong with Ravenswood Icon, which is the classic blend of
Syrah, Mourvedre and Grenache. Yummy.

Hard to beat Cave Cooperative de Tain L'Hermitage in Cornas for a
really good reasonably priced version of a nice Rhone though. If you
want to find out the difference between classic examples of French vs
Australian Syrah/Shirazes (and there ARE some pretty big differences),
pop for a nice Cote Rotie (most, if not all are 100% Syrahs)

All the St Joseph, Côtes Roties, Hermitages Condrieu are
usually 100% Syrah cultivated in terrace (which means about
98% of manual vendanges).


Same thing I said about Cotes Roties, with the addition of a correct
spelling g.

No problem with the orthograph for me.
Yes everything you have written is correct.

The Grenache appears only in the south of Valence (about
30-40 km). This corresponds in a major geological change and
so to a drastic difference in culture, prune...


And yet, it's still a Rhone varietal. Is this geographic distinction a
subtle diss of Chateauneuf-du-Pape? I guess that the answer is
contained in the next passage, which I have split up.

Not exactly Chateauneu-du-Pape is a little bit more in the
south.
I was speaking of the area between Valence and Orange.


Now the wine
is mixture (Grenache, Syrah, Carignan, Cinseault,
Clairette... in different proportion but usually with a
dominance of Grenache)


And yet, the trio that I cited is a classic blend. Of course, then
there's the mixed bag of Chateauneuf-du-Pape. It's similar to the idea
that CabSauv/Merlot/CabFranc/Petit Verdot is the classic blend of
Bordeaux, but you'll also find some vintners thowing Malbec into the
mix. It's just that there are many more permitted varietals in the
Rhone, and so, you can find quite a few combinations. Still, that trio
is known for being a great combination of grapes.


Absolutly true.


From this point the best is often close to the passable and
the mediocre with some gem : Cornas, Gigondas and some
fantastic Villages.


Well, there's no denying that the Southern Rhone generally offers a
lighter style than the steep slopes of the North. Yes, one should
choose a bit more carefully, although I'd note that there are plenty
of mediocre Cotes du Rhones.

True.
It's a little bit difficult to make a recommendation.
Ususally my preference goes to Tavel, Gigondas, Beaume de
Venise and more sentimentaly Saint Hilaire D'Ozilhan a small
village in which I worked when I was studend.


And let's not forget that Cornas is
actually NORTH of Valence, if only barely.

That's true I made the confusion with Mornas. :-)

Margaret von B. wrote:

It just occurred to me that many of us who have the privilege of enjoying
high-end audio in our homes are also wine connoisseurs. I know I am and so
are many of my audiophile friends all over the world.

Therefore, I would like to know your favorite wines when listening to your
favorite recordings and feel free to comment on the accompying foods as
well. Also if you have a habit of matching your wine with the music please
feel free to elaborate.

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Feh. Pretty average stuff, as is most Zin. As for liking Bocelli -
I can't help you as it's an odd acquired taste.

P.S. Trader Joes?

Margaret von B. wrote:

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
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"Margaret von B." wrote in message


Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola
and Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado
RS-1 headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Rancho Zabaco's decent and unspectacular. A couple of I had gone up to
Sonoma with some clients on an off-site and visited a vineyard called
Kunde. Their zin was simply astonishing. I've never seen it in liquor
stores or at a wine merchant. However, wine.com do carry it for $13 a
bottle.



Now I know why I have always liked you, young man. Kunde is indeed a fine
winery known for its quality red wines here in Texas.

There are acouple of good wineries in Missouri as well. Stone Hill
is pretty decent.(their original location, that is - in Hermann, MO.)
http://www.stonehillwinery.com

This I can sometimes find locally here in Los Angeles. Who says
it has to be from Napa Valley to be any good.(Kunde is nice as well,
though)

Margaret von B. wrote:

Well, I must confess that I've somewhat given up on Aussie wines after
several less than satisfactory trials

Me too. But they do have some excellent Port and Beer.

On Fri, 20 May 2005 20:07:12 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

Same thing I said about Cotes Roties, with the addition of a correct
spelling g.

No problem with the orthograph for me.
Yes everything you have written is correct.

The Grenache appears only in the south of Valence (about
30-40 km). This corresponds in a major geological change and
so to a drastic difference in culture, prune...


And yet, it's still a Rhone varietal. Is this geographic distinction a
subtle diss of Chateauneuf-du-Pape? I guess that the answer is
contained in the next passage, which I have split up.

Not exactly Chateauneu-du-Pape is a little bit more in the
south.
I was speaking of the area between Valence and Orange.

Sorry, it seemed like you were talking about the difference between
North and South Rhone. I guess that the km range refered to where
Grenache is grown, not the line of demarcation.

Now the wine
is mixture (Grenache, Syrah, Carignan, Cinseault,
Clairette... in different proportion but usually with a
dominance of Grenache)


And yet, the trio that I cited is a classic blend. Of course, then
there's the mixed bag of Chateauneuf-du-Pape. It's similar to the idea
that CabSauv/Merlot/CabFranc/Petit Verdot is the classic blend of
Bordeaux, but you'll also find some vintners thowing Malbec into the
mix. It's just that there are many more permitted varietals in the
Rhone, and so, you can find quite a few combinations. Still, that trio
is known for being a great combination of grapes.


Absolutly true.


From this point the best is often close to the passable and
the mediocre with some gem : Cornas, Gigondas and some
fantastic Villages.


Well, there's no denying that the Southern Rhone generally offers a
lighter style than the steep slopes of the North. Yes, one should
choose a bit more carefully, although I'd note that there are plenty
of mediocre Cotes du Rhones.

True.
It's a little bit difficult to make a recommendation.
Ususally my preference goes to Tavel, Gigondas, Beaume de
Venise and more sentimentaly Saint Hilaire D'Ozilhan a small
village in which I worked when I was studend.

I've only knowingly tried Gigondases, although it seems to me that I
had a Rose from Tavel once (if I'm going to drink a French Rose, which
isn't often, I'm probably going to choose something from Provence).
I've liked everyone Gigondas that I've tried, save one.

Thanks for the recommendations.

And let's not forget that Cornas is
actually NORTH of Valence, if only barely.

That's true I made the confusion with Mornas. :-)

In article t,
Joseph Oberlander wrote:

Margaret von B. wrote:

It just occurred to me that many of us who have the privilege of enjoying
high-end audio in our homes are also wine connoisseurs. I know I am and so
are many of my audiophile friends all over the world.

Therefore, I would like to know your favorite wines when listening to your
favorite recordings and feel free to comment on the accompying foods as
well. Also if you have a habit of matching your wine with the music please
feel free to elaborate.

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola and
Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado RS-1
headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Feh. Pretty average stuff, as is most Zin.

A bell curve man...

I think zins are generally a good value compared to other CA reds.

As for liking Bocelli - I can't help you as it's an odd acquired taste.

P.S. Trader Joes?

Not in Texas. BTW, WSJ did a cheap red round-up that left me with the
impression that if it isn't that good, it might as well be cheap.

Stephen

dave weil a écrit :
On Fri, 20 May 2005 20:07:12 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


Same thing I said about Cotes Roties, with the addition of a correct
spelling g.

No problem with the orthograph for me.
Yes everything you have written is correct.


The Grenache appears only in the south of Valence (about
30-40 km). This corresponds in a major geological change and
so to a drastic difference in culture, prune...


And yet, it's still a Rhone varietal. Is this geographic distinction a
subtle diss of Chateauneuf-du-Pape? I guess that the answer is
contained in the next passage, which I have split up.

Not exactly Chateauneu-du-Pape is a little bit more in the
south.
I was speaking of the area between Valence and Orange.


Sorry, it seemed like you were talking about the difference between
North and South Rhone. I guess that the km range refered to where
Grenache is grown, not the line of demarcation.


Now the wine
is mixture (Grenache, Syrah, Carignan, Cinseault,
Clairette... in different proportion but usually with a
dominance of Grenache)


And yet, the trio that I cited is a classic blend. Of course, then
there's the mixed bag of Chateauneuf-du-Pape. It's similar to the idea
that CabSauv/Merlot/CabFranc/Petit Verdot is the classic blend of
Bordeaux, but you'll also find some vintners thowing Malbec into the
mix. It's just that there are many more permitted varietals in the
Rhone, and so, you can find quite a few combinations. Still, that trio
is known for being a great combination of grapes.


Absolutly true.



From this point the best is often close to the passable and

the mediocre with some gem : Cornas, Gigondas and some
fantastic Villages.


Well, there's no denying that the Southern Rhone generally offers a
lighter style than the steep slopes of the North. Yes, one should
choose a bit more carefully, although I'd note that there are plenty
of mediocre Cotes du Rhones.

True.
It's a little bit difficult to make a recommendation.
Ususally my preference goes to Tavel, Gigondas, Beaume de
Venise and more sentimentaly Saint Hilaire D'Ozilhan a small
village in which I worked when I was studend.


I've only knowingly tried Gigondases, although it seems to me that I
had a Rose from Tavel once (if I'm going to drink a French Rose, which
isn't often, I'm probably going to choose something from Provence).

You are right, Tavel is also well known for its rosé. But I
cannot tell since I'm not really a rosé drinker.

I've liked everyone Gigondas that I've tried, save one.

Gigondas isn't very far from Beaume de Venise (about 15 km
or so). These villages are in the Mont Ventoux area.
Tavel is in front of Chateauneuf-du-Pape just on the other
side of the Rhône...

From an American point of view, it is a very small area : a
rectangle of 200 km north-south and maximum 60 km east-west

Thanks for the recommendations.

You're very welcome.


And let's not forget that Cornas is
actually NORTH of Valence, if only barely.

That's true I made the confusion with Mornas. :-)

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
k.net...


Margaret von B. wrote:

It just occurred to me that many of us who have the privilege of enjoying
high-end audio in our homes are also wine connoisseurs. I know I am and
so are many of my audiophile friends all over the world.

Therefore, I would like to know your favorite wines when listening to
your favorite recordings and feel free to comment on the accompying foods
as well. Also if you have a habit of matching your wine with the music
please feel free to elaborate.

Currenly I'm enjoying a Rancho Zabaco Dry Creek Valley 2000 Reserve
Zinfandel. As a snack I have real swedish ginger snaps with Gorgonzola
and Cognag seared pears. I'm listening to Andrea Bocelli through my Grado
RS-1 headphones trying to figure out why I like him so much.

Feh. Pretty average stuff, as is most Zin. As for liking Bocelli -
I can't help you as it's an odd acquired taste.

P.S. Trader Joes?


I'm guessing you're busy reading The Wine Spectator to find some expert
opinions you can regurgitate here... :-)

BTW, Joseph, this is not the pink stuff...

Cheers,

Margaret

Margaret von B. said:

I'm guessing you're busy reading The Wine Spectator to find some expert
opinions you can regurgitate here... :-)

Do you think O'Blather would stoop as low as Krooger? How revolting.

BTW, Joseph, this is not the pink stuff...

The pink, fizzy, sweet stuff in the red pottery jar? We drank that in high
school. I think the name started with L. It was about the same as bottled
sangria. Or, probably, most French table wine for the domestic market.

In article ,
"Margaret von B." wrote:

Obie:
Pretty average stuff, as is most Zin...

I'm guessing you're busy reading The Wine Spectator to find some expert
opinions you can regurgitate here... :-)

BTW, Joseph, this is not the pink stuff...

LOL!

I heard someone on TV say "oh-no-phile" the other day.

Stephen

MINe 109 said:

BTW, Joseph, this is not the pink stuff...

LOL!

I'll take Funky Vocabulary for 600, Alex.

I heard someone on TV say "oh-no-phile" the other day.

The answer is:

This scourge decimated European and American vineyards twice in the 20th
century.

(I have Jeopardy on the brain because of the month-long tournament they're
airing.)

The correct question:

What is phylloxiborg? (RAO version only, of course.)

In , MINe 109 wrote :


I heard someone on TV say "oh-no-phile" the other day.

Is this what George uses to say when "his" hour comes ?

Stereophile's bitch wags his tail:

Did you mean Cline?

http://www.wine.com/wineshop/product..._ family_name

Well, I'll be. The twerp was right.

Sorry.

Apology accepted.

You're very docile today, Middiot.

Did Fremer feed you twice? Or did he just give you a good kick in the ribs?

SchizTwerp said:

Sorry.

Apology accepted.

You're very docile today, Middiot.

Can't you make up an original nickname for me? Using that one makes you a
Krooger wannabe.

Did Fremer feed you twice? Or did he just give you a good kick in the ribs?

Isn't he the Stereophile guy who's in love in turntables? I doubt we'll ever
meet, much less have any discourse.

I do expect you to cozy up to Ferstler soon, if for no other reason than a
desire to spite me.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

You're very docile today, Middiot.

Can't you make up an original nickname for me? Using that one makes you a
Krooger wannabe.

At least I can type Kunde without a 'C' and an 'L'.

Did Fremer feed you twice? Or did he just give you a good kick in the
ribs?

Isn't he the Stereophile guy who's in love in turntables? I doubt we'll
ever
meet, much less have any discourse.

I presume your thumb is still up your ass, which is why you haven't bothered
to look up the word 'trite' in a dictionary.

I do expect you to cozy up to Ferstler soon, if for no other reason than a
desire to spite me.

Was you father a butler? Perhaps your mother was a seamstress.

I am trying to comprehend where exactly your proclivity towards servitude
stems from. (Do let me know if you don't understand any of these words, or
you are unable to use Dictionary.com).

The Pathetic Prancing Prince of RAO exemplifies his stupidity again:

You're very docile today, Middiot.

Can't you make up an original nickname for me? Using that one makes you a
Krooger wannabe.

Just like you were original when you called me 'dothead'?

Please feel free to check Google on who used it first. Don't worry. It won't
lie to you. ;-)

SchizTwerp said:

Can't you make up an original nickname for me? Using that one makes you a
Krooger wannabe.

At least

As expected, the retreat into Ferstlerianism has begun.

I presume your thumb is still up your ass, which is why you haven't bothered
to look up the word 'trite' in a dictionary.

You're still angry about that? Get over it. Just because most of my jokes
sail over your head doesn't mean I'm trite.

I do expect you to cozy up to Ferstler soon, if for no other reason than a
desire to spite me.

Was you father a butler? Perhaps your mother was a seamstress.

Nonsequiturs do not a witty soul make.

I am trying to comprehend where exactly your proclivity towards servitude
stems from. (Do let me know if you don't understand any of these words, or
you are unable to use Dictionary.com).

I am familiar with "comprehend", "exactly", "proclivity", "towards" (a
British variant of the American "toward"), "servitude", and "stems". Even
Brother Horace probably knows all those words. Why you're stringing them
together, though, eludes me.

I would like to repeat my suggestion that what you need is a bonk on the
head. Did you try it, or are you having fun thinking up ways to prefer
Krooger and Ferstler to me?

SchizTwerp said:

Can't you make up an original nickname for me? Using that one makes you a
Krooger wannabe.

Just like you were original when you called me 'dothead'?

Touche, Twerpy. However, I've moved on. Your exercises in alliteration are a
slight improvement, especially considering your barnyard upbringing.


Please feel free to check Google on who used it first. Don't worry. It won't
lie to you. ;-)

Have a good goat's-blood bath tonight.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

I would like to repeat my suggestion that what you need is a bonk on the
head. Did you try it, or are you having fun thinking up ways to prefer
Krooger and Ferstler to me?

In hindsight, I do apologize for my tirade.

By being mean-spirited, vituperative and abusive, I am behaving exactly like
you.

SchizTwerp said:

I would like to repeat my suggestion that what you need is a bonk on the
head. Did you try it, or are you having fun thinking up ways to prefer
Krooger and Ferstler to me?

In hindsight, I do apologize for my tirade.

Apology sneered at.

By being mean-spirited, vituperative and abusive, I am behaving exactly like
you.

Is that a reverse IKYABWAI? "You're as bad as me, but I'm kicking myself, so
you should be kicking yourself too."

Anyway, you're not behaving exactly like me. The main difference being that
you have precious little wit mixed in with your vituperations. Close behind
that is your failure at discerning the Krooborg's essential ****fulness.