Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.

Michael McKelvy wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.
Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.
Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.

Ole !
Everybody who likes the caricatures can play with Michael McKelvy. :-(

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.


1) aye


PS, I don't think the typical Frenchman is as vile as Lionel.
Not good, but not as vile as Lionel.

Art wrote:


"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.


1) aye


PS, I don't think the typical Frenchman is as vile as Lionel.
Not good, but not as vile as Lionel.










1) Aye.




Bruce J. Richman

"The Milkman" wrote in message
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.

Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than anti-semitism?

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:10:23 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"The Milkman" wrote in message
.. .
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.

Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.

"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:10:23 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"The Milkman" wrote in message
.. .
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

Sure, if they are murderous *******s.

"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:10:23 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"The Milkman" wrote in message
. ..
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

Depends on the nature of the crime and the asshole involved.

Do you think it's funny to talk about assassination?

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Art wrote:



"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
hlink.net...

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.


1) aye


PS, I don't think the typical Frenchman is as vile as Lionel.
Not good, but not as vile as Lionel.











1) Aye.

Have you note how Richman cannot resist to participate to McKelvy's pool
and how he takes care to interpose Art Sackman between him and Michael.
This kind of reunion is full of informations...

It is interesting to note that this pool has successfully united the 3
most frustrated RAO's morons :
- The nostagic veteran
- The repressed homosexual
- The psychologist failure

A good sociologist would tell you that it's not a coincidence.

"The Milkman" wrote in message
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

Depends on the nature of the crime and the asshole involved.

Well.. you're an asshole, to an almost criminal extent. When are you
going to dob yourself in?


A little dod'll do ya.

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"The Milkman" wrote in message
...

"Michael McKelvy" wrote:


Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.



Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.

LOL ! After the 9/11 and the WMDs I bet that you are the last American
to be confident in US Secret Services.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:22:04 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:10:23 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"The Milkman" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

Depends on the nature of the crime and the asshole involved.

Do you think it's funny to talk about assassination?

I don't think it's funny to inform on people.

"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:22:04 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:10:23 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"The Milkman" wrote in message
m...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

Depends on the nature of the crime and the asshole involved.

Do you think it's funny to talk about assassination?

I don't think it's funny to inform on people.

I feel sorry for your friends and neighbors if you should see someone
breaking in to one of their homes.

People who are not doing anything wrong don't have to worry about being
informed on.

"The Milkman" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.

If you're being serious - they're probably having a good chuckle at
your expense.

Right, their well known for their sense of humor.

----------
I Deliver.

"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:10:23 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"The Milkman" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

If I could have informed on Sirhan Sirhan or Lee Harvey Oswald before they
did what they did, I would have done so proudly.

Jacob, I take it that you think that informing on Oswald or Sirhan would be
a bad thing, and you wouldn't have done it, given the opportunity?

"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:22:04 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:10:23 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:


"The Milkman" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.
----------
I Deliver.

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

Depends on the nature of the crime and the asshole involved.

Do you think it's funny to talk about assassination?

I don't think it's funny to inform on people.

would you do it if I were to threaten to kill Kerry?

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Clyde Slick said:

I don't think it's funny to inform on people.

would you do it if I were to threaten to kill Kerry?

Not that your comment has anything to do with funniness, but aren't you
a little on the soft side to be an assassin?


probably

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the typical
Frenchman say ahem.

Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.

Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so I'd
say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.

Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so
I'd
say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.



Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim, and
probably not an ethnic Gaul.

Clyde Slick wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
ink.net...

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.


Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so

I'd

say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.




Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...

and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:44:58 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so I'd
say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.

Have you ever read a book about France?

Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...

and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.


You know, watching you two guys clashing in every post is a bit like
watching one of those martial arts movies where the antagonists fly
through the air taking swipes at each other as they pass. Only less
interesting.

paul packer wrote:
Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...


and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.



You know, watching you two guys clashing in every post is a bit like
watching one of those martial arts movies where the antagonists fly
through the air taking swipes at each other as they pass.

:-D

Only less interesting.

No doubt.

"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:44:58 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so
I'd
say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.

Have you ever read a book about France?

France? The country that contains Paris, one of the cleanest cities in the
world?

"Lionel" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.


Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so

I'd

say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the
typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or
that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.




Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...

and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.



Welcome to the Fundamental Islamist State of France.

Clyde Slick wrote:


"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:44:58 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so
I'd
say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the
typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or
that his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.

Have you ever read a book about France?

France? The country that contains Paris, one of the cleanest cities in the
world?

Paris is a very nice city, Florence is also a very nice city. I love Seville
and Porto. Amsterdam, Bruges, Lyon, Pragues are also very nice towns
Marseille is "said" very dirty but I know some Marseille fans.

Your judgment and the contest you have brought about cleanliness of
different cities is very strange. On this audio forum, it's like if you was
critisizing speakers or receiver without haven't heard to them.
This remind me one day when Middius has criticized wines from Corbières
without having never tested them.
The good point is that you are sure to know something interesting, for a
time this will be a suffisant and helpful compensation to your pathologic
envy and frustration.

I hope that you live in a very clean awful city.

Clyde Slick wrote:


"Lionel" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.


Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true, so

I'd

say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the
typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or
that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.




Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...

and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.



Welcome to the Fundamental Islamist State of France.

Not so fundamental since we are not living behind a wall...

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick wrote:


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
. net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.


Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true,
so

I'd

say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the
typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or
that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.




Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...

and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.



Welcome to the Fundamental Islamist State of France.

Not so fundamental since we are not living behind a wall...

by 2050, you will ahve adopted Sharia

"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:58:44 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
wrote:


"Jacob Kramer" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:44:58 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true,
so
I'd
say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the
typical
Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or
that
his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.

Have you ever read a book about France?

France? The country that contains Paris, one of the cleanest cities in
the
world?

Yes, that Paris.

July 19, 1992, Sunday, Late Edition - Final

SECTION: Section 6; Page 14; Column 5; Magazine Desk

HEADLINE: Why Paris Works

BYLINE: By Steven Greenhouse; Steven Greenhouse was a correspondent
in The New York Times Paris bureau for five years and recently joined
the Washington bureau.

BODY:
In a hidden, walled-off area, just west of the Boulevard St.-Michel,
Paul Rissel looks like a figure borrowed from the 19th century as he
opens the door to the lush greenhouse. Wearing a rough brown tweed
sport coat and a long camel-colored scarf, he pushes past some ficus
and stops next to a dozen unobtrusive black trays. These trays, he
points out, are one of the secrets behind the ageless beauty of
Paris's ornate Jardin du Luxembourg, which was built for Queen Marie
de Medicis some 370 years ago. Rissel, one of the two chief gardeners,
explains that the trays produce seedlings for the tens of thousands of
geraniums, dahlias and petunias that the Jardin's 80 gardeners
meticulously replant each May around the majestic central fountain.

The resplendent array of flowers gives the garden the idyllic air of a
Renoir painting. During the gentle rains of spring, lovers stroll hand
in hand, and when the sun breaks through, 5-year-olds scamper around
the fountain to chase after their toy sailboats.

"People just love this garden," says Rissel, with a pride nurtured by
38 years of working at the Jardin. "In most big cities, the natives
lack contact with nature, and that's what we're trying to give them."

A soft-spoken man with soft hands and long gray sideburns, Rissel
heads a small army of gardeners. Each year they plant or transplant
350,000 flowers, and each spring they cart out 150 palm and orange
trees, some of them 200 years old, that were lovingly sheltered from
the winter cold.

At a time when cities from Lagos to Los Angeles are afflicted by
homelessness, crime and budget traumas, Paris's famed garden is an
oasis from urban turmoil. Mayors around the world may be screaming for
cash, but the Jardin du Luxembourg is awash in money. It boasts more
than one gardener per acre, which allows for an attention to detail
and beauty that is rare in modern cities. One gardener devoted two
full months to scooping out the rot from the trunk of a beech tree
that the gardeners were eager to save because it stood eloquently
alongside a small Bartholdi Statue of Liberty. "We function like the
gardeners of an old house of the bourgeoisie," Rissel says. "We do
much more by hand."

Rissel and the garden he nurses are just one gilded strand in the
tapestry of cobbled streets, quaint quays and medieval churches that
make Paris one of the world's most beautiful, best-run cities.
Although many cities appear to be breaking down from poverty and
decaying infrastructure, Paris seems to be improving with age.

FOR MANY OF THE CITY'S 2.2 million residents and many of the 20
million tourists who visit each year, Paris remains a magical, even
transcendent, place. While many Americans shun their own cities as if
they were places suffering from the plague, Paris is a city with which
countless people still have a passionate love affair.

The people who run Paris know that if their city relied on just the
charms of its past, it would lose its magic. Thus, they have sought to
superimpose a smoothly running, modern metropolis on the city
bequeathed them by medieval kings and 18th-century revolutionaries.
And they have succeeded royally.

Garbage is picked up seven days a week, mail is delivered three times
a day and all of Paris's 800 miles of streets are swept by hand each
day. At rush hour, the subways come once every 80 seconds, and many
Metro stops are decorated with mosaics and murals. Affluent families
are rushing not to flee for the suburbs, but to buy apartments in
Paris's choicest neighborhoods and to send their children to public
schools.

There is no single explanation for why Paris works so well. Rather,
Paris has become a shining model for urban planners thanks to numerous
ingredients lacking in many other cities: ample financing, sound
administration, farsighted planning, technological ingenuity, a flair
for design and an ambition to always improve.

It would be wrong to single out Paris from other French cities as a
success story, because Toulouse, Lyons, Nice, Bordeaux and Strasbourg
have worked just as hard to keep their beauty, build a vibrant
cultural life and remain attractive for families. Nonetheless, Paris,
whose metropolitan area includes 10.5 million people (one-fifth of
France's population), is undeniably the Olympus of French cities.

Parisians have two major complaints. Traffic congestion has created a
miasma of noise, pollution and stress, helping to make Paris's
high-strung population even more irritable. The other is that crime is
growing, although the roughest parts of Paris seem no more dangerous
than the safest parts of many American cities. Paris had 80 murders
last year, compared with 482 in Washington, which has about one-fourth
the population.

Homelessness is another problem, although it does not seem one of the
Parisians' main concerns, perhaps because the city has long
romanticized the clochards who sleep along the Seine. The homeless,
estimated at between 6,000 and 15,000, can stay for up to six months
in 60 government-run or private shelters where they receive free room,
board, medical care and job training. Most go to these shelters
voluntarily, but the police often round up sleeping drunks to protect
them from the cold.

"Paris's streets are cleaner than American cities, its garbage is
picked up more regularly, its streets are paved more often and its
bureaucracy is more efficient," says Michel Rousseau, an economics
professor who studies urban problems. "But all this costs a lot of
money."

Fortunately for Paris, the national Government contributes more than
half the city's revenues. Because the state pays so much, Paris's
affluent families do not shoulder a huge fiscal burden of caring for
the immigrants and poor living in the city. This is one reason Paris
has not suffered from the middle-class flight that has hurt so many
American cities.

As one urban planner puts it: "One reason Paris has so few problems is
that the type of people who make problems can't afford to live in
Paris." Economic realities force the poor to live in suburbs ringing
Paris, but even there, in the ban lieue, the levels of poverty,
violence and drugs are a fraction of those in American cities.

"Because of France's republican traditions, there is a real sense of
solidarity, a real desire to help the less-well-off," says Roland
Castro, director of the national Government's efforts to help the
suburbs. "People often point to American cities as a model to avoid.
They say, 'That can happen to us if we let things slide.' "

AT ONE OF THE 50 MAHOGANY TABLES under the gaze of two austere Chinese
statues, Francois Dupin is scribbling on a napkin to explain why his
cafe, Les Deux Magots, remains a mecca for Paris's beau monde. "The
Chamber of Deputies is over there," says the short, dapper cafe
manager, drawing a short black arrow to the west. "The students come
from over there," he says, aiming an arrow to the east. "And all the
artists and antique dealers come from down there." His last arrow
points north to the Seine.

On the cream-colored wall behind him is a photograph of Simone de
Beauvoir hunched over a table, writing at the famed cafe on the
Boulevard St.-Germain. Nearby is a photo of a debonair, mustached
young Ernest Hemingway, reading a newspaper at the cafe. Partly to
imbibe the legend of such famous writers, partly to taste its
flavorful coffee and atmosphere, camera-toting Japanese tourists,
chain-smoking French intellectuals and lanky American
Hemingway-wannabes crowd into Les Deux Magots each day. Many rush to
the sidewalk tables, next to artists selling lithographs and in the
shadow of the 12th-century towers of the church of
St.-Germain-des-Pres.

"We're in a privileged neighborhood," Mr. Dupin says.

In one way or another all of Paris's 20 arrondissements, or districts,
are privileged. The first arrondissement has the Palais Royal and
Louvre; the fourth has the Place des Vosges and the Ile St.-Louis; the
fifth has the Sorbonne; the sixth, the Jardin du Luxembourg and Ecole
des Beaux-Arts; the seventh, the Invalides and the Eiffel Tower. The
eighth is known for the Champs-Elysees, the Elysee Palace and
world-famous shops like Hermes and Christian Lacroix. The ninth has
the grandiose 19th-century Palais Garnier opera house, and the plush
16th is renowned for its opulent fin-de-siecle mansions.

Everyone wants to live in these neighborhoods, but only the privileged
few need apply. One reason is that Paris is small, about half the size
of Brooklyn. Rents have been pushed sky-high by limits on building
heights and a shortage of land for new housing, caused in part by all
the space used for parks, businesses and government. Not wanting Paris
to become Manhattan-sur-Seine, the city's planners have generally
limited building heights to seven stories in the historic center and
relegated skyscrapers to the outskirts.

A two-bedroom apartment in central Paris often costs $2,500 a month,
about the same as in Manhattan and some 60 percent more than in
Chicago. Parking a car costs about $250 a month, roughly the same as
in Manhattan. Cleaning a suit is around $15 and a good chicken runs
$2.30 a pound. About the only things cheaper in Paris than in America
are baguettes, Beaujolais and Christian Dior gowns.

"I love to live in Paris -- I love the possibilities it offers," says
Francoise Romand, a 36-year-old film maker. "The Metro is great, the
buses are great and the city's very safe. If you get lost anywhere,
there's hardly any risk."

In her view, there is nowhere else to live in France for people in
film. Paris gives her the cultural fix she needs day after day. She
recently went to a dance concert by Dominique Bagouet's French troupe,
an experimental farce about a restaurant, "Lapin Chasseur," and a rock
concert at the Cigalle, one of Paris's hottest nightclubs. She also
visited Sophie Calle's photography exhibit at the Museum of Modern Art
and Nicholas Garnier's avant-garde show at an art gallery near the
Boulevard Montparnasse.

And that's not to mention exhibitions at the Grand Palais, Louvre,
Picasso Museum and Musee d'Orsay. The money the national and city
governments spend on Paris's cultural life is probably equal to the
overall budgets of some third world nations.

"The French remain very attached to the idea of culture and
education," says Francoise Cachin, director of the Musee d'Orsay. She
says that both the left and the right agree it is important to finance
museums generously to improve Paris's cultural life and to keep the
tourists coming.

"There is a rivalry between the national and city governments about
who can sponsor the best shows," Cachin says. "It's very positive for
the museums and museumgoers."

Notwithstanding the impressive array of museums and municipal
services, Parisians' local taxes are not astronomical. The reason:
L'Etat, the national Government, pays 40 percent of the city's $23
billion operating budget. The national Government also pays half of
most large projects, like schools, sewers and day-care centers. In
addition, the state finances Paris's public hospitals, covers almost
all welfare costs and pays the salaries of Paris's 24,650 teachers and
26,000 police officers and firefighters.

"In almost every European country, the central Government plays an
important role in supporting the cities," says Leo van den Berg,
director of the European Institute for Comparative Urban Research at
the University of Rotterdam. "Europe's cities are very dependent on
central money, and not so much on local fiscal circumstances."

That the cost of running Paris is spread throughout France means the
city's residents are not socked with exorbitant taxes, although
overall the French pay a greater share of their income for national
taxes than Americans do. Indeed, the main taxes in Paris -- the
apartment tax and the business tax -- are lower than in many country
towns, causing some provincial politicians to complain that they are
subsidizing Paris's elite.

Paris is probably far more spoiled by the state than are other
European cities because it is the seat of Government and the capital
of French finance, industry, entertainment and mass communication. Not
only that, it is the cradle of French culture and history, the city of
Voltaire, Napoleon, Pasteur, Hugo, Proust, de Gaulle and Sartre.

No one will ever see a headline like "Mitterrand to Paris: Drop Dead,"
because one of President Francois Mitterrand's preoccupations is
adding new baubles to the capital. The French press has dubbed him
Mitterramses I because of the huge monuments he has built, including
the $400 million Bastille Opera, the I. M. Pei glass pyramid at the
Louvre, the gigantic new finance ministry and the 350-foot-tall Grande
Arche de la Defense. And that doesn't include the $1.3 billion
Bibliotheque de France that Mitterrand has commissioned, which is
slated to be the world's largest library.

Mitterrand's presidential projects, with a price tag of $3 billion,
follow similarly grandiose schemes by his predecessors: Valery Giscard
d'Estaing masterminded the Musee d'Orsay and the Cite des Sciences
museum, while Georges Pompidou fathered the Pompidou Center, the
hugely popular art museum.

Although many critics deride these buildings as monuments to
presidential egos, these projects have undeniably increased Paris's
stature as a city of art, culture and architecture. The Musee d'Orsay,
for instance, attracts almost four million visitors a year, and art
critics from around the world have hailed its recent exhibitions on
Seurat, Munch and Gauguin. The museum, which used to be a train
station, was slated for demolition until President Giscard d'Estaing
moved to save it. "It was a project that couldn't be done without the
will of the State," says Cachin, the museum's director. "I can only
rejoice."

TOURISTS strolling along Quai de Montebello near Notre Dame often pass
a man in a green uniform who is intently sweeping the street with what
looks like a large twig broom. Street cleaners like him are ubiquitous
in Paris -- of the city's 38,000 employees, 4,500 are sweepers, most
of them Arab or African immigrants. They sweep each of Paris's streets
daily, and heavily trafficked business and tourist streets are swept
twice.

All this work by hand shows Paris's efficiency, obsession with detail
and willingness to spend money to achieve its goals. Each year Paris
spends 10 percent of its budget, or about $2.2 billion, on
cleanliness, which translates to $1,000 for every resident.

"The broom remains irreplaceable," says Alain Le Troquet, technical
director for Paris's department of sanitation and the environment.
"You can't do everything with a machine."

Astute observers will notice a curious thing. The brooms no longer
have crude brown branches, but instead bright green plastic fingers.
Engineers in Paris's sanitation department had long appreciated how
efficiently peasants' twig brooms swept debris along, but they were
frustrated by how much the brooms cost and how often the twigs broke.

So Paris's sanitation department, considered Europe's most innovative,
asked manufacturers to develop a broom that used sturdy plastic
fingers rather than wood. The new plastic brooms cost one-fifth as
much as the wooden ones and last seven times as long.

This is just one way Paris's administrators have demonstrated their
technological ingenuity. The city's water system churns out a
foot-wide stream that runs alongside the city's curbs to wash away
litter. Paris has worked with industry to develop a vehicle to clean
up the animal oil left from all the poultry, rabbit and beef sold at
open-air markets. Voila, the Gyrolave squirts steaming, swirling soapy
water onto the pavement and then sweeps the street.

Another truck shoots compressed water under cars to remove the litter
beneath them, while a second vehicle has long arms with five joints to
pick up leaves. The newest vehicle has an elephantlike trunk that
vacuums up sidewalk litter. The city soon hopes to introduce a
robotic, unmanned version of this contraption.

"You have to give the French credit for being innovative," says van
den Berg, the urban expert in Rotterdam.

Parisians say the city has become much cleaner since 1977 when Jacques
Chirac became their first democratically elected mayor in a century.
Previously Paris had been run by a prefect appointed by the Interior
Minister, but residents often argued that a mayor held accountable in
regular elections would be more attentive to their needs. (The prefect
still runs the police department.)

When Parisians talk about cleanliness, their main complaint is canine
excrement, notwithstanding the city's vaunted new motor scooters that
vacuum up dog droppings. Not wanting to alienate dog owners, who
represent a powerful voting bloc, the city for years refused to fine
owners who did not clean up after their poodles. But with complaints
growing, Philippe Galy, director of the department of sanitation and
the environment, started ordering fines in May: $110 for the first
offense and $230 for the second. "It's absurd," he says. "With all the
serious environmental problems, like global warming, the ozone layer,
Chernobyl and nuclear waste, it's unbelievable that the No. 1 subject
of conversation at every Paris dinner party is dog doo."

PUBLIC HIGH school like Lycee Janson-de-Sailly, built with busts of
Pascal, Hugo and other luminaries along its majestic 200-yard facade,
simply does not exist in an American city. The 109-year-old
institution is in the 16th arrondissement, the Paris equivalent of
Park Avenue, and the bankers, diplomats and high government officials
who live there scurry to send their children to Janson.

Janson has 3,200 students, a lengthy waiting list and a substantial
number of students from Paris's rich western suburbs, who are
attracted by the school's reputation. The school has 250 teachers,
several of them accomplished novelists and historians. Janson's alumni
include former President Giscard d'Estaing, former Prime Minister
Laurent Fabius and the Attali twins -- Jacques, president of the
European Bank for Reconstruction and Development and Bernard, chairman
of Air France.

Its paint may be peeling, its long, primitive desks may be gnarled
from decades of use and abuse, but its student body continues to
excel. About 95 percent of Janson's graduates pass the forbidding,
all-important bacca laureat examination that is the ticket to a
university.

"The school is excellent in many ways," says Francoise Rietsch, who
heads one of Janson's parent associations. "There is a lot of
discipline, self-discipline, among the students."

Sitting behind the old wooden desk in her tidy office, Yvonne Cluzet,
the school's earnest principal, makes clear that her main concern is
academics and not the woes often associated with urban schools.

"Drugs just aren't a problem here," she says. "And we don't have
problems with teen-age pregnancy. Our students are mature." The
biggest problem she could think of was that two years ago bands of
teen-agers from the suburbs stole pocketbooks, wallets and expensive
coats from Janson students as they left school. The police quickly
stopped it.

Janson and other Parisian schools do not suffer from a vicious cycle
in which the middle class pulls its children out of public schools,
tilting the balance toward poorer immigrant children and causing more
middle-class families to send their children elsewhere.

Jean-Marie Demade, manager at a metallurgy company, moved his family
from Rueil-Malmaison, a suburb, back to Paris so his son Julien could
attend Janson. "I returned because of the quality of the education,"
he says. "And life for children is more interesting and lively in
Paris, with the movies, museums, theaters and concerts, than it is in
the suburbs."

Twenty-four percent of Paris's high-school students go to private
schools. Parents choose those schools because they want their children
to receive a religious education or because they have underachieving
children and think that private schools will be stricter. The
overachievers are sent to public schools like Janson, which, good as
it is, doesn't even rank at the top of Paris's public lycees. Most
teachers rate Louis-le-Grand and Henri IV even higher.

"The middle class flocking to private schools just isn't a problem
here," says Michele Gendreau-Massalou, the rector of Paris's school
system. "In terms of passing the baccalaureat, public schools produce
better results than private schools."

Schools are just one of the quality services that keep families in
Paris. The city has begun building moderately priced three-bedroom
apartments because many couples have complained that once they have
two or three children they can no longer afford Parisian rents. The
city issues a "Paris-Famille" card to parents of three or more
children entitling them to $400 in annual discounts on a range of
activities, including transport, school meals and college tuition.

Another magnet for families is the city-run day-care system, which
cares for 20,000 children a day, attracting rich and poor alike. The
day-care center at 54 rue St.-Maur is typical of the 250 city-run
centers except for its bold architectu it has a spiraling concrete
facade that resembles the Guggenheim Museum. Its front is windowless
to keep out street noise and pollution, while its back is filled with
sun-drenched floor-to-ceiling windows.

The center on the rue St.-Maur has a staff of 25 to watch over 87
children, aged 3 months to 3 years. Each of its three floors has a
glass-enclosed nap area, and the staff has painted pink and blue
rabbits and stars on the see-through walls. Each week, one of the
center's aides stages a marionette show; the city offers special
courses to teach day-care workers how to do such shows.

"I can afford my own au pair, but I much prefer the day-care center,"
says Patricia Fayet, a radiologist, as she watches her 1-year-old son,
Yann, play in a bright blue plastic tub filled with hundreds of
striped balls. "At the day-care center, the children get professional
care and learn how to live with others."

Each center has a director who lives on the site and is trained as a
licensed nurse and specialist in early child development. All the
day-care workers must have spent a year in college studying care of
children under age 3. A doctor visits each center once a week.

At the center on the rue St.-Maur, parents can leave their children
from 7:30 A.M. to 6:30 P.M., but France Galas, the director, chides
parents who leave a child for more than eight hours. Payments are on a
sliding scale, ranging from $30 to $400 a month per child, with the
city picking up half the cost of running the centers.

The centers are so successful that there is a waiting list of
thousands of children, and the city is struggling to keep up by
building one new day-care center a month.

"A few years ago mothers thought it was bad to put their children in a
public day-care center because they felt guilty they weren't doing
enough for their kids," says Elisabeth Allaire, director of social
services, children and health for Paris. "Now mothers have heard so
many good things about our day-care centers that they think they are
bad mothers if they don't send their kids to our centers."

IN MANY WAYS, Paris is a tale of two cities. There is the Paris of the
travel guides: the city of three-star restaurants and Yves Saint
Laurent boutiques, the city of the 2.2 million privileged souls who
live within the 22-mile ring road, the Boulevard Peripherique.

Then there is the other Paris, the outer ring where the working
classes live, often in anonymous 1960's tower blocks. These are the
suburbs where gangs of immigrant teen-agers clash with the police,
where the sons of Algerian and Moroccan workers have a 25 percent
jobless rate and where the native French tilt heavily toward
Jean-Marie Le Pen, the far-right, anti-immigrant leader. These suburbs
include Sartrouville, Montfermeil, Mantes-la-Jolie and Gennevilliers.

"One important reason why Paris is successful is that it's a
fantastically elitist city," says Christopher Brooks, an economist
specializing in urban issues at the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development in Paris. "While a lot of people would
like to live there, lots of people can't afford to. The social
composition is skewed as a result. The poor are forced to live in the
outskirts."

The Quartier du Luth in Gennevilliers is neither the worst nor the
best of the banlieue. It is a United Nations of immigrants from
Algeria, the Antilles, the Ivory Coast, Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey,
Zaire and a dozen other countries. About 40 percent of its 10,000
residents are immigrants, and fewer than half the children finish high
school. Teachers complain that they find syringes near the school
gates.

"This isn't the greatest neighborhood," says Ahmet Ersoy, a
30-year-old unemployed refugee from Turkey. "We'd like to move on to
another neighborhood eventually." Ersoy lives in a nondescript,
14-story, 500-yard-long block that could have won a Stalinist design
contest. Its graffiti-splattered walls say "Momo" and "Chaka Chaoui."
Social agencies steer immigrants to districts like the Luth, four
miles northwest of Paris, because they have the cheapest housing in
the region. A modest two-bedroom apartment is $350, about one-seventh
the cost in central Paris.

In the Luth, France's activist Government works hard to improve living
conditions. There are playgrounds with bright red swings and slides,
and an office has been set up where four social workers counsel the
Luth's residents.

The district has been designated a "Priority Education Zone." This
means its schools receive extra money and teachers to help integrate
immigrant children and provide special help to the laggards. At Guy
Moquet Middle School, Claude Naveau, the principal, is proud that his
school, filled with Botticelli and Manet posters, has a computer room
and its own radio station.

"We have a lot of children who don't have a good family environment,
who don't have someone asking them, 'Are you doing your homework?' "
says Naveau, whose heavy glasses and thick beard make him look like an
archetypal intellectual. "Children love our school because it's an
oasis from the chaos outside."

To be sure, Paris proper also has its less chic neighborhoods, most
notably the 18th, 19th and 20th arrondissements in the north and east.
These have a large North African population, much of it second
generation, many of whom work in small businesses, especially
textiles.

The epicenter of Arab Paris is Barbes-Rochechouart, the intersection
of two bustling avenues, which seems a cross between a Moroccan souk
and Manhattan's 14th Street. Elevated trains rumble by as people
squeeze past a 200-yard line of sidewalk stalls. Nearby, young toughs
wait until sundown to begin their purse snatchings.

"A lot of young kids come up from the Maghreb, can't find jobs and
start creating trouble," says Youssef Karoui, who runs the Eslem
restaurant.

The problem in these neighborhoods, residents say, is not violent
crime, but purse-snatchings, burglaries and car thefts. Fortunately
for Paris, crack has not made inroads and drug addiction is far less
prevalent than in American cities.

THE ENTRANCE TO THE concrete, 1960's building on the Boulevard
Bourdon, 250 yards south of the Bastille, could not be more
nondescript. There isn't even a nameplate. But deep inside, behind the
security guards, is a cavernous room filled with display panels and
flashing lights that looks like the Pentagon's war room.

Welcome to the central command post for Paris's subway system, an
intricate web with 434 stations, 686 escalators and 1.6 billion riders
a year.

At rush hour, 560 trains snake through the city, and on the command
center's 13 display panels, each as long as a baseball scoreboard,
orange lights show the location and progress of every single train. If
there is a subway fire or someone jumps in front of a train -- there
are about 150 such suicides each year -- a subway line manager leaps
up from his console and runs to his display panel to switch off power
for his line.

"We have already extended this display panel to include some new
stations that we still haven't opened," says Jean-Pierre Renard, a
longtime manager at the command center. The panel shows two stations
to be added when line No. 1 is extended under the Seine to La Defense,
the ultramodern office district west of Paris.

Probably better than anything else, the Metro demonstrates Paris's
devotion to constant improvement: to improve through planning, bold
engineering and a willingness to spend money. The Metro recently added
a conductorless train that connects Orly Airport with the main subway
line. The express suburban rail system, known as the R.E.R., has been
extended east to Euro-Disneyland, which opened in April. There are
plans for a six-mile-long tramway that will connect blue-collar
suburbs north of Paris and for an express subway connecting the
southernmost part of Paris to the St.-Lazare train station on the
right bank.

The budget for these and other transit projects -- which are selected
by a regional transportation board -- will total $3 billion over the
next five years. The financing comes from ticket revenues and from the
city, regional and national governments.

Thanks to a solid flow of funds, the subway cars undergo maintenance
once a week, and as a result mechanical failures are responsible for
less than a third of line shutdowns. Usually the problem is human
failures, like fights between passengers or pranksters pulling the
emergency cord.

"If our trains ran without passengers, we'd hardly have any problems,"
jokes Renard, a short, dapper man in a blue bow tie and
charcoal-striped suit.

Like many Parisian civil servants, Renard exudes an extreme pride in
his work and his city. He boasts about a new varnish that helps keep
the Metro graffiti-free. He brags about the system's safety record,
saying he cannot remember the last time there was a fatal accident.

"I'm a modest man, so don't expect me to say that our Metro is the
best in the world," he says, with a twinkle in his eye. "Let's just
say it's one of the best.

"We plan to keep it that way."

GRAPHIC: Photos: Along the Seine, near Notre Dame, a new broom (its
bristles are plastic) sweeps clean, while a couple celebrates love the
old-fashioned way. (pg. 15); The city is ingenious about cleaning up
after itself. Here, near the I. M. Pei glass pyramid at the Louvre, a
modified motor scooter scoops up after a dog's visit. (pg. 14);
Washing down the Place de la Concorde. (pg. 16); Its vacuuming of
Montmartre completed, this elephantine street cleaner heads for the
garage. As the Metro goes, so goes Paris -- efficiently. And often
artfully. At the Louvre-Rivoli station, a street musician serenades
Nakhthorheb. (pg. 17)(Photographs by Michel Setboun/J. B. Pictures for
The New York Times)

LOAD-DATE: July 19, 1992

Wow, NYT, and its some anecdotal comments
'about having a few gardens and garbage pickups
scheduled seven days a week.

here are some other points of view:

http://www.varsity.co.nz/travel/articles.asp?id=3657

http://www.lifeadventures.com/paris.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6z2ms

Clyde Slick wrote:
"Lionel" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
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From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.


Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true,

so

I'd


say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the

typical

Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or

that

his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.




Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...


and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.



Welcome to the Fundamental Islamist State of France.

Not so fundamental since we are not living behind a wall...


by 2050, you will ahve adopted Sharia

By 2050 you will be died.

by 2050, you will ahve adopted Sharia

By 2050 you will be died.

What colour?

Paul Packer wrote:


by 2050, you will ahve adopted Sharia

By 2050 you will be died.

What colour?








In Lionel's case, a putrid shade of Hamas Yellow.



Bruce J. Richman

paul packer wrote:
by 2050, you will ahve adopted Sharia

By 2050 you will be died.


What colour?

Brown, like the earth I guess.

"Lionel" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Lionel" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:


"Lionel" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message
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From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 8:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
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From: "Michael McKelvy"
Date: 9/20/2004 1:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

. net

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Those who think he's a sockpuppet say amen.

Those who think he probably represents the typical mindset of
the
typical
Frenchman say ahem.


Why do you want to stereotype the French? Is it any worse than
anti-semitism?

I didn't, I asked if you thought it was typical.


No such thing as a typical Frenchman without a stereotype.

I usually think of stereotype as having a negative connotation, a
generalization on the other hand is something that tends to be true,

so

I'd


say I was asking for a generalization, or your impressions of the

typical

Frenchman, based on your experience. Lionel's got enough negativity
floating around him, I would hope he's not any kind of stereotype or

that

his attitudes generally reflect those of the average Frenchman.




Note, in a generation or two, the average Frenchman will be Muslim

I repeat, I haven't any problems with Muslims in general and I hate
extremist racist and xenophobic Jewishs like you...


and probably not an ethnic Gaul.

That's not really a problem the color of the blood will remain red.
If you wasn't so lazy and ignorant you would know that it already
happened many times in the past.



Welcome to the Fundamental Islamist State of France.

Not so fundamental since we are not living behind a wall...


by 2050, you will ahve adopted Sharia

By 2050 you will be died.

your children and grandchildren will live under Sharia

"Lionel" wrote in message
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paul packer wrote:
by 2050, you will ahve adopted Sharia

By 2050 you will be died.


What colour?

Brown, like the earth I guess.

Probably gray, like ash

"Two Librans" wrote in message
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

Everybody who thinks Lionel is anti-Semitic say aye.

Yes I agree, Saddam Bush should be assassinated.


Your post has brnn forwarded to the Secret Service, bye.

If you're being serious - they're probably having a good chuckle at
your expense.

Right, trim

"Right", by which you mean Right Wing, and "brnn".. is that code? Have
you just implicated yourself in the secretive (internally only - no
member is aware of their own involvement) sect.. known as The Mongz???

I have forwarded to DFS, LFO, McDonalds, and Mr Whippy...

you make as little sense as Lionel. Are all French like this?

"Two Librans" wrote in message
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"Clyde Slick" wrote:

Does the thought of informing on people appeal to you?

Depends on the nature of the crime and the asshole involved.

Well.. you're an asshole, to an almost criminal extent. When are you
going to dob yourself in?


A little dod'll do ya.

What is that supposed to mean?


it was supposed to be 'alittle dob'll do ya'
a play on 'a little dab'll do ya'.

I'm sure that clears it up for you.