[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output
level from the mic.

Utter nonsense.

Mic acoustic sensitivity ranges over about a 30 dB range. A 30 dB larger
signal is going to be about 30 dB less affected by a given level of noise
pickup.

Irrelevant to to Dave's statement.

Graham

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:16:31 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:



Arny Krueger wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output
level from the mic.

Utter nonsense.

Mic acoustic sensitivity ranges over about a 30 dB range. A 30 dB larger
signal is going to be about 30 dB less affected by a given level of noise
pickup.

Irrelevant to to Dave's statement.

Graham

You missed the relevance of the word "effectively".

d

--
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http://www.pearce.uk.com

[George M. Middius]

Don Pearce said:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output level

Irrelevant to to Dave's statement.

You missed the relevance of the word "effectively".

Since "effectively" is meaningless or misused in that sentence, the
sensible course would be to ignore it.




--

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[Eeyore]

Don Pearce wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output
level from the mic.

Utter nonsense.

Mic acoustic sensitivity ranges over about a 30 dB range. A 30 dB larger
signal is going to be about 30 dB less affected by a given level of noise
pickup.

Irrelevant to to Dave's statement.


You missed the relevance of the word "effectively".

No.

The statement is still wrong. The signal level does not ever affect the level of
pickup. It affects the signal to noise RATIO and nothing else.

Graham

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Don Pearce said:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output level

Irrelevant to to Dave's statement.

You missed the relevance of the word "effectively".

Since "effectively" is meaningless or misused in that sentence, the
sensible course would be to ignore it.

Correct. The word is simply window dressing in that sentence.

The actual statement being made is " Pickup on cables is influenced by the
output level " which is 100% wrong.

Graham

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:49:57 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output
level from the mic.

Utter nonsense.

Mic acoustic sensitivity ranges over about a 30 dB range. A 30 dB larger
signal is going to be about 30 dB less affected by a given level of noise
pickup.

Irrelevant to to Dave's statement.


You missed the relevance of the word "effectively".

No.

The statement is still wrong. The signal level does not ever affect the level of
pickup. It affects the signal to noise RATIO and nothing else.

Graham

That's right. Two things are important here - one is the presence of
the word "effectively", and the other is the absence of the word
"level". Put those two factors together, and you have a good
statement, to the effect that pickup is less of a problem on cables
carrying large signals.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[George M. Middius]

Donkey said:

Since "effectively" is meaningless or misused in that sentence, the
sensible course would be to ignore it.

Correct. The word is simply window dressing in that sentence.

Poopie, please don't agree with me.

BTW, are you a fan of Eddie Murphy?




--

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[Laurence Payne]

On Fri, 18 May 2007 09:49:00 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output level from the
mic.

Utter nonsense.
Why not look for the truth in that statement, instead of being rude?
There is some.

What is the practical effect on s/n ratio if the signal is weak, so
more amplification is required at the receiving end?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:16:31 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:



Arny Krueger wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output
level from the mic.

Utter nonsense.

Mic acoustic sensitivity ranges over about a 30 dB range. A 30 dB
larger signal is going to be about 30 dB less affected by a given
level of noise pickup.

Irrelevant to to Dave's statement.

Graham

You missed the relevance of the word "effectively".

Precisely. Sorry if it wasn't clear what I meant to some.

--
*I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in
message
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output
level from the mic.

Utter nonsense.

Mic acoustic sensitivity ranges over about a 30 dB range. A 30 dB larger
signal is going to be about 30 dB less affected by a given level of noise
pickup.

In practice, the range is usually less, because less sensitive mics
tend to be used where the sound is louder. IOW, people tend to use
Shure SM58 (one of the lesser-sensitive mics) for close-micing loud
vocals or instruments, and not for far more distant XY pickup of a
group.

These days there is at least a standard output level to refer to. Once
there was none and outputs varied enormously. Probably the least sensitive
mic I know is the STC lip ribbon - used by commentators in a noisy
environment. It's an ancient design but still effective in limited
applications. You'd probably set your mic gain at about 60-70 dB to get
full output from a loud commentator. Replace that mic by a Neumann U77 at
the same distance from the mouth and you'd need to reduce that gain by
about 70 dB...

--
*Half the people in the world are below average.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Donkey said:

Since "effectively" is meaningless or misused in that sentence, the
sensible course would be to ignore it.

Correct. The word is simply window dressing in that sentence.

Poopie, please don't agree with me.

BTW, are you a fan of Eddie Murphy?

Is that a trick question ? He's been in some entertaining films for sure.

Graham

[Eeyore]

Laurence Payne wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Pickup on cables is effectively influenced by the output level from the
mic.

Utter nonsense.
Why not look for the truth in that statement, instead of being rude?
There is some.

Not really. Removing the fluff you get "pickup is influenced by output level"

Graham

[Eeyore]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

These days there is at least a standard output level to refer to.

From microphones ? What standard is that ?

Graham

[George M. Middius]

Poopie gets cagey.

BTW, are you a fan of Eddie Murphy?

Is that a trick question ? He's been in some entertaining films for sure.

Let me rephrase: Who's your favorite ogre?




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Poopie gets cagey.

BTW, are you a fan of Eddie Murphy?

Is that a trick question ? He's been in some entertaining films for sure.

Let me rephrase: Who's your favorite ogre?

Shrek of course ! LOL ! And Princess Fiona is my favourite animated redhead too.
I seem to recall a very shrewd and intelligent Donkey as well.


Graham

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
These days there is at least a standard output level to refer to.

From microphones ? What standard is that ?

DIN something or other. I've got the details somewhere but can't be arsed
looking now.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Trevor Wilson]

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

What amazes me is how ppl manage to raise ~ $850,000 equivalent to buy
a
house like that at such a relatively youngish age !

**Drug dealer. Or a lawyer.

Well... there's 12 of them in my road then.

**Drug dealers?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au




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[Eeyore]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote

What amazes me is how ppl manage to raise ~ $850,000 equivalent to buy
a house like that at such a relatively youngish age !

**Drug dealer. Or a lawyer.

Well... there's 12 of them in my road then.

**Drug dealers?

Ppl with houses like that ! :~)

Graham

[Trevor Wilson]

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote

What amazes me is how ppl manage to raise ~ $850,000 equivalent to
buy
a house like that at such a relatively youngish age !

**Drug dealer. Or a lawyer.

Well... there's 12 of them in my road then.

**Drug dealers?

Ppl with houses like that ! :~)

**Sure.


--
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www.rageaudio.com.au




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[jasee]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea for
balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy it (in
small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea for
balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy it (in
small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

Stephen

[Don Pearce]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:30:29 -0500, MiNe 109
wrote:

In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea for
balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy it (in
small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

Stephen

Better still, search radiospares http://rswww.com for starquad. They
have 7 types listed.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
jasee wrote:
All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea
for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy
it (in small amounts)? Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Can't be bothered searching Maplin's dreadful site, but the last cat. of
theirs I have has lots in different colours. Try VU29

--
*I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[jasee]

MiNe 109 wrote:
In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place
to buy it (in small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

no results found :-(

If you search cables for "star quad" you get a few results but nothing with
"star quad" or even "starquad" for that matter in it and so suitable cable
(using FF)

[Laurence Payne]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:30:29 -0500, MiNe 109
wrote:

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea for
balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy it (in
small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

I can't see it there either. I think Maplins USED to stock it.
Got a reference?

I'm sure Canford will supply. Do you actually HAVE a noise problem
with conventional mic leads? And good soldering skills? Making up a
lead with starquad is trickier than with conventional cable.

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

MiNe 109 wrote:
In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place
to buy it (in small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

no results found :-(

If you search cables for "star quad" you get a few results but nothing with
"star quad" or even "starquad" for that matter in it and so suitable cable
(using FF)

I googled "maplin starquad" and found this:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/free_uk_deli...nal_Microphone
_Cable_13262/Starquad_Professional_Microphone_Cable_13262.htm

Good luck!

Stephen

[Laurence Payne]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:14:04 -0500, MiNe 109
wrote:

In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

MiNe 109 wrote:
In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place
to buy it (in small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

no results found :-(

If you search cables for "star quad" you get a few results but nothing with
"star quad" or even "starquad" for that matter in it and so suitable cable
(using FF)

I googled "maplin starquad" and found this:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/free_uk_deli...able_13262.htm

Ah! A Google-expert! :-)

So, follow through. Click "View this product..." at the top of the
page and see what you get?

[Eeyore]

jasee wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea for
balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy it (in
small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

No surprise, it's a professional type cable.

What do you mean by small amounts ? If Farnell's too pricey try VDC.

http://www.vdctrading.com/products.a...=1&ProductID=6

Graham

[Eeyore]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

jasee wrote:

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea
for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy
it (in small amounts)? Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Can't be bothered searching Maplin's dreadful site, but the last cat. of
theirs I have has lots in different colours. Try VU29

Sorry, the product you are searching for is no longer available (discontinued).

Graham

[Eeyore]

MiNe 109 wrote:

"jasee" wrote:
MiNe 109 wrote:
"jasee" wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place
to buy it (in small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

no results found :-(

If you search cables for "star quad" you get a few results but nothing with
"star quad" or even "starquad" for that matter in it and so suitable cable
(using FF)

I googled "maplin starquad" and found this:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/free_uk_deli...nal_Microphone
_Cable_13262/Starquad_Professional_Microphone_Cable_13262.htm

LOL !

Just goes to show how useless their own site is.

Graham

[Eeyore]

jasee wrote:

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good idea for
balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place to buy it (in
small amounts)?

You don't use it in small amounts ! That's the whole point !

Graham

[Laurence Payne]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 14:40:32 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:

I googled "maplin starquad" and found this:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/free_uk_deli...nal_Microphone
_Cable_13262/Starquad_Professional_Microphone_Cable_13262.htm

LOL !

Just goes to show how useless their own site is.

The site is fine. Search "star quad" and nothing comes up. This is
correct - Maplins don't stock it.

You can't blame Maplins for what comes up if you sneak in backwards
through an old Google link.

[tony sayer]

In article , jasee
writes
MiNe 109 wrote:
In article ,
"jasee" wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The above pre-supposes that the 'interference' *would* have been
audible if star-quad had not been used.

You only use star-quad in high interference level situations.

All my mic cables are star quad. It's not that much more expensive
than good ordinary stuff so why take a risk?

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place
to buy it (in small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

no results found :-(

If you search cables for "star quad" you get a few results but nothing with
"star quad" or even "starquad" for that matter in it and so suitable cable
(using FF)



http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/pr...oductid=30-430
--
Tony Sayer

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place
to buy it (in small amounts)? Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin
none.

No surprise, it's a professional type cable.

Maplin have a reasonable selection of 'pro' cables including snakes. Or at
least did. And are one of the few that will cut it.

--
*The more I learn about women, the more I love my car

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good place
to buy it (in small amounts)?

You don't use it in small amounts ! That's the whole point !

I use it for a fishpole to radio transmitter cable. Or more accurately mic
to phantom box. So one for a short pole is only 4 metres long. But it can
still help if you're close to an interference emitting light etc.

--
*The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Search Maplin for "starquad".

Stephen

Better still, search radiospares http://rswww.com for starquad. They
have 7 types listed.

But do they sell by the meter? Jasee seems to want only a small amount.

--
*Keep honking...I'm reloading.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Don Pearce]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 18:38:15 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Search Maplin for "starquad".

Stephen

Better still, search radiospares http://rswww.com for starquad. They
have 7 types listed.

But do they sell by the meter? Jasee seems to want only a small amount.

What you do with mic cable is buy a reel and put a connector on each
end. When you just want a small amount, you don't unwind it. When you
want a lot, you unwind it. Easy.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
But do they sell by the meter? Jasee seems to want only a small amount.

What you do with mic cable is buy a reel and put a connector on each
end. When you just want a small amount, you don't unwind it. When you
want a lot, you unwind it. Easy.

You've not been involved much with mic cables, have you? ;-)

--
*Just give me chocolate and nobody gets hurt

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Don Pearce]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:19:47 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
But do they sell by the meter? Jasee seems to want only a small amount.

What you do with mic cable is buy a reel and put a connector on each
end. When you just want a small amount, you don't unwind it. When you
want a lot, you unwind it. Easy.

You've not been involved much with mic cables, have you? ;-)

More than I care to say. Actually I would modify what I wrote. I
divide the reel into two, and make a stereo pair wound on the reel. I
unwind that as needed. I leave a few feet hanging out of the middle so
I can plug into the mixer easily.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[jasee]

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:30:29 -0500, MiNe 109
wrote:

I've never heard of star quad until now, it looks like a very good
idea for balanced micrphone leads in particulr, where's a good
place to buy it (in small amounts)?
Farnell list a couple of types, Maplin none.

Search Maplin for "starquad".

I can't see it there either. I think Maplins USED to stock it.
Got a reference?

I'm sure Canford will supply. Do you actually HAVE a noise problem
with conventional mic leads?

No, but as Dave says (I think) it doesn't hurt to be prepared if it's little
more expensive.

And good soldering skills? Making up a
lead with starquad is trickier than with conventional cable.

It can't be worse than making up din leads!, xlr connectors are much more
tolererant