(chexxon) wrote in message . com...
OK, so when did everyone lose interest in music and go ga-ga over
movies? Enquiring minds want to know . Pardon my ignorance, but
you see, I pulled a bit of a hi-fi Rip Van Winkle. After buying my
current stereo system in the early 90's, I took 10 years off from
being an audio buff, and only recently got back into it. And I
quickly found out that most "audio" stores have been transformed into
video ones ! Half the floor space is now taken up by large-screen
TV's, the DVD players have largely displaced the CD players, and
speakers are now 6-piece units rather than pairs. What the heck is
going on here !?

I can't say this development totally surprises me since music has gone
down the toilet in recent years; but then again, so have movies .
I'm not bitter or anything, just a bit fascinated by it. I always
knew that HT would be big, but I didn't think that it would grow to
the point of shallowing up audio! Oh well, at least now we won't have
to put up with those crappy little TV speakers anymore. Even the
cheapest Bose surround system kicks the ass of those .


* Chexxon

PS: It will be interesting to see what effect the home theater
revolution has on car radios .

I have a question,

When did the automobile take over from the horse and cart?

"Zakhann" wrote in message
om...
(chexxon) wrote in message
. com...

I have a question,

When did the automobile take over from the horse and cart?

When people tired of plodding around in horse ****.

ScottW

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

Kalman Rubinson said:

Old is good.

Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Sure but only if those are your only options.

It was an exemplar, not an exhaustive study.

But I want to hear Obie's answer.

Wasn't he an old Volvo guy? Sorta splits the difference between the two
categories.

Stephen

MINe 109 said:

Old is good.

Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Sure but only if those are your only options.

It was an exemplar, not an exhaustive study.

But I want to hear Obie's answer.

Wasn't he an old Volvo guy? Sorta splits the difference between the two
categories.

Now he's a shiny-new-Corolla guy.

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

MINe 109 said:

Old is good.

Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Sure but only if those are your only options.

It was an exemplar, not an exhaustive study.

But I want to hear Obie's answer.

Wasn't he an old Volvo guy? Sorta splits the difference between the two
categories.

Now he's a shiny-new-Corolla guy.


Like a rental every day...

Stephen

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:28:16 +0100, Sander deWaal
wrote:

George M. Middius said:

Old is good.

Except for cars, right?

Nope. The older, the better.
New cars stink, they don't have sex-appeal, they all look alike and
they're all too damned rational-built and reliable.

I should have been born 50 years earlier: the introduction of the
Citroen DS 1955, the rise of stereo 1958, birth of the cool about '60,
rock 'n' roll............those were the days!

Hey, if you hanker after that kind of unreliability - buy a TVR!

You also won't be troubled by nonsense like traction control or even
anti-lock brakes. 'Bye, been nice knowing you.......................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:01:13 -0500, George M. Middius
wrote:

Sander deWaal said:

Except for cars, right?

Nope. The older, the better.
New cars stink, they don't have sex-appeal, they all look alike and
they're all too damned rational-built and reliable.

Guns are a lot better though, right?

True, the very best custom sporting rifles (at $25,000 a pop) by
Asprey use reconditioned 1920s Mauser actions that they bought
government surplus from Argentina. How scary is that?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

MINe 109 said:

Old is good.

Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Sure but only if those are your only options.

It was an exemplar, not an exhaustive study.

But I want to hear Obie's answer.

Wasn't he an old Volvo guy? Sorta splits the difference between the two
categories.

Now he's a shiny-new-Corolla guy.


Like a rental every day...

Frugality is the highest virtue in the Hive. You want luxury? You want
class? Don't look to Obie.

Stewart Pinkerton said:

Except for cars, right?

Nope. The older, the better.
New cars stink, they don't have sex-appeal, they all look alike and
they're all too damned rational-built and reliable.

Guns are a lot better though, right?

True, the very best custom sporting rifles (at $25,000 a pop) by
Asprey use reconditioned 1920s Mauser actions that they bought
government surplus from Argentina. How scary is that?

The Krooger contract is still open, if you're interested.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:55:33 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:


Wasn't he an old Volvo guy? Sorta splits the difference between the two
categories.

Now he's a shiny-new-Corolla guy.


Like a rental every day...

Stephen

I should bill you for cleaning the soda off of my keyboard!

Scott Gardner

Scott Gardner said:

I should


Draw near, ye of concreted skulls. Lay forth your attentiveness to my
narration of the **** of RAO Past. Or in contemporary slang: duh!


Exhibit 1:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

It's not worth it , Mr. Krueger.

Thanks for admitting that you critique what you haven't investigated,
Mr. Samangitak

Any indication of other tests that don't coincide with yours, you
will claim the tests were suspect.

False claim.

You've been there and done that?

Thanks for admitting that you haven't, Mr. Samangitak

So has the audio testing bus that came to me in 3rd grade and junior high.

Thanks for admitting that your ears haven't been tested since junior
high. How many years ago was that?

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Exhibit 2:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

The original point was that Oakland College is a second-tier regional college.

Thanks for admitting that you have lost total track of the topic of
the discussion, Mr. Phillips. I've never had any kind of association
with Oakland College. I don't even know if such a place exists in any
place but your jumbled mind.

Compared with MIT, Cal Tech, and C-M, Oakland
College is indeed second-tier, and it does not have a reputation for sending
its engineering graduates to top companies.

But Mr. Phillips, thanks for admitting that you lied to this "real
engineer" by making up this false story that I think that OU is
"first tier".

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Exhibit 3:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Thanks for pointing out that you haven't been paying attention.

It's not a matter of paying attention Weil, its a matter of not
caring. Frankly, I don't read every post on this newsgroup. But thanks
for admitting that you do. My problem is that I have a life --- you
obviously don't.

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Exhibit 4:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

What's the difference between opining and reporting, Mr. Krueger?

Thanks for admitting that you can't tell the difference. I'll bear
that in mind the next time you report anything?

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Exhibit 5:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

You'd know this Richman if you posted there more than once a week!

Irrelevant.

Thanks for admitting my claim about your light participation in RAHE
is true.

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Exhibit 6:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

I haven't "gagged" at the thought of trying Spectralab, Mr. Krueger.
I was recommending inexpensive FFT-based analysis tools to Carl Valle.

To[sic] bad your recommendation wouldn't work as you made it. Also,
thanks for admitting it.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Exhibit 7:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

I know that any English above the 3rd grade level is difficult for
you. Maybe you can get one of your kids to explain it to you.

Weil, thanks for admitting by means of insult, that not even you
can't make sense of what you wrote.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Exhibit 8:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

It certainly appears that way from a posting of his today as a
follow up. In any event, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Mr. Lyle, thanks for admitting that losing sleep over your own
demonstrated incompetence is not what you do. That's one reason why
you remain incompetent...

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Exhibit 9:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

No, Krüger, it doesn't work like that. Your claim, your proof. Provide an
example of your "evidence" or your claim falls - as it has done over and
over again previously.

Thanks for admitting that for you Mr. Bamborough, "evidence" is a
moving target.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Exhibit 10:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

As for the question about CU's use of science to evaluate audio
equipment, I don't know since I didn't read Consumer Reports' audio
equipment reviews. But if its past auto reviews are any indication,
I don't think I will be impressed with their audio equipment reviews.

[...]
However, thanks for admitting that in fact you have zero experience
with CU audio equipment reports to base your comments on.


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Exhibit 11:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Well, you are a lot more and a lot worse than threatening.

Thanks for admitting that I've taken quite a few figurative licks on
you, sockpuppet Yustabe.


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Exhibit 12:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Yet you're still sitting at
the breakfast table in your underwear, eating cereal, and playing on the
computer. Nice visual, loser. LOL!

Hey Mr. Phillips, it's a living. Thanks for admitting how endlessly
rigid, narrow, bigoted and prejudiced you are. I'm sure that you've
impressed the heck out of everybody else here, especially those who
make their living by working with computers.

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Exhibit 13:

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

It just keeps getting worse and worse for you, Arny. I haven't the
slightest idea why you don't just ignore me completely. I guess you
like getting ****ed up the ass figuratively.

Thanks for admitting that you are obsessed with sodomy, Phillips. Do
you do this with your spouse, or just people you pick up?

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In case you still don't get the point, Google found "about 106" posts
in which Krooger thanks people for "admitting" things they never said.

Do I have to quote a bunch of posts in which Krooger says "Can I quote
you...." ?

George M. Middius wrote:


Joseph Oberlander said:


Old is good.


Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Um. Give me something with no electronics or smog or plastic
bumpers. My dream car? Volvo 303.

Okay, it's a military troop transport and the baddest mama-jama
off-road. Makes a Hummer look like a Tonka toy. Second would
be a Unimog.

Oh - *passenger* vehicles? Probably a BMW 3.0CSI or Porsche 930.

George M. Middius wrote:


Sander deWaal said:


Except for cars, right?

Nope. The older, the better.
New cars stink, they don't have sex-appeal, they all look alike and
they're all too damned rational-built and reliable.


Guns are a lot better though, right?

Nope. Take the "new" WSM rounds. The point is??? Seriously.

Ackley already made a perfect smallbore round with Winchester
brass - 50 years ago. The .22/30-30. A 30-30 case necked down
to .22 cal. 4100fps. Not rocket science, either. Take a
..30-30 cas and fire-form it. Load and presto - no need for
a WSM.

Then there's the venerable 6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser. It is to
this day one of the very best rounds out there. Why our
military doesn't just chamber this instead of the underpowered
5.56mm NATO or the overpowered .308 I don't know. Probably
because it someone else thought it up a hundred years ago and
the new twinks have act like they actually DO something for
their paycheck.

George M. Middius wrote:


MINe 109 said:


Old is good.

Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Sure but only if those are your only options.

It was an exemplar, not an exhaustive study.

But I want to hear Obie's answer.

Wasn't he an old Volvo guy? Sorta splits the difference between the two
categories.


Now he's a shiny-new-Corolla guy.

*shudder*

No, I'm actually looking for a econobox to get around. As in
a VW Bug or simmilar. No smog. No comptuers. No sensors to
freeking die and crap out the entire engine like my old car.

Never again. My future cars will be nuclear bomb(EMP) proof
and always start. I've had it with computers.

George M. Middius wrote:


Frugality is the highest virtue in the Hive. You want luxury? You want
class? Don't look to Obie.

Let's see - used mint condition 1975 3.0CSI lists on manheim gold
for $14,500 in showroom/car show condition.

That's my idea of being frugal. Let's see - Corolla or CSI?
Gosh - what a rought choice.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:44:50 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:


Frugality is the highest virtue in the Hive. You want luxury? You want
class? Don't look to Obie.

Let's see - used mint condition 1975 3.0CSI lists on manheim gold
for $14,500 in showroom/car show condition.

That's my idea of being frugal. Let's see - Corolla or CSI?
Gosh - what a rough choice.

I agree. For just about any price point, there's an older used car
out there that I'd rather have than a new car, if for no other reason
than that the idea of eating that first-year depreciation really turns
me off.

Before I got my Charger, I had been looking at the old Mercedes-Benz
6.3-liter 300 SEL. A fully-documented, showroom-condition example
sold on eBay for about $19,000.

The only vehicle I've ever bought brand-new was a 2000 Ducati Monster
motorcycle, because that was the first year for the fuel-injected
engine, and that was a feature I really wanted.

Scott Gardner

Sander deWaal a écrit :
George M. Middius said:


Old is good.


Except for cars, right?


Nope. The older, the better.
New cars stink, they don't have sex-appeal, they all look alike and
they're all too damned rational-built and reliable.

I should have been born 50 years earlier: the introduction of the
Citroen DS 1955, the rise of stereo 1958, birth of the cool about '60,
rock 'n' roll............those were the days!


"...
Objets Inanimés, avez-vous donc une me
Qui s'attache à notre me et la force d'aimer ?
...."
Lamartine

Citroën DS, Cool jazz & stereo... :-)
Nice efforts Sander, thank for your attempt to teach life pleasures to
Mr. Middius, but I'm afraid the above are to far from his prefered
DisneyLand.
George Middius is the RAO's Bambi :
http://www.xs4all.nl/~insert2/bambi/

Scott Gardner wrote:

The only vehicle I've ever bought brand-new was a 2000 Ducati Monster
motorcycle, because that was the first year for the fuel-injected
engine, and that was a feature I really wanted.

(sound of drooling)

Okay - I have a weak spot for screaming edge tech-filled sportbikes.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:15:54 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

Scott Gardner wrote:

The only vehicle I've ever bought brand-new was a 2000 Ducati Monster
motorcycle, because that was the first year for the fuel-injected
engine, and that was a feature I really wanted.

(sound of drooling)

Okay - I have a weak spot for screaming edge tech-filled sportbikes.


Lol- the Ducatis are a lot of things, but "screaming edge tech-filled
sportbikes" they ain't. Half of their models are air-cooled, and
they're all 90-degree twins, in a time when most sportbikes have gone
the inline-four route. And it's only been in the last four years or
so that a significant number of their models have been fuel-injected.
But I loved mine like you wouldn't believe. The sound of an
air-cooled 90-degree twin exhausting through Termignoni carbon-fiber
mufflers still gives me goosebumps.

Unfortunately, I totalled the bike in a rather serious accident in
August. As soon as I'm able to ride again, I'm buying another one
just like it. Same year, same model. It's the only vehicle I've ever
owned that I want to replace with the exact same thing - that's how
much I liked it.

Scott Gardner

Joseph Oberlander said:

Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Um. Give me something with no electronics or smog or plastic
bumpers. My dream car? Volvo 303.

Okay, it's a military troop transport and the baddest mama-jama
off-road. Makes a Hummer look like a Tonka toy. Second would
be a Unimog.

Oh - *passenger* vehicles? Probably a BMW 3.0CSI or Porsche 930.

Explain the Corolla, then.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:21:50 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:

Sander deWaal said:

Except for cars, right?

Nope. The older, the better.
New cars stink, they don't have sex-appeal, they all look alike and
they're all too damned rational-built and reliable.

Guns are a lot better though, right?

Nope. Take the "new" WSM rounds. The point is??? Seriously.

Ackley already made a perfect smallbore round with Winchester
brass - 50 years ago. The .22/30-30. A 30-30 case necked down
to .22 cal. 4100fps. Not rocket science, either. Take a
.30-30 cas and fire-form it. Load and presto - no need for
a WSM.

Then there's the venerable 6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser. It is to
this day one of the very best rounds out there. Why our
military doesn't just chamber this instead of the underpowered
5.56mm NATO or the overpowered .308 I don't know. Probably
because it someone else thought it up a hundred years ago and
the new twinks have act like they actually DO something for
their paycheck.

But if you really have to reach out and touch someone, you want the
338 Lapua Magnum round, ideally made by RUAG, in an Accuracy
International AWM. Modern weaponry at its finest..................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:44:50 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:

Frugality is the highest virtue in the Hive. You want luxury? You want
class? Don't look to Obie.

Let's see - used mint condition 1975 3.0CSI lists on manheim gold
for $14,500 in showroom/car show condition.

That's my idea of being frugal. Let's see - Corolla or CSI?
Gosh - what a rought choice.

Certainly is, when a Ford Focus RS or Honda Civic Type R will
obliterate either of these cars on a real road, plus having more
comfort and better build quality than the BMW. BTW, even the Corolla
(T4) will run and hide from a 3.0CSi - it's called progress......
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Joseph Oberlander wrote in message

No, I'm actually looking for a econobox to get around. As in
a VW Bug or simmilar. No smog. No comptuers. No sensors to
freeking die and crap out the entire engine like my old car.

Never again. My future cars will be nuclear bomb(EMP) proof
and always start. I've had it with computers.

Look for a pre 1970's Dodge Dart with a 225 cu in, slant six engine.
Used ones go for slightly more than they cost brand new.

Bob Stanton

Stewart Pinkerton said:

That's my idea of being frugal. Let's see - Corolla or CSI?
Gosh - what a rought choice.

Certainly is, when a Ford Focus RS or Honda Civic Type R will
obliterate either of these cars on a real road

Excuse us, Pinkie, but here in the States, neither the Focus nor the
Civic is equipped with explosives or other equipment that would enable
"obliteration" of other vehicles. Perhaps you could link us to some
pix of the ferocious models you have in mind. We have as much road
rage as anybody, and a packing explosives into an unassuming econobox
is every American's dream.

On 27 Dec 2003 03:35:37 -0800, (Bob-Stanton)
wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote in message

No, I'm actually looking for a econobox to get around. As in
a VW Bug or simmilar. No smog. No comptuers. No sensors to
freeking die and crap out the entire engine like my old car.

Never again. My future cars will be nuclear bomb(EMP) proof
and always start. I've had it with computers.

Look for a pre 1970's Dodge Dart with a 225 cu in, slant six engine.
Used ones go for slightly more than they cost brand new.

Or just buy an Audi A2 1.6FSI. Lots of technology - but it all works!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

(Stewart Pinkerton) said:

Hey, if you hanker after that kind of unreliability - buy a TVR!

drool

You also won't be troubled by nonsense like traction control or even
anti-lock brakes. 'Bye, been nice knowing you.......................

I'm driving DS's and CX's for 14 years now, without ABS, traction
control and airbags, and I'm still here :-)
Dutch traffic does an average of around 25 km/h..............

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Lionel said:

Citroën DS, Cool jazz & stereo... :-)

Strictly first nose, red system DS 19s then :-)
If anything else, an original Chapron will do!

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Sander deWaal a écrit :
(Stewart Pinkerton) said:


Hey, if you hanker after that kind of unreliability - buy a TVR!


drool

You also won't be troubled by nonsense like traction control or even
anti-lock brakes. 'Bye, been nice knowing you.......................


I'm driving DS's and CX's for 14 years now, without ABS, traction
control and airbags, and I'm still here :-)
Dutch traffic does an average of around 25 km/h..............


In 1990 I have done the road from Apeldoorn to Saint-Etienne in 7 hours...
....With a CX GTI !

Unfortunately, I totalled the bike in a rather serious accident in
August.
Ouch... (for you and the bike) glad you are ok: )

As soon as I'm able to ride again, I'm buying another one
just like it. Same year, same model. It's the only vehicle I've ever
owned that I want to replace with the exact same thing - that's how
much I liked it.

My buddy has a ducati. When the time came and he was ready for a second
bike, he bought another one. They are pretty cool. If I had the balls to
ride a motorcycle, it would probably be a Ducati.

Where I live, I barely feel safe in a car. Too many drivers that go way too
fast while leaping without looking. It is a minefield for motorcyclists. I
always drive around motorcyclists with great care. I give them the same
respect I do tractor trailers. Lots of space... I don't care what the
impatient guy in the SUV behind me thinks : )

Lionel said:

In 1990 I have done the road from Apeldoorn to Saint-Etienne in 7 hours...
...With a CX GTI !

Ah, yes.........back then!
Today, a 20 km drive costs me about an hour :-(

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Sander deWaal a écrit :

Lionel said:


In 1990 I have done the road from Apeldoorn to Saint-Etienne in 7 hours...
...With a CX GTI !


Ah, yes.........back then!
Today, a 20 km drive costs me about an hour :-(


At the same period with the same car I was driving from the hotel in
Apeldoorn to Amsterdam Exhibitions Center in +1 hour each morning !!!!

Scott Gardner wrote:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:15:54 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:


Scott Gardner wrote:


The only vehicle I've ever bought brand-new was a 2000 Ducati Monster
motorcycle, because that was the first year for the fuel-injected
engine, and that was a feature I really wanted.

(sound of drooling)

Okay - I have a weak spot for screaming edge tech-filled sportbikes.



Lol- the Ducatis are a lot of things, but "screaming edge tech-filled
sportbikes" they ain't. Half of their models are air-cooled, and
they're all 90-degree twins, in a time when most sportbikes have gone
the inline-four route. And it's only been in the last four years or
so that a significant number of their models have been fuel-injected.
But I loved mine like you wouldn't believe. The sound of an
air-cooled 90-degree twin exhausting through Termignoni carbon-fiber
mufflers still gives me goosebumps.

Well, looks has something to do with it as well - the Italians - they
have "sexy" down pat - fmor their cars to their bikes - jsut grogeous
to look at.

Tech? Gimmie a CBR. Honda makes soem wicked toys that we unfortunately
don't get here in the U.S.

George M. Middius wrote:


Joseph Oberlander said:


Except for cars, right?

I'd rather have a 5-year-old luxury car than a brand-new econobox. How
about you?

Um. Give me something with no electronics or smog or plastic
bumpers. My dream car? Volvo 303.

Okay, it's a military troop transport and the baddest mama-jama
off-road. Makes a Hummer look like a Tonka toy. Second would
be a Unimog.

Oh - *passenger* vehicles? Probably a BMW 3.0CSI or Porsche 930.


Explain the Corolla, then.

I do not own a Corolla. My newest car ever was a 1990 Volvo 240,
and it had too many high-tech features for my liking.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

But if you really have to reach out and touch someone, you want the
338 Lapua Magnum round, ideally made by RUAG, in an Accuracy
International AWM. Modern weaponry at its finest..................

Oh, I'm a big fan of mass over velocity. I think our military has
it all backwards. One shot, massive damage. That's my idea of
combat effectivenss, because that 2-3 seconds it takes them to stop
firing at you is another 10 chances for their AK to get lucky.

Gotta love those .50 BMG snipers that we sent over there.
1 mile kills.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:44:50 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:


George M. Middius wrote:


Frugality is the highest virtue in the Hive. You want luxury? You want
class? Don't look to Obie.

Let's see - used mint condition 1975 3.0CSI lists on manheim gold
for $14,500 in showroom/car show condition.

That's my idea of being frugal. Let's see - Corolla or CSI?
Gosh - what a rought choice.


Certainly is, when a Ford Focus RS or Honda Civic Type R will
obliterate either of these cars on a real road, plus having more
comfort and better build quality than the BMW. BTW, even the Corolla
(T4) will run and hide from a 3.0CSi - it's called progress......

Last I checked - those sport versions were - a tad more than $14K.

They also depreciate fast, while the CSI goes *up* in value while
I drive it. At worst, it stays the same.

Joseph Oberlander said:

Explain the Corolla, then.

I do not own a Corolla.


Ohno! Another "Joseph Oberlander". I hope he doesn't have The Virus
too.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:44:50 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:


George M. Middius wrote:


Frugality is the highest virtue in the Hive. You want luxury? You want
class? Don't look to Obie.

Let's see - used mint condition 1975 3.0CSI lists on manheim gold
for $14,500 in showroom/car show condition.

That's my idea of being frugal. Let's see - Corolla or CSI?
Gosh - what a rought choice.


Certainly is, when a Ford Focus RS or Honda Civic Type R will
obliterate either of these cars on a real road, plus having more
comfort and better build quality than the BMW. BTW, even the Corolla
(T4) will run and hide from a 3.0CSi - it's called progress......

You *do* know what a Porsche 930 is? It was also on my list.
Yeah, it's $25K for a show condition one, but that turbo 6 is
a SLIGHT bit different than the typical 911.

And mustangs - you like Detroit steel? 20-25K will get you
a shiny 350+HP GTO or Mach 1 or...

Why drive a connuter-box when you can drive a piece of history?

Obie-Wanna-private-mechanic said:

Why drive a connuter-box when you can drive a piece of history?

So as to avoid spending $10K a year on repairs and two days a week
driving a crappy rental car.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:02:47 -0500, George M. Middius
wrote:



Obie-Wanna-private-mechanic said:

Why drive a connuter-box when you can drive a piece of history?

So as to avoid spending $10K a year on repairs and two days a week
driving a crappy rental car.

Actually, after the initial restoration/renovation is complete (if the
car in question even needs one), the day-to-day maintenance is only a
little more time-consuming than with a modern car. My MG required
more routine maintenance, and it required it more frequently (adding
oil to the carburetor dashpots, checking the oil in the shock
absorbers, points, etcetera, but it's nowhere near $10k/year and two
days per week. I've never owned a car that required that kind of
upkeep. If you're having to spend that kind of money, you're
obviously having to repeat repairs over and over again, so I would
look for a different mechanic.

Granted, nothing touches the long-term reliability and low upkeep of
modern cars. My wife's Toyota and my Honda haven't needed anything
other than routine maintenance with the exception of replacing the
alternator in the Toyota, and they have 250,000 miles between them.

My Charger is in the middle as far as upkeep goes. The ignition has
been replaced with an electronic one, and I have a Keisler 5-speed
overdrive transmission on its way. The engine was rebuilt right
before I bought the car, and the paint and interior are fresh. So
after I swap in the tranny and replace some suspension parts and
bushings, it will likely be just a matter of routine maintenance until
the engine needs rebuilt many years in the future.

Scott Gardner

Scott Gardner said:

Obie-Wanna-private-mechanic said:

Why drive a connuter-box when you can drive a piece of history?

So as to avoid spending $10K a year on repairs and two days a week
driving a crappy rental car.

Actually, after the initial restoration/renovation is complete

Thank you for admitting you don't know squat about restoring cars.