"Annika1980" wrote in message
From: George M. Middius

Here's a hint for you: No way in hell will Mr. **** get anywhere near a
real debate against an audio guy of John Atkinson's caliber. Any day
now, the BS and excuses will start pouring forth from the Michigan Hive.


If Arny does show up I guess we're pretty much ****ed. Finally.




Don't under estimate the influence Ferstler can pull.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?



(5) Basement training sessions

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
ink.net


So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?


That might be clear once it has happened.



btw - sic for the impared, in case you missed it in my original post.

George M. Middius wrote:


Joseph Oberlander said:


So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?


That Krooger is a lying sack of **** who is completely petrified at the
idea of trying his "debating trade" garbage in the real world. Do you
really need more proof of that, or did you just want Lord Atkinson to
admit he's fed up with Krooger's krapola?

Well, you see, Arny's a bit of a PITA here and his debating
style is attrocious, but the fact is, behind all of that personality
conflict with you crap is a moderate amount of actual science.

If he's forced to, he can bury you in actual statistics
and facts. The outdated but technically well done audio
card reviews are proof of that. So be careful what you
wish for - you just might get him to give a damn and
decide to school you.

Joseph Oberlander said:

George M. Middius wrote:


Joseph Oberlander said:


So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?


That Krooger is a lying sack of **** who is completely petrified at the
idea of trying his "debating trade" garbage in the real world. Do you
really need more proof of that, or did you just want Lord Atkinson to
admit he's fed up with Krooger's krapola?

Well, you see, Arny's a bit of a PITA here and his debating
style is attrocious, but the fact is, behind all of that personality
conflict with you crap is a moderate amount of actual science.

If he's forced to, he can bury you in actual statistics
and facts. The outdated but technically well done audio
card reviews are proof of that. So be careful what you
wish for - you just might get him to give a damn and
decide to school you.

I would beg to differ. Arny's a "jack of all trades...master of none." If you
notice carefully, he gets buried in arguments with real engineers as soon as
they get into any depth in a certain subject. He knows enough to sound
knowledgeable to a newbie, but he drives the experts crazy with his
misinformation. That's when he starts employing his debating trade tricks to
try to climb out of hole he has dug for himself.

Couple that with the fact that Arny is constantly doing research on the
Internet to back himself up. Confronted with a live format with no such
resources, Arny would collapse like a house of cards. It is that reason alone
why Arny will never debate JA in public.

Boon

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net
George M. Middius wrote:


Joseph Oberlander said:


So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?


That Krooger is a lying sack of **** who is completely petrified at
the idea of trying his "debating trade" garbage in the real world.
Do you really need more proof of that, or did you just want Lord
Atkinson to admit he's fed up with Krooger's krapola?

Well, you see, Arny's a bit of a PITA here and his debating
style is attrocious,

Just to the point - sorry that you weren't so wrong, so often Obie.

but the fact is, behind all of that personality
conflict with you crap is a moderate amount of actual science.

More science by accident than you've ever done here on purpose, Obie.

If he's forced to, he can bury you in actual statistics
and facts.

No force required. When it comes to audio posts, even relative lightweights
like you Obie bury Middius way over his head.

The outdated but technically well done audio
card reviews are proof of that.

Well thank, you.

So be careful what you
wish for - you just might get him to give a damn and
decide to school you.

Not a chance - Middius is a hopeless case.

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?

I listened to The Tape. You clearly can't think on your feet.

Boon

From: (Marc Phillips)
Date: 12/10/2004 9:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Joseph Oberlander said:

George M. Middius wrote:


Joseph Oberlander said:


So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?


That Krooger is a lying sack of **** who is completely petrified at the
idea of trying his "debating trade" garbage in the real world. Do you
really need more proof of that, or did you just want Lord Atkinson to
admit he's fed up with Krooger's krapola?

Well, you see, Arny's a bit of a PITA here and his debating
style is attrocious, but the fact is, behind all of that personality
conflict with you crap is a moderate amount of actual science.

If he's forced to, he can bury you in actual statistics
and facts. The outdated but technically well done audio
card reviews are proof of that. So be careful what you
wish for - you just might get him to give a damn and
decide to school you.

I would beg to differ. Arny's a "jack of all trades...master of none." If
you
notice carefully, he gets buried in arguments with real engineers as soon as
they get into any depth in a certain subject. He knows enough to sound
knowledgeable to a newbie, but he drives the experts crazy with his
misinformation. That's when he starts employing his debating trade tricks to
try to climb out of hole he has dug for himself.

Couple that with the fact that Arny is constantly doing research on the
Internet to back himself up. Confronted with a live format with no such
resources, Arny would collapse like a house of cards. It is that reason
alone
why Arny will never debate JA in public.

Boon



Well put. Indeed he won't even do it in exchange for a payed vacation to New
York city and the hifi show. He must be absolutely terrified to turn that offer
down.

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message


I would beg to differ. Arny's a "jack of all trades...master of
none." If you notice carefully, he gets buried in arguments with
real engineers as soon as they get into any depth in a certain
subject.

Given what a technical flyweight that you are Phillips, how would you even
know?

He knows enough to sound knowledgeable to a newbie, but he
drives the experts crazy with his misinformation.

More like the truth - I drive the pathetic excuses for experts that seem to
drop in here crazy by correcting their misinformation.

That's when he
starts employing his debating trade tricks to try to climb out of
hole he has dug for himself.

...and on the radical subjectivist side, we've got JBorg, showing us all how
to forge posts.

Couple that with the fact that Arny is constantly doing research on
the Internet to back himself up.

As compared to the personal orifice that you do your research in, Phillips?

Confronted with a live format with
no such resources, Arny would collapse like a house of cards. It is
that reason alone why Arny will never debate JA in public.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz!

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?

I listened to The Tape. You clearly can't think on your feet.

What tape?

Sander deWaal wrote:
said:

If you can go with 'Shakti' and 'Mpingo discs', "Middius" doesn't
look
so bad, right? ;-)

Whatever happened to Scull??? :-))

Middius=Scull? Some conspiracy theory :-)


Er, no, Sander, that's not what I meant to imply. It's just that Scull
comes to mind whenever large volumes of snake oil are seen. Did you
ever read his "review" of Mpingo Discs in Stereopile (--that spelling
is intentional).

Has anyone seen hide or hair of Scull since his fat,spamming butt got
run off of RAO? Is he still with Monster?

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in message
oups.com...
R wrote:
dave weil wrote in
:
Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from
Detroit" actually means a round trip ticket.

I do believe that Dave is correct.

He is. My apologies if I confused anyone with my English usage.

Yew gots ta lurn ta speek Amurikun.

Thank you for your advice, Mr. McKelvy.

But as I have you on the line, as it were, I am curious why,
given how much you have posted to the Newgroups regarding people
you regard as not willing to defend their opinions in public, you
have nothing to say regarding my invitation to Arny Krueger to a
debate with me at Home Entertainment 2005 in May. After all, it
_was_ your original suggestion.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

said:

Whatever happened to Scull??? :-))

Middius=Scull? Some conspiracy theory :-)

Er, no, Sander, that's not what I meant to imply. It's just that Scull
comes to mind whenever large volumes of snake oil are seen. Did you
ever read his "review" of Mpingo Discs in Stereopile (--that spelling
is intentional).

Ever since the demise of Audio&Techniek, a Dutch (DIY) magazine where
I also wrote some articles for, I haven't read any specific audio
magazines.
I have never read Stereophile, either. Just a glance every now and
then at their website.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news


Robot said:

I will personally pay for Arny's food and drinks. If this happens it
could be quite educational.

Educational? You mean you still haven't figured out the Krooborg is a
gigantic retard, and you need to see him eviscerated by Lord Atkinson in
order to understand it?

Here's a hint for you: No way in hell will Mr. **** get anywhere near a
real debate against an audio guy of John Atkinson's caliber.

LOL, the list of Atkinson's technical errors makes him a .22 next to Arny's
quad 50.

Any day
now, the BS and excuses will start pouring forth from the Michigan Hive.
You'll see irrational and unjustifiable demands, or the usual "debating
trade" attempts to deny reality, or risible attempts to impute "lies"
and "deceptions" where none have actually occurred. Or all of the above.

You might be living in denial of what the Krooborg is, but you're in a
small minority.


The reality is, he knows more about audio than Atkinson has learned.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:50:42 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Confronted with a live format with
no such resources, Arny would collapse like a house of cards. It is
that reason alone why Arny will never debate JA in public.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Looks like that even on the Internet, he collapses into a snoring
heap.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:51:24 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?

I listened to The Tape. You clearly can't think on your feet.

What tape?

Oh dear. Here we go again. Here's the tape that you claim doesn't
exist until you decide to claim that it *does* exist.

Don't take the bait Marc. Just let Arnold think he's "outfoxed" you.
Then you won't lose a couple of hours of your life wasting your time.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:57:49 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote:

Here's a hint for you: No way in hell will Mr. **** get anywhere near a
real debate against an audio guy of John Atkinson's caliber.

LOL, the list of Atkinson's technical errors makes him a .22 next to Arny's
quad 50.

When it comes to shooting a crippled sparrow such as yourself, whom do
you guess would be the better equipped?

I guess for shooting imaginary windmills, the quad .50 would be just
as good as a .22.

Dave Weil wrote:


On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:51:24 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?

I listened to The Tape. You clearly can't think on your feet.

What tape?

Oh dear. Here we go again. Here's the tape that you claim doesn't
exist until you decide to claim that it *does* exist.

Don't take the bait Marc. Just let Arnold think he's "outfoxed" you.
Then you won't lose a couple of hours of your life wasting your time.



I seem to recall The Devil (or perhaps some others as well) posting an edited
file of THE TAPE that "doesn't exist" on RAO for our listening pleasure.



Bruce J. Richman

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
oups.com...

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in message
oups.com...
R wrote:
dave weil wrote in
:
Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from
Detroit" actually means a round trip ticket.

I do believe that Dave is correct.

He is. My apologies if I confused anyone with my English usage.

Yew gots ta lurn ta speek Amurikun.

Thank you for your advice, Mr. McKelvy.

But as I have you on the line, as it were, I am curious why,
given how much you have posted to the Newgroups regarding people
you regard as not willing to defend their opinions in public, you
have nothing to say regarding my invitation to Arny Krueger to a
debate with me at Home Entertainment 2005 in May. After all, it
_was_ your original suggestion.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

There's not a lot to comment on until something actually happens.


It sounds like it would be interesting.
I hope schedule permits him to attend.
I haven't seen anything saying that he has accepted or declined.

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?

I listened to The Tape. You clearly can't think on your feet.

What tape?

The Tape.

Boon

"John Atkinson" wrote

Robert Morein wrote:
Is there room for a third position in between the two of you?
I promise to be radical, strident, and insulting.

Sorry, Mr. Morein. Mr. Krueger and myself is the plan. But you
are welcome to put a question to both us from the audience.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Well, ok... I'll buy that, John. But consider this. I think Robert
is well qualified to record and produce the multimedia event.
And to do so with clean hands. A room and travel expenses
for him would be a good value and a good faith offer on your
part.

"John Atkinson" wrote

Because the thead in which I invited Arny Krueger to debate me
in New York next May was getting cluttered, I have reposted the
relevant messages here. For Mr. Krueger's and my convenience,
please post any further comments on this proposed debate in this
thread.

Arny Krueger responded to my invitation on December 7, in message
"Of course that's a long way from home, but let's see if I can put
something together."

The ball is thus in his court.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

OK, you've kicked the tires. What is the substance and
motivation of your offer, really? Are you prepared to
enter into an enforcable written agreement? Obviously,
you cannot consummate any agreement between hostile
parties on USEnet.


"No restrictions on what subjects", "let's see if I can
put something together"... of course neither of you
really mean what you're offering.

I don't see how you can say that, Mr. Powell. If he accepts my
invitation, I will provide Mr. Krueger with a public forum,
specifically a lecture room with an audience, to debate me on
any subject either of us thinks appropriate.

"either of us thinks appropriate"... so this wouldn't
necessarily be an unilateral agreement (Law,
pertaining to a contract in which obligation rests on one
party only), right? You said, "No restrictions," that would
mean that Arny doesn't require your approval of his
agenda, no? Which is it, censorship (your approval) or
autonomy for Arny?


As I said, I also think it appropriate for both us to take
questions from the audience. And as I also said, I will
pay Mr. Krueger's expenses, specifically a return coach
air ticket from Detroit and 2 nights accommodation in the
Show hotel.

Fine, great idea. It would be appropriate for you to have a
Talent Contract (work for hire) with Arny. And if your offer is
sincere there should also be a hold harmless addendum
shielding Arny from any concerns that the incident could be
used to advance a litigation. You've often alluded to litigation
in past posts.

And since you also mentioned recording the spectacle, it
should be made public that the multimedia format you
intend to release is “fair use and royalty free” to anyone.

Oh, and let's not forget the money. He turned down $1K
last time. Seems like you should step up to the plate with
some real money this time, if you expect your offer to be
taken seriously.


All this I think reasonable. I see no reason why this debate
could not take place next May along the lines I have
suggested.

"Reasonable"... no two people can agree on what
that constitutes. It usually requires 12 opened minded
people confined to a tiny little room .

In a debate with Arny, how can you assure Arny/anyone
that your representation will be forthright and not just
representing the interest of your employer, your first duty?
I don’t think your handlers want a loose cannon on stage
or negative repercussions afterwards... so what makes
this offer legitimate and not merely a dog and pony show
or just a R.A.O. stunt to kick-the-tires again (1999
Debacle )?

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...

If he's forced to, he can bury you in actual statistics
and facts.

But his preference is to bury you in feces.

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
...


Couple that with the fact that Arny is constantly doing research on the
Internet to back himself up. Confronted with a live format with no such
resources, Arny would collapse like a house of cards. It is that reason
alone
why Arny will never debate JA in public.

Boon

Maybe JA will let him have a browser on the podium.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?

I listened to The Tape. You clearly can't think on your feet.

What tape?


The chipmonk tape.

From: (Bruce J. Richman)

I seem to recall The Devil (or perhaps some others as well) posting an edited
file of THE TAPE that "doesn't exist" on RAO for our listening pleasure.


Link?

Powell wrote:
What is the substance and motivation of your offer, really?

With all due respect, Mr. Powell, the form of the debate and the
substance of any agreement is not your concern. I have outlined my
basic ideas on the matter. As I said, I am now waiting for Mr. Krueger
to offer _his_ thoughts.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Paul Dormer wrote:
should this come off - might you field a
couple of questions from folks who are unable to attend?

It's pretty standard to have write-in questions. If Mr. Krueger has no
objection, we could actively call for some questions ahead of time.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"John Atkinson" wrote in
oups.com:


Paul Dormer wrote:
should this come off - might you field a
couple of questions from folks who are unable to attend?

It's pretty standard to have write-in questions. If Mr. Krueger has no
objection, we could actively call for some questions ahead of time.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile



I think that some of the questions should be known ahead of time and by
both parties. I would be rather pointless if the questions all consisted
of the type "Have you stopped beating your spouse yet?" I also think
there needs to be some rules similar to the rules of a presidental debate
applied. Time limits on responses, limits on counterpoints. Halting the
debate if the response goes off topic.

Arny and John, what do you think about the proposed rules?

r



--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

You might be living in denial of what the Krooborg is, but you're
in a small minority.

The reality is, he knows more about audio than Atkinson has learned.

Well observed Mickey... he "knows" more about audio than any one
person could possibly learn.

You forget that we are the Borg.

;-)

"Annika1980" wrote in message

From: (Bruce J. Richman)

I seem to recall The Devil (or perhaps some others as well) posting
an edited file of THE TAPE that "doesn't exist" on RAO for our
listening pleasure.


Link?

You'll never get it. These guys live in a world of imaginary sounds. This
purported *tape* is just another one of them.

One clue is that they call it a tape. Who uses tape these years? I think
even Richman has bagged tape.

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
oups.com
Paul Dormer wrote:
should this come off - might you field a
couple of questions from folks who are unable to attend?

It's pretty standard to have write-in questions. If Mr. Krueger has no
objection, we could actively call for some questions ahead of time.

No objections.

"R" wrote in message


I think that some of the questions should be known ahead of time and
by both parties. I would be rather pointless if the questions all
consisted of the type "Have you stopped beating your spouse yet?" I
also think there needs to be some rules similar to the rules of a
presidental debate applied. Time limits on responses, limits on
counterpoints. Halting the debate if the response goes off topic.

Arny and John, what do you think about the proposed rules?

I don't see a concrete proposal.

I figure that if Atkinson takes up all the time with his usual long-winded
pontifications, I'll surely avoid saying something that I might not be happy
with later on. ;-)

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
ups.com
Powell wrote:
What is the substance and motivation of your offer, really?

With all due respect, Mr. Powell, the form of the debate and the
substance of any agreement is not your concern. I have outlined my
basic ideas on the matter. As I said, I am now waiting for Mr. Krueger
to offer _his_ thoughts.

My thoughts are that I intend to show up at the specified time and place and
see what shakes.

R wrote:
Arny and John, what do you think about the proposed rules?

As I said to Mr. Powell, this is really up to Arny Krueger and
myself. Involving third parties in the discussion of the details
is going to make things very confusing very quickly. Arny Krueger
has said he will consider my invitation, so I will wait to see what
he eventually has to say about it.

John Atkinsn
Editor, Stereophile

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 12/11/2004 2:58 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

You might be living in denial of what the Krooborg is, but you're
in a small minority.

The reality is, he knows more about audio than Atkinson has learned.

Well observed Mickey... he "knows" more about audio than any one
person could possibly learn.

You forget that we are the Borg.

;-)


Please stop insulting the Borg.

"John Atkinson" wrote

Powell wrote:
What is the substance and motivation of your
offer, really?

With all due respect, Mr. Powell, the form of the debate
and the substance of any agreement is not your concern.

Next time don't start a new thread with my name on it
if you don't want an honest commentary about your
professionalism, or lack thereof. Hissy-fit noted.


I have outlined my basic ideas on the matter. As I
said, I am now waiting for Mr. Krueger to
offer _his_ thoughts.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Arny wrote "My thoughts are that I intend to show up at
the specified time and place and see what shakes."

Enough said on the subject? Satisfied? Ready
to make business commitments? Do the metaphors
about "crying wolf" or "once bitten, twice shy" mean
anything to you? I think you're ready for another
life lesson, Atkinson, Krueger style .

"George M. Middius" wrote

With all due respect, Mr. Powell, the form of the debate and the
substance of any agreement is not your concern. I have outlined my
basic ideas on the matter. As I said, I am now waiting for Mr. Krueger
to offer _his_ thoughts.

My thoughts are that I intend to show up at the specified time and place
and see what shakes.

What a crock. I can hear the excuses now. "Can't go because
I, broke my leg. LOt"S!" Or "My militia commander ordered me
to report for training exercise's." Or "I'm not going unless Nousiane
get's to go, too."

Once a liar, always a liar. The Kroo-liar.

It's all about behavior expectations and civility. I know
you don't mind waiting for Arny to change, George .

Arny Krueger wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in message
ups.com
I am now waiting for Mr. Krueger to offer _his_ thoughts.

My thoughts are that I intend to show up at the specified time and
place and see what shakes.

Is this a "yes," Mr. Krueger? I'm just asking for clarification,
because
once you give me a definite positive answer, I have to commit to a
not-inconsiderable expenditu the meeting room cost, your round-trip
plane fare, and your hotel room cost.

(For yours and my convenience I posted my invitation to you in
message .com)

But as I said earlier, I am not pressuring you for a commitment either
way right now. The deadline will be early February, because after that
it will be difficult for me to get the debate/discussion/whatever you
wish to call it included in the show program.
Sincerely
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

The Devil wrote:


On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:34:40 +0000, The Devil wrote:

On 10 Dec 2004 20:47:45 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
wrote:

I seem to recall The Devil (or perhaps some others as well) posting an
edited
file of THE TAPE that "doesn't exist" on RAO for our listening pleasure.

No, I didn't. I don't want the recording made public.

Correction and apology. I now remember what you're talking about. Yes,
I did make a small excerpt available on the web, with my speaking
parts noised out. Arnii had flatly denied that the recording existed,
and so I put up a clip to prove him wrong. IIRC, he denied the voice
was his own--yet anyone who believes him (Mikey, but any others?)
could easily confirm the authenticity of the recording by calling
Arnii and speaking to him. He has a ... distinctive voice, shall we
say.

--
td



Aoology accepted. Yes, your account is the same as my recollection of the
post. Your voice was not heard on the clip posted on RAO.


Bruce J. Richman