Because the thead in which I invited Arny Krueger to debate me
in New York next May was getting cluttered, I have reposted the
relevant messages here. For Mr. Krueger's and my convenience,
please post any further comments on this proposed debate in this
thread.

Arny Krueger responded to my invitation on December 7, in message
, "Of course that's a long way
from home, but let's see if I can put something together."

The ball is thus in his court.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

---------------------------------------------------------
In message . com
"John Atkinson" wrote
Michael McKelvy wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
You are the one who continually demands people take
responsibility for their actions, Mr. McKelvy. Why do you
excuse Arny Krueger from having to do likewise?

Just pick a place, I'm pretty sure if it's reasonable, Arny
will show up and debate YOU if you have the courage.

Okay, I invite Arny Krueger to Home Entertainment 2005, to be
held in Manhattan next May, to debate me one-on-one in front of
an audience. A free discussion. No restrictions on what subjects
Mr. Krueger wishes to talk about, although it is fair to include
a section where he and I have to answers questions from the
audience.

Stop mucking about with all the bull**** about fees and show
us what you actually know and what you can actually hear.

Okay, as you feel that no fee is appropriate for my response
to Tom Nousaine, no fee will be offered Mr. Krueger for his
appearance in New York, just reasonable expenses.

And

---------------------------------------------------------
In message .com
"John Atkinson" wrote:
Powell wrote:
"No restrictions on what subjects", "let's see if I can
put something together"... of course neither of you
really mean what you're offering.

I don't see how you can say that, Mr. Powell. If he accepts my
invitation, I will provide Mr. Krueger with a public forum,
specifically a lecture room with an audience, to debate me on
any subject either of us thinks appropriate. As I said, I also
think it appropriate for both us to take questions from the
audience. And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses,
specifically a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2 nights
accommodation inthe Show hotel.

All this I think reasonable. I see no reason why this debate
could not take place next May along the lines I have suggested.
---------------------------------------------------------

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
oups.com...
Because the thead in which I invited Arny Krueger to debate me
in New York next May was getting cluttered, I have reposted the
relevant messages here. For Mr. Krueger's and my convenience,
please post any further comments on this proposed debate in this
thread.

Arny Krueger responded to my invitation on December 7, in message
, "Of course that's a long way
from home, but let's see if I can put something together."

The ball is thus in his court.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Is there room for a third position in between the two of you?
I promise to be radical, strident, and insulting.

Robert Morein wrote:


"John Atkinson" wrote in message
roups.com...
Because the thead in which I invited Arny Krueger to debate me
in New York next May was getting cluttered, I have reposted the
relevant messages here. For Mr. Krueger's and my convenience,
please post any further comments on this proposed debate in this
thread.

Arny Krueger responded to my invitation on December 7, in message
, "Of course that's a long way
from home, but let's see if I can put something together."

The ball is thus in his court.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Is there room for a third position in between the two of you?
I promise to be radical, strident, and insulting.



I would say that Mr. Atkinson's offer of providing not only a public forum, but
also travel and hotel expenses for Krueger is more than fair and generous. It
is also quite explicit and I fail to see how his post can be either
misinterpreted or misrepresented - not that anybody would ever try and do that,
of course.

For those of us that may not be able to attend this event, is there a way to
obtain a transcript of the debate, assuming it takes place? Or alternatively,
could it be posted after the fact, unedited, on RAO?



Bruce J. Richman

Robert Morein wrote:
Is there room for a third position in between the two of you?
I promise to be radical, strident, and insulting.

Sorry, Mr. Morein. Mr. Krueger and myself is the plan. But you
are welcome to put a question to both us from the audience.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
For those of us that may not be able to attend this event, is
there a way to obtain a transcript of the debate, assuming it
takes place?

Given that this was one of Mr. Krueger's demands for the putative
1999 debates, I don't see why he would object to the event being
recorded. We could stream it live on the Web. Certainly I think an
unedited recording could be made available as a CD or an MP3 file.

Or alternatively, could it be posted after the fact, unedited, on
RAO?

Possibly, though the rights would have to be sorted out, of course.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
ups.com...

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
For those of us that may not be able to attend this event, is
there a way to obtain a transcript of the debate, assuming it
takes place?

Given that this was one of Mr. Krueger's demands for the putative
1999 debates, I don't see why he would object to the event being
recorded. We could stream it live on the Web. Certainly I think an
unedited recording could be made available as a CD or an MP3 file.

[snip]
24/96, please.

Paul Dormer wrote:
I am trying to locate a response from Mr Krueger, regarding
his proposed attendance at said function. So far I have failed
to find anything like a committment but perhaps my news server
is playing up.

Mr. Krueger has yet to respond, but there's no rush. We don't start
work on finalizing the events program for Home Entertainment 2005
until the New Year.

Audio recording has already been mentioned.. but I do wonder
whether Mr Krueger would have any objection to a video recording
being made.

I don't have any objection to the event being video'd, other than
the additional complexity of setting up a streamed video feed to
the Web.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:11:30 +0000, Paul Dormer
wrote:

"John Atkinson" emitted :

Sorry, Mr. Morein. Mr. Krueger and myself is the plan. But you
are welcome to put a question to both us from the audience.

I am trying to locate a response from Mr Krueger, regarding his
proposed attendance at said function. So far I have failed to find
anything like a committment but perhaps my news server is playing up.

Audio recording has already been mentioned.. but I do wonder whether
Mr Krueger would have any objection to a video recording being made.

John's dad say "Smell-O-Vision extra crispy!"

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...


Is there room for a third position in between the two of you?
I promise to be radical, strident, and insulting.



Such as my politics. I am a radical centrist.

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...


Is there room for a third position in between the two of you?
I promise to be radical, strident, and insulting.



Such as my politics. I am a radical centrist.

Foul! You are a deviate apostate radical centrist!

"John Atkinson" wrote in
ups.com:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
For those of us that may not be able to attend this event, is
there a way to obtain a transcript of the debate, assuming it
takes place?

Given that this was one of Mr. Krueger's demands for the putative
1999 debates, I don't see why he would object to the event being
recorded. We could stream it live on the Web. Certainly I think an
unedited recording could be made available as a CD or an MP3 file.

Or alternatively, could it be posted after the fact, unedited, on
RAO?

Possibly, though the rights would have to be sorted out, of course.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile


I will personally pay for Arny's food and drinks. If this happens it
could be quite educational.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"John Atkinson" wrote in
ups.com:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
For those of us that may not be able to attend this event, is
there a way to obtain a transcript of the debate, assuming it
takes place?

Given that this was one of Mr. Krueger's demands for the putative
1999 debates, I don't see why he would object to the event being
recorded. We could stream it live on the Web. Certainly I think an
unedited recording could be made available as a CD or an MP3 file.

Or alternatively, could it be posted after the fact, unedited, on
RAO?

Possibly, though the rights would have to be sorted out, of course.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile


Streaming it live is fine, but I would really like an audio and video
recording of the event.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"John Atkinson" wrote in
oups.com:


Paul Dormer wrote:
I am trying to locate a response from Mr Krueger, regarding
his proposed attendance at said function. So far I have failed
to find anything like a committment but perhaps my news server
is playing up.

Mr. Krueger has yet to respond, but there's no rush. We don't start
work on finalizing the events program for Home Entertainment 2005
until the New Year.

Audio recording has already been mentioned.. but I do wonder
whether Mr Krueger would have any objection to a video recording
being made.

I don't have any objection to the event being video'd, other than
the additional complexity of setting up a streamed video feed to
the Web.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile


Personally I think the debate would be good for Arny. Arny will be able
to finally "slay the dragon" in public and in front of the industry's most
prominent luminaries. He will be able to expose the "snake oil"
proponents once and for all and possibly revolutionize the industry for
the better.

Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position to get
some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"R" wrote in message
. ..
"John Atkinson" wrote in
oups.com:


Paul Dormer wrote:
I am trying to locate a response from Mr Krueger, regarding
his proposed attendance at said function. So far I have failed
to find anything like a committment but perhaps my news server
is playing up.

Mr. Krueger has yet to respond, but there's no rush. We don't start
work on finalizing the events program for Home Entertainment 2005
until the New Year.

Audio recording has already been mentioned.. but I do wonder
whether Mr Krueger would have any objection to a video recording
being made.

I don't have any objection to the event being video'd, other than
the additional complexity of setting up a streamed video feed to
the Web.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile


Personally I think the debate would be good for Arny. Arny will be able
to finally "slay the dragon" in public and in front of the industry's most
prominent luminaries. He will be able to expose the "snake oil"
proponents once and for all and possibly revolutionize the industry for
the better.

Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position to get
some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

r


Yeah, Yeah! Go Arny, go for it!!!

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news


Robot said:

I will personally pay for Arny's food and drinks. If this happens it
could be quite educational.

Educational? You mean you still haven't figured out the Krooborg is a
gigantic retard, and you need to see him eviscerated by Lord Atkinson in
order to understand it?

Here's a hint for you: No way in hell will Mr. **** get anywhere near a
real debate against an audio guy of John Atkinson's caliber. Any day
now, the BS and excuses will start pouring forth from the Michigan Hive.
You'll see irrational and unjustifiable demands, or the usual "debating
trade" attempts to deny reality, or risible attempts to impute "lies"
and "deceptions" where none have actually occurred. Or all of the above.

You might be living in denial of what the Krooborg is, but you're in a
small minority.

And as we know from the movie ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, if Arny eats or
drinks, he will break.

"R" wrote in message


Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position to
get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33 EST 12/8
post.

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Why am I not commenting futher on this?

The OP looked like flypaper for RAO's usual list of suspects. It turned out
that way.

Maybe I should present myself to Radi for psychic testing. ;-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message


correction:

Maybe I should present myself to Randi for psychic testing. ;-)

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:04:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"R" wrote in message
.1

Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position to
get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33 EST 12/8
post.

No such post on my server.

I guess you need to quote the relevant passage.

The only thing I can find is this (from the 7th):

"And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses, specifically
a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2 nights accommodation in
the Show hotel".

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from Detroit"
actually means a round trip ticket.

I know that you're more of a van-type person, so you might not be
aware of this.

Why am I not commenting futher on this?

The OP looked like flypaper for RAO's usual list of suspects. It turned out
that way.

Maybe I should present myself to Radi for psychic testing. ;-)

dave weil wrote in
:

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:04:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"R" wrote in message
. 1

Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position to
get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33 EST
12/8 post.

No such post on my server.

I guess you need to quote the relevant passage.

The only thing I can find is this (from the 7th):

"And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses, specifically
a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2 nights accommodation in
the Show hotel".

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from Detroit"
actually means a round trip ticket.



I do believe that Dave is correct.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is a one way. If that is
the case, I will pay for the other half of the ticket.

So there you go! Free trip!

Arny, anything else you need?

r



--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"R" wrote in message
. 1
dave weil wrote in
:

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:04:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"R" wrote in message


Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position
to get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33
EST 12/8 post.

No such post on my server.

I guess you need to quote the relevant passage.

The only thing I can find is this (from the 7th):

"And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses, specifically
a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2 nights accommodation in
the Show hotel".

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from Detroit"
actually means a round trip ticket.

I do believe that Dave is correct.

He may be. It's not audio, so he may know something about it.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is a one way. If that
is the case, I will pay for the other half of the ticket.

In fact, both halves might or might not be useful.

So there you go! Free trip!

Not a problem.

Arny, anything else you need?

I need help so I stop laughing at the childish antics of the usual list of
RAO suspects, who are obviously putting on what they think is a great show
for their hero/leader/mentor Atkinson.

R wrote:
dave weil wrote in
:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:04:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"R" wrote in message
. 1
Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a
position
to get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33
EST 12/8 post.

No such post on my server.

I guess you need to quote the relevant passage.

The only thing I can find is this (from the 7th):

"And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses,
specifically a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2
nights accommodation in the Show hotel".

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from
Detroit" actually means a round trip ticket.

I do believe that Dave is correct.

He is. My apologies if I confused anyone with my English usage.
By "return ticket," I meant "round trip," "Detroit to NYC and back
again," "both directions." By "coach," I meant "economy," "main
cabin," "not first class," "not business class," etc.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:46:17 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


I do believe that Dave is correct.

He may be.

I am.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is a one way. If that
is the case, I will pay for the other half of the ticket.

In fact, both halves might or might not be useful.

So there you go! Free trip!

Not a problem.

Arny, anything else you need?

I need help so I stop laughing at the childish antics of the usual list of
RAO suspects, who are obviously putting on what they think is a great show
for their hero/leader/mentor Atkinson.

You must be kidding. First of all, you make a gross error about
something that most people know, then you compound the error by
claiming that it's a "childish antic" to correct you on your error.

BTW, the first three words of your last sentence are SOOO true. YOu
should listen to yourself.

On 9 Dec 2004 07:57:56 -0800, "John Atkinson"
wrote:


R wrote:
dave weil wrote in
:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:04:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"R" wrote in message
. 1
Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a
position
to get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33
EST 12/8 post.

No such post on my server.

I guess you need to quote the relevant passage.

The only thing I can find is this (from the 7th):

"And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses,
specifically a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2
nights accommodation in the Show hotel".

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from
Detroit" actually means a round trip ticket.

I do believe that Dave is correct.

He is. My apologies if I confused anyone with my English usage.
By "return ticket," I meant "round trip," "Detroit to NYC and back
again," "both directions." By "coach," I meant "economy," "main
cabin," "not first class," "not business class," etc.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Yes, that's pretty common terminology, using the term "return ticket".
Additionally, the phrase "return ticket from..." somebody's home
location would tip off most people who are even barely conversant with
the English language that it means leaving from their home location
and returning to said home location.

But this is Arnold that we're dealing with.

I wonder what his next attempt to claim that you didn't say what you
said will be. After all, you thought that you were keeping things as
simple as possible. Unfortunately, you're dealing with omeone simpler.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 12/9/2004 6:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"R" wrote in message
.1

Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position to
get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33 EST 12/8
post.

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

No it is a free vacation to one of the greatest cities on earth.



Why am I not commenting futher on this?

You must be really terrified of leaving your comfort zone, Usenet. I am shocked
that Mr. Atkinson would make the offer.Frankly, I think it sends a dangerous
message, Be a bif enough asshole towards Atkinson for a long enough time and
win a free trip to New York. I can't imagine why he would waste the money
bringing in some nobody for a debate.



The OP looked like flypaper for RAO's usual list of suspects. It turned out
that way.

Maybe I should present myself to Radi for psychic testing. ;-)


I didn't realize just how scared you really were of the real world until now.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 12/9/2004 6:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"R" wrote in message


Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position
to get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33
EST 12/8 post.

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

This would appear to be an error on my part. So much for my knowlege of UK
idioms.

No it is a free vacation to one of the greatest cities on earth.

Been there, done that many times.

Why am I not commenting futher on this?

You must be really terrified of leaving your comfort zone, Usenet.

Yup, that's why I spent almost a week in SE Pennsylvania over Thanksgiving.
Oh, and that'w why I joyfully avoided posting on Usenet each and every hour
that I was gone. BTW, this also explains why my son and I travelled an
additional 300 miles or so to visit he

http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarhazy/

BTW, its almost perfect complement to:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/ which is a tad closer to home.

I am shocked that Mr. Atkinson would make the offer.Frankly, I think
it sends a dangerous message, Be a bif enough asshole towards
Atkinson for a long enough time and win a free trip to New York.

Yeah, but you don't know about Bruno and his boyz. ;-)

I can't imagine why he would waste the money bringing in some nobody
for a debate.

I agree. That's why he didn't bring in a nobody.

The OP looked like flypaper for RAO's usual list of suspects. It
turned out that way.

Maybe I should present myself to Randi for psychic testing. ;-)

I didn't realize just how scared you really were of the real world
until now.

In contrast Scott, I've known that you were seriously delusional for a long
time.

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

This would appear to be an error on my part. So much for my knowlege of UK
idioms.

If it were only UK idiom.

It's not.

But kudos on admitting your error. It's so rare...

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

You must be really terrified of leaving your comfort zone, Usenet.

Yup, that's why I spent almost a week in SE Pennsylvania over Thanksgiving.

Wow. Pick up any buggy whips while you were there?

....just waiting for your predictable rejoiner to my previous post. I
think I know what you think is a clever retort. Let's see if you
perform to spec.

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Yup, that's why I spent almost a week in SE Pennsylvania over Thanksgiving.
Oh, and that'w why I joyfully avoided posting on Usenet each and every hour
that I was gone. BTW, this also explains why my son and I travelled an
additional 300 miles or so to visit he

http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarhazy/

Been there, done that. Long time ago.

Guess you're catching up.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 12/9/2004 8:34 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 12/9/2004 6:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"R" wrote in message


Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position
to get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33
EST 12/8 post.

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

This would appear to be an error on my part. So much for my knowlege of UK
idioms.

No it is a free vacation to one of the greatest cities on earth.

Been there, done that many times.

Really? How many free trips have you been given to New York city? How often did
it include a trip o one of the better hifi shows on earth? You are so obviously
full of it Arny. It's ridiculously generous offer. There is no reasonany
audiophile would turn this down unless it conflicted with something important
on that date or they were just plain scared to debate.



Why am I not commenting futher on this?

You must be really terrified of leaving your comfort zone, Usenet.

Yup, that's why I spent almost a week in SE Pennsylvania over Thanksgiving.

Oh, so you still travel? Haven't you "been there done that?" Why did you go?


Oh, and that'w why I joyfully avoided posting on Usenet each and every hour
that I was gone.

Wow that was big of you. Joyfully? I doubt that. I suspect it was a family trip
you had to take and you were sweating it out the whole time. Maybe you didn't
understand what I meant about comfort zone though. Or did you debate audio
during Thanksgiving diner?

BTW, this also explains why my son and I travelled an
additional 300 miles or so to visit he

http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarhazy/

BTW, its almost perfect complement to:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/ which is a tad closer to home.

I am shocked that Mr. Atkinson would make the offer.Frankly, I think
it sends a dangerous message, Be a bif enough asshole towards
Atkinson for a long enough time and win a free trip to New York.

Yeah, but you don't know about Bruno and his boyz. ;-)

WTF is that supposed to mean?



I can't imagine why he would waste the money bringing in some nobody
for a debate.

I agree. That's why he didn't bring in a nobody.

Correct, The nobody is too chicken to take the offer. Maybe Atkinson is a good
poker player. Maybe he figured you'd fold your hand when faced with a public
debate.Even if you got a free trip to New York and the HiFi show for your
embarrassment.



The OP looked like flypaper for RAO's usual list of suspects. It
turned out that way.

Maybe I should present myself to Randi for psychic testing. ;-)

I didn't realize just how scared you really were of the real world
until now.

In contrast Scott, I've known that you were seriously delusional for a long
time.

You believe you know a lot of things Arny. Things that simply are not true. But
thanks for admitting you are scared. That must be some relief.

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
ink.net

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That might be clear once it has happened.

Arny said:

Maybe I should present myself to Radi for psychic testing. ;-)


The guy who co-wrote the musical "Hair"? No, wait. That was Rado.

Boon

"George M. Middius", formerly "conehead overthe.net", croaked:

Lord Atkinson

I guess an arrogant, narcissitic fraud like 'Lord' Atkinson is just as
pleased as can be to have the undying support of a psychotic such as
the paranoid personality posting as "George M. Middius".

If you can go with 'Shakti' and 'Mpingo discs', "Middius" doesn't look
so bad, right? ;-)

Whatever happened to Scull??? :-))

said:

If you can go with 'Shakti' and 'Mpingo discs', "Middius" doesn't look
so bad, right? ;-)

Whatever happened to Scull??? :-))

Middius=Scull? Some conspiracy theory :-)

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

"Arny Krueger" wrote in
:

"R" wrote in message
. 1
dave weil wrote in
:

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:04:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"R" wrote in message


Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a position
to get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33
EST 12/8 post.

No such post on my server.

I guess you need to quote the relevant passage.

The only thing I can find is this (from the 7th):

"And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses, specifically
a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2 nights accommodation in
the Show hotel".

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from Detroit"
actually means a round trip ticket.

I do believe that Dave is correct.

He may be. It's not audio, so he may know something about it.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is a one way. If that
is the case, I will pay for the other half of the ticket.

In fact, both halves might or might not be useful.

So there you go! Free trip!

Not a problem.

Arny, anything else you need?

I need help so I stop laughing at the childish antics of the usual list
of RAO suspects, who are obviously putting on what they think is a great
show for their hero/leader/mentor Atkinson.




Don't forget the other side of the coin. There are those that would like
nothing better than to see the underdog (you in this case) prevail at the
debate. Personally I think it would be interesting.

r

"Rich.Andrews" wrote in message
...
Don't forget the other side of the coin. There are those that would like
nothing better than to see the underdog (you in this case) prevail at the
debate. Personally I think it would be interesting.


By underdog, do you mean that he's JA's bitch?

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Rich.Andrews" wrote in message
...
Don't forget the other side of the coin. There are those that would
like nothing better than to see the underdog (you in this case)
prevail at the debate. Personally I think it would be interesting.


By underdog, do you mean that he's JA's bitch?

Yup, Art keeps dragging things down until they are at his level.

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live audience, without
the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an utter retard.

Boon

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
oups.com...

R wrote:
dave weil wrote in
:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:04:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"R" wrote in message
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Go for it Arny. It would be a free trip and you are in a
position
to get some free press too. You could end up a true hero.

Try re-reading the terms and conditions again in Atkinson's 07:33
EST 12/8 post.

No such post on my server.

I guess you need to quote the relevant passage.

The only thing I can find is this (from the 7th):

"And as I also said, I will pay Mr. Krueger's expenses,
specifically a return coach air ticket from Detroit and 2
nights accommodation in the Show hotel".

It's not a free trip. It's a free trip home.

Maybe you don't know that "a "return coach air ticket from
Detroit" actually means a round trip ticket.

I do believe that Dave is correct.

He is. My apologies if I confused anyone with my English usage.

Yew gots ta lurn ta speek Amurikun.


Two countries, separated by a common language.

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Joseph Oberlander said:

So what exactly is this thing supposed to prove?

That when faced with a real-time situation in front of a live
audience, without the Internet in front of him, Arny looks like an
utter retard.

So, where did you see me speak, Phillips?

(1) My Church?
(2) Share/Guide and other mainframe computer user group meetings?
(3) SMWTMS?
(4) AES and/or SMPTE meetings?