Is there anyone who understands, besides the Devil of course, why
posting away in the night is so much easier?
Especially with Mantovani on the platter? grin

God, what did they put in that Lebanon today?

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Sander deWaal a écrit :

Is there anyone who understands, besides the Devil of course, why
posting away in the night is so much easier?
Especially with Mantovani on the platter? grin

God, what did they put in that Lebanon today?

This make me remember this sentence of F. Scott Fitzgerald :
"...and in the real dark night of the soul it's always three o'clock in
the morning, day after day."
But it still too soon for that.

Lionel said:

Is there anyone who understands, besides the Devil of course, why
posting away in the night is so much easier?
Especially with Mantovani on the platter? grin

God, what did they put in that Lebanon today?

This make me remember this sentence of F. Scott Fitzgerald :
"...and in the real dark night of the soul it's always three o'clock in
the morning, day after day."
But it still too soon for that.

It'll get better in the morning, I promise.
I'll have a look at the Jag tomorrow wink, wink, nod nod

That's the problem with me, I don't drink alcohol and don't put things
in my nose.
The stuff that can be smoked, however..........
Hmmmmm........I must dissect some of those Jensen caps, maybe the
distillated oil will enhance my aural experience :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Sander deWaal a écrit :

Lionel said:


Is there anyone who understands, besides the Devil of course, why
posting away in the night is so much easier?
Especially with Mantovani on the platter? grin



God, what did they put in that Lebanon today?


This make me remember this sentence of F. Scott Fitzgerald :
"...and in the real dark night of the soul it's always three o'clock in
the morning, day after day."
But it still too soon for that.


It'll get better in the morning, I promise.
I'll have a look at the Jag tomorrow wink, wink, nod nod

That's the problem with me, I don't drink alcohol and don't put things
in my nose.

I'm not a fan of alcohol but beer and wine are *sometime* good and loyal
friends.

The stuff that can be smoked, however..........
Hmmmmm........I must dissect some of those Jensen caps, maybe the
distillated oil will enhance my aural experience :-)

Can heat cause oil's sublimation ?

George M. Middius wrote in message . ..

Maybe you do have some useful value after all.

Maybe you are a real *human* being, who knows ? ;-)

George M. Middius wrote in message

(The main debate being whether Buddhists believe in souls.)

You see Sander this is the perfect illustration of what we were
talking about.
The world is eager of "fast food" answers. Because we learn at school
that the result is more important than the process, and that to get
answers is the only way to the *success*.
I guess that *the* Buddhists don't care if *they* believe in souls or
not.
*BUT* I'm sure that they should be sorry to see that the subject is a
distracting enigm for the dandies. ;-(

(Lionel) said:

George M. Middius wrote in message

(The main debate being whether Buddhists believe in souls.)

You see Sander this is the perfect illustration of what we were
talking about.
The world is eager of "fast food" answers. Because we learn at school
that the result is more important than the process, and that to get
answers is the only way to the *success*.
I guess that *the* Buddhists don't care if *they* believe in souls or
not.
*BUT* I'm sure that they should be sorry to see that the subject is a
distracting enigm for the dandies. ;-(

I'm not sure I understand either your or George's post correctly, but
my answer is "probably". :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

George M. Middius said:

May I politely suggest that you follow your own instincts
rather than the ponderous, pedantic posturing of a pinhead like Slut?

Last time I followed my instincts, I ended up in jail.

Am I the only one here who hasn't got any problems with anyone?
I'm off the meds in a week or so, we'll see after that.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Sander deWaal wrote:


George M. Middius said:

May I politely suggest that you follow your own instincts
rather than the ponderous, pedantic posturing of a pinhead like Slut?

Last time I followed my instincts, I ended up in jail.


LOL !!! I hope it wasn't for unusual acts with tubes (Or even worse, with
vinyl !),




Am I the only one here who hasn't got any problems with anyone?

Probably.





I'm off the meds in a week or so, we'll see after that.



Dupont used to have its motto "Better Living Through Chemistry". In the area
of human behavior, emotions, and cognitions, they were often wrong.

If you don't need the meds for a purely biological problem that can't be
treated in any other way (e.g. psychologically, herbally , nutritionally,
vitamins, etc.), I'd suggest you stay off the meds.

Live well and prosper !

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."









Bruce J. Richman

George M. Middius said:

Last time I followed my instincts, I ended up in jail.

Uh.... I intended my advice to apply to the context of informal
conversations on Usenet. Jail? Fer chrissakes....

Jail doesn't mean much overhere.
Just two nights of much coffee and discussions with the officers, and
out I was.
The fine that followed, was worse :-(

Am I the only one here who hasn't got any problems with anyone?

Probably the only frequent poster, yes.

I'm an anomaly!

I'm off the meds in a week or so, we'll see after that.

Most doctors don't consider pot to be a drug, you know.

Those little blue pills *are*, you know.
And I don't mean the square formed ones :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

(Bruce J. Richman) said:

Last time I followed my instincts, I ended up in jail.

LOL !!! I hope it wasn't for unusual acts with tubes (Or even worse, with
vinyl !),

It had to do with certain activities in a car with the chairs all the
way down.
For some reason, that's not allowed even here in Holland. Strange.

Am I the only one here who hasn't got any problems with anyone?

Probably.

Medic!!!!!!!!!!!

Dupont used to have its motto "Better Living Through Chemistry". In the area
of human behavior, emotions, and cognitions, they were often wrong.

That would include "Mother's little helpers", I suppose?
They DO make me feel full of love and harmony.
And I sleep better :-)

If you don't need the meds for a purely biological problem that can't be
treated in any other way (e.g. psychologically, herbally , nutritionally,
vitamins, etc.), I'd suggest you stay off the meds.

In the psych dept, I'm probably a given up cause.
But I have left for a week, after that I'll manage with my magnificent
audio system.
My wife will be in hospital next week for unknown time, though.
I thank God that i don't like and drink alcohol.

Live well and prosper !

"That's not logical, cap'n!"

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

The Devil wrote:


On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:56:16 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

It had to do with certain activities in a car with the chairs all the
way down.
For some reason, that's not allowed even here in Holland. Strange.

It's illegal to sunbathe in your car in Holland?

--
td







Down near the ocean in the Eastern US, it's referred to as "going to the
submarine races".



Bruce J. Richman

George M. Middius wrote in message . ..

the ponderous, pedantic posturing of a pinhead like Slut?

George, I have caught you in flagrant delicto in the act of "pedantic
posturing"
about Buddhism. For the records :
"(The main debate being whether Buddhists believe in souls.)"

You are really a joke George, when you haven't anything intelligent to
say you should shut up.
Such a ****ty debate would remember me the stupid posturing of your
friend S888Wheel about art. George, you are ready to enter in the RAHE
family. Don't waste your time and you talent on RAO, I'm sure they
will be happy to have a solid member like you. ;-)

Sander deWaal a écrit :

(Lionel) said:


George M. Middius wrote in message


(The main debate being whether Buddhists believe in souls.)

You see Sander this is the perfect illustration of what we were
talking about.
The world is eager of "fast food" answers. Because we learn at school
that the result is more important than the process, and that to get
answers is the only way to the *success*.
I guess that *the* Buddhists don't care if *they* believe in souls or
not.
*BUT* I'm sure that they should be sorry to see that the subject is a
distracting enigm for the dandies. ;-(


I'm not sure I understand either your or George's post correctly, but
my answer is "probably". :-)

This is a very answer for me. ;-)

Sander deWaal a écrit :

George M. Middius said:


May I politely suggest that you follow your own instincts
rather than the ponderous, pedantic posturing of a pinhead like Slut?


Last time I followed my instincts, I ended up in jail.

Am I the only one here who hasn't got any problems with anyone?

Don't worry Sander you are not alone. I have only friends on RAO but
some of them cannot admit that. ;-)

I'm off the meds in a week or so, we'll see after that.

I hope you have a bottle of genievre in an emergency box.

Paul Dormer wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" emitted :

If you don't need the meds for a purely biological problem that can't be
treated in any other way (e.g. psychologically, herbally , nutritionally,
vitamins, etc.), I'd suggest you stay off the meds.

Live well and prosper !

This encapsulates my feeling toward 'meds'. Remember we discussed this
a few weeks back? I was unable to express my thoughts so succinctly...
you are the psych, after all :-)


Thank you.


I now have *another* acquaintance on Effexor. This one claims - thanks
to the miracles of modern medicine - to be "able to cope" and "fully
in control" of a drug addiction problem. He told me this *whilst*
consuming said drug. The actual fact of the matter is, his pattern of
use has gotten worse. He went to the doctor to address a problem, and
sure enough he's now oblivious to it...

Sunday, Monday, Happy Days..



Unfortunately, it's sometimes easier to just keep taking mood-altering durgs
and desensitize oneself from unwanted stressors that way, then to take a chance
on confronting the world au naturel, so to speak. FWIW, Effexor, at least, is
not physically addictive, nor are antidepressants in general, but that said,
some patients *can* build up a psychological dependence on them. Ideally,
problems like drug addiction should be treated psychologically and, if
necessary for medical reasons, detoxification under medical supervision should
also be included (e.g. heroin, heavy alchol use, narcotic pain killers like
Vicodin, Percoset, etc., as well as heavy benzodiazepene use, e.g. Ativan,
Xanax, Valium, etc.). Interestingly enough, cocaine does *not* require
medically supervised detoxification.






--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t









Bruce J. Richman

George M. Middius wrote:


Bruce J. Richman said:

Unfortunately, it's sometimes easier to just keep taking mood-altering
durgs
and desensitize oneself from unwanted stressors

That's all very interesting, but what about 'borg regression therapy?

Is that like primal scream therapy?

Or maybe age regression under hypnosis?


You were supposed to inform the group on the chances of, ahem, curing
the Krooborg rather than encouraging it to euthanize itself. Any
progress to report on that front?








Not unless the options can be submitted to double-blind testing with
independent proctoring by a group of vinyl- and tube-loving bigots. LOT's.
I'd buy off on that !

If iron knees killed !



Bruce J. Richman

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
...
"George M. Middius" emitted :

Most doctors don't consider pot to be a drug, you know.

You've gotta be joking..

No, I am serious. Maybe I should qualify, since I mentioned doctors.
Most don't view pot as a drug whose use has ramifications for treating
medical problems.

Oh.. you mean as a drug for prescription?

It's fairly widely reported by end users that cannabis has beneficial
properties and fewer side effects than alternative medications for
glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, various other pain treatment
etc. I would also add RLS (Ekbom syndrome) to the list.

Unfortunately, most of these are only anecdotes with no, (dare I say it)
double blind studies to back them up.

Of course the arcane laws in the UK have historically permitted the
use of morphine and cocaine, amongst other Class A drugs, but not the
evil naughty stuff. At some point in the past Pharma's were permitted
to trial cobbled together THC-free chemical formulations.. but apart
from potentially defeating the objective (removing the active
substance) nobody really has a preference for that over a natural
product, which can be relatively harmlessly ingested in spray form.

The UK government is progressively wielding to public pressure (common
sense) and more recently, trials and drug development are underway eg.
http://www.gwpharm.com/sativex.asp

That is very good news, perhaps the debate will end on it's medical uses.

I've never understood prohibition of research that didn't involve force.

I'm sure any doctor would agree that THC is a drug
inasmuch as it has mind-altering properties. But since it also lacks
almost all deleterious physical side effects,

Generally speaking..

But it can have a fairly pronounced cardiovascular effect.

Raises blood pressure.

It is
arguably implicated in psychological problems like psychosis and panic
attacks (which can in rare cases lead to more serious physical
complications in those suffering from heart conditions).

[As a side note, the UK government produced a report which indicated
MJ *enhances* driver safety.. but of course they tried to spin it..]

So did the State of Washington, but it was widely debunked.

most MDs dismiss it as
an aggravating factor for a whole range of other problems and
conditions. This is in sharp contrast to alcohol, tobacco, and all of
your shoot-up drugs. Those substances are medically serious.

Agreed...

Happy now?

Happy anyway, thanks :-)


--
I'd be happier if government let people live and die as they choose.

Paul Dormer wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" emitted :

I now have *another* acquaintance on Effexor. This one claims - thanks
to the miracles of modern medicine - to be "able to cope" and "fully
in control" of a drug addiction problem. He told me this *whilst*
consuming said drug. The actual fact of the matter is, his pattern of
use has gotten worse. He went to the doctor to address a problem, and
sure enough he's now oblivious to it...

Sunday, Monday, Happy Days..

Unfortunately, it's sometimes easier to just keep taking mood-altering durgs
and desensitize oneself from unwanted stressors that way, then to take a
chance
on confronting the world au naturel, so to speak. FWIW, Effexor, at least,
is
not physically addictive, nor are antidepressants in general, but that said,
some patients *can* build up a psychological dependence on them. Ideally,
problems like drug addiction should be treated psychologically and, if
necessary for medical reasons, detoxification under medical supervision
should
also be included (e.g. heroin, heavy alchol use, narcotic pain killers like
Vicodin, Percoset, etc., as well as heavy benzodiazepene use, e.g. Ativan,
Xanax, Valium, etc.). Interestingly enough, cocaine does *not* require
medically supervised detoxification.

All makes a lot of sense Bruce..

The problem now facing family and friends is how to support somebody
who is no longer down in the mouth and looking to make things better..
but rather wide eyed, bushy tailed and living in denial. Suggestions
that things may not be going according to plan are like water off a
ducks back. Worse still, he says Effexor is a bit like taking 'E', and
*enhances* the drug he's addicted to. What a mess..


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t








Sounds like a dicey situation, Paul. Your friend is probably right in a sense
about Effexor - it's an activating antidepressant which may give him more
energy. I'm sure you know that if he's in denial, and it sure sounds like he
is, there's not a hell of lot friends or family can do other than confront him
with it, and hope he eventually sees some negative consequences and decides to
get help.

Other than that, all I can suggest is to force him to listen to nothing but old
CD's with standard redbook mastering through an old CD player with no
innovative features. Also make sure he has no access to anything made out of
tubes or vinyl. Sort of like aversive conditioning a la Clockwork Orange.



Bruce J. Richman

The Devil said:

It had to do with certain activities in a car with the chairs all the
way down.
For some reason, that's not allowed even here in Holland. Strange.

It's illegal to sunbathe in your car in Holland?

Only for those grossly white British tourists.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Paul Dormer said:

Am I the only one here who hasn't got any problems with anyone?

What exactly do you mean by that..?? Huh?

My amps are better than yours. HAH!

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Lionel said:

Am I the only one here who hasn't got any problems with anyone?

Don't worry Sander you are not alone. I have only friends on RAO but
some of them cannot admit that. ;-)

Why don't we invite them all for a week's holiday in Europe?
You show them the "Quartier Latin", I'll show them the Red Light
District (what's left of it anyway).
The Devil is excluded of course. I can't hear anymore about the
alleged superiority of Quads and diamond-bottomed Siemens valves.

I'm off the meds in a week or so, we'll see after that.

I hope you have a bottle of genievre in an emergency box.

I don't drink alcohol, just LHM. Make s me all suspensy.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

The Devil said:

The Devil is excluded of course. I can't hear anymore about the
alleged superiority of Quads and diamond-bottomed Siemens valves.

Don't think I'm not taking notes on all this. Your 'perfid albion'
comment was also recorded.

Oh my. Did the pub close at 11 again?

I think I'm going to sue you. Have you ever had to deal with an 11-D
court document?

There's always the excuse that I was in the 12th at the moment they
were on my doorstep.
In other words, I think you make this all up.
You mustn't inhale those solder fumes too much, you know.

BTW the Jaguar XJS I went for was a bucket full of rust.
Sigh. Now I have to look for a Peugeot 504 Coupe V6 instead.
Life's a bitch sometimes.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

The Devil said:

Life's a vase of dead roses in radiant beams of sunshine.*

I think I'll turn to religion for relief.
Maybe I'll become a Cathode Follower.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

The Devil said:

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:27:04 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

I think I'll turn to religion for relief.
Maybe I'll become a Cathode Follower.

I prefer the bestial assertiveness of a stiff anode ****er circuit.

The "current" source is an option, I suppose? ;-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

The Devil said:

P.S. Howie came back! Yipeeeeee!!!!

There's a story about a fake airfield the Nazis built in WW2.
All hamgars, planes, tanks etc. made of wood.

One day, a RAF bomber flew over and dropped a bomb.
Just one.


A wooden one.


Whether true or not, one of the best war stories I've ever heard.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."