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The full text of this article is available from Google at
http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Google Groups - Posting Style Guide The Do's and Don'ts of Posting on Google Groups The easiest way to learn what's acceptable on Usenet is by watching how others use it. Once you've read a few hundred posts and witnessed a few flame wars erupt, you should get a feel for what's appropriate and what's not. To help you get there a bit faster (and to make sure you don't unintentionally set off a flame war of your own), we've included some basic tips that will help you fit into the Usenet community more easily. This guide is adapted from the very helpful "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community" by Chuq Von Rospach. For a more complete guide to Usenet posting rules, search on Google Groups for 'usenet posting rules' or just click here. The cheat sheet for posting on Usenet * Never forget that the person on the other side is human. * Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization. * Be careful what you say about others. * Be brief. * Write well. * Use descriptive subject lines. * Think about your audience. * Be careful with humor and sarcasm. * Only post a message once. * Use mail instead of posting a follow-up. * Summarize what you are following up. * Cite appropriate references. * Mark answers or spoilers. * Limit line length and avoid control characters. * Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. * Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups. Never forget that the person on the other side is human. Because your interaction is through a computer it is easy to forget that there are people "out there." Situations arise in which emotions erupt into a verbal free-for-all that can lead to hurt feelings. Please remember that people all over the world are reading your words. Do not attack people if you cannot persuade them with your presentation of the facts. If you are upset at something or someone, wait until you have had a chance to calm down and think about it. Try not to say anything to others you would not say to them in person in a room full of people. Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization. Many people who post to Usenet do so from machines at their office or school. Despite that, never assume that the person is speaking for the organization that they are posting their articles from (unless the person explicitly says so). Some people put explicit disclaimers to this effect in their messages, but this is a good general rule. If you find an article offensive, consider taking it up with the person directly, or ignoring it. Be careful what you say about others. You read these posts; so do millions of other people. This group quite possibly includes people you know and care about. Information posted on the net can come back to haunt you or the person you are talking about. Think twice before you post personal information about yourself or others. Posting personal information even in the most innocuous groups can be extremely hazardous. If you don't want it known by a large segment of the world's population, don't post it. Be brief. Never say in ten words what you can say in fewer. The longer you make your article, the fewer people will bother to read it. Write well. Most people on Usenet will know you only by what you say and how well you say it. Take the time to make sure your posting will not embarrass you later. Minimize spelling errors and make sure the article is easy to read and understand. Avoid the temptation to WRITE IN ALL CAPS when you want to make a point. Writing is an art that requires practice. You are your words on Usenet. Choose them carefully. Use descriptive subject lines. The subject line enables a person with limited time to decide whether or not to read your article. A title like "Car for Sale" posted to rec.autos doesn't convey as much as "66 MG Midget for sale: Campbell CA". Keep your subjects short and to the point. Think about your audience. When you post an article, think about the people you are trying to reach. Asking UNIX questions on rec.autos will not reach as many of the people you want to reach as if you asked them on comp.unix.questions or comp.unix.internals. Try to get the most appropriate audience for your message, not the widest. It is considered bad form to post to a general interest group like misc.misc, soc.net-people, or misc.wanted and then post the same message to some other, more targeted newsgroup. If it belongs in the targeted newsgroup, it does not belong in the broader one. If your message is of interest to a limited geographic area (apartments, car sales, meetings, concerts, etc...), restrict the distribution of the message to your local area. Look for newsgroups targeting users interested in your particular geographic region. Be familiar with the group you are posting to before you post. You shouldn't post to groups you do not read, or post to groups you've only read a few articles from - you may not be familiar with the ongoing conventions and themes of the group. One normally does not join a conversation by just walking up and talking. Instead, listen first and then join in if you have something pertinent to contribute. Be careful with humor and sarcasm. Without the voice inflections and body language of personal communications, it is easy for a remark meant to be funny to be misinterpreted. Subtle humor tends to get lost, so take steps to make sure that people realize you are trying to be funny. The net has developed symbols called emoticons to help convey emotions. A common one is :-) for a smiley face (look at it sideways) which should be interpreted as 'this is meant to be funny'. Be aware that frequently satire is posted without any explicit warnings. If you find an article outrageous, ask yourself if it may be intentionally inflammatory. Don't post a self-righteous rebuttal if you suspect someone is just fishing for users with low humor thresholds. Only post a message once. Avoid posting messages to more than one newsgroup unless you are sure it is appropriate. If you do post to multiple newsgroups, do not post to each group separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to more than one of those groups see the message once instead of having to wade through each copy. Use mail instead of posting a follow-up. Frequently, when someone asks a question, many people send out identical answers. This leads to congestion and confusion. It's better to email your answer directly to the poster and suggest they summarize to the network. That way, others only see a single copy of the answer, no matter how many people respond. Just click on the author's name in the article view to launch an email form. Summarize what you are following up. When you follow up an existing article, Google Groups includes the full article in quotes, with the cursor at the top of the article. Tempting though it is to just start typing your message, please STOP and do two things first. Look at the quoted text and delete parts that are irrelevant. Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing there. Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through your post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article. And if your reply appears on a site before the original article does, they'll get the gist of what you're talking about. Cite appropriate references. If you are using facts to support a cause, state where they came from. Don't take someone else's ideas and use them as your own. You don't want someone pretending that your ideas are theirs; show them the same respect. For example, much of this FAQ was derived from a post that has been widely disseminated across Usenet. You can find that post here. Mark answers and spoilers. When you post something that might spoil a surprise for other people (like a movie review that gives away the ending), please mark your message with a warning so that readers can skip the message if they don't want to know that particular detail. Limit line length and avoid control characters. Try to keep your lines of text to less than 80 characters for optimal readability. If people quote part of your article in a followup, short lines will show up better. Hitting return when you get to the end of the Google Groups entry form will put a line break after each 80 characters. Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it. Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups. Few things annoy Usenet readers as much as multiple copies of a posting appearing in multiple newsgroups (called "spamming"). A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine, but even with cross-posts, restraint is advised. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- There is also a brief history of usenet he http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/basics.html ....which includes this quotable quote: "It turns out there is such a thing as a stupid question. It's the one that gets asked right after someone answered it for the 100th time in a newsgroup discussion. Most discussion forums have a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section where commonly asked questions are posted and answered. You'll likely want to read this first upon entering a new group, to ensure your question isn't treated like spam (junk mail). Spammers frequently receive flame mail (heated retorts of a personally demeaning nature) directing them to please read the FAQ. One way to find the FAQ, is to enter "faq" and the name of the discussion forum in search box. You should get back a list of results containing the FAQ if one exists." -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and a half of knowledge. teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to good
use now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice.... "thelizman" wrote in message ... The full text of this article is available from Google at http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Google Groups - Posting Style Guide The Do's and Don'ts of Posting on Google Groups The easiest way to learn what's acceptable on Usenet is by watching how others use it. Once you've read a few hundred posts and witnessed a few flame wars erupt, you should get a feel for what's appropriate and what's not. To help you get there a bit faster (and to make sure you don't unintentionally set off a flame war of your own), we've included some basic tips that will help you fit into the Usenet community more easily. This guide is adapted from the very helpful "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community" by Chuq Von Rospach. For a more complete guide to Usenet posting rules, search on Google Groups for 'usenet posting rules' or just click here. The cheat sheet for posting on Usenet * Never forget that the person on the other side is human. * Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization. * Be careful what you say about others. * Be brief. * Write well. * Use descriptive subject lines. * Think about your audience. * Be careful with humor and sarcasm. * Only post a message once. * Use mail instead of posting a follow-up. * Summarize what you are following up. * Cite appropriate references. * Mark answers or spoilers. * Limit line length and avoid control characters. * Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. * Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups. Never forget that the person on the other side is human. Because your interaction is through a computer it is easy to forget that there are people "out there." Situations arise in which emotions erupt into a verbal free-for-all that can lead to hurt feelings. Please remember that people all over the world are reading your words. Do not attack people if you cannot persuade them with your presentation of the facts. If you are upset at something or someone, wait until you have had a chance to calm down and think about it. Try not to say anything to others you would not say to them in person in a room full of people. Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization. Many people who post to Usenet do so from machines at their office or school. Despite that, never assume that the person is speaking for the organization that they are posting their articles from (unless the person explicitly says so). Some people put explicit disclaimers to this effect in their messages, but this is a good general rule. If you find an article offensive, consider taking it up with the person directly, or ignoring it. Be careful what you say about others. You read these posts; so do millions of other people. This group quite possibly includes people you know and care about. Information posted on the net can come back to haunt you or the person you are talking about. Think twice before you post personal information about yourself or others. Posting personal information even in the most innocuous groups can be extremely hazardous. If you don't want it known by a large segment of the world's population, don't post it. Be brief. Never say in ten words what you can say in fewer. The longer you make your article, the fewer people will bother to read it. Write well. Most people on Usenet will know you only by what you say and how well you say it. Take the time to make sure your posting will not embarrass you later. Minimize spelling errors and make sure the article is easy to read and understand. Avoid the temptation to WRITE IN ALL CAPS when you want to make a point. Writing is an art that requires practice. You are your words on Usenet. Choose them carefully. Use descriptive subject lines. The subject line enables a person with limited time to decide whether or not to read your article. A title like "Car for Sale" posted to rec.autos doesn't convey as much as "66 MG Midget for sale: Campbell CA". Keep your subjects short and to the point. Think about your audience. When you post an article, think about the people you are trying to reach. Asking UNIX questions on rec.autos will not reach as many of the people you want to reach as if you asked them on comp.unix.questions or comp.unix.internals. Try to get the most appropriate audience for your message, not the widest. It is considered bad form to post to a general interest group like misc.misc, soc.net-people, or misc.wanted and then post the same message to some other, more targeted newsgroup. If it belongs in the targeted newsgroup, it does not belong in the broader one. If your message is of interest to a limited geographic area (apartments, car sales, meetings, concerts, etc...), restrict the distribution of the message to your local area. Look for newsgroups targeting users interested in your particular geographic region. Be familiar with the group you are posting to before you post. You shouldn't post to groups you do not read, or post to groups you've only read a few articles from - you may not be familiar with the ongoing conventions and themes of the group. One normally does not join a conversation by just walking up and talking. Instead, listen first and then join in if you have something pertinent to contribute. Be careful with humor and sarcasm. Without the voice inflections and body language of personal communications, it is easy for a remark meant to be funny to be misinterpreted. Subtle humor tends to get lost, so take steps to make sure that people realize you are trying to be funny. The net has developed symbols called emoticons to help convey emotions. A common one is :-) for a smiley face (look at it sideways) which should be interpreted as 'this is meant to be funny'. Be aware that frequently satire is posted without any explicit warnings. If you find an article outrageous, ask yourself if it may be intentionally inflammatory. Don't post a self-righteous rebuttal if you suspect someone is just fishing for users with low humor thresholds. Only post a message once. Avoid posting messages to more than one newsgroup unless you are sure it is appropriate. If you do post to multiple newsgroups, do not post to each group separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to more than one of those groups see the message once instead of having to wade through each copy. Use mail instead of posting a follow-up. Frequently, when someone asks a question, many people send out identical answers. This leads to congestion and confusion. It's better to email your answer directly to the poster and suggest they summarize to the network. That way, others only see a single copy of the answer, no matter how many people respond. Just click on the author's name in the article view to launch an email form. Summarize what you are following up. When you follow up an existing article, Google Groups includes the full article in quotes, with the cursor at the top of the article. Tempting though it is to just start typing your message, please STOP and do two things first. Look at the quoted text and delete parts that are irrelevant. Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing there. Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through your post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article. And if your reply appears on a site before the original article does, they'll get the gist of what you're talking about. Cite appropriate references. If you are using facts to support a cause, state where they came from. Don't take someone else's ideas and use them as your own. You don't want someone pretending that your ideas are theirs; show them the same respect. For example, much of this FAQ was derived from a post that has been widely disseminated across Usenet. You can find that post here. Mark answers and spoilers. When you post something that might spoil a surprise for other people (like a movie review that gives away the ending), please mark your message with a warning so that readers can skip the message if they don't want to know that particular detail. Limit line length and avoid control characters. Try to keep your lines of text to less than 80 characters for optimal readability. If people quote part of your article in a followup, short lines will show up better. Hitting return when you get to the end of the Google Groups entry form will put a line break after each 80 characters. Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it. Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups. Few things annoy Usenet readers as much as multiple copies of a posting appearing in multiple newsgroups (called "spamming"). A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine, but even with cross-posts, restraint is advised. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- There is also a brief history of usenet he http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/basics.html ...which includes this quotable quote: "It turns out there is such a thing as a stupid question. It's the one that gets asked right after someone answered it for the 100th time in a newsgroup discussion. Most discussion forums have a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section where commonly asked questions are posted and answered. You'll likely want to read this first upon entering a new group, to ensure your question isn't treated like spam (junk mail). Spammers frequently receive flame mail (heated retorts of a personally demeaning nature) directing them to please read the FAQ. One way to find the FAQ, is to enter "faq" and the name of the discussion forum in search box. You should get back a list of results containing the FAQ if one exists." -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and a half of knowledge. teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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![]() "delvryboy" wrote in message ... it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to good use now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice.... snip If you're going to stay here, you're going to have to learn that sancho is going to pick on you, but that's half the fun of the RAC experience. -- narcolept teamROCS #135 Visit the teamROCS forums at: http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio |
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delvryboy wrote:
it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to good use now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice.... You're clueless. I copied that from Google. I even posted the links and attribution. It would have taken you and all your CAF buddies 30 seconds of effort (god forbid) to find that. It is incumbent upon you to make sure you are conforming to the expectations of this forum, not the other way around. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and a half of knowledge. teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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![]() "narcolept" wrote in message ... "delvryboy" wrote in message ... it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to good use now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice.... snip If you're going to stay here, you're going to have to learn that sancho is going to pick on you, but that's half the fun of the RAC experience. and, MOTHER****ER, i'm pretty !!! |
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thelizman wrote:
*delvryboy wrote: it's about time someone took their so called experience and put i to good use now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to pla nice.... You're clueless. I copied that from Google. I even posted the links and attribution It would have taken you and all your CAF buddies 30 seconds of effor (god forbid) to find that. It is incumbent upon you to make sure you are conforming to the expectations of this forum, not the other wa around.* Yes and no. Forum participation... There are some typical things, do's and don'ts. What you say, and dont' say. Don't spam, don't flame... etc. What your complaints have been are more with regard to things tha aren't familiar to us. For example, how would we know to look to Google for instructions o how to post to Usenet? You'd need to be familiar with Usenet to even know that much. And you'd need to be familiar with RAC to even know it was on Usenet! That's actually TWO layers removed... There's been no respect for that here, by you. Consider how we're getting he It's a lot like walking down the street, seeing a cool looking bar with a big arrow at the top pointing to down to it, blinking light like Vegas's Fremont Street, saying "Enter Here!". So... you enter! ...And immediately upon entering, you literally get "Damn you, man.. you *******! How dare you use THAT door, you ignorant *******! Yo suck for using THAT door, what is wrong with you? God, I don't kno how people like you exist in the world!" ...and in the meantime, you are scanning around this room, not seein any other doors in or out... Understand? ;- - geolemo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/showthr...threadid=17914 |
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geolemon wrote:
Consider how we're getting he It's a lot like walking down the street, seeing a cool looking bar, with a big arrow at the top pointing to down to it, blinking lights like Vegas's Fremont Street, saying "Enter Here!". So... you enter! ..And immediately upon entering, you literally get "Damn you, man... you *******! How dare you use THAT door, you ignorant *******! You suck for using THAT door, what is wrong with you? God, I don't know how people like you exist in the world!" You left out the part where you walked, took your pants off, and crapped on the bar, then proceeded to **** on the bar patrons. Your analogy sucks. You and your fellow CAFers trashed this forum, then wonder why you were met with hostility? ..and in the meantime, you are scanning around this room, not seeing any other doors in or out... Understand? ;-) The "door out" is to not use the RAC gateway on CAF. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and a half of knowledge. teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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![]() "geolemon" wrote in message s.com... Consider how we're getting he we have... It's a lot like walking down the street, seeing a cool looking bar, with a big arrow at the top pointing to down to it, blinking lights like Vegas's Fremont Street, saying "Enter Here!". So... you enter! snip we didn't put that door there !!! -- sancho understand why we're upset? |
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sancho wrote:
* It's a lot like walking down the street, seeing a cool lookin bar, with a big arrow at the top pointing to down to it, blinkin lights like Vegas's Fremont Street, saying "Enter Here!". So... you enter! snip we didn't put that door there !!! -- sancho understand why we're upset? * No... Because you didn't build the bar, either. You are, in fact, a guest yourself - at a very public facility. You didn't put that door there... Nor did you put the door in that -you- happen to use. Understand why such disregard of those whining? ;-) But yes, I do understand your point, from the position of your stance your attitude with regard to what you personally perceive to be "th right way". So "yes". But that's without respect for options... without which, this countr would be a dictatorship, no voting, only "one way (or the highway)". The closed-minded stance, if you will. At least, from my pro-progression standpoint. ;-) All that means is - we don't have to agree. And there's nothing that either of us can do - besides trying to dra the other one to "the dark side of the force" by convincing the othe of the virtues of their "way".. But that hasn't gone on. All that's gone on is a childish taunting, from the other side of th wall. And I'll tell you - that certainly doesn't make me want to come over t your side of the wall. ;- - geolemo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/showthr...threadid=17946 |
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![]() "geolemon" wrote in message s.com... All that means is - we don't have to agree. And there's nothing that either of us can do - besides trying to draw the other one to "the dark side of the force" by convincing the other of the virtues of their "way".. godamnit, you pretentious ****... your way doesn't work your way is b0rked it's ****ery it does not conform to usenet protocol... if you want to post to usenet use a usenet client... it's not just me or lizard you're ****ing with, it's the basic structure of the communication medium you are attempting to use... the problems it causes aren't just on our end... i'm sure it's more annoying for you people to have to sort through all those broken threads and manually quote, etc. JUST ****ING QUIT IT -- sancho |
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![]() "I. Care" wrote in message t... In article m, Just my humble opinion. Subject line not changed so CAssF won't see a broken link. they don't really get a 'broken link' they get a brand spankin' new thread... and when they reply, we get a broken one... -- sancho |
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geolemon wrote:
No... Because you didn't build the bar, either. No, but we are the patronage, and if the owner were around, he'd kick you out. You are, in fact, a guest yourself - at a very public facility. This is a private facility with public access. But yes, I do understand your point, from the position of your stance, your attitude with regard to what you personally perceive to be "the right way". So "yes". It's not a matter of "perception". It's a matter of fact. snip - alot of irrelevent drivel Just get it through your head that usenet and rac in particular has a number of predefined conventions, and you do not violate those conventions simply because you feel like it. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and a half of knowledge. teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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