[H-Bomb]

I posted last month about wanting to replacing my home 5-disc cd player.
It's a component player, not a portable. What I'd like my player to have as
far as features go is the
ability to change discs while one is playing and to accomodate mp3 cds. It
can be a 5 or 6 disc player. I have zero need to have a multi-disc DVD
player. However, I've noticed that just about any DVD player out there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a pure
audio cd player anymore. Sure, they're out there, but mostly I see DVD
players.

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Thank you for your thoughts.

[bassett]

"H-Bomb" wrote in message However, I've
noticed that just about any DVD player out there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a pure
audio cd player anymore.

Really, It does depend on where you look,, Spotlight don't sell-um, But
any half desent Hi Fi emporium does, [ A short note to mr packer, I've been
practicing that word, and have finaly used it ] Just avoid places like
Hardly Normal, Retrovision and JB Hi Fi

Sure, they're out there, but mostly I see DVD players.

In Big W, Dick Smiths and your local two dollar shops, no doubt.

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if
buying a DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my
stereo (my TV & DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any
problems in terms of quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse?
I can't imagine it'd be noticeably better.

O'dear,, O'Well as long as your happy. But try and find a decent Hi Fi
shop, and have a listen on some good quality kit, take a few of your own
CD's and I can assure you, you WILL hear the difference.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Then have a bit of a read on here,,, http://forum.aushifi.com

bassett

[Eeyore]

H-Bomb wrote:

What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Some of them are very good but I can't imagine why you'd want to substitute a
DVD player for a CD player in an audio-only context ! Unless it's because you
want to play mp3s too maybe ? I dare say many CD players do this now too.

Graham

[paul packer]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:56:59 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:



H-Bomb wrote:

What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Some of them are very good but I can't imagine why you'd want to substitute a
DVD player for a CD player in an audio-only context !

One of the reasons could be that it's damned hard to find a CD player
these days. Except on Ebay of course.

[Eeyore]

paul packer wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:56:59 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
H-Bomb wrote:

What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Some of them are very good but I can't imagine why you'd want to substitute a
DVD player for a CD player in an audio-only context !

One of the reasons could be that it's damned hard to find a CD player
these days. Except on Ebay of course.

Shows how out of touch I am !

Bless my DCD1700.

Graham

[MiNe 109]

In article . net,
"H-Bomb" wrote:

I posted last month about wanting to replacing my home 5-disc cd player.
It's a component player, not a portable. What I'd like my player to have as
far as features go is the
ability to change discs while one is playing and to accomodate mp3 cds. It
can be a 5 or 6 disc player. I have zero need to have a multi-disc DVD
player. However, I've noticed that just about any DVD player out there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a pure
audio cd player anymore. Sure, they're out there, but mostly I see DVD
players.

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Sony still makes cd changers.

Although I'm suspicious of dvd video circuitry's possible effects on
audio quality, I like my Pioneer universal player.

Stephen

[Eeyore]

MiNe 109 wrote:

In article . net,
"H-Bomb" wrote:

I posted last month about wanting to replacing my home 5-disc cd player.
It's a component player, not a portable. What I'd like my player to have as
far as features go is the
ability to change discs while one is playing and to accomodate mp3 cds. It
can be a 5 or 6 disc player. I have zero need to have a multi-disc DVD
player. However, I've noticed that just about any DVD player out there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a pure
audio cd player anymore. Sure, they're out there, but mostly I see DVD
players.

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Sony still makes cd changers.

Although I'm suspicious of dvd video circuitry's possible effects on
audio quality, I like my Pioneer universal player.

Hmmmmm.

Maybe I should 'audition' my own Pioneer DVD player against my old stalwart of a
Denon CD player ( DCD1700 ) ?

Graham

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

MiNe 109 wrote:

In article . net,
"H-Bomb" wrote:

I posted last month about wanting to replacing my home 5-disc cd player.
It's a component player, not a portable. What I'd like my player to have
as
far as features go is the
ability to change discs while one is playing and to accomodate mp3 cds.
It
can be a 5 or 6 disc player. I have zero need to have a multi-disc DVD
player. However, I've noticed that just about any DVD player out there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a
pure
audio cd player anymore. Sure, they're out there, but mostly I see DVD
players.

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if
buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV
&
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd
be
noticeably better.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Sony still makes cd changers.

Although I'm suspicious of dvd video circuitry's possible effects on
audio quality, I like my Pioneer universal player.

Hmmmmm.

Maybe I should 'audition' my own Pioneer DVD player against my old stalwart
of a Denon CD player ( DCD1700 ) ?

Sure! If you can disable the video circuitry, that would level the
playing field somewhat. Some have reported that turning off the digital
output helps the Pioneer 563 cd playback quality.

I'm going to try my Pioneer in the main system for two-channel SACD as
an experiment. Maybe I'll throw in a cd or two while I'm at it.

I don't it's posted online yet, but the September Stereophile has an
interview with Bob Stuart in which he mentions some of the difficulties
of designing for both audio and video in the same box.

Stephen

[Eeyore]

MiNe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
MiNe 109 wrote:
In article . net,
"H-Bomb" wrote:

I posted last month about wanting to replacing my home 5-disc cd player.
It's a component player, not a portable. What I'd like my player to have
as far as features go is the ability to change discs while one is playing
and
to accomodate mp3 cds.
It can be a 5 or 6 disc player. I have zero need to have a multi-disc
DVD
player. However, I've noticed that just about any DVD player out there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a
pure audio cd player anymore. Sure, they're out there, but mostly I see
DVD players.

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if
buying a DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo

(my TV & DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems
in terms of quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't
imagine it'd be noticeably better.

Well..... actually, a modern DVD player will have latest electronic 'wizardy' and
converters are getting ever better at the budget end ( they used to be fairly
rubbish but not so much now ).


Thank you for your thoughts.

Sony still makes cd changers.

Although I'm suspicious of dvd video circuitry's possible effects on
audio quality, I like my Pioneer universal player.

Hmmmmm.

Maybe I should 'audition' my own Pioneer DVD player against my old stalwart
of a Denon CD player ( DCD1700 ) ?

Sure! If you can disable the video circuitry, that would level the
playing field somewhat. Some have reported that turning off the digital
output helps the Pioneer 563 cd playback quality.

My Denon even has a switch to turn off the digital out ! Not that I've ever
noticed any difference.


I'm going to try my Pioneer in the main system for two-channel SACD as
an experiment. Maybe I'll throw in a cd or two while I'm at it.

My Pioneer is a DV360. My only reason for buying that one at the time was that I
wanted a black one and preferably region-free and it fulfilled both requirements
for a mere £45 IIRC ( returned or repaired stock ). Only later did I discover that
it's had quite decent reviews.


I don't it's posted online yet, but the September Stereophile has an
interview with Bob Stuart in which he mentions some of the difficulties
of designing for both audio and video in the same box.

I can imagine a few issues there for sure !

Graham

[Howard Ferstler]

H-Bomb wrote:

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Not any better, for sure. However, I have also yet to notice
any sonic defects with CD playback from any of the DVD
players I have fooled with or reviewed. Interestingly, I
recently auditioned a Panasonic DVD recorder/VCR combo
device that had the best defect tracking abilities of any
disc playback device I have ever tried and sounded as good
as any CD or DVD player I have encountered. (Yeah, I am one
of those people who think that most good players, be they CD
or DVD, sound pretty much the same.) The advantage of
obtaining a DVD player is that it will work for you down the
line, should you decide to install a TV monitor in your
audio set up.

However, if you do not want a player with superfluous
features that you would find annoying a CD device would be
the obvious choice. One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Regarding the flexibility of DVD player use, I should note
that a "conventional" DVD player will not play an SACD disc.
The player, being a DVD unit, will ignore the CD layer that
is configured for CD players and its circuitry will not be
able to handle the info on the SACD layer that it might be
able to track. On the other hand, a conventional DVD player
will be able to play the alternate DD or DTS surround-music
tracks on a DVD-A disc. DVD-A has that edge, if none other.

If you think that you would eventually want to obtain some
SACD (Sony super audio) releases to listen to their
two-channel CD or multichannel SACD tracks (assuming that
the format lasts long enough for discs to remain available
for sale), you have to use either a CD player or SACD
capable DVD player. Shop with that in mind.

Howard Ferstler

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

MiNe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
MiNe 109 wrote:
In article . net,
"H-Bomb" wrote:

I posted last month about wanting to replacing my home 5-disc cd
player.
It's a component player, not a portable. What I'd like my player to
have
as far as features go is the ability to change discs while one is
playing
and
to accomodate mp3 cds.
It can be a 5 or 6 disc player. I have zero need to have a
multi-disc
DVD
player. However, I've noticed that just about any DVD player out
there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a
pure audio cd player anymore. Sure, they're out there, but mostly I
see
DVD players.

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if
buying a DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my
stereo

(my TV & DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems
in terms of quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I
can't
imagine it'd be noticeably better.

Well..... actually, a modern DVD player will have latest electronic 'wizardy'
and
converters are getting ever better at the budget end ( they used to be fairly
rubbish but not so much now ).


Thank you for your thoughts.

Sony still makes cd changers.

Although I'm suspicious of dvd video circuitry's possible effects on
audio quality, I like my Pioneer universal player.

Hmmmmm.

Maybe I should 'audition' my own Pioneer DVD player against my old
stalwart
of a Denon CD player ( DCD1700 ) ?

Sure! If you can disable the video circuitry, that would level the
playing field somewhat. Some have reported that turning off the digital
output helps the Pioneer 563 cd playback quality.

My Denon even has a switch to turn off the digital out ! Not that I've ever
noticed any difference.

I think I can dim my display, too. There's the real reason audiophiles
listen in the dark.

I'm going to try my Pioneer in the main system for two-channel SACD as
an experiment. Maybe I'll throw in a cd or two while I'm at it.

My Pioneer is a DV360. My only reason for buying that one at the time was
that I wanted a black one and preferably region-free and it fulfilled both
requirements
for a mere £45 IIRC ( returned or repaired stock ). Only later did I discover
that it's had quite decent reviews.

There's good luck for you. Cue jj and his purple polka-dotted
speakers...

I don't it's posted online yet, but the September Stereophile has an
interview with Bob Stuart in which he mentions some of the difficulties
of designing for both audio and video in the same box.

I can imagine a few issues there for sure !

Considering the criticism even top of the line players get, there must
be.

I've been reading about digital amp receivers whose manufacturers (Sony,
H-K) tout reducing internal heat as a big advantage along with the
mostly all-digital signal path. Real benefit, or a justification to use
even cheaper electronics?

Stephen

[Eeyore]

Howard Ferstler wrote:

One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Is that just a USA thing ?

Plenty here in the UK e.g.
http://www.richersounds.co.uk/produc...S&s ort=price

Graham

[Bill Riel]

In article ,
says...


Howard Ferstler wrote:

One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Is that just a USA thing ?

Plenty here in the UK e.g.
http://www.richersounds.co.uk/produc...S&s ort=price

No, you can get affordable CD players. The lower end Denons are quite
good and don't cost much for example.

For the OP: nothing wrong with using a DVD player as a CD player in
terms of sound quality. My only annoyance with them is that usually they
are kind of slow when accessing or skipping tracks compared to CD
players.

Bill

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Howard Ferstler wrote:

One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Is that just a USA thing ?

Plenty here in the UK e.g.
http://www.richersounds.co.uk/produc...roup=CDPLAYERS
&sort=price

Howard doesn't get out much. Circuit City, Best Buy and the like still
have them, but it's true that dvd players (and universal players) are
prevalent.

Stephen

[dizzy]

paul packer wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:56:59 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

H-Bomb wrote:

What I'm wondering is if buying a
DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my stereo (my TV &
DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any problems in terms of
quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse? I can't imagine it'd be
noticeably better.

Some of them are very good but I can't imagine why you'd want to substitute a
DVD player for a CD player in an audio-only context !

One of the reasons could be that it's damned hard to find a CD player
these days. Except on Ebay of course.

Nonsense. It's very easy to find new CD players.

The problem is that they charge you 3X the price, compared to a DVD
player with tons more features.

I hate the way DVD players FF CD's, though.

[Howard Ferstler]

Eeyore wrote:

Howard Ferstler wrote:

One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Is that just a USA thing ?

Plenty here in the UK.

Give it time. Over here, we are already seeing HD DVD
players on store shelves - even at Best Buy. In a few years,
even standard DVD players will be hard to locate.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

MiNe 109 wrote:

Howard doesn't get out much. Circuit City, Best Buy and the like still
have them, but it's true that dvd players (and universal players) are
prevalent.

Yep, and now that even Best Buy is selling HD DVD players,
the new, out of box CD player's time on earth is fading
fast. At least I get out enough to spot that trend.

No big deal. The DVD player works just fine.

Howard Ferstler

[paul packer]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:25:00 -0700, Bill Riel wrote:

In article ,
om says...


Howard Ferstler wrote:

One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Is that just a USA thing ?

Plenty here in the UK e.g.
http://www.richersounds.co.uk/produc...S&s ort=price

No, you can get affordable CD players. The lower end Denons are quite
good and don't cost much for example.

For the OP: nothing wrong with using a DVD player as a CD player in
terms of sound quality. My only annoyance with them is that usually they
are kind of slow when accessing or skipping tracks compared to CD
players.

Bill


Yes, that's really annoying. They're slow overall, right from
start-up. Plus they keep switching themselves off every twenty
minutes.

[Harry Lavo]

"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Howard Ferstler wrote:

One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Is that just a USA thing ?

Plenty here in the UK e.g.
http://www.richersounds.co.uk/produc...S&s ort=price

Graham


Graham, you've got to understand.....Howard considers it is affordable only
if it retails for $39.95 or less.

[bassett]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Howard Ferstler wrote:

One problem is that it might be hard
these days to even find an affordable CD player.

Is that just a USA thing ?

Plenty here in the UK e.g.
http://www.richersounds.co.uk/produc...S&s ort=price

Graham


Graham, you've got to understand.....Howard considers it is affordable
only if it retails for $39.95 or less.
Well there you go, explains everything, Nothing more needs to be said.
bassett

[paul packer]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:34:49 +1000, "bassett"
wrote:


"H-Bomb" wrote in message However, I've
noticed that just about any DVD player out there
plays CD audio discs in addition to a wide variety of other formats
including mp3 discs. Plus, it's increasingly difficult to even buy a pure
audio cd player anymore.

Really, It does depend on where you look,, Spotlight don't sell-um, But
any half desent Hi Fi emporium does,

In many areas of Oz there aren't any Hi-Fi emporiums. Certainly
outside of the metro areas.

[ A short note to mr packer, I've been
practicing that word, and have finaly used it ]

Er....which one?

Just avoid places like
Hardly Normal, Retrovision and JB Hi Fi

That goes without saying.

Sure, they're out there, but mostly I see DVD players.

In Big W, Dick Smiths and your local two dollar shops, no doubt.

There's a DVD player in my local $2 shop. Wow! Where's this?

I'm not a audiophile, but I can be picky. What I'm wondering is if
buying a DVD player instead of a cd player and using it just for my
stereo (my TV & DVD aren't used with my audio setup) will pose any
problems in terms of quality? Will sound quality be the same or worse?
I can't imagine it'd be noticeably better.

O'dear,, O'Well as long as your happy. But try and find a decent Hi Fi
shop, and have a listen on some good quality kit, take a few of your own
CD's and I can assure you, you WILL hear the difference.

I'm not convinced of that. I think many, perhaps most people would be
perfectly satisfied with CDs played on a quality DVD player. I'm not
saying there's no difference, but to all intents and purposes that
difference would be negligible to all but the cognoscenti.

(That last is a new word for you to practice).

[George M. Middius]

bassett said:

desent

[ A short note to mr packer, I've been
practicing that word, and have finaly used it ]

Need more practice.



--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[paul packer]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:42:33 -0400, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



bassett said:

desent

[ A short note to mr packer, I've been
practicing that word, and have finaly used it ]

Need more practice.

In many areas. Bassett is a charismatic pooch that we're trying to
train into a human being. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

Need more practice.

In many areas. Bassett is a charismatic pooch that we're trying to
train into a human being. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

As you know, we have our own canine burden on RAO, but charismatic is not
a term anybody would use to describe him. Training-resistant, definitely;
less generous ones, all the time. But never charismatic.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Bill Riel]

In article ,
says...

Yes, that's really annoying. They're slow overall, right from
start-up. Plus they keep switching themselves off every twenty
minutes.

Really? My cheapie panasonic DVD player doesn't do that. It's slow as
molasses and I don't use it in an audio only setup, but I've never
noticed it switching off on its own.

--
Bill

[Eeyore]

Soundhaspriority wrote:

A few years back, there was a comparative test of DVD players for use as
transports with external DACs. It was found that many players have
unacceptably high levels of jitter on digital outputs. However, Pioneer DVD
players were excellent. I believe Toshibas were rather poor in this
measurement.

A decently designed DAC should filter the jitter though ( actually that'll be in
the clock-recovery circuitry ).


Graham

[paul packer]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:29:01 -0700, Bill Riel wrote:

In article ,
says...

Yes, that's really annoying. They're slow overall, right from
start-up. Plus they keep switching themselves off every twenty
minutes.

Really? My cheapie panasonic DVD player doesn't do that. It's slow as
molasses and I don't use it in an audio only setup, but I've never
noticed it switching off on its own.

Yes. I have a Panasonic and it doesn't switch off. My Pioneer does,
however.

[paul packer]

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:25:02 -0400, "Soundhaspriority"
wrote:


"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


paul packer said:

Need more practice.

In many areas. Bassett is a charismatic pooch that we're trying to
train into a human being. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

As you know, we have our own canine burden on RAO, but charismatic is not
a term anybody would use to describe him. Training-resistant, definitely;
less generous ones, all the time. But never charismatic.

Scottie's most endearing trait is a tendency to pee on shoes.

I believe that's beneficial for leather.

[Arny Krueger]

"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
...

A few years back, there was a comparative test of DVD players for use as
transports with external DACs. It was found that many players have
unacceptably high levels of jitter on digital outputs.

It is probable that their own analog outputs had less jitter.

However, Pioneer DVD players were excellent. I believe Toshibas were
rather poor in this measurement.

Any well-designed DAC will not be degraded by a digital input that has lots
of jitter. Once upon a time DACs were susceptible to this, but now even the
digital input on a low-cost surround receiver can handle this sitaution.