Hello,

Im new in the world of top-notch audio, so Id like to ask you a
question by email about system design.

I dont have a very high budget, Im looking at spending about $1000 on
infinity beta 50 speakers (Ive tried these with different pieces of
equipment and like the sound), and also buying a Hsu subwoofer, and
then a CD player and receiver. For watching movies, Ill just do
2-channel sound with a sub, at least for now, as I dont want to spend
money on all of the 5.1 or 7.1 speakers and whatnot.

But where Im really tied up is in the receiver and Cd player choices.
I have quite a few CDs, and a lot of MP3 music. I like a wide variety
of rock, soul, jazz and classical type music. I dont know if for a
newbie, Im better off buying a stereo receiver or an AV receiver.

The stereo receiver at the same price (Im thinking Yamaha RX-797) as an
AV receiver (yamaha RX-V659) should have better component quality,
design quality, and sound quality, right? But that said, am I really
just splitting hairs, especially since I dont have speakers that cost
thousands of dollars each, nor do I have a super high quality component
for doing anything else?

One example of a tie-up that causes me to be unsure is picking a CD
player and receiver. Do I want to buy a CD player that has a top-notch
DAC, and feed it into a stereo receiver, or would I be better off just
getting a cd player that has digital out, and using a good AV receiver
(the RX-V659 for example, has 24 bit burr-brown DACs on all channels).


MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

While I can be sure that at a same price point, a stereo receiver will
have better innards than an AV equivalent, is 0.06% THD really any
different than 0.019%? I am an engineer, so understand design
tradeoffs, but Im not an electrical engineer... will the amps and DACs
that have to do multiple tasks in an AV receiver have a shorter life
because they do more, as compared to the supposedly better designed and
laid out components in a same price stereo receiver? If the AV
receiver has a 'pure direct' option, wouldnt either using that with a
decent DAC from a good CD player, or else sending coax digital in and
using the internal AVR
's burr-brown DAC create as good a sound as any stereo receiver that Id
buy for roughly the same price?

Any insight on such situations would be most appreciated. I want bang
for the buck, but given that I will use my sstem 85% for music and only
15% for everything else... I want to make sure that I make the right
choice. The AVR gives me long term upgradability if I want to do the
home theatre thing... but is only a good deal if it can do hi-fi for
newbies half decently...

What do you think?

Thanks,

JMH

In article , "JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

Bob

In article .com,
"JMH" wrote:

Any insight on such situations would be most appreciated. I want bang
for the buck, but given that I will use my sstem 85% for music and only
15% for everything else... I want to make sure that I make the right
choice. The AVR gives me long term upgradability if I want to do the
home theatre thing... but is only a good deal if it can do hi-fi for
newbies half decently...

What do you think?

The Infinities look like a good choice, if the reviews are anything to
go by.

My preference is stereo. In addition to the Yamaha, you might look at
integrated amps (NAD, Marantz, Rotel) in approximately the same price
range. You could do NAD BEE series cd and integrated for less than what
you are paying for the speakers.

Don't sweat over where the DAC is!

Stephen

Robert Morein wrote:
In article , "JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

In article .com,
"Ayn Marx" wrote:

Robert Morein wrote:
In article , "JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

Agreed.

In article .com,
says...

Robert Morein wrote:
In article , "JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

While that is true - the post you are responding to is forged.

--
Bill

"Ayn Marx" ;-) said:

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

Are you seriously calling Bwian Mc****face a "guru"? Must be something in
the water down there in Oz.






--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

On Tue, 23 May 2006 17:56:43 -0700, Ayn Marx proclaimed:


Robert Morein wrote:
In article , "JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then
feeding RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some
data stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music
enhancer to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how
you process them? They're stolen, as well.
Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults, they
miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end audio is
seen as the domain of lunatics.

Ironically, and frankly - you're a classic example Ayn.



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Ummm my MP3s arent stolen... theyre ripped from MY CDs, at 192.

I'm not buying a 300CD changer, and so MP3 is a convenient way to play
them, if you have a better idea, chime in instead of being oh so
enlightened but having nothing of worth to say.

They may not be top notch in a CD or better sense, but I want them, and
CDs, and DVDs and all else to play as well as I can, given budget
constraints... so hard, nope, dont think so... Youre justa doofus.

Now I remember why I dont use newsgroups anymore... Go ahead and troll
around here, is the only thing that gives you joy insulting people when
they come new to this newsgroup?

Dont bother to answer, jerk, I wont be reading it.

Go ahead and die, nobody will care.

Before I go, to MINe 109 and Ayn Marx... thanks very much for your
prompt replies.

And to Robert Morein: well, we all know what you can do... sorry I said
"email" instead of "newsgroup post" do you really have nothing better
to do than to troll around and write useless, bandwidth wastng replies?

Dont worry, I wont read your replies to this one either... but I just
had to thank those that replied and remind you of how much of a
worthless idiot you are. good luck in life.

"Ayn Marx" wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein wrote:
In article , "JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

It's a forgery by Brian L. McCarty.
Notice it comes from Highwinds Media, an Australian outfit:
Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx 01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.28.186 .75.MISMATCH!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!news.highwinds-media.com!hw-filter.phx!newsfe04.phx.highwinds-media.com.POSTED!976fb0cf!not-for-mail

Jenn, please defend me.

Bob Morein

"JMH" wrote in message
oups.com...
Ummm my MP3s arent stolen... theyre ripped from MY CDs, at 192.

I'm not buying a 300CD changer, and so MP3 is a convenient way to play
them, if you have a better idea, chime in instead of being oh so
enlightened but having nothing of worth to say.

They may not be top notch in a CD or better sense, but I want them, and
CDs, and DVDs and all else to play as well as I can, given budget
constraints... so hard, nope, dont think so... Youre justa doofus.

It's a forgery by Brian L. McCarty. I'm sorry you received such abuse.

"JMH" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello,

Im new in the world of top-notch audio, so Id like to ask you a
question by email about system design.

Dear JMH,
Please disregard the forgery. I would like to help you reach your
decision. The problem with receivers is that they simply do not sound as
good as the specs indicate. If at all possible, look at a separate amplifier
from a reputable company. To feed it, you can use:
1. A good audiophile CD player, such as one of the Sony ES series, a Rotel,
NAD, or other.
2. A consumer level player, perhaps a DVD, feeding a high quality DAC.

As far as the preamp and amp, I can tell you that the plainer, uglier, and
heavier they are, the better they sound. A classic bargain is the Hafler
DH-110 preamp and a DH or XL series power amplifier. These provide
extraordinary sound at a price you can afford.

I use Yamaha HT units for surround synthesis. However, I have never been
satisfied with Yamaha amplification. Some Pioneer receivers have MOSFET
output stages, and sound pretty good. There are a couple of Sony stereo
receivers made in the early 90's that were exceptional. Other than that, the
only receiver I have ever heard that sounds good is the Nakamichi TA-4,
which has a Nelson Pass "Stasis" amplifier design.

Stay away from modern receivers. They do not please the senses.

Bob Morein

In article ,
"Robert Morein" wrote:

"Ayn Marx" wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein wrote:
In article , "JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

It's a forgery by Brian L. McCarty.
Notice it comes from Highwinds Media, an Australian outfit:
Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx 01.iad01.newshosting.com!new
shosting.com!69.28.186.75.MISMATCH!hwmnpeer01.lga! hwmedia!news.highwinds-media
.com!hw-filter.phx!newsfe04.phx.highwinds-media.com.POSTED!976fb0cf!not-for-ma
il

Jenn, please defend me.

Bob Morein

I frankly haven't been following all of the forgery situation closely.
But from what I know, the post I responded to was a forgery. The person
responding above (presuming that I have this all straight) has been
nothing but kind and considerate. What a bore this whole this is.
Sorry, Bob; you seem like a good guy.

"JMH" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello,

Im new in the world of top-notch audio, so Id like to ask you a
question by email about system design.

I dont have a very high budget, Im looking at spending about $1000 on
infinity beta 50 speakers (Ive tried these with different pieces of
equipment and like the sound),

I'm not familiar with the speakers so I can't comment
but if you heard them and like them they must be good .

and also buying a Hsu subwoofer, and

I have Hsu myself, the VTF-2. I think they do a fine
job.

then a CD player and receiver. For watching movies, Ill just do
2-channel sound with a sub, at least for now, as I dont want to spend
money on all of the 5.1 or 7.1 speakers and whatnot.

I cobbled together a surround sound system and while I don't care
for it for music much (which is perhaps due to my mix and unmatched
speakers) I think it sounds great on movies.


But where Im really tied up is in the receiver and Cd player choices.
I have quite a few CDs, and a lot of MP3 music. I like a wide variety
of rock, soul, jazz and classical type music. I dont know if for a
newbie, Im better off buying a stereo receiver or an AV receiver.

The hint here is that you don't mind MP3s. Have you had a chance
to listen to them through a good system or decent headphones?
If you find them just fine... then I'd suggest you'll be very happy
with the Yamaha AV receiver as the sound difference
between it and a comparably priced stereo amp isn't
as much as an MP3 vs original IMO.
Sad part here is you almost have to buy 7 channels
and you'll probably never use more than 5.
I see one on line shop still is selling Pioneer VSX D514K
for $160. Get that for Home Theater and get a used
stereo amp at the pawn shop.


The stereo receiver at the same price (Im thinking Yamaha RX-797) as an
AV receiver (yamaha RX-V659) should have better component quality,
design quality, and sound quality, right? But that said, am I really
just splitting hairs, especially since I dont have speakers that cost
thousands of dollars each, nor do I have a super high quality component
for doing anything else?

One example of a tie-up that causes me to be unsure is picking a CD
player and receiver. Do I want to buy a CD player that has a top-notch
DAC, and feed it into a stereo receiver, or would I be better off just
getting a cd player that has digital out, and using a good AV receiver
(the RX-V659 for example, has 24 bit burr-brown DACs on all channels).

Same comment as the amp. I think you need to get into some fairly
budget busting numbers on a CD player to make a noticeable difference.
Get a universal player with digital out. Fill your DVD, CD, MP3
and SACD needs all in one.



MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

While I can be sure that at a same price point, a stereo receiver will
have better innards than an AV equivalent, is 0.06% THD really any
different than 0.019%?

I know folks who love amps with far worse numbers than these...
so I wouldn't get hung up on 'em.

I am an engineer, so understand design
tradeoffs, but Im not an electrical engineer... will the amps and DACs
that have to do multiple tasks in an AV receiver have a shorter life
because they do more, as compared to the supposedly better designed and
laid out components in a same price stereo receiver?

No... it will fail sooner because its got more components and might
run a bit warmer.

If the AV
receiver has a 'pure direct' option, wouldnt either using that with a
decent DAC from a good CD player, or else sending coax digital in and
using the internal AVR
's burr-brown DAC create as good a sound as any stereo receiver that Id
buy for roughly the same price?

I think you're trying to split hairs here.


Any insight on such situations would be most appreciated. I want bang
for the buck, but given that I will use my sstem 85% for music and only
15% for everything else... I want to make sure that I make the right
choice.

Bang for the buck means buy used to me.


The AVR gives me long term upgradability if I want to do the
home theatre thing... but is only a good deal if it can do hi-fi for
newbies half decently...

Half decently is very subjective..... but IMO.. the amp is last place
to spend money upgrading. You'll probably be very happy with
an AVR.... and since you really don't want to spend a lot...try to find a
5.1 version. My Pioneer was only $150 and it doesn't sound any different
than their expensive ones... just fewer bells and whistles.

ScottW

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Robert Morein" wrote:

"Ayn Marx" wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein wrote:
In article ,
"JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod
or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then
feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music
enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how
you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

It's a forgery by Brian L. McCarty.
Notice it comes from Highwinds Media, an Australian outfit:
Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx 01.iad01.newshosting.com!new
shosting.com!69.28.186.75.MISMATCH!hwmnpeer01.lga! hwmedia!news.highwinds-media
.com!hw-filter.phx!newsfe04.phx.highwinds-media.com.POSTED!976fb0cf!not-for-ma
il

Jenn, please defend me.

Bob Morein

I frankly haven't been following all of the forgery situation closely.
But from what I know, the post I responded to was a forgery. The person
responding above (presuming that I have this all straight) has been
nothing but kind and considerate. What a bore this whole this is.
Sorry, Bob; you seem like a good guy.

Thanks!

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Robert Morein" wrote:

"Ayn Marx" wrote in message
oups.com...

Robert Morein wrote:
In article ,
"JMH"
wrote:
MP3 is another good example... If Im playing MP3 files from my ipod
or
computer, am I better off processing them on the computer, then
feeding
RCA into a stereo receiver, or am I better off sending in some data
stream into an AV receiver, and using their compressed music
enhancer
to 'optimize' the sound?

I thought you said "top-notch audio"? MP3's are crap. Who cares how
you
process them? They're stolen, as well.

Get lost!

As so frequently happens when newsgroup 'gurus' respond with insults,
they miss the opportunity to educate. No wonder so called high-end
audio is seen as the domain of lunatics.

It's a forgery by Brian L. McCarty.
Notice it comes from Highwinds Media, an Australian outfit:
Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx 01.iad01.newshosting.com!new
shosting.com!69.28.186.75.MISMATCH!hwmnpeer01.lga! hwmedia!news.highwinds-media
.com!hw-filter.phx!newsfe04.phx.highwinds-media.com.POSTED!976fb0cf!not-for-ma
il

Jenn, please defend me.

Bob Morein

I frankly haven't been following all of the forgery situation closely.
But from what I know, the post I responded to was a forgery. The person
responding above (presuming that I have this all straight) has been
nothing but kind and considerate. What a bore this whole this is.
Sorry, Bob; you seem like a good guy.

Except he basically asks for these vendettas he gets into.
His history with McCarty goes on forever.... and you'd
think he'd learn. But not Bob. he goes from asking the group if
he should go real world on Kreuger a few months back
to getting into a major ****ing war with SHP.

Then knowing Brian is stalking and forging him
he goes multigroup with his advice seeking threads
while bringing along his crapfest for the ride.
You'd think someone as supposedly as bright as Bob
would realize the situation he managed to place
himself in... and change his handle rather than bringing
his "conflicts" into multiple groups.
But not Bob, he's innocent.

At some point, one has to wonder just how innocent
is Robert Morein.

ScottW

Thank you, sir,

I was not aware of 'forgeries' as replies t postings going around on
the newsgroups, but what do I know???

I apologize for the hasty replies in anger, due to the posts that
supposedly came from you.

This person who claims to be you and writes nasty replies is a real
jerk, wasting everyones' time... you are a class act. I appreciate
your assistance!

JMH

"JMH" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thank you, sir,

I was not aware of 'forgeries' as replies t postings going around on
the newsgroups, but what do I know???

I apologize for the hasty replies in anger, due to the posts that
supposedly came from you.

This person who claims to be you and writes nasty replies is a real
jerk, wasting everyones' time... you are a class act. I appreciate
your assistance!

JMH

Thanks, JMH. The impostor is Brian L. McCarty. Here's a little FAQ I put out
on the Fat *******:

OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION" is actually Brian L. McCarty, a pest on
rec.audio.marketplace, where he accuses innocent sellers of various
misdeeds. He appears to be a pathological liar, with unknown motivations.

McCarty is the owner of websites http://www.coralseastudios.com, and
http://www.worldjazz.com, both of which have used fraudulent advertising in
attempts to attract investors. Both have been unsuccessful.

McCarty is an American expatriate, originally from the Chicago area, then LA
where he worked as a sound mixer,
currently living in Cairns Australia, where he manages the Baskin-Robbins
ice cream franchise located at
Shop G6, 59 The Esplanade
Cairns QLD 4870
07 4051 4034

McCarty lives in the Coral Sands apartment complex at 65 Vasey Esplanade,
Trinity beach, a bit north of metropolitan Cairns.

Baskin-Robbins Australia may be contacted at
.

In article , "JMH"
wrote:
I was not aware of 'forgeries' as replies t postings going around on
the newsgroups, but what do I know??? I apologize for the hasty replies in
anger, due to the posts that supposedly came from you.

This person who claims to be you and writes nasty replies is a real
jerk, wasting everyones' time... you are a class act.

Class act? Read up more about my sick son Robert Morein before you are so
quick to take "his side".

My son Bob Morein is an ignorant 51 year old unemployed
loser, who couldn't get a college degree even AFTER suing Drexel University
for it. And he tried to claim the work of his professor as HIS in a patent
application. Any real engineer/machinist would steer clear of Bob's newest
life failure, solar engineering.

This after he spent thousands of MY money buying a basement full of
now-worthless camera and lighting equipment, thinking in his flawed way that
this equipment would make him a famous filmmaker. Now it sits unused like
all his attempts at a career, because he found out it takes WORK and not
bull****ting. He's now bought a pile of sound equipment too, only to find
out that it takes WORK to be a sound engineer, too!


Facts about my Son, Robert Morein

Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS
--

Bob Morein History
--
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/l...ws/4853918.htm

Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court
By L. STUART DITZEN
Philadelphia Inquirer

PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program
at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart.

They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much
so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
to challenge his dismissal.

The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw.

"It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a
pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we
do come to a larger issue here."

An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly
"pleasantly" eccentric.

A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of
Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed
by the media and the public.

Because no one gives a **** about a 50 year old loser.

But it has been the subject of much attention in academia.

Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight
years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and
computer engineering.

Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his
thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a
rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it
patented.

A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has
done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life.


In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester
ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea.

An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like
Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life.


Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered
Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition.

Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the
offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's
money to cover up his lack of productivity.

That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long
tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions.

Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations
representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the
state Superior Court.

The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and
restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the
time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic
affairs was reasserted.

The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary
litigation, that would have been the end of it.

But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has
asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing.

Daddy throws more money down the crapper.

His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important
even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a
right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without
compensation.

"Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said
Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what
happened to him is pretty common."

It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge,
the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are.


Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim
that his idea was stolen - "preposterous."

"I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg.
"We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his
intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than
pursuing self-destructive litigation."

No **** sherlock.

The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a
committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser,
Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea.

His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in
minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes
and electronic systems.

The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to
calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a
nuclear plant or a computer.

My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of
Robert Morein, only sawdust.


Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata
and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata,
through a university lawyer, declined to comment.

At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in
1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It
related to estimation theory.

Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a
Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron
International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for
it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in
industrial processes.

Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of
inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the
problem Kalata had presented.

Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron.

K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors.

Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked
into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he
became alienated from Kalata.

As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron.
The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the
patent to lapse. No one made any money from it.

Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim
of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein.

In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and
asked for a new faculty adviser.

The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.

He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including
Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work.

Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to
complete his thesis.

So Morein ****s up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers
(a TEAM), and then ****s up again! Brilliant!


Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him.

Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the
usenet proves it.


Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's
opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will."

So much for political machine judges.

The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only
about 100 of them.

Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's
appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to
intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the
Pennsylvania courts.

Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it.

Just like all the failed "causes" Morein pursues. Heck, he's been
chasing another "Brian McCarty" for years and yet has ZERO impact on
anything.

Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert
Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS.


"I had to seek closure," he said.

Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had
hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence.

Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence".
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income
from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to
make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on
an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a
bulletlike stream of water.


FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED

But none of it is what he had imagined for himself.

"I don't really have a replacement career," Morein said. "It's a very
gnawing thing."

"Sylvan Morein, DDS" wrote in message
...

In article , "JMH"
wrote:
I was not aware of 'forgeries' as replies t postings going around on
the newsgroups, but what do I know??? I apologize for the hasty replies
in
anger, due to the posts that supposedly came from you.

This person who claims to be you and writes nasty replies is a real
jerk, wasting everyones' time... you are a class act.

Class act? Read up more about my sick son Robert Morein before you are so
quick to take "his side".

But Brian, you've already been unmasked in this thread. I just put it in to
tweak your nose.

Your life bud,
Bob

"JMH" wrote in message
oups.com...
Ummm my MP3s arent stolen... theyre ripped from MY CDs, at 192.

**If you live in Australia, you are in breach of the law. Other
jurisdictions have different interpretations of copyright laws.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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Trevor Wilson said:

Ummm my MP3s arent stolen... theyre ripped from MY CDs, at 192.

**If you live in Australia, you are in breach of the law.

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.





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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Trevor Wilson said:

Ummm my MP3s arent stolen... theyre ripped from MY CDs, at 192.

**If you live in Australia, you are in breach of the law.

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

**LOL! And this, coming from a citizen of a nation who voted George W Bush
into power. Twice! Let's discuss how evolution has affected the collective
intellect of the US people, shall we?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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In article ,
"Trevor Wilson" wrote:

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Trevor Wilson said:

Ummm my MP3s arent stolen... theyre ripped from MY CDs, at 192.

**If you live in Australia, you are in breach of the law.

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

**LOL! And this, coming from a citizen of a nation who voted George W Bush
into power. Twice! Let's discuss how evolution has affected the collective
intellect of the US people, shall we?

Point.

well, im not in Australia, but its an interesting tidbit of info all
the same...Out fo curiosity, was/is it illegal to record CDs to
cassette tapes, Records to cassette tapes, the radio to a cassette, Tv
or movies on TV to VHS, and vhs to vhs?

To my knowledge, all of that is A-OK in the USA... but I guess the
music companies have to try to make as much illegal as possible as a
cover-up of failing music sales due to nothing of any quality or
longevity coming out regularly. Even the pretty faces are really trash.

Thats my take on it.

Thanks again for the tibit of info!

JMH

"JMH" wrote in message
oups.com...
well, im not in Australia, but its an interesting tidbit of info all
the same...Out fo curiosity, was/is it illegal to record CDs to
cassette tapes, Records to cassette tapes, the radio to a cassette, Tv
or movies on TV to VHS, and vhs to vhs?

**It is illegal to recrod ANY copyright media. I know of no person who has
ever been prosecuted for such an act, however.


To my knowledge, all of that is A-OK in the USA...

**For personal use, that is my understanding also.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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Trevor Wilson said:

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

**LOL! And this, coming from a citizen of a nation who voted George W Bush
into power. Twice! Let's discuss how evolution has affected the collective
intellect of the US people, shall we?

OK, you first. No, wait, I'll go first. How many Ozzie universities have
world-class faculty? How many high-end audio companies call it home? You
dingoes get credit for a thriving moderate-price wine industry, of course.






--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

In article .com,
"JMH" wrote:

well, im not in Australia, but its an interesting tidbit of info all
the same...Out fo curiosity, was/is it illegal to record CDs to
cassette tapes, Records to cassette tapes, the radio to a cassette, Tv
or movies on TV to VHS, and vhs to vhs?

IIRC, in the U.S. it's OK to make a personal copy, i.e. copy to a disk
or tape for your car, etc. There are taxes added to the cost of blank
cassette and VHS tape to help cover the loss to the music and movie
companies; at least there were at one time.

To my knowledge, all of that is A-OK in the USA... but I guess the
music companies have to try to make as much illegal as possible as a
cover-up of failing music sales due to nothing of any quality or
longevity coming out regularly. Even the pretty faces are really trash.

While I agree with you about the lack of quality, stealing is stealing,
and I feel pretty strongly about the illegal copying issue.


Thats my take on it.

Thanks again for the tibit of info!

JMH

Fair enough.. But I have to say that it is more convenient than
switching cds all the time... and given that I didnt have a real mid-fi
or hi-fi system ever before, the differences were minimal...

One of the best things that I could do is make 'mix' CDs to play in the
car... worth a lot to me.

But I certainly understandthe illegal copying part, and agree. I dont
do napster or whatever the latest sharing program of the week is due to
that.

I dont buy at itunes or similar either, due to the fact that I cant
trqnsfer the files as I desire... even though I wouldnt be stealing
them if using them only for myself.

MP3 opens up a whole can of argument and discussion 'worms'

JMH

In article . com,
"JMH" wrote:

Fair enough.. But I have to say that it is more convenient than
switching cds all the time... and given that I didnt have a real mid-fi
or hi-fi system ever before, the differences were minimal...

One of the best things that I could do is make 'mix' CDs to play in the
car... worth a lot to me.

But I certainly understandthe illegal copying part, and agree. I dont
do napster or whatever the latest sharing program of the week is due to
that.

I dont buy at itunes or similar either, due to the fact that I cant
trqnsfer the files as I desire... even though I wouldnt be stealing
them if using them only for myself.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, you can burn as many CDs from your files as
you wish.


MP3 opens up a whole can of argument and discussion 'worms'

JMH

On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:38:12 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"JMH" wrote in message
roups.com...
well, im not in Australia, but its an interesting tidbit of info all
the same...Out fo curiosity, was/is it illegal to record CDs to
cassette tapes, Records to cassette tapes, the radio to a cassette, Tv
or movies on TV to VHS, and vhs to vhs?

**It is illegal to recrod ANY copyright media. I know of no person who has
ever been prosecuted for such an act, however.

Isn't that about to change, Trevor? I thought I read something....

In article
,
Jenn wrote:

In article . com,
"JMH" wrote:

Fair enough.. But I have to say that it is more convenient than
switching cds all the time... and given that I didnt have a real mid-fi
or hi-fi system ever before, the differences were minimal...

One of the best things that I could do is make 'mix' CDs to play in the
car... worth a lot to me.

But I certainly understandthe illegal copying part, and agree. I dont
do napster or whatever the latest sharing program of the week is due to
that.

I dont buy at itunes or similar either, due to the fact that I cant
trqnsfer the files as I desire... even though I wouldnt be stealing
them if using them only for myself.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, you can burn as many CDs from your files as
you wish.

Clarification: iTunes limits you to 7 copies, but there are easy work
arounds if you want to go that route.

paul packer said:

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

You'll pay for that, George. I'll get Mr. Sound onto you again. He and
I are buds now, don't you know? :-)

Don't believe all the rumors that start on Usenet. Besides, after Shovels
started going to pieces, he embraced the Krooborg and Lyin' Bwian. Do you
really want to hang with Shovels? I'd have thought even a whacker like you
has some standards. :-)



--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Trevor Wilson said:

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

**LOL! And this, coming from a citizen of a nation who voted George W
Bush
into power. Twice! Let's discuss how evolution has affected the
collective
intellect of the US people, shall we?

OK, you first. No, wait, I'll go first. How many Ozzie universities have
world-class faculty?

**AFAIK, two. The fact that the (vastly larger population) US has more does
not suggest that COLLECTIVELY Americans are the dumbest bunch of morons on
the planet. I (again) cite the evidence that George W Bush was voted into
power (twice) as evidence.

How many high-end audio companies call it home?

**Lots. I cannot say how many. However, again, the ability of people to shop
(and therefore support a specific manufacturing industry) is not evidence of
a high collective intellect.

You
dingoes get credit for a thriving moderate-price wine industry, of course.

**You need to try some Penfolds Grange Hermitage sometime. We hit the
moderately high prices too.

https://www.nicks.com.au/index.aspx?...axVintage=1959

I had a bottle of '72 Grange many years ago (it cost me AUS$14.00 ca. 1978).
It was an exceptionally superb drop.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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In article ,
"Trevor Wilson" wrote:

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Trevor Wilson said:

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

**LOL! And this, coming from a citizen of a nation who voted George W
Bush
into power. Twice! Let's discuss how evolution has affected the
collective
intellect of the US people, shall we?

OK, you first. No, wait, I'll go first. How many Ozzie universities have
world-class faculty?

**AFAIK, two. The fact that the (vastly larger population) US has more does
not suggest that COLLECTIVELY Americans are the dumbest bunch of morons on
the planet. I (again) cite the evidence that George W Bush was voted into
power (twice) as evidence.

How many high-end audio companies call it home?

**Lots. I cannot say how many. However, again, the ability of people to shop
(and therefore support a specific manufacturing industry) is not evidence of
a high collective intellect.

You
dingoes get credit for a thriving moderate-price wine industry, of course.

**You need to try some Penfolds Grange Hermitage sometime. We hit the
moderately high prices too.

https://www.nicks.com.au/index.aspx?...dRareCate gor
yID=6&OrderBy=4&minVintage=1950&maxVintage=1959

I had a bottle of '72 Grange many years ago (it cost me AUS$14.00 ca. 1978).
It was an exceptionally superb drop.

The best thing that I know about Australia: the wonderful Percy
Aldridge Grainger.

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:38:12 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"JMH" wrote in message
groups.com...
well, im not in Australia, but its an interesting tidbit of info all
the same...Out fo curiosity, was/is it illegal to record CDs to
cassette tapes, Records to cassette tapes, the radio to a cassette, Tv
or movies on TV to VHS, and vhs to vhs?

**It is illegal to recrod ANY copyright media. I know of no person who has
ever been prosecuted for such an act, however.

Isn't that about to change, Trevor? I thought I read something....

**Perhaps I did not explain myself clearly. I know of no person who has been
prosecuted for recording their own, legally purchased copyright material,
onto another medium, for their own private use.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
.. .

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote in message ...


Trevor Wilson said:

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

**LOL! And this, coming from a citizen of a nation who voted George W
Bush
into power. Twice! Let's discuss how evolution has affected the
collective
intellect of the US people, shall we?

OK, you first. No, wait, I'll go first. How many Ozzie universities have
world-class faculty?

**AFAIK, two. The fact that the (vastly larger population) US has more
does not suggest that COLLECTIVELY Americans are the dumbest bunch of
morons on the planet. I (again) cite the evidence that George W Bush was
voted into power (twice) as evidence.

**Whoops. That should read:

AFAIK, two. The fact that the (vastly larger population) US has more (world
class universities) does
not suggest that COLLECTIVELY Americans are NOT the dumbest bunch of morons
on
the planet. I (again) cite the evidence that George W Bush was voted into
power (twice) as evidence of this readily obserable fact.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
.. .

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote in message ...


Trevor Wilson said:

Ummm my MP3s arent stolen... theyre ripped from MY CDs, at 192.

**If you live in Australia, you are in breach of the law.

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

**LOL! And this, coming from a citizen of a nation who voted George W Bush
into power. Twice! Let's discuss how evolution has affected the collective
intellect of the US people, shall we?

Much less than immigration.

ScottW

On Wed, 24 May 2006 21:16:14 -0400, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



paul packer said:

Bear in mind that Australia is pretty much the tail-end of evolving
civilization.

You'll pay for that, George. I'll get Mr. Sound onto you again. He and
I are buds now, don't you know? :-)

Don't believe all the rumors that start on Usenet. Besides, after Shovels
started going to pieces, he embraced the Krooborg and Lyin' Bwian. Do you
really want to hang with Shovels? I'd have thought even a whacker like you
has some standards. :-)

A whacker? If I knew what that was I might think you were being
unkind.