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Would this be a good set up for classical music?
Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. |
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Sorry about the misspelling in the subject "Componet" should have been
"Component". "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. |
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"Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Sorry about the misspelling in the subject "Componet" should have been "Component". "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. You could do a lot better used. At this price level, I would suggest you forgo the fancy cables. Use Radio Shack 16 gauge zipcord to connect your speakers. Use the out-of-the-box cables to connect your CD player. Spend the money you saved on improvements in the electronics. At this level, every dollar counts. Later, you can replace the interconnects. Please understand that I am not claiming that out-of-the-box interconnects or zipcord is the equivalent of what you want to get. Unfortunately, a $150 receiver is compromised in many ways. So are the speakers. On eBay there abound numerous amplifiers that are more suitable for classical music reproduction. Anything Hafler is good. |
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"Jake Knight" wrote in message
ink.net Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Have a TV? Why waste money on an old-fashioned CD player when you can get a DVD player for far less money, one that does far more? Want a "golden ear" approved" DVD player? Try the Technics DVD-S55 or even the DVD-S25 for $100 or less. The S55 is the darling of the snake oil crowd because it plays DVD-As and resamples the audio. The DVD S25 is the same basic CD/DVD/DVD-A player without the snake-oil resampling, for about $25 less. There may be some vestigial controversy over whether dedicated CD players sound better than DVD players, but its moot at this price level. The rest of your system isn't $10,000 worth of speakers and amps in a purpose-built listening room, right? The $100+ you've budgeted for the cables is a grotesque waste of your money. Use the interconnects that come with the CD player. You can get two 15 foot cables that are electrically identical (i.e., 12 gauge stranded speaker wire) to the original Monster cable for under $20 at a home improvement store. Take the $80 or so you save with the cables, and the $50-75 you save on the CD player and put it into better speakers. For example, if you stay in the Infinity Primus line, you can add a few bucks and get 250s instead of 150s. http://shop.store.yahoo.com/aboutgizmos/infinity.html |
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"Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. |
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What's a good Yamaha Receiver?
JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. |
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Also, what makes the Yamahas better at this price range?
Thanks to everyone for your help. "Jake Knight" wrote in message link.net... What's a good Yamaha Receiver? JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. |
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Why is Hafler good? Is there a particular model that is good? What should I
look for on eBay? Thanks for your help! "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Sorry about the misspelling in the subject "Componet" should have been "Component". "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. You could do a lot better used. At this price level, I would suggest you forgo the fancy cables. Use Radio Shack 16 gauge zipcord to connect your speakers. Use the out-of-the-box cables to connect your CD player. Spend the money you saved on improvements in the electronics. At this level, every dollar counts. Later, you can replace the interconnects. Please understand that I am not claiming that out-of-the-box interconnects or zipcord is the equivalent of what you want to get. Unfortunately, a $150 receiver is compromised in many ways. So are the speakers. On eBay there abound numerous amplifiers that are more suitable for classical music reproduction. Anything Hafler is good. |
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That also leaves me with question which separate tuner should I get?
"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Sorry about the misspelling in the subject "Componet" should have been "Component". "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. You could do a lot better used. At this price level, I would suggest you forgo the fancy cables. Use Radio Shack 16 gauge zipcord to connect your speakers. Use the out-of-the-box cables to connect your CD player. Spend the money you saved on improvements in the electronics. At this level, every dollar counts. Later, you can replace the interconnects. Please understand that I am not claiming that out-of-the-box interconnects or zipcord is the equivalent of what you want to get. Unfortunately, a $150 receiver is compromised in many ways. So are the speakers. On eBay there abound numerous amplifiers that are more suitable for classical music reproduction. Anything Hafler is good. |
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"Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Also, what makes the Yamahas better at this price range? Thanks to everyone for your help. "Jake Knight" wrote in message link.net... What's a good Yamaha Receiver? JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. What makes the Yamaha's better is the discrete circuitry. I had a Sony like the one you are looking at, and it needed to be repaired. The gentleman who repaired my unit gave me a little education about the innerds. He showed my why the Sony are not good build quality. As far as which Yamaha goes, Do you have any home theatre uses? Are you going to use it just for classical music listening? |
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Just classical music in stereo.
"Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:OLI1c.38585$ko6.344510@attbi_s02... "Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Also, what makes the Yamahas better at this price range? Thanks to everyone for your help. "Jake Knight" wrote in message link.net... What's a good Yamaha Receiver? JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. What makes the Yamaha's better is the discrete circuitry. I had a Sony like the one you are looking at, and it needed to be repaired. The gentleman who repaired my unit gave me a little education about the innerds. He showed my why the Sony are not good build quality. As far as which Yamaha goes, Do you have any home theatre uses? Are you going to use it just for classical music listening? |
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And _no_ home theatre use.
"Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Just classical music in stereo. "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:OLI1c.38585$ko6.344510@attbi_s02... "Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Also, what makes the Yamahas better at this price range? Thanks to everyone for your help. "Jake Knight" wrote in message link.net... What's a good Yamaha Receiver? JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. What makes the Yamaha's better is the discrete circuitry. I had a Sony like the one you are looking at, and it needed to be repaired. The gentleman who repaired my unit gave me a little education about the innerds. He showed my why the Sony are not good build quality. As far as which Yamaha goes, Do you have any home theatre uses? Are you going to use it just for classical music listening? |
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Is the Yamaha HTR-5230 a good one? From the reviews I see at AudioReview.com
it appears to good. From what I can tell online, the Yamahas seem to much better than Sony. "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:OLI1c.38585$ko6.344510@attbi_s02... "Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Also, what makes the Yamahas better at this price range? Thanks to everyone for your help. "Jake Knight" wrote in message link.net... What's a good Yamaha Receiver? JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message ink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. What makes the Yamaha's better is the discrete circuitry. I had a Sony like the one you are looking at, and it needed to be repaired. The gentleman who repaired my unit gave me a little education about the innerds. He showed my why the Sony are not good build quality. As far as which Yamaha goes, Do you have any home theatre uses? Are you going to use it just for classical music listening? |
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Jake Knight wrote:
Also, what makes the Yamahas better at this price range? Thanks to everyone for your help. "Jake Knight" wrote in message link.net... What's a good Yamaha Receiver? JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message thlink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. Check out this Onkyo Integra amp on Ebay; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...EBWA%3AIT&rd=1 It will be better than the Sony receiver you're looking at. When looking for budget Amplifiers, names to keep in mind are Onkyo, Yamaho, and NAD. Look for Integrated Amps, not receivers. A receiver is basically an amp, pre-amp, and tuner, and when you stuff all 3 technologies into one box, lots of compromises happen. With an integrated amp, there's much less of a compromise, and systems can sound really good based on an integrated amplifier. If you need a tuner, use this website as a good start on finding a decent used one; http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/ Like the others said, forget about the name brand RCA cables and speaker wire, just get 12-14 gage speaker wire by any no name, and use the RCAs that came with the unit. Also, forget the CD player, get a DVD player instead. Look at the Pioneer 563 and the Panasonic S55, or S35 if you don't want to jump into DVD audio just yet. |
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Codifus wrote:
Jake Knight wrote: Also, what makes the Yamahas better at this price range? Thanks to everyone for your help. "Jake Knight" wrote in message link.net... What's a good Yamaha Receiver? JK "Nikoli Yetti" wrote in message news:vhH1c.178207$uV3.753968@attbi_s51... "Jake Knight" wrote in message rthlink.net... Would this be a good set up for classical music? Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 I really can't spend any more than this (this is the absolute max!). Any information, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated. In my opinion, don't spend the money for the monster cables, and look into maybe a Yamaha Receiver instead of Sony. Check out this Onkyo Integra amp on Ebay; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...39&category=32 80&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 It will be better than the Sony receiver you're looking at. When looking for budget Amplifiers, names to keep in mind are Onkyo, Yamaho, and NAD. Look for Integrated Amps, not receivers. Agreed. Also add Rotel to your list of integrated amplifiers worth considering. A receiver is basically an amp, pre-amp, and tuner, and when you stuff all 3 technologies into one box, lots of compromises happen. With an integrated amp, there's much less of a compromise, and systems can sound really good based on an integrated amplifier. Also agreed. If you need a tuner, use this website as a good start on finding a decent used one; http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/ Like the others said, forget about the name brand RCA cables and speaker wire, just get 12-14 gage speaker wire by any no name, and use the RCAs that came with the unit. Also, forget the CD player, get a DVD player instead. Look at the Pioneer 563 and the Panasonic S55, or S35 if you don't want to jump into DVD audio just yet. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Why is Hafler good? Is there a particular model that is good? What should I look for on eBay? Thanks for your help! The classic cheapie setup is: DH-200 power amp (110 watts/channel into 8 ohms, 150 watts/channel into 4 ohms) DH-110 preamp I would skip the tuner, but there are scads of cheap used tuners out there. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message
"Jake Knight" wrote in message hlink.net... Why is Hafler good? Is there a particular model that is good? What should I look for on eBay? Thanks for your help! The classic cheapie setup is: DH-200 power amp (110 watts/channel into 8 ohms, 150 watts/channel into 4 ohms) DH-110 preamp I would skip the tuner, but there are scads of cheap used tuners out there. Recent closed auctions on eBay for DH products that could be reasonably recommended: DH-200 $131 DH-200 $150 DH-200 $150 DH-200 $150 DH-200 $209 DH-110 $110. DH 330 $67 Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 |
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Kal |
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Could someone tell me what he/she thinks of Yamaha's HTR-5230 (~$130.00)? Is
it better than the Sony STR-DE185 - ($150.00)? I don't think separate amplifier/tuner is for me, I just want a good basic component system that will last me till I get a much better system. Thanks for the help! JK |
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In article ,
Kalman Rubinson wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Thanks for admitting that amps = amps. :-) Stephen |
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Could someone suggest a Yamaha receiver for under $200.00?
Thanks, JK |
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Jake Knight wrote:
Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 Sorry bout the quotes - got her a bit late. I mean - REAL ADVICE WANTED POST??? Receiver - stereo. Something used like an old Kenwood circa 1995 or so. Maybe $75-100. My recommedation would be to get an old Dolby Digital 5.1 receiver from that era. Most people are fairly throwing them out as junk because they don't do DTS. Still, for budget 2-channel amps, they are great. If you buy new, get a cheap DVD player. Mine is an Akai that I got on sale for $80. It does DVDs, CDs, MP3s, and so on - basically a computer type DVD player with a sound board and power supply in a nice case. It's shockingly effective for the price. I think it retailed for $120 originally. You have the amplifier and CD player for $150-$175. Cables - use normal 12 or 14 gauge electrical wire. If you feel like making it astheticaly pleasing, take the two wires and slowly wind them in a drill motor(other ends in a vise). When it is about one turn every 4-6 inches or so, hold it there overnight. In the morning, carefully remove it and then apply some heat shrink tubing to it. The end result if done correctly is cable that works and looks like designer cable for pennies a foot. You can also use zip ties or run them under the carpet or whatnot. If you run it in the walls, use the telephone/ cable TV system and not the A/C. Lastly - the coating on the wires can easily be painted over. There are also baseboards and wood trim with a channel cut in them for wires available. Figure $25 for RCA cables and wires, at most, and tax/shipping. The RCA cable that the person selling the CD player will give you is good enough for a basic setup. Free. Electrical wire can also be had nearly free. At worst, it's $18 a 500ft roll last I bought it. Maybe $10 for the heat shrink tubing, or just use zip ties. Me - I always just used zipcord, wire tacks, and painted it over - run along the baseboards. So - $200 total spent. That leaves $400-$450 for a good set of speakers. This much allows you to actually get decent sound, even new. But we're buying used. If you want small towers, that translates into a $800 pair of new speakers for $400 or so. That's excellent sound - something like a pair of Tannoy Saturn S6L/Rs or JBL Pro monitors or Maybe something like a pair of older KEF, Tannoy, or Klipsch towers. $400 left over for speakers or more is your goal. Here are a few links: I like Audiogon.com myself. It tends to weed out the junk. EBay - I only shop there if I can look at it locally beforehand. Audiogon - so far - none of the EBay junk/hit and miss syndrome. This is for speakers - Ebay seems to be a decent place for the other stuff, though - just shop carefully and bit low - there's always another deal tommorrow. My gripe with Ebay is that it's become rife with retailers dumping old stock at nearly retail prices. Finding actual used electronic equipment is a bit hard at times. (looks in classifieds on Audiogon) http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc....44442&auc&3&4& Here's a typical auction - an old 5.1 receiver. Figure $100 or so by the time it's over. This one I'd pass on unless you plan to do the HT thing later, as DTS isn't really necessarry and a DD only model will practically be given away. Or you could go old-school: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=39 789 I had one exactly like this in College. Very capable and simple design. Basically an older Kenwood with a digital tuner. The 60W is continuous(RMS), so it's comparable to a more modern 80-100wpc model after they switched to peak power for wattage ratings. It's really loud - trust me  This is the receiver to buy, IMO: Me - I'd contact him directly as he has no bids and offer $50 including shipping. Shipping will cost him $20, so it's a fair price. Amplifier problem solved on a tight budget. *** CD: CDs are trickier. Moving parts and whatnot. The smart money is on a cheap DVD/MP3/CD player for $75-$100. Mine even has 5 channel outputs(built in decoder). Yes, it's lame, but if you wanted surround sound on a tight budget, it's good enough to watch movies. Just add a couple of amplified surround speakers and enjoy. http://www.akai.com/product_detail.a...id2=18&id3=288 My model is black - same thing, though. The list of things it plays is impressive for the price, IMO. http://www.akai.com/product_detail.a...id2=18&id3=289 This is better - progressive scan. These are hard to find, but I frequent the various offshore/import electronics stores here in L.A. $80 was a steal - lol. So sue me - I wanted the Karaoke feature. Something simmilar but easy to find: Amazon.com - Toshiba SD-3950 After rebates, it's $49.99. Pregressive scan. No region-free or Karaoke or built in DTS decoder, but it does play DVDs and CDs and MP3s. This and the amplifier come out to be $100 after rebates. That leaves $500 for speakers! http://www.storesonline.com/site/520988/product/DVD A dual-region version of mine - perfect if you like to rent DVDs from Japan or China. $129 - a bit expensive, but as you can see, $50 for an old amp leaves you TONS of money for a DVD player - either $50 and does the basics, or fancy for around $100-$150. The $50 would probably be best for you, though - it's a CD and MP3CD player with DVD playback. *** Speakers. Time to go to to Audiogon.com $500 left to spend on speakers, used - that's basically anything you want that would cost $1000 new. Tannoy: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....oni&1083291124 Offer $500 and see if he goes for it. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1082134368 A pair of towers and a center for future use. $450 OBO. KEF: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1083453441 A nice tower. Or get a good pair of bookshelf speakers. B&W http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1083379449 A nice pair of 603s. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....oni&1082231801 A pair of little ones. Used speakers are the best deals in audio. Others: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....oni&1081553877 Needs a new woofer, possibly. $500 obo. This is a very good pair of large bookshelf speakers, btw - well worth the money if he's somewhat local. The replacement speaker is $40.90 at www.madisound.com if you care. This seems to be a deal, to me. These are very good bookshelf speakers, and he's willing to haggle as well as include some stands. Those 603s are also very attractive. The buy it and forget about it choice, though, is the pair of Tannoy S8L/Rs - well worth every penny. Gorgeous sound. |
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Thanks, I think I've got a better idea of what to do now...
JK "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message link.net... Jake Knight wrote: Speakers: Infinity Primus 150 - $180.00/pair Stereo Receiver: Sony STR-DE185 - $150.00 CD Player: Sony CDP-XE370 - $140.00 Cables: Monster Cable's Original 15 ft. cable (for speakers) - $80.00/2 Monster Cable's Interlink 200 RCA cable (for CD player) - $25.00 Total: ~$600.00 Sorry bout the quotes - got her a bit late. I mean - REAL ADVICE WANTED POST??? Receiver - stereo. Something used like an old Kenwood circa 1995 or so. Maybe $75-100. My recommedation would be to get an old Dolby Digital 5.1 receiver from that era. Most people are fairly throwing them out as junk because they don't do DTS. Still, for budget 2-channel amps, they are great. If you buy new, get a cheap DVD player. Mine is an Akai that I got on sale for $80. It does DVDs, CDs, MP3s, and so on - basically a computer type DVD player with a sound board and power supply in a nice case. It's shockingly effective for the price. I think it retailed for $120 originally. You have the amplifier and CD player for $150-$175. Cables - use normal 12 or 14 gauge electrical wire. If you feel like making it astheticaly pleasing, take the two wires and slowly wind them in a drill motor(other ends in a vise). When it is about one turn every 4-6 inches or so, hold it there overnight. In the morning, carefully remove it and then apply some heat shrink tubing to it. The end result if done correctly is cable that works and looks like designer cable for pennies a foot. You can also use zip ties or run them under the carpet or whatnot. If you run it in the walls, use the telephone/ cable TV system and not the A/C. Lastly - the coating on the wires can easily be painted over. There are also baseboards and wood trim with a channel cut in them for wires available. Figure $25 for RCA cables and wires, at most, and tax/shipping. The RCA cable that the person selling the CD player will give you is good enough for a basic setup. Free. Electrical wire can also be had nearly free. At worst, it's $18 a 500ft roll last I bought it. Maybe $10 for the heat shrink tubing, or just use zip ties. Me - I always just used zipcord, wire tacks, and painted it over - run along the baseboards. So - $200 total spent. That leaves $400-$450 for a good set of speakers. This much allows you to actually get decent sound, even new. But we're buying used. If you want small towers, that translates into a $800 pair of new speakers for $400 or so. That's excellent sound - something like a pair of Tannoy Saturn S6L/Rs or JBL Pro monitors or Maybe something like a pair of older KEF, Tannoy, or Klipsch towers. $400 left over for speakers or more is your goal. Here are a few links: I like Audiogon.com myself. It tends to weed out the junk. EBay - I only shop there if I can look at it locally beforehand. Audiogon - so far - none of the EBay junk/hit and miss syndrome. This is for speakers - Ebay seems to be a decent place for the other stuff, though - just shop carefully and bit low - there's always another deal tommorrow. My gripe with Ebay is that it's become rife with retailers dumping old stock at nearly retail prices. Finding actual used electronic equipment is a bit hard at times. (looks in classifieds on Audiogon) http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc....44442&auc&3&4& Here's a typical auction - an old 5.1 receiver. Figure $100 or so by the time it's over. This one I'd pass on unless you plan to do the HT thing later, as DTS isn't really necessarry and a DD only model will practically be given away. Or you could go old-school: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=39 789 I had one exactly like this in College. Very capable and simple design. Basically an older Kenwood with a digital tuner. The 60W is continuous(RMS), so it's comparable to a more modern 80-100wpc model after they switched to peak power for wattage ratings. It's really loud - trust me This is the receiver to buy, IMO: Me - I'd contact him directly as he has no bids and offer $50 including shipping. Shipping will cost him $20, so it's a fair price. Amplifier problem solved on a tight budget. *** CD: CDs are trickier. Moving parts and whatnot. The smart money is on a cheap DVD/MP3/CD player for $75-$100. Mine even has 5 channel outputs(built in decoder). Yes, it's lame, but if you wanted surround sound on a tight budget, it's good enough to watch movies. Just add a couple of amplified surround speakers and enjoy. http://www.akai.com/product_detail.a...id2=18&id3=288 My model is black - same thing, though. The list of things it plays is impressive for the price, IMO. http://www.akai.com/product_detail.a...id2=18&id3=289 This is better - progressive scan. These are hard to find, but I frequent the various offshore/import electronics stores here in L.A. $80 was a steal - lol. So sue me - I wanted the Karaoke feature. Something simmilar but easy to find: Amazon.com - Toshiba SD-3950 After rebates, it's $49.99. Pregressive scan. No region-free or Karaoke or built in DTS decoder, but it does play DVDs and CDs and MP3s. This and the amplifier come out to be $100 after rebates. That leaves $500 for speakers! http://www.storesonline.com/site/520988/product/DVD A dual-region version of mine - perfect if you like to rent DVDs from Japan or China. $129 - a bit expensive, but as you can see, $50 for an old amp leaves you TONS of money for a DVD player - either $50 and does the basics, or fancy for around $100-$150. The $50 would probably be best for you, though - it's a CD and MP3CD player with DVD playback. *** Speakers. Time to go to to Audiogon.com $500 left to spend on speakers, used - that's basically anything you want that would cost $1000 new. Tannoy: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....oni&1083291124 Offer $500 and see if he goes for it. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1082134368 A pair of towers and a center for future use. $450 OBO. KEF: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1083453441 A nice tower. Or get a good pair of bookshelf speakers. B&W http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1083379449 A nice pair of 603s. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....oni&1082231801 A pair of little ones. Used speakers are the best deals in audio. Others: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....oni&1081553877 Needs a new woofer, possibly. $500 obo. This is a very good pair of large bookshelf speakers, btw - well worth the money if he's somewhat local. The replacement speaker is $40.90 at www.madisound.com if you care. This seems to be a deal, to me. These are very good bookshelf speakers, and he's willing to haggle as well as include some stands. Those 603s are also very attractive. The buy it and forget about it choice, though, is the pair of Tannoy S8L/Rs - well worth every penny. Gorgeous sound. |
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Kalman Rubinson said:
Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Are you serious? The DH-200 is clearly superior to the DH-200. Just listen to them side by side and I think you'll agree. Ed |
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I forgot to mention:
$70 for the DVD player minus $20 rebate. $50 for the older receiver. A Pioneer SX-6 or simmilar is fine. This includes haggling over shipping and tax. ---- $100 spent. $550 left. HUH? You see - if your budget was $600 new, that included $50 in tax which used you avoid. So it's really $550 for speakers. Used is the way to go with almost everything in life that it's prudent to do so with. My last leather jacket was used, as was my lawnmower and TV. These sorts of items are easy to find in mint condition and usually demand a premium when new - a win-win situation for the bargain hunter. In most cases, if someone says $600 OBO for speakers, they'll bite at $550 shipped. You may go a bit over, but it's well worth it as you can get a better amp later on, as well as another DVD player, but a pair of speakers that you can keep through 3-4 upgrades and STILL use a decade later in the garage or in a second room is priceless. That pair of Tannoy Saturns on Audiogon - ask if he'll do $550 shipped. Get the SX-6 for $40, shipped if you can. Get the DVD player for $50 after rebates, plus $10 shipping. Me - I'd be temped at the Eries with the munged dustcover, but that's because I've heard they are good speakers and I think I could make a better design out of them with some work and engineering. The Saturn S8 L/Rs - I *know* what they sound like and they are every bit as good as my JBL studio monitors - no mean feat. Tons better wife acceptance factor/decor, though the $1200 new price is a bit rough. For $550 shipped, it would be a major deal. |
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Jake Knight wrote: Could someone suggest a Yamaha receiver for under $200.00? That Kenwood on audiogon would go for less than that. DTS too. Or the SX-6. You really don't need to spend even $100 for a good basic receiver. I personally like the older ones as they tended to have less electronics and therefore were more about decent amplification. I found this, though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=30824773 08 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=30824793 11 Matching Yamaha CA 610II amplifier and tuner. Mint condition. All I can say is - it is worth every penny and *oozes* decor friendly and class. This is the little office/bedroom stereo setup equivalent of the Espresso machine in the kitchen - a definite must have finishing touch. The set might go for $100-$150 total, but IMO, this is a stunning set. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: Kalman Rubinson said: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Are you serious? The DH-200 is clearly superior to the DH-200. Just listen to them side by side and I think you'll agree. Ed Moron! You must be a sockpuppet if you believe that drivel. The DH-200 is nowhere as good as the DH-200! Just ask Arny - he has the ABX data to prove it! |
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"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Juist more trolls who can't make sense out of a small typo. DH 200 OR DH 220 |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 05:56:03 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Juist more trolls who can't make sense out of a small typo. Just another crotchety only fart who can't take an indicated joke. DH 200 OR DH 220 DH-200 $131 DH-200 $150 DH-200 $150 DH-200 $150 DH-200 $209 DH-110 $110. DH 330 $67 Hmmmm, I don't see a DH 220 anywhere in the list. Seems like Arnold is a troll who can't even make sense of *his own* postings. Poor Arnold, for the past few days, he's been trying to get up awfully early in the morning to pull the wool over *his own* eyes! chuckle |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Juist more trolls who can't make sense out of a small typo. DH 200 OR DH 220 If irony killed! Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny I am admiting nothing. I have no hypocricy. |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:15:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny I am admiting nothing. I have no hypocricy. You don't have a DH 220 either, it seems. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny I am admiting nothing. I have no hypocricy. Predictible! ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Juist more trolls who can't make sense out of a small typo. DH 200 OR DH 220 If irony killed! Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny Yes. Arny is always "admitting" his "hypocrisy." Norm |
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Juist more trolls who can't make sense out of a small typo. Feeling less lonely? |
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Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny I am admiting nothing. I have no hypocricy. LOL Guess you can't deal with a "typo." Troll. |
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"Jake Knight" wrote in message thlink.net...
Could someone tell me what he/she thinks of Yamaha's HTR-5230 (~$130.00)? Is it better than the Sony STR-DE185 - ($150.00)? I don't think separate amplifier/tuner is for me, I just want a good basic component system that will last me till I get a much better system. Thanks for the help! JK I wouldn't obsess about the receiver or cd player at this price range too much, but I agree with the suggestion to use factory interconnects and 12 gauge zip cord for the speaker wire and put the $100 into the speakers, as that will make a big difference at this price range. You should also audition some other speakers before buying the Infinity. Some brands to try: NHT PSB Energy B&W JM Labs Tannoy Mission I've listened to all of these except JM Labs and they all sound very different. This is where the real taste-testing is worth it because it will have the biggest impact on the end result. As far as the receiver, if you want a Yamaha, get a two-channel stereo one, not an HT one. You might also try an Onkyo. NAD are going to be too expensive for this price range unless you go used, which it sounds like you want to avoid. CD player I would recommend Technics. If you're not a purist, the DVD player might be a good idea because you can play burned MP3s (put hundreds of songs on one disc yeehaw!) and if you ever want to you can use it for movies, even in two-channel stereo or mono. Generally speaking take your time. Best preventive medicine for buyer's remorse. Don't buy until you're pretty sure you've satisfied most of your nagging doubts about other gear that might sound better--although you don't have to get exhaustive about it. And don't ask salesmen for advice. Form your own opinions based on listening. Cheers. |
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"Jake Knight" wrote in message thlink.net...
Could someone tell me what he/she thinks of Yamaha's HTR-5230 (~$130.00)? Is it better than the Sony STR-DE185 - ($150.00)? I don't think separate amplifier/tuner is for me, I just want a good basic component system that will last me till I get a much better system. Thanks for the help! JK Also I would avoid Sony. IME they tend to be higher price for the name, generally speaking are poor quality at the low end, and unreliable. Panasonic (Technics) tends to be my low-end standby for quality and performance. |
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"normanstrong" wrote in message news:No12c.49921$PR3.997657@attbi_s03... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Estimate about $320 for all 3, if you could line them up. The real winner in the group would be a DH-200 or DH-200 Yes. Hard to choose between those two. ;-) Juist more trolls who can't make sense out of a small typo. DH 200 OR DH 220 If irony killed! Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny Yes. Arny is always "admitting" his "hypocrisy." Norm Zing! I got him aciting up again. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message ... Thanks for admiting your hypocricy, Arny I am admiting nothing. I have no hypocricy. LOL Guess you can't deal with a "typo." Troll. "at least" somebody got the point. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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