Jungson 88c,d
Cayin TA30
Cayin 265AI
Cavent
Thanks

Tracer wrote:

Anyone heard these Chinese amps?
Jungson 88c,d
Cayin TA30
Cayin 265AI
Cavent

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why
should anybody care about tubed relics like the Cayin, or slavish
Accuphase clones like the Jungson?

Arny obviously hasn't listened to many tube amps lately or he would be
changing his tune (major pun intented).

sorry tracer, i haven't heard of those either, but i would stick to the
beaten path of products like ASL, Jolida, etc that are built there but
are either US based or have US distribution. I have both ASL and Jolida
and couldn't be happier.

"Arny Krueger" said:


Tracer wrote:

Anyone heard these Chinese amps?
Jungson 88c,d
Cayin TA30
Cayin 265AI
Cavent

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why
should anybody care about tubed relics like the Cayin, or slavish
Accuphase clones like the Jungson?

Another helpful resonse from Arny the Great to an unsuspecting newbie.
Well done!

BTW Tracer, I haven't heard any of the amps you mention, so I don't
have any meaningful information about them.

In stark contrast to a certain well-known preference basher, I tend to
keep my mouth shut when I don't have an answer to a question.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal wrote:
"Arny Krueger" said:


Tracer wrote:

Anyone heard these Chinese amps?
Jungson 88c,d
Cayin TA30
Cayin 265AI
Cavent

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why
should anybody care about tubed relics like the Cayin, or slavish
Accuphase clones like the Jungson?

Another helpful resonse from Arny the Great to an unsuspecting
newbie.
Well done!

BTW Tracer, I haven't heard any of the amps you mention, so I don't
have any meaningful information about them.

In stark contrast to a certain well-known preference basher, I tend
to
keep my mouth shut when I don't have an answer to a question.

Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.
Hyper-sensitive, much?

dave-g wrote:
Arny obviously hasn't listened to many tube amps lately or he would
be
changing his tune (major pun intented).

Delusions of omniscience noted. In fact I've heard a tube amp lately,
and it didn't sound any better than it did in the days of.

I'd be more happy if the Chinese stuck to supplying tubes (although of
better quality...) and transformers instead of the whole amp. Of course
if they come down to Wal-mart price, we can always part them out new in
the box...

Of the distributors of these things my inquiries as to availability of
transformers has usually been ignored.

Actually '30's/'40's/'50's...but who cares, they still sound better.

ROTFLMAF***'inAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:O)

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Sander deWaal said:

BTW Tracer, I haven't heard any of the amps you mention, so I don't
have any meaningful information about them.

In stark contrast to a certain well-known preference basher, I tend to
keep my mouth shut when I don't have an answer to a question.

Aren't you on record, in public, as being an atheist? ;-)

Tracer wrote:


Anyone heard these Chinese amps?
Jungson 88c,d
Cayin TA30
Cayin 265AI
Cavent

Tubes *can* be good. Chinese made stuff, though, is
highly suspect. The one I recommend is Jolida - it's
actually a decent if older design, and the tubes aren't
half bad.

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.

Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

dave weil a écrit :
On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?

George M. Middius wrote:
dave weil said:

Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which
no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.

Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

I don't find that reference in my copy of the Hivie Hymnal. What page
are
you on, please?


Middius, that's because you haven't written the page about Weil's
incessant hopeless trolling, since I stopped replying to his senseless
posts.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 1/3/2005 12:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . com


Tracer wrote:

Anyone heard these Chinese amps?
Jungson 88c,d
Cayin TA30
Cayin 265AI
Cavent

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why
should anybody care about tubed relics like the Cayin, or slavish
Accuphase clones like the Jungson?








Because some people actually use them in their systems to listen to music. You
might give it a try some time. You might just understand why some people like
tubes. Wait, you understand? Never mind.

On 4 Jan 2005 07:38:59 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


George M. Middius wrote:
dave weil said:

Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which
no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.

Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

I don't find that reference in my copy of the Hivie Hymnal. What page
are
you on, please?


Middius, that's because you haven't written the page about Weil's
incessant hopeless trolling, since I stopped replying to his senseless
posts out of cowardice.

Yes, I seem to be one of the few people who can shut him up.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:49:01 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?

Why do you care? (not that I know what on earth you're talking about)

George M. Middius wrote:

S888Wheel said:

A typical Middius sloppy misattribution:

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why

Because some people actually use them in their systems to listen to
music.

Obviously, someone has confused listening to tube amp audible artifacts
with actual music.


You might give it a try some time.

Been there, done that probably many more times than you.

You might just understand why some people like tubes.

Been there, done that. At this point people who like tube sound seem to
love them for their trolling potential.

Wait, you understand? Never mind.

Messers. Midius and Wheelers Of course I understand. I was listening to
tube amps when your potential older brothers were just your father's
substitute for the real thing.

Where is J. Oberlander to tell us how Krooger is "joking" about his
fear
and hatred of tubes?

Confusion of pity with fear fully noted.
Obie? Obie, where have you gone?

Good question.

S888Wheel wrote:
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 1/3/2005 12:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . com

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why
should anybody care about tubed relics like the Cayin, or slavish
Accuphase clones like the Jungson?

Because some people actually use them in their systems to listen to
music.

Pretty wierd, I'd say. Given all of the well-known problems of tubes,
these people must be deep into self-abuse.

You might give it a try some time.

Been there, done that. I dumped my last tubed amp in or around 1966.
Was your father even in his puberty then, Scott?

You might just understand why some people like tubes.

Having suffered with the well-known and obvious failings of tubes for
years and years when we had no viable option, only increases the
mystery.

Wait, you understand?

Of course I understand. I understand that some people pretend to like
tube audio amps because it makes them feel special.

Never mind.

I don't mind at all, Scott. If you like that much pain with your
audibly distorted music, no skin off my nose.

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:49:01 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Why do you care?

Pure generosity... I know that this kind of petty gossips provide you
strong erections and intense emotions.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:45:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:49:01 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Why do you care?

Pure generosity... I know that this kind of petty gossips provide you
strong erections and intense emotions.

If I were you, I'd save the erotic fantasies for your wife.

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:45:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:49:01 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Why do you care?

Pure generosity... I know that this kind of petty gossips provide you
strong erections and intense emotions.

If I were you, I'd save the erotic fantasies for your wife.

You aren't me, you haven't a wife and Internet is the only exutory to your
dying libido...
I told you, it was pure charity but I wasn't waiting for gratitude from
you. ;-)

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:15:53 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:45:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:49:01 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Why do you care?

Pure generosity... I know that this kind of petty gossips provide you
strong erections and intense emotions.

If I were you, I'd save the erotic fantasies for your wife.

You aren't me, you haven't a wife and Internet is the only exutory to your
dying libido...

Not exactly, but nice try anyway. You're right about one thing - I
don't have a wife. I hope that this choice isn't objectionable to you.

And frankly, my libido still has plenty of life in it, unlike some of
the married people that I know.

I told you, it was pure charity but I wasn't waiting for gratitude from
you. ;-)

Well, I was just curious.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 1/4/2005 10:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .com


S888Wheel wrote:
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 1/3/2005 12:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . com

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why
should anybody care about tubed relics like the Cayin, or slavish
Accuphase clones like the Jungson?

Because some people actually use them in their systems to listen to
music.

Pretty wierd, I'd say.

You say a lot of stupid things. Why should today be any different?

Given all of the well-known problems of tubes,
these people must be deep into self-abuse.

Nah, we just like good sound.



You might give it a try some time.

Been there, done that. I dumped my last tubed amp in or around 1966.

I guess I should have said you should give quality tube gear a try some time in
a quality high end system. I know there was plenty of cheap garbage back when
tube gear was mostly used.


Was your father even in his puberty then, Scott?

Why on earth are you asking such questions Arny? Doesn't this just make the
people accusing you of horrible sexual things seem just a little bit more
credible?



You might just understand why some people like tubes.

Having suffered with the well-known and obvious failings of tubes for
years and years when we had no viable option, only increases the
mystery.

See above on the issue of quality.



Wait, you understand?

Of course I understand.

Make up your mind Arny. You just said it was a mystery to you.


I understand that some people pretend to like
tube audio amps because it makes them feel special.

IOW you don't understand at all. Just as I predicted. Thanks for playing.



Never mind.

I don't mind at all, Scott.

Obviously, you are quite happy to make an ass of yourself here on a regular
basis.

If you like that much pain with your
audibly distorted music, no skin off my nose.


Pain? I think maybe you've been doing this audio thing completely wrong. Are
you really dumb enough to think your playback has no audible distortion in it?
LOL.

S888Wheel wrote:
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 1/4/2005 10:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .com


S888Wheel wrote:
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 1/3/2005 12:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
. com

Given that tubes are oh-so-60s, and this is the 21st century, why
should anybody care about tubed relics like the Cayin, or slavish
Accuphase clones like the Jungson?

Because some people actually use them in their systems to listen
to
music.

Pretty wierd, I'd say.

You say a lot of stupid things. Why should today be any different?

Contrary to popular belief among delusional audiophiles, good sound
doesn't have to be grotesquely inconvenient or hyper-expensive.

Given all of the well-known problems of tubes,
these people must be deep into self-abuse.

Nah, we just like good sound.

Just because its outdated technology doesn't mean it has to sound good.

You might give it a try some time.

Been there, done that. I dumped my last tubed amp in or around 1966.

I guess I should have said you should give quality tube gear a try
some time in
a quality high end system.

Been there, done that. Spending more money on outdated technology can't
overcome its inherent weaknesses.

I know there was plenty of cheap garbage back when
tube gear was mostly used.

True, there is a lot of stuff that tubies still brag about, that is
junk now and was junk then. However, the best tubed equipment can
barely compete with the barely-not-junk class of modern SS electronics.


Was your father even in his puberty then, Scott?

Why on earth are you asking such questions Arny? Doesn't this just
make the
people accusing you of horrible sexual things seem just a little bit
more
credible?

Thanks Scott for admitting that you think that normal hetrosexual
procreation (which was obviously what I was talking about) is a
horrible thought to you.

You might just understand why some people like tubes.

Having suffered with the well-known and obvious failings of tubes
for
years and years when we had no viable option, only increases the
mystery.

See above on the issue of quality.

Spending more money on tubes doesn't cure their inherent ills.

Wait, you understand?

Of course I understand.

Make up your mind Arny. You just said it was a mystery to you.

The mystery is your behavior, Scott. Why do you want audio to be more
difficult than it needs to be?

I understand that some people pretend to like
tube audio amps because it makes them feel special.

IOW you don't understand at all. Just as I predicted. Thanks for
playing.

Mere childish posturing.

Never mind.

I don't mind at all, Scott.

Obviously, you are quite happy to make an ass of yourself here on a
regular
basis.

Scott, I'm not the one in this discussion who made a fool out of
himself before a California Court - you are!

If you like that much pain with your
audibly distorted music, no skin off my nose.

Pain? I think maybe you've been doing this audio thing completely
wrong.

Thanks Scott for admitting that you think that audio has to involve
pain.

Are you really dumb enough to think your playback has no audible
distortion in it?

Where did I say that? I didn't! Obviously the unecessary frustrations
and burdens of tubed audio equipment has unhinged you, Scott.

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:15:53 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:


On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:45:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:49:01 +0100, Lionel
wrote:



dave weil a écrit :


On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:




Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which no
preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Why do you care?

Pure generosity... I know that this kind of petty gossips provide you
strong erections and intense emotions.

If I were you, I'd save the erotic fantasies for your wife.

You aren't me, you haven't a wife and Internet is the only exutory to your
dying libido...


Not exactly, but nice try anyway. You're right about one thing - I
don't have a wife. I hope that this choice isn't objectionable to you.

Not at all, you do what you wanna do with your life

And frankly, my libido still has plenty of life in it,

Good !...
So why are you daily sniffin' Krueger's ass since more than 7 years now ?
Your thoroughness nearly outperforms Middius' sick one

unlike some of the married people that I know.

You are right, marriage doesn't bring any guarantee.

I told you, it was pure charity but I wasn't waiting for gratitude from
you. ;-)


Well, I was just curious.

;-)

Arny Krueger wrote:



Wait, you understand?


Of course I understand. I understand that some people pretend to like
tube audio amps because it makes them feel special.


DAMN! What knowledge, what INSIGHT!! The man is able to perform a
remote, time-spanned mass-psycho-analysis on people all over the globe
with a mere flick of a finger! This ****borg has statues erected to his
name down there in albania somewhere, but given his ubermenchen
abilities, we should perhaps elect the sucker the president of the
world, or the solar sytem, or something.

S888Wheel wrote:

From: "Arny Krueger"


Was your father even in his puberty then, Scott?


Why on earth are you asking such questions Arny? Doesn't this just make the
people accusing you of horrible sexual things seem just a little bit more
credible?


It's his "tell-tale heart".



http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/tt_heart.html

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:06:50 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

And frankly, my libido still has plenty of life in it,

Good !...
So why are you daily sniffin' Krueger's ass since more than 7 years now ?
Your thoroughness nearly outperforms Middius' sick one

Well, why are you sniffing mine?

Answer that and you'll be a little closer to "The TRVTH".

dave weil wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:06:50 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

And frankly, my libido still has plenty of life in it,

Good !...
So why are you daily sniffin' Krueger's ass since more than 7 years now ?
Your thoroughness nearly outperforms Middius' sick one

Well, why are you sniffing mine?

Pure charity... Even Krueger doesn't answer anymore to your provocation. :-)

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:52:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:06:50 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

And frankly, my libido still has plenty of life in it,

Good !...
So why are you daily sniffin' Krueger's ass since more than 7 years now ?
Your thoroughness nearly outperforms Middius' sick one

Well, why are you sniffing mine?

Pure charity... Even Krueger doesn't answer anymore to your provocation. :-)

BZZZT!

Wrong answer. Try again.

dave weil wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:52:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:06:50 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

And frankly, my libido still has plenty of life in it,

Good !...
So why are you daily sniffin' Krueger's ass since more than 7 years now
? Your thoroughness nearly outperforms Middius' sick one

Well, why are you sniffing mine?

Pure charity... Even Krueger doesn't answer anymore to your provocation.
:-)

BZZZT!

Wrong answer. Try again.

LOL!

"Lionel" wrote in message

dave weil a écrit :
On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which
no preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?

Because Middius takes Weil's phone calls.

"Arny Krueger" said:

Because Middius takes Weil's phone calls.

Is letting your wife or daughter taking your calls * any better?


* The Tape.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Arny Krueger a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message


dave weil a écrit :

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which
no preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Because Middius takes Weil's phone calls.


I'm still trying to which one is THE ass-licker...

Arny Krueger a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message


dave weil a écrit :

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which
no preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Because Middius takes Weil's phone calls.


Are you sure ?

I'm still trying to determine which one, between Middius and Weil, is
the ass-licker... :-)

George M. Middius said:

Because Middius takes Weil's phone calls.

Is letting your wife or daughter taking your calls * any better?

* The Tape.

"Roy England? duh... what?"

Talk about a nail in a coffin................

The cat's meow, so to speak.


Note *.


* this new stuff is amazing! Rudiiiiiiiiiiie!!!!!!!!!!

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:29:04 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

Arny Krueger a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message


dave weil a écrit :

On 3 Jan 2005 18:30:06 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Thanks Sander for confusing salient questions about amps for which
no preference had been stated, with preference bashing.


Yes Sander, please let Arnold go on with his preference bashing.

Why aren't you so derisive when Middius express the "overwhelming
consensus of the opinions of wine connoisseurs" (lol) speaking about a
wine that he has never tested ?


Because Middius takes Weil's phone calls.


I'm still trying to which one is THE ass-licker...

Damn Lionel, you should be spending all of this passion on your wifey.

dave weil a écrit :

Damn Lionel, you should be spending all of this passion on your wifey.

Says the envious champion of onanism... ;-)

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:03:03 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :

Damn Lionel, you should be spending all of this passion on your wifey.

Says the envious champion of onanism... ;-)

I'm not the one who seems fascinated with whacking off.

dave weil a écrit :
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:03:03 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :


Damn Lionel, you should be spending all of this passion on your wifey.

Says the envious champion of onanism... ;-)


I'm not the one who seems fascinated with whacking off.

I'm just fascinated by your overall stupidity, Dave.