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I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio
side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther |
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![]() I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther If you don't know Mac or don't have anyone that does your going to have some conflict with its user interface. I use a Mac (400Mhz 1999 G4 with MOTU 24i and DP3) and I think that Mac is all around a better system then PC but many have there own ideas about PC so you may just stir up a hornet's nest with it. You say you need milti track? How many do you need? I can tell you that Peak will not run on a PC (atlest not at this time) DP runs best on a Mac with MOTU hardware, DP4 needs OSX and it better be a very good (hopped up) CPU. What's wrong with or what do you not like about what you have now? One of my favorite sayings is, "if it ant broke, don't try and fix it" |
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![]() I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther If you don't know Mac or don't have anyone that does your going to have some conflict with its user interface. I use a Mac (400Mhz 1999 G4 with MOTU 24i and DP3) and I think that Mac is all around a better system then PC but many have there own ideas about PC so you may just stir up a hornet's nest with it. You say you need milti track? How many do you need? I can tell you that Peak will not run on a PC (atlest not at this time) DP runs best on a Mac with MOTU hardware, DP4 needs OSX and it better be a very good (hopped up) CPU. What's wrong with or what do you not like about what you have now? One of my favorite sayings is, "if it ant broke, don't try and fix it" |
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currently I'm using a bogged down 800Mhz Compaq and I am interfacing with
the board through the standard 1/8" jack in the stock sound card. We've decided to upgrade and do it right and we figured, why not go the whole nine yards and upgrade fully. I'm not looking for many multitrack channels. Like I said, I feel that the M-Audio Quattro will do just fine. We don't do much multitrack recording, but I have come into a few situations where it would have been nice. I have used Mac in the past (my wife has a G4 iBook), it's just that I've never done audio editing on them so I was kind of clueless as for where to start looking for Mac software that is decent. -Luther "Raymond" wrote in message ... I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther If you don't know Mac or don't have anyone that does your going to have some conflict with its user interface. I use a Mac (400Mhz 1999 G4 with MOTU 24i and DP3) and I think that Mac is all around a better system then PC but many have there own ideas about PC so you may just stir up a hornet's nest with it. You say you need milti track? How many do you need? I can tell you that Peak will not run on a PC (atlest not at this time) DP runs best on a Mac with MOTU hardware, DP4 needs OSX and it better be a very good (hopped up) CPU. What's wrong with or what do you not like about what you have now? One of my favorite sayings is, "if it ant broke, don't try and fix it" |
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currently I'm using a bogged down 800Mhz Compaq and I am interfacing with
the board through the standard 1/8" jack in the stock sound card. We've decided to upgrade and do it right and we figured, why not go the whole nine yards and upgrade fully. I'm not looking for many multitrack channels. Like I said, I feel that the M-Audio Quattro will do just fine. We don't do much multitrack recording, but I have come into a few situations where it would have been nice. I have used Mac in the past (my wife has a G4 iBook), it's just that I've never done audio editing on them so I was kind of clueless as for where to start looking for Mac software that is decent. -Luther "Raymond" wrote in message ... I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther If you don't know Mac or don't have anyone that does your going to have some conflict with its user interface. I use a Mac (400Mhz 1999 G4 with MOTU 24i and DP3) and I think that Mac is all around a better system then PC but many have there own ideas about PC so you may just stir up a hornet's nest with it. You say you need milti track? How many do you need? I can tell you that Peak will not run on a PC (atlest not at this time) DP runs best on a Mac with MOTU hardware, DP4 needs OSX and it better be a very good (hopped up) CPU. What's wrong with or what do you not like about what you have now? One of my favorite sayings is, "if it ant broke, don't try and fix it" |
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Luther Bell wrote:
I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther Peak is a simple two-track editor with rock-solid operation whose UI is sometimes a little quirky. That is, it does things like not remember that you like the main window lower on your desktop, and plugin editors show up almost under another window. And that kind of stuff is all nit-pick: the way the program works and sounds, and the way the work flows using it is like any well-made tool, really excellent. A very powerful waveform editor. DP4 is a multitrack audio and MIDI sequencer and editor with every feature you can imagine, and then some. Its waveform editing features are limited, but you can have it use Peak for more demanding tasks, it integrates seamlessly (it hands the section to Peak, and when you close Peak, it hands it back). You can start a war asking anything about Mac/PC differences. I used Cool Edit 2000 for years, but it was lots more stable than the OS (NT4) under it. For that reason I switched to Mac for audio, and never looked back. |
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Luther Bell wrote:
I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther Peak is a simple two-track editor with rock-solid operation whose UI is sometimes a little quirky. That is, it does things like not remember that you like the main window lower on your desktop, and plugin editors show up almost under another window. And that kind of stuff is all nit-pick: the way the program works and sounds, and the way the work flows using it is like any well-made tool, really excellent. A very powerful waveform editor. DP4 is a multitrack audio and MIDI sequencer and editor with every feature you can imagine, and then some. Its waveform editing features are limited, but you can have it use Peak for more demanding tasks, it integrates seamlessly (it hands the section to Peak, and when you close Peak, it hands it back). You can start a war asking anything about Mac/PC differences. I used Cool Edit 2000 for years, but it was lots more stable than the OS (NT4) under it. For that reason I switched to Mac for audio, and never looked back. |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 00:08:33 -0700, Luther Bell wrote
(in article ): I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there... --------------------------------snip---------------------------------- Nobody has recommended ProTools yet, so I'd put in a vote for that. I don't think there's a better multitrack editing/mixing program for the Mac, period. You also might investigate Deck (from Bias, Inc.) and Apple's own Logic. Logic has the advantage over ProTools of being far less expensive, but I would give the edge to ProTools, just on sheer usability, and having the greatest number of users and plug-ins available. --MFW |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 00:08:33 -0700, Luther Bell wrote
(in article ): I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there... --------------------------------snip---------------------------------- Nobody has recommended ProTools yet, so I'd put in a vote for that. I don't think there's a better multitrack editing/mixing program for the Mac, period. You also might investigate Deck (from Bias, Inc.) and Apple's own Logic. Logic has the advantage over ProTools of being far less expensive, but I would give the edge to ProTools, just on sheer usability, and having the greatest number of users and plug-ins available. --MFW |
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Mark wrote
Nobody has recommended ProTools yet, so I'd put in a vote for that. I don't think there's a better multitrack editing/mixing program for the Mac, period. I believe the OP stated that they didn't want to spend that much cash but hands down Pro Tools is the most popular and probably the best for Mac. I've used DP3 (and its earlier versions Digital Performer) as well as Pro Tools and I find that they are very similar in many aspects. Pro Tools 24 hardware had better converters than MOTU's and HD is edging out the new MOTU devices to. I think I would stay with DP3 even if I had more cash to upgrade because of its ease of use with MIDI and I've grown use to it to. I would agree with Deck being something to look at but it would be much easier to go with a MOTU interface as you'll get Audio Desk (audio software) with most all of there units. I use Peak LE for gain make-up after I track and mix in DP3, its an inexpensive two track editor and they work very well together so it would be worth having both programs. |
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Mark wrote
Nobody has recommended ProTools yet, so I'd put in a vote for that. I don't think there's a better multitrack editing/mixing program for the Mac, period. I believe the OP stated that they didn't want to spend that much cash but hands down Pro Tools is the most popular and probably the best for Mac. I've used DP3 (and its earlier versions Digital Performer) as well as Pro Tools and I find that they are very similar in many aspects. Pro Tools 24 hardware had better converters than MOTU's and HD is edging out the new MOTU devices to. I think I would stay with DP3 even if I had more cash to upgrade because of its ease of use with MIDI and I've grown use to it to. I would agree with Deck being something to look at but it would be much easier to go with a MOTU interface as you'll get Audio Desk (audio software) with most all of there units. I use Peak LE for gain make-up after I track and mix in DP3, its an inexpensive two track editor and they work very well together so it would be worth having both programs. |
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In article , Luther Bell
wrote: currently I'm using a bogged down 800Mhz Compaq and I am interfacing with the board through the standard 1/8" jack in the stock sound card. We've decided to upgrade and do it right and we figured, why not go the whole nine yards and upgrade fully. I'm not looking for many multitrack channels. Like I said, I feel that the M-Audio Quattro will do just fine. We don't do much multitrack recording, but I have come into a few situations where it would have been nice. I have used Mac in the past (my wife has a G4 iBook), it's just that I've never done audio editing on them so I was kind of clueless as for where to start looking for Mac software that is decent. Peak is cheap and easy to use, but only 2-track. Performer is excellent, and as a previous poster stated, it works best with MOTU hardware. I am still running Performer 3.1 on a G3 with OS 9.2.1 via a MOTU 2408 and I get excellent results. When I got the system it was 'the latest thing' and it is still more than useable 4 years later. You can get a 2408 (Mk.I) used these days for like $300 or less. Soon, I will upgrade to Performer 4, but I'll need a new computer to do it properly. The G3 isn't fast enough for DP4. If you can get a G4 or G5 with OSX and DP4 you'll be in bliss. Cubase and Logic are also excellent programs with large user bases. Logic is notoriously hard to use but once you conquer it, most users say it is worth the trouble. Cubase is probably the simplest of them all, but I think Performer is better and not MUCH harder to learn for a newbie. Overall, I would say DEFINITELY use a Mac for your audio productions. The user interface of Mac OSX is actually easier, more flexible, and more stable than Windows. Once you adapt to the new way of working, you will be glad you made the effort. JT |
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In article , Luther Bell
wrote: currently I'm using a bogged down 800Mhz Compaq and I am interfacing with the board through the standard 1/8" jack in the stock sound card. We've decided to upgrade and do it right and we figured, why not go the whole nine yards and upgrade fully. I'm not looking for many multitrack channels. Like I said, I feel that the M-Audio Quattro will do just fine. We don't do much multitrack recording, but I have come into a few situations where it would have been nice. I have used Mac in the past (my wife has a G4 iBook), it's just that I've never done audio editing on them so I was kind of clueless as for where to start looking for Mac software that is decent. Peak is cheap and easy to use, but only 2-track. Performer is excellent, and as a previous poster stated, it works best with MOTU hardware. I am still running Performer 3.1 on a G3 with OS 9.2.1 via a MOTU 2408 and I get excellent results. When I got the system it was 'the latest thing' and it is still more than useable 4 years later. You can get a 2408 (Mk.I) used these days for like $300 or less. Soon, I will upgrade to Performer 4, but I'll need a new computer to do it properly. The G3 isn't fast enough for DP4. If you can get a G4 or G5 with OSX and DP4 you'll be in bliss. Cubase and Logic are also excellent programs with large user bases. Logic is notoriously hard to use but once you conquer it, most users say it is worth the trouble. Cubase is probably the simplest of them all, but I think Performer is better and not MUCH harder to learn for a newbie. Overall, I would say DEFINITELY use a Mac for your audio productions. The user interface of Mac OSX is actually easier, more flexible, and more stable than Windows. Once you adapt to the new way of working, you will be glad you made the effort. JT |
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"How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?"
I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther I used to be a long time PC guy. I've used Cakewalk, Sonar, Sound Forge, and Samplitude. Then I decided to switch to Mac. I would never go back. The Mac to me is a more user friendly set-up. I knew more about Macs in 3 years then I did about PCs in 5 years. OSX is great. It practically does everything for you. As for your software, I've used Pro Tools for the last 3 years. It's great. If you don't need a lot of inputs at the same time, get the digi 002. It can be just as good as the full blown system, if you learn how to "budget" your CPU and plug ins. However, I'm doing a lot of MIDI (for film scoring). I checked out DP and now I'm hooked. I think it is a superior program, but not as easy as Pro Tools. If you switch to Mac, there will be a learning curve, but also greater stablity and control with either Pro Tools or Digital Performer. Just as a reality check. My friend here in LA mixes major label albums on Pro tools LE digi 001 with G4 1.2G with only 512RAM!!!!!!! He's a genius with handling his plug ins. In short: Need more than 8 inputs at once, midi or transcriptions, go with DP and like a 2408 or multiple 828mkII 's If not, go with Pro Tools LE....even a used dig 001 and score some free plug ins from a buddy If you want to stay PC, Sonar gets my vote Best Catfish |
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"How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?"
I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther I used to be a long time PC guy. I've used Cakewalk, Sonar, Sound Forge, and Samplitude. Then I decided to switch to Mac. I would never go back. The Mac to me is a more user friendly set-up. I knew more about Macs in 3 years then I did about PCs in 5 years. OSX is great. It practically does everything for you. As for your software, I've used Pro Tools for the last 3 years. It's great. If you don't need a lot of inputs at the same time, get the digi 002. It can be just as good as the full blown system, if you learn how to "budget" your CPU and plug ins. However, I'm doing a lot of MIDI (for film scoring). I checked out DP and now I'm hooked. I think it is a superior program, but not as easy as Pro Tools. If you switch to Mac, there will be a learning curve, but also greater stablity and control with either Pro Tools or Digital Performer. Just as a reality check. My friend here in LA mixes major label albums on Pro tools LE digi 001 with G4 1.2G with only 512RAM!!!!!!! He's a genius with handling his plug ins. In short: Need more than 8 inputs at once, midi or transcriptions, go with DP and like a 2408 or multiple 828mkII 's If not, go with Pro Tools LE....even a used dig 001 and score some free plug ins from a buddy If you want to stay PC, Sonar gets my vote Best Catfish |
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"Luther Bell" wrote in message ...
I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther Are you talking about buying two programs or one? DP4 is a multitrack audio plus midi recording and editing product. Peak is just a 2 track editing product. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com |
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"Luther Bell" wrote in message ...
I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther Are you talking about buying two programs or one? DP4 is a multitrack audio plus midi recording and editing product. Peak is just a 2 track editing product. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com |
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(Mike) wrote: "Luther Bell" wrote in message ... I work at a concert hall that is thinking of upgrading it's digital audio side of things. Mainly computers, DAWs and affiliated items. I'm trying to decide which route to take. PC or MAC. We don't have enough money to run out and buy ProTools, so I am opting for the M-Audio Quattro. A nice little slightly cheap interface. All I really want is a decent balanced feed into my computer for editing purposes. The part that I can't decide on is the quality/user-friendliness of PC and MAC programs. I started a couple years ago using Sound Forge, but then I moved onto Syntrillium's Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition). I like the simplicity and various options of CEP. What I don't know anything about are Mac audio editing programs. I have come across MOTU's DP4 and BIAS's Peak 4.1. My question is: "How do these two programs compare to their Windows counterparts?" I am mainly looking for an audio editing program. Multitrack capability is also a factor. Those are pretty much my only two stipulations. If the program has extra features, so be it. So, could you please enlighten me on other Mac audio editing software out there...Thanks -Luther Are you talking about buying two programs or one? DP4 is a multitrack audio plus midi recording and editing product. Peak is just a 2 track editing product. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com If anyone is interested, the latest version of Peak does let you burn CD's... can't do that in DP yet (that I know of). The OP wants more than just 2 tracks so DP would be the way to go if the choice were between Peak and DP. As to how they compare to their Windows counterparts, I can't really say, but I do know DP is quite full featured and has WAY more stuff than I'll probably ever use... the nice thing is that the 'stuff' isn't necessarily in your way if you don't need it. I really like the interface, myself. The OP didn't really talk about any criteria for the editing he plans to do. Doing so might help accomplish his task. I'm using DP with Peak configured as the external editor... works great for me. Steve |
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