Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...


Chirac lashes out against US cultural domination
Thu Oct 07 2004 21:37:42 ET

French President Jacques Chirac warned Thursday of a "catastrophe" for
global diversity if the United States' cultural hegemony goes
unchallenged.

Speaking at a French cultural center in Hanoi ahead of Friday's
opening of a summit of European and Asian leaders, Chirac said France
was right to stand up for cultural and linguistic diversity.

The outspoken French president warned that the world's different
cultures could be "choked" by US values.

This, he said, would lead to a "general world sub-culture" based
around the English language, which would be "a real ecological
catastrophe".

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.

Vietnam is a former French colony, but only around 375,000 of its 81
million people speak French. English is considered by most people a
far more valuable and practical second language, particularly among
businessmen.

pyjamarama wrote:

"Pajama-boy the last US super-hero is farting again..."
HeyBoy it is time now that you switch from bean to an other diet...
We are a little bit tired of your super-WMDs-gas !!!! :-)

"pyjamarama" wrote in message
om...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to think
Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
. com...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to think
Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

paul packer wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
.com...

Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to think
Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW



Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

I am sure he doesn't understand the question. :-)

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
.com...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to
think
Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

It makes as much sense as Michael Moore claiming he makes documentaries.

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Stephen

From: (paul packer)
Date: 10/8/2004 11:51 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
.com...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to think

Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?







Who is this Hollywood fellow you guys keep talking about?

MINe 109 wrote:
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:


"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.


Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Yes you are right.
The first time I read him I thought that McKelvy and Rambô were only one
person. ;-)

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.

In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.

It's odd you think of Ed Asner as any kind of tail.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Clyde Slick said:

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties

Give me "lunatic lefties" any time rather than the righteous reactionaries
you worship, Slick.


I worship the radical centrists

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
.com...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to
think
Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values.

the act remains very good.

It may be a sad fact but where to put blame and more importantly... how to
fix it?

Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

No, Wake up world, movies and entertainment TV aren't real life America.
Oh my god.... the shockwave around the world.

ScottW

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: (paul packer)
Date: 10/8/2004 11:51 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
e.com...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to
think

Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?



Who is this Hollywood fellow you guys keep talking about?

It's this corrupt ******* who will produce anything people will watch, preys
on all the weaknesses of humanity and gives America a bad rap. Frank Zappa
described him best in The Slime.

ScottW

ScottW wrote:

It's this corrupt ******* who will produce anything people will watch, preys
on all the weaknesses of humanity and gives America a bad rap. Frank Zappa
described him best in The Slime.

I am amazed that you are make a reference to Zappa.
I guess that you know what Zappa said about reactionary guys like you ? ;-)


ScottW

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.
Thank you for admitting you are inconsequential.

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
MINe 109 wrote:
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:


"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.


Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Yes you are right.
The first time I read him I thought that McKelvy and Rambô were only one
person. ;-)

Not surprising that you are so easily confused.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
link.net...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American
culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.
Thank you for admitting you are inconsequential.
OOPS! I thought that I was addressing Lionel.

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
link.net...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:


"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American
culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.


Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.

Thank you for admitting you are inconsequential.

OOPS! I thought that I was addressing Lionel.

LOL, a "Collateral damage" :-D

From: "ScottW"
Date: 10/9/2004 9:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: hwU9d.12482$_a3.1772@fed1read05


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: (paul packer)
Date: 10/8/2004 11:51 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
le.com...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to
think

Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?



Who is this Hollywood fellow you guys keep talking about?

It's this corrupt ******* who will produce anything people will watch, preys
on all the weaknesses of humanity and gives America a bad rap. Frank Zappa
described him best in The Slime.

ScottW


Sounds like a fictional character to me. Did "Finding Nemo" give us a bad rap?
Did it prey on all the weaknesses of humanity? Granted a lot of people did
watch this particular film. You may have a point there. If it has an audience
there is some one in L.A. who will produce it. But I thought you were a in
favor of a free market system. Not for film?

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
link.net...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American
culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.
Thank you for admitting you are inconsequential.


Duh Mikey,
I was talking about Asner.
Are you telling me you agree with hiim?

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:


And they **** in the Streets,
Down in France

So what ?


As a sewer worker, its your job to clean it up.
Climb down that manhole and get back to work.

From: MINe 109
Date: 10/9/2004 7:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Stephen







You think there is something wrong with The Terminator? I thought it was a
great scifi flick. James Cameron may be an ass hole but he did make some
excellent movies. In his case I'd rather have the world see the product and not
the person. By the way no one by the name of Hollywood told Cameron what to do
when he made this movie.

From: "ScottW"
Date: 10/9/2004 9:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: wrU9d.12480$_a3.5335@fed1read05


"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:09 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"pyjamarama" wrote in message
e.com...
Seems the French problem with the U.S. is envy after all...

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example,
Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries
maintain their cultural heritage.


This is pretty funny. While much of the world goes gaga over the trash
hollywood produces Americans wonder how people can be so shallow as to
think
Hollywood represents American culture. I think this is what spawned the
saying, "Get a life".

ScottW


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values.

the act remains very good.

It may be a sad fact but where to put blame and more importantly... how to
fix it?

Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

No, Wake up world, movies and entertainment TV aren't real life America.
Oh my god.... the shockwave around the world.

ScottW









I got news for you folks. "Hollywood" as in American film to a large part *is*
American culture and American culture was for the twentieth century the most
significant and memerable culture in the world.

In article ,
(S888Wheel) wrote:

From: MINe 109
Date: 10/9/2004 7:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

You think there is something wrong with The Terminator? I thought it was a
great scifi flick. James Cameron may be an ass hole but he did make some
excellent movies.

The film's fine, although one could point to "Robocop" for a more sly
take on US culture.

In his case I'd rather have the world see the product and
not the person. By the way no one by the name of Hollywood told Cameron what to
do when he made this movie.

http://www.detnews.com/2000/sports/0...0331-28082.htm

Hollywood is a true US story...

Clyde Slick wrote:


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:


And they **** in the Streets,
Down in France

So what ?


As a sewer worker, its your job to clean it up.
Climb down that manhole and get back to work.

LOL, in France sewer workers knows a lot more about history than
intellectuals in USA... Did you learn the difference between Noriega and
Allende, eh idiot ?
Anyway, I feel better in my sewer.

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
link.net...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American
culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.
Thank you for admitting you are inconsequential.


Duh Mikey,
I was talking about Asner.
Are you telling me you agree with hiim?
Moments after I wrote the above, I realized I'd made a mistake and posted
it. Sorry I missed it, I thought at the time I was responding to Lionel.

Having heard Asner interviewed I'm convinced of his absolute lunacy. He
doesn't care a whit about facts or proof, he gives new meaning to the phrase
conspiracy theorist. He's a ****ing loon.

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:


And they **** in the Streets,
Down in France

So what ?


As a sewer worker, its your job to clean it up.
Climb down that manhole and get back to work.

I think you got that wrong, he's not a sewer worker, he's sewage.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
link.net...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
link.net...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the
world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American
culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed
Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

Its good to know that the lunatic fringe is so
inconsequentail.
Thank you for admitting you are inconsequential.


Duh Mikey,
I was talking about Asner.
Are you telling me you agree with hiim?
Moments after I wrote the above, I realized I'd made a mistake and posted
it. Sorry I missed it, I thought at the time I was responding to Lionel.

Having heard Asner interviewed I'm convinced of his absolute lunacy. He
doesn't care a whit about facts or proof, he gives new meaning to the
phrase conspiracy theorist. He's a ****ing loon.

Typecast for the part as a metropolitan tv station news manager

From: George M. Middius
Date: 10/9/2004 3:40 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:



S888Wheel said:

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

You think there is something wrong with The Terminator? I thought it was a
great scifi flick.

Did I say stern? I should have said shrill.

Because I like the Terminator?



James Cameron may be an ass hole but he did make some
excellent movies. In his case I'd rather have the world see the product and
not
the person.

It was that other movie that was named for Cameron's ego.

Ever notice that it is more or less a remake of The Terminator? The guy can't
stop making the same movie.



By the way no one by the name of Hollywood told Cameron what to do
when he made this movie.

Wrong! The studio honchos, upon hearing the proposed budget, gave explicit
instructions about the expected BO, and the consequences to Cameron of not
following those instructions.

What instructions are you speaking of? I read the original script before the
movie ever came out. Cameron's script and Cameron's movie look pretty close to
me. Hell, the "directors cut" looks exactly like the original script as far as
I can remember.

From: MINe 109
Date: 10/9/2004 4:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(S888Wheel) wrote:

From: MINe 109
Date: 10/9/2004 7:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values. Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

You mean, do all of those off the wall lunatic lefties represent
American values and culture? Rosie O'Donnell? Richard Gere? Ed Asner?
Not really.

Not Hollywood people, Hollywood product. More people world-wide know
about Rambo and the Terminator than about Ed Asner's politics.

You think there is something wrong with The Terminator? I thought it was a
great scifi flick. James Cameron may be an ass hole but he did make some
excellent movies.

The film's fine, although one could point to "Robocop" for a more sly
take on US culture.

of course but mostly becuse it was intended to be that.The Terminator was just
scifi story telling. There was no substantial attempt to comment on American
culture in The Terminator. That was the jist of Robocop.



In his case I'd rather have the world see the product and
not the person. By the way no one by the name of Hollywood told Cameron
what to
do when he made this movie.

http://www.detnews.com/2000/sports/0...0331-28082.htm

Hollywood is a true US story...


Talk about getting a second chance in life. as a Rams fan from that era I
thought it was wierd for a Dallas Cowboy to call himself Hollywood.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

Who is this Hollywood fellow you guys keep talking about?

It's this corrupt ******* who will produce anything people will watch,
preys
on all the weaknesses of humanity and gives America a bad rap. Frank
Zappa
described him best in The Slime.

ScottW


Sounds like a fictional character to me. Did "Finding Nemo" give us a bad
rap?

I'm certain Aussie dentist and their nieces hate us for it.

Did it prey on all the weaknesses of humanity? Granted a lot of people did
watch this particular film. You may have a point there. If it has an
audience
there is some one in L.A. who will produce it. But I thought you were a in
favor of a free market system. Not for film?

I was being sarcastic.... if someone must be blamed for getting the wrong
impression of America from films, I nominate the viewer.

ScottW

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...


Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values.

the act remains very good.

It may be a sad fact but where to put blame and more importantly... how
to
fix it?

Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

No, Wake up world, movies and entertainment TV aren't real life America.
Oh my god.... the shockwave around the world.

ScottW


I got news for you folks. "Hollywood" as in American film to a large part
*is*
American culture and American culture was for the twentieth century the
most
significant and memerable culture in the world.

Main Entry: 1cul·ture
Pronunciation: 'k&l-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin cultura,
from cultus, past participle
1 : CULTIVATION, TILLAGE
2 : the act of developing the intellectual and moral faculties
especially by education
3 : expert care and training beauty culture
4 a : enlightenment and excellence of taste acquired by intellectual
and aesthetic training b : acquaintance with and taste in fine arts,
humanities, and broad aspects of science as distinguished from vocational
and technical skills
5 a : the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior
that depends upon man's capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to
succeeding generations b : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material
traits of a racial, religious, or social group c : the set of shared
attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes a company or
corporation
6 : cultivation of living material in prepared nutrient media; also :
a product of such cultivation


Exactly where does the typical hollywood movie fit in the above?
I think a popular form of entertainment has little to do with culture beyond
some influence on attitude and values. This is fleeting at best and usually
insignificant. George had it right... the world views movies as far more
representative of America than it is.

ScottW

From:
Date: 10/9/2004 11:22 PM Pacific Standard Time

1 : CULTIVATION, TILLAGE 2 : the act of developing the intellectual and
moral faculties especially by education 3 : expert care and training
beauty culture 4 a : enlightenment and excellence of taste acquired by
intellectual and aesthetic training b : acquaintance with and taste in fine
arts, humanities, and broad aspects of science as distinguished from vocational
and technical skills 5 a : the integrated pattern of human knowledge,
belief, and behavior that depends upon man's capacity for learning and
transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations b : the customary beliefs,
social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group c :
the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes a
company or corporation 6 : cultivation of living material in prepared
nutrient media; also : a product of such cultivationExactly where does the
typical hollywood movie fit in the above?

what is a "typical hollywood movie?" I'll tell you where I feel the legacy of
"hollywood" films fits though. 4a, 4b, 5a, 5b,


I think a popular form of entertainment has little to do with culture beyond
some influence on attitude and values.

I think our legacy of film making encompasses more that just popular
entertainment and I think popular entertainment is a part of culture.

This is fleeting at best and usually insignificant. George had it right... the
world views movies as far more representative of America than it is.

I am not so sure "the world" views our movies as particularly representative of
America. I have heard stories of foriegn travelers expressing their surprise
when they find no cowboys and indians walking around everywhere but I have yet
to run across this phenomenon. OTOH I do expect the people in India to break
out in massive song and dance numbers if I ever visit.

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:35:35 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:

Americans may wonder, but the act remains that to much of the world,
especially the Third World, Hollywood DOES represent American culture
and values.

the act remains very good.

Is it my fault the f fell off the screen after I typed it?

It may be a sad fact but where to put blame and more importantly... how to
fix it?

Fix the blame? It's more important that Americans realize what kind of
image they're projecting to the rest of the world and stop asking
stupidly, "Why does everyone hate us?" as if it was some great
mystery. All most non-Americans, particularly in the non--travelling
Third World-- know of America is what they see and hear of its popular
culture. And that's not good, at least not to those who cling to any
sort of standard in their lives.

Are you happy to have Hollywood representing you?

No, Wake up world, movies and entertainment TV aren't real life America.
Oh my god.... the shockwave around the world.

Is this sarcasm? The world won't wake up, and certainly not some young
terrorist in a cave in Afghanistan. It's time for the US to wake up.

ScottW

On 10 Oct 2004 06:54:05 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

George had it right... the
world views movies as far more representative of America than it is.

Yes, but the point is that American popular culture, taken at face
value, is leading to hatred and revulsion of Americans in countries
that still maintain religious and cultural standards. If Americans
want to lessen that hatred they need to think about modifying the
image they're projecting. For instance, it's been shown time and again
that more conservative viewers, including millions in the US itself,
are still surprisingly sensitive to bad language in films, yet
Hollywood seems to make a particular piont of inserting as much bad
language into even the most inappropriate, PG rated films, almost as
if they're trying to throw it in people's faces. I mean, did you ever
hear anyone walk out of a picture and say, "I hated that. They didn't
say '****' enough." If it's a movie about marines or merchant seamen,
sure, you expect language, but Hollywood seems determined to get it in
everywhere, even to the point where you think, "Come on, that
character wouldn't swear like that!" It just doesn't make any sense.

I am not so sure "the world" views our movies as particularly representative of
America.

Maybe you need to live in a remote town in Turkistan for a while.

I have heard stories of foriegn travelers expressing their surprise
when they find no cowboys and indians walking around everywhere but I have yet
to run across this phenomenon. OTOH I do expect the people in India to break
out in massive song and dance numbers if I ever visit.

You're educated and--dare I say it?--sophisticated. Try to think
yourself into the mind set of those who are neither of those things,
people to whom TV is still a wondrous box of tricks that never lies.
If you still can.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:36:10 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:



paul packer said:

George had it right... the
world views movies as far more representative of America than it is.

Yes, but the point is that American popular culture, taken at face
value, is leading to hatred and revulsion of Americans in countries
that still maintain religious and cultural standards.

I think that's ridiculous.

Of course. Those in synch with the popular culture are rarely able to
see it through the eyes of others. What kind of view do you think some
devout muslem in Iran would take of Die Hard 2, say, or a gangster rap
song? (Did I say song?) Not that he'd be allowed to see or hear these
things, and probably just as well. But one needs to look at the
culture as one who hasn't been brought up to it, as someone who's
spent half his life in a seminary reciting the Koran.

If America is hated, at least among countries we
haven't victimized, it's because our corporations are greedy and ruthless,
our governments far from statesmanlike, and our hypocrisy as bad as
anything you'd find among tin-pot dictators and backwater religious
mugwumps. If I lived in a small, poor, not-very-powerful country, I might
resent the richest country in the world appearing so venal.

None of that helps either. It wouldn't hurt the US to start forgiving
the debts of a few small nations as the UK is doing right now. By
their own admission they're trying to set the example, but I don't
like their chances.

From: (paul packer)
Date: 10/10/2004 4:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On 10 Oct 2004 06:54:05 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

George had it right... the
world views movies as far more representative of America than it is.

Yes, but the point is that American popular culture, taken at face
value, is leading to hatred and revulsion of Americans in countries
that still maintain religious and cultural standards. If Americans
want to lessen that hatred they need to think about modifying the
image they're projecting. For instance, it's been shown time and again
that more conservative viewers, including millions in the US itself,
are still surprisingly sensitive to bad language in films, yet
Hollywood seems to make a particular piont of inserting as much bad
language into even the most inappropriate, PG rated films, almost as
if they're trying to throw it in people's faces. I mean, did you ever
hear anyone walk out of a picture and say, "I hated that. They didn't
say '****' enough." If it's a movie about marines or merchant seamen,
sure, you expect language, but Hollywood seems determined to get it in
everywhere, even to the point where you think, "Come on, that
character wouldn't swear like that!" It just doesn't make any sense.

Indeed, perhaps if we had less swearing in our movies the Trade Towers might
still be standing. No doubt the mass hatred we suffer abroad is a direct result
of our tasteless movies being forced upon the poor ignorant masses and has
nothing whatsoever to do with our foreign policies.



I am not so sure "the world" views our movies as particularly representative
of
America.

Maybe you need to live in a remote town in Turkistan for a while.

Is this where they are being forced to watch such excesively violent and vulgar
"hollywood" movies? Are the poor ignorant people of these remote towns forced
to watch Pulp Fiction over and over again until they are obsessed with rage
against "American pop culture?" I have spent plenty of time over seas. And,
believe it or not, I do talk to people about our country and how they feel
about it. Not one person has ever cited the movies as a source of their
opinions about us. It is my impression that they'd be quite happy if all we did
to the world was inflict our movies and music upon it.



I have heard stories of foriegn travelers expressing their surprise
when they find no cowboys and indians walking around everywhere but I have
yet
to run across this phenomenon. OTOH I do expect the people in India to break
out in massive song and dance numbers if I ever visit.

You're educated and--dare I say it?--sophisticated. Try to think
yourself into the mind set of those who are neither of those things,
people to whom TV is still a wondrous box of tricks that never lies.
If you still can.

Thank goodness my education has not made so morally or intelectually arogant
that I would believe the people of the world see the TV as "a wonderous box of
tricks that never lies." Do you think that if you show people in other
countries a transistor radio that they will make you a god? What you clearly
don't get is that our movies are watched on a voluntary basis by people abroad
and are taken for what they were meant to be. Are you one of those people who
believes video games makes other, lesser educated people, violent? Are you one
of those dorks that thinks listening to Judas Priest causes teen suicide? Did
you go to any Wizard of Oz book burning parties? Do you find Harry Potter to be
a threat to the morality of our children? Do you think Osama Bin Laden's rage
was induced by watching Rocky movies? Particularly Rocky III and IV?

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:38:12 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:



paul packer said:

Fix the blame? It's more important that Americans realize what kind of
image they're projecting to the rest of the world and stop asking
stupidly, "Why does everyone hate us?" as if it was some great
mystery.

America is the only rich Western nation in which the President is so
terrified of Gay people that he tried to amend the constitution.

Is there some reason you capitalise "Gay"? Not a Freudian slip by any
chance?