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I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being
fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Alan Peterman wrote: I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. The Thorens manual for the TD-146 (also TD-166 MKII) says: 16 VAC @ 140 mA -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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I wrote:
I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. The Thorens manual for the TD-146 (also TD-166 MKII) says: 16 VAC @ 140 mA -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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I wrote:
I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. The Thorens manual for the TD-146 (also TD-166 MKII) says: 16 VAC @ 140 mA -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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I wrote:
I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. The Thorens manual for the TD-146 (also TD-166 MKII) says: 16 VAC @ 140 mA -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Alan Peterman wrote: I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Alan Peterman wrote: I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Alan Peterman wrote: I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Is a 300ma supply enough?? That's less than 5 watts. The folks at Thorens USA say that's correct. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Len Moskowitz wrote: I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? http://www.theanalogdept.com/manuals.htm - may or may not be of use, someone recently posted the link in some similar context, so I happened to have it in my browser history for yesterday. Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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![]() Len Moskowitz wrote: I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? http://www.theanalogdept.com/manuals.htm - may or may not be of use, someone recently posted the link in some similar context, so I happened to have it in my browser history for yesterday. Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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![]() Len Moskowitz wrote: I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? http://www.theanalogdept.com/manuals.htm - may or may not be of use, someone recently posted the link in some similar context, so I happened to have it in my browser history for yesterday. Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. Two of the bridge diodes were dead. While I was in there I replaced the two electrolytic caps and the LM324N. It's working! By the way, I've found a source for the service manual. When it arrives I'll try to upload it to one of the turntable site (probably www.vinylengine.com). Thanks to all for the help. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. Two of the bridge diodes were dead. While I was in there I replaced the two electrolytic caps and the LM324N. It's working! By the way, I've found a source for the service manual. When it arrives I'll try to upload it to one of the turntable site (probably www.vinylengine.com). Thanks to all for the help. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. Two of the bridge diodes were dead. While I was in there I replaced the two electrolytic caps and the LM324N. It's working! By the way, I've found a source for the service manual. When it arrives I'll try to upload it to one of the turntable site (probably www.vinylengine.com). Thanks to all for the help. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. Two of the bridge diodes were dead. While I was in there I replaced the two electrolytic caps and the LM324N. It's working! By the way, I've found a source for the service manual. When it arrives I'll try to upload it to one of the turntable site (probably www.vinylengine.com). Thanks to all for the help. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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On my TD166, I hadn't used it for about a year. When I finally did turn it
on, I discovered that one of the power supply electrolytic caps had shorted. Pete Robert Gault wrote in message ... Len Moskowitz wrote: Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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On my TD166, I hadn't used it for about a year. When I finally did turn it
on, I discovered that one of the power supply electrolytic caps had shorted. Pete Robert Gault wrote in message ... Len Moskowitz wrote: Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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On my TD166, I hadn't used it for about a year. When I finally did turn it
on, I discovered that one of the power supply electrolytic caps had shorted. Pete Robert Gault wrote in message ... Len Moskowitz wrote: Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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On my TD166, I hadn't used it for about a year. When I finally did turn it
on, I discovered that one of the power supply electrolytic caps had shorted. Pete Robert Gault wrote in message ... Len Moskowitz wrote: Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. Make sure that none of the diodes in the full wave bridge have blown. This is frequently a problem. |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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![]() Robert Gault wrote: What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? The regulator diodes are overheating, indicating a short somewhere. The two analog ICs (LM324N and MC34001) are not getting Vcc. I disconnected the motor (which should be run by 110 VAC anyway) and saw no change (as expected). I pulled both ICs and saw no change. There's one small three-terminal device that could be either a voltage regulator or a pass transistor -- that's the next thing I'll look at. Anyone know what voltage Thorens runs its analog ICs at? I'm trying to track down a schematic or service manual for the TD-146. All leads appreciated. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? |
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Len Moskowitz wrote:
I have a Thorens TD-146 turntable whose motor doesn't turn. It's being fed by a new 16 VAC/300 mA wall wart. Anyone know what typically goes wrong with these? Anyone have schematics? From looking at the PCB, it seems to have a full wave rectifier circuit, one transistor (with no identification), an LM324, an MC34001 and miscellaneous passive parts (caps and resistors). What kind of waveform drives the motor's four terminals? What voltage, if any, do you read at the motor terminals? Likewise as you move from the wall mart through the PCB board? |
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