I know this has already been discussed but I finally went out and got
the DVD and just have to shout from the roof tops how great it is!

I was on the road for a long time with a monsterously talented
keyboardist. He was into so many differant styles of music and had
quite a critical ear. He had also been to hundreds of concerts. I
asked him one time. What was the best show you've seen. He said;
"Led Zeppelin in 1970". I was puzzled by this as I had seen "The Song
Remains the Same" and I couldn't relate to how my friend had been so
profoundly impressed. Well this DVD answers all that.

The DVD is literally riveting.

First off the sound is great. Most of it is very well recorded. The
band plays with dynamics I haven't heard in a live recording... from
monster loud to literally whispering.... Along with the close camera
work it sounds and looks like your right on stage with them. Very
intimate.

The DVD also showed me something I wasn't aware of - John Paul Jones
is an amasing bass player.

Regards
IR

If god had ever said 'Let there be a band!' in the bible, Led Zeppelin would
appear.

One of, if not THE best bands out there. This is why the DVD and HTWWW were
on the top of the charts last year. Still pretty high. Amazing for a band
that's had its prime over 20 years ago, and is still recognized as an
amazing group.

The sound on the DVD is excellent especially on a 5.1 system with a good
subwoofer. I especially like the drums. John Bonham, moby dick, man the
whole place just shook. Of course, you could record a band like Led Zeppelin
with a .15ISP childs tape recorder and itll still sound awesome!

Also the guitar and bass come in very well. The intro to 'since i've been
loving you' gives me chills everytime I watch and hear that. It is MY
favorite DVD out of over 120 I have :-).

Dave

"Iowa Recorder" wrote in message
om...
I know this has already been discussed but I finally went out and got
the DVD and just have to shout from the roof tops how great it is!

I was on the road for a long time with a monsterously talented
keyboardist. He was into so many differant styles of music and had
quite a critical ear. He had also been to hundreds of concerts. I
asked him one time. What was the best show you've seen. He said;
"Led Zeppelin in 1970". I was puzzled by this as I had seen "The Song
Remains the Same" and I couldn't relate to how my friend had been so
profoundly impressed. Well this DVD answers all that.

The DVD is literally riveting.

First off the sound is great. Most of it is very well recorded. The
band plays with dynamics I haven't heard in a live recording... from
monster loud to literally whispering.... Along with the close camera
work it sounds and looks like your right on stage with them. Very
intimate.

The DVD also showed me something I wasn't aware of - John Paul Jones
is an amasing bass player.

Regards
IR

I have the DVD. i.m.o. Bonham was the biggest ingredient followed by
Robert Plant. JPJ may even come in ahead of Page, who I do agree is a
great guitarist, but possibly over-rated.

I love this Dvd and love Zeppelin and also find JP.Jones great and truly
underated, but Page ain't no great guitarist and even in this dvd he is off
time a lot and very sloppy, he had great vision and great ideas that I don't
think he could perform the way he heard it in his head....


"Rob Adelman" wrote in message
...
I have the DVD. i.m.o. Bonham was the biggest ingredient followed by
Robert Plant. JPJ may even come in ahead of Page, who I do agree is a
great guitarist, but possibly over-rated.

They are all great, but I have to admit JPJ is underated and was a huge part
of the band, especially in the song/riff writing aspect.

"Rob Adelman" wrote in message
...
I have the DVD. i.m.o. Bonham was the biggest ingredient followed by
Robert Plant. JPJ may even come in ahead of Page, who I do agree is a
great guitarist, but possibly over-rated.

In article ,
says...

The DVD is literally riveting.

I'm not a Zep freak, but I have to agree. I picked that DVD up several
months ago, and was completely blown away by the first 30 minutes or so.
What a staggeringly talented band.

In particular, I was SO impressed by Robert Plant. Prior to buying the
DVD, I would have put him at the bottom of the Zep totem pole in terms
of talent, with Page & Bonham tied at the top. Now, I'd be hard-pressed
not to put Plant at the top, followed by Bonham, Jones, and then Page.

Of course, they were a true ensemble, the sum of which was greater than
the parts. Still, Plant blew me away.

jim andrews
basset sound
austin, tx

There's an interesting interview with Kevin Shirley in the November 2003
Sound-On-Sound. Turns out the whole project (album and DVD) was
assembled in ProTools HD with, like, a terabyte of storage online to
play with. Must be nice...

--
Eric Frampton, keyboards Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://www.ericframpton.com

On 9 Mar 2004 11:52:58 -0800, (Iowa Recorder) wrote:

I know this has already been discussed but I finally went out and got
the DVD and just have to shout from the roof tops how great it is!


Here's an interesting site if you want to find out about the edits . .
..

http://www.simplyled.net/thegardentapes.html

Same for the Beatles, IMO, although you could argue that Ringo didn't do
much for them.

-----------------
You could argue that - but you'd be wrong.....
Just one guy's opinion....
-Phil Aiken

really, I found it disappointing, When I was a kid I loved Led Zep,
especially Albums 1 & 2. I thought the band great and Jimmy Page one hell
of a guitar player. Years later when I saw Song Remains the Same, I thought
the John Paula Jones And Bonham sounded fine. Plant and Page were a big let
down. especially Jimmy Page. I had always heard that early Zep was amazing,
that Jimmy Page was great on the early Zep tours. That DVD shows me that the
rest of the band was good, Plant before he blew it out was that guy on the
first 2 records. Jimmy Page's playing is a mess, just really sloppy, really
disappointing that a guy with great ideas and very good execution at least
on the first record couldn't get that together live.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: jim andrews
Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 05:49:06 GMT
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

In article ,
says...

The DVD is literally riveting.

I'm not a Zep freak, but I have to agree. I picked that DVD up several
months ago, and was completely blown away by the first 30 minutes or so.
What a staggeringly talented band.

In particular, I was SO impressed by Robert Plant. Prior to buying the
DVD, I would have put him at the bottom of the Zep totem pole in terms
of talent, with Page & Bonham tied at the top. Now, I'd be hard-pressed
not to put Plant at the top, followed by Bonham, Jones, and then Page.

Of course, they were a true ensemble, the sum of which was greater than
the parts. Still, Plant blew me away.

jim andrews
basset sound
austin, tx

Page's sloppyness is part of the style. That music makes me feel good, I
dont care if that 32nd note was exactly in place. Plus, the band together
grooved very well. It doesnt matter is everyone screwes up just as long as
they do it all together. Zeppelin was a great band and they all have some
ESP going on up on stage. Each other knew exactly what the other was
thinking, just listen to their music.

Dave

"Eric" wrote in message
...
There's an interesting interview with Kevin Shirley in the November 2003
Sound-On-Sound. Turns out the whole project (album and DVD) was
assembled in ProTools HD with, like, a terabyte of storage online to
play with. Must be nice...

--
Eric Frampton, keyboards Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://www.ericframpton.com

"Phil Aiken" wrote in message
om...
-----------------
You could argue that - but you'd be wrong.....
Just one guy's opinion....

Well... what I meant was, if Ringo had been replaced the Beatles might
not have fallen apart, but without any of the 4, Zeppelin definitely
would've fallen apart (and did).

ryanm

"Wulfye" wrote in message
. ..
I love this Dvd and love Zeppelin and also find JP.Jones great and truly
underated, but Page ain't no great guitarist and even in this dvd he is
off
time a lot and very sloppy, he had great vision and great ideas that I
don't
think he could perform the way he heard it in his head....

That's just how Pagey plays. There are two thing you have to remember,
when looking at Page as a player. First is that he *can* play accurately,
I've seen video of him as a kid beating down bad ass banjo players with his
speed and accuracy. He plays sloppy and out of time as a style, not because
he simply couldn't play what he heard in his head. Remember, he was one of
the few rock players in those days who *could* play those blistering licks.
Today his stuff may seem run-of-the-mill and dissapointing, but only in
context with all the younger guitarists who learned how to play by watching
Page. It's easy to be impressively tall when you're standing on someone
else's shoulders.

The second thing is, I would like to see how accurately you play full of
heroin and whatever else they were taking at the time... ; )

ryanm

ryanm wrote:



Well... what I meant was, if Ringo had been replaced the Beatles might
not have fallen apart, but without any of the 4, Zeppelin definitely
would've fallen apart (and did).

But Zep may have survived with a replacement guitarist, possibly
bassist, but not without Bonham or Plant.

Bull****, Page's sloppiness was probably because of the drugs and alcohol.
He sure aint sloppy on Led Zep 1. The band grooved because bonham and John
Paul Jones were still solid live. The songs were great the albums were
great, But every solo Page took on that dvd was a let down. Its too bad
since the guy had such a great imagination
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: "DaveDrummer"
Organization: Road Runner
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:38:14 GMT
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

Page's sloppyness is part of the style. That music makes me feel good, I
dont care if that 32nd note was exactly in place. Plus, the band together
grooved very well. It doesnt matter is everyone screwes up just as long as
they do it all together. Zeppelin was a great band and they all have some
ESP going on up on stage. Each other knew exactly what the other was
thinking, just listen to their music.

Dave

"Eric" wrote in message
...
There's an interesting interview with Kevin Shirley in the November 2003
Sound-On-Sound. Turns out the whole project (album and DVD) was
assembled in ProTools HD with, like, a terabyte of storage online to
play with. Must be nice...

--
Eric Frampton, keyboards Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://www.ericframpton.com

So its not really his style, its the dope. If it was his style why didn't he
play that way on the early records, He was just formulating a style to be
that sloppy? He certainly did play well on those records, he did at one
point in time have chops, it just ain't anywhere on that dvd. FWIW I am I
fan, just a disappointed one. Its too bad he let drugs and alcohol get in
the way.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: "ryanm"
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Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:55:56 -0600
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

That's just how Pagey plays. There are two thing you have to remember,
when looking at Page as a player. First is that he *can* play accurately,
I've seen video of him as a kid beating down bad ass banjo players with his
speed and accuracy. He plays sloppy and out of time as a style, not because
he simply couldn't play what he heard in his head. Remember, he was one of
the few rock players in those days who *could* play those blistering licks.
Today his stuff may seem run-of-the-mill and dissapointing, but only in
context with all the younger guitarists who learned how to play by watching
Page. It's easy to be impressively tall when you're standing on someone
else's shoulders.

The second thing is, I would like to see how accurately you play full of
heroin and whatever else they were taking at the time... ; )

Lou Gimenez wrote in message news:BC75133A.479E6%

He certainly did play well on those records, he did at one
point in time have chops, it just ain't anywhere on that dvd. FWIW I am I
fan, just a disappointed one. Its too bad he let drugs and alcohol get in
the way.

What I did notice was this is the best I've seen Page play live. Most
of the live footage I've seen previously was SAD. Still it's good to
hear him rip it up in the Royal Albert Hall sequence. Yeh sloppy and
brash but some great chops and tone. He hit quite a few keepers in
that sequence.

The second DVD was alot like The Song remains the same except some of
the "takes" such as "Stairway to Heaven" and "Whole Lotta Love" were
"keepers".
But alot of it was mostly just playing what was on the record - which
isn't why I like live performances. I go to live shows in hope they
will do something differant.

Still I loved the CD for the sound, dynamics and interplay. Still a
keeper in my book. It is the best live footage I've seen of Page as
well. Great to see Bonzo at the ripe old age of 21 ripping it up.

Still raving...
IR

"DaveDrummer" wrote in message
...
Page's sloppyness is part of the style.

Exactly. People really rag the solo break in Heartbreaker but it's PERFECT.
It would sound ridiculous played ala Malmsteem. It's the sloppiness that
makes it rock. And sometimes playing sloppy (but good) on purpose is
extremely hard.

sloppy on purpose? cmon, your kidding right. Jimmy Page is a guitar player
with great ideas, who as time went on was less able to execute them. A great
player can have feel and tons emotion in his playing without being sloppy.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: "Ricky W. Hunt"
Organization: MediaCom High Speed Internet
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 04:46:10 GMT
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

"DaveDrummer" wrote in message
...
Page's sloppyness is part of the style.

Exactly. People really rag the solo break in Heartbreaker but it's PERFECT.
It would sound ridiculous played ala Malmsteem. It's the sloppiness that
makes it rock. And sometimes playing sloppy (but good) on purpose is
extremely hard.

I agree with the whole lot, mate.
Just one thing, out of curiosity...

Has anyone listened to Remasters lately?
If so, check out "the Song remains the same", (8th track, 3rd disc)
towards the end... is it just me, or the laste vocal part (say the
last minute or so) appears to have been pitched up?
In these modern days of "perfect pitch shifting-harmonies", some
things just sound glaringly obvious...

I wonder...

Paul


(Iowa Recorder) wrote in message . com...
I know this has already been discussed but I finally went out and got
the DVD and just have to shout from the roof tops how great it is!

I was on the road for a long time with a monsterously talented
keyboardist. He was into so many differant styles of music and had
quite a critical ear. He had also been to hundreds of concerts. I
asked him one time. What was the best show you've seen. He said;
"Led Zeppelin in 1970". I was puzzled by this as I had seen "The Song
Remains the Same" and I couldn't relate to how my friend had been so
profoundly impressed. Well this DVD answers all that.

The DVD is literally riveting.

First off the sound is great. Most of it is very well recorded. The
band plays with dynamics I haven't heard in a live recording... from
monster loud to literally whispering.... Along with the close camera
work it sounds and looks like your right on stage with them. Very
intimate.

The DVD also showed me something I wasn't aware of - John Paul Jones
is an amasing bass player.

Regards
IR

Rob Adelman wrote:


ryanm wrote:



Well... what I meant was, if Ringo had been replaced the Beatles might
not have fallen apart, but without any of the 4, Zeppelin definitely
would've fallen apart (and did).

But Zep may have survived with a replacement guitarist


er...given that he basically built the band, wrote a big chunk of hte material
, and how important he was to the band in the studio, I'd say you're wrong.


--

-S.
who saw them on the '77 tour

Paul C. Weber wrote:
I agree with the whole lot, mate.
Just one thing, out of curiosity...

Has anyone listened to Remasters lately?
If so, check out "the Song remains the same", (8th track, 3rd disc)
towards the end... is it just me, or the laste vocal part (say the
last minute or so) appears to have been pitched up?
In these modern days of "perfect pitch shifting-harmonies", some
things just sound glaringly obvious...

Several tracks on Houses of the Holy were vocally 'pitched up',
including the 'Song Remains the Same'.



--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...

But Zep may have survived with a replacement guitarist


er...given that he basically built the band, wrote a big chunk of hte
material
, and how important he was to the band in the studio, I'd say you're
wrong.


I agree with Steven. He was the architect of that band. The other guys are
completely essential too but without Page there would be no Led Zeppelin.

"Rob Adelman" wrote in message
...

But Zep may have survived with a replacement guitarist, possibly
bassist, but not without Bonham or Plant.

Actually, I don't think so. IMO, Plant was the most replaceable. Page
paid for it all and came up with the riffs. Jones and Bonham were the
backbone. Plant just had a pretty voice. IMO, of course.

ryanm

"Lou Gimenez" wrote in message
...
sloppy on purpose? cmon, your kidding right. Jimmy Page is a guitar player
with great ideas, who as time went on was less able to execute them. A
great
player can have feel and tons emotion in his playing without being sloppy.

Which clearly shows that you don't understand or appreciate the style.

ryanm

right, thats what it is. Only you know, I'm just curious, do you play
guitar?
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: "ryanm"
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:23:11 -0600
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

"Lou Gimenez" wrote in message
...
sloppy on purpose? cmon, your kidding right. Jimmy Page is a guitar player
with great ideas, who as time went on was less able to execute them. A
great
player can have feel and tons emotion in his playing without being sloppy.

Which clearly shows that you don't understand or appreciate the style.

ryanm

you actually don't lnow that much about Zep do you. For some of the later
records, Page was hardly there, he was too wasted. John Paul Jones and
Robert Plant were the creative force on a few of the later records.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: "ryanm"
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:22:03 -0600
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

"Rob Adelman" wrote in message
...

But Zep may have survived with a replacement guitarist, possibly
bassist, but not without Bonham or Plant.

Actually, I don't think so. IMO, Plant was the most replaceable. Page
paid for it all and came up with the riffs. Jones and Bonham were the
backbone. Plant just had a pretty voice. IMO, of course.

ryanm

Zep would never have survived without Page. He was the founder and was a
huge part of what they did in the studio.
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: Steven Sullivan
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:05:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

Rob Adelman wrote:


ryanm wrote:



Well... what I meant was, if Ringo had been replaced the Beatles might
not have fallen apart, but without any of the 4, Zeppelin definitely
would've fallen apart (and did).

But Zep may have survived with a replacement guitarist


er...given that he basically built the band, wrote a big chunk of hte material
, and how important he was to the band in the studio, I'd say you're wrong.


--

-S.
who saw them on the '77 tour

"Lou Gimenez" wrote in message
...
right, thats what it is. Only you know, I'm just curious, do you play
guitar?

Yes. I also play bass, drums, piano/keys, harmonica, congas and
timbales, and several horns. I happen to be primarily a vocalist, though.
What's your point?

Page *always* played sloppy live with Zeppelin, and Zeppelin always did
a lot of improv stuff live that didn't always work out. Who cares? It
doesn't make them any less talented or important in the grand scheme of
things. It was just the style he chose to play in. He would often play
sloppy rock and then follow it up with impeccable acoustic work, so it
wasn't just a matter of being too stoned to play it accurately, he was
intentionally playing sloppy because that's what he thought the songs called
for. Someone else mentioned the stop in Heartbreaker. The whole reason that
it's cool is because it's just a balls-out fumble across the fretboard. It
conveys feeling, even if he doesn't hit all of the notes cleanly and
accurately. It is what it is. And yes, I also am occasionally let down by
performances I see of Page playing sloppy crap that doesn't fit into the
song, but that's just what he did. And if he hadn't done it, none of the
guitarists who have since copped all of his licks would have any material to
draw on and improve.

ryanm

"ryanm" wrote in message

Well... what I meant was, if Ringo had been replaced the Beatles might
not have fallen apart, but without any of the 4, Zeppelin definitely
would've fallen apart (and did).

ryanm

I don't believe that for a second and can't believe you do either.
Ringo was in three or four other bands when John and Paul came around
and begged him to play with them. The drummer they had at the time,
can't remember the name, was just not cutting it, that's why they went
after Ringo. Also, sometime in the late sixties Ringo expressed the
same notion that you did, and actually left the band for a short time.
Suffice to say it didn't take long for the rest of the band to beg
and plead for him to come back. If he would have refused, the Beatles
quite possibly *would have* fallen apart. Don't be a Ringo Hater.

"Ryan" wrote in message
om...

I don't believe that for a second and can't believe you do either.
Ringo was in three or four other bands when John and Paul came around
and begged him to play with them. The drummer they had at the time,
can't remember the name, was just not cutting it, that's why they went
after Ringo. Also, sometime in the late sixties Ringo expressed the
same notion that you did, and actually left the band for a short time.
Suffice to say it didn't take long for the rest of the band to beg
and plead for him to come back. If he would have refused, the Beatles
quite possibly *would have* fallen apart. Don't be a Ringo Hater.

I don't hate him, I just think he contributed less than the other three.
Ringo was the slacker of the band, but every band has (and needs) one.

ryanm

Ryan wrote:

The drummer they had at the time,
can't remember the name,

Pete Best

--
ha

ryanm wrote:

"Lou Gimenez" wrote...

sloppy on purpose? cmon, your kidding right. Jimmy Page is a guitar
player with great ideas, who as time went on was less able to execute
them. A great player can have feel and tons emotion in his playing
without being sloppy.

Which clearly shows that you don't understand or appreciate the style.

There's a chance he knows the band well enough to have appreciated it
when you were still ****ting yellow.

--
ha

"ryanm" wrote in message
...

Page *always* played sloppy live with Zeppelin, and Zeppelin always
did
a lot of improv stuff live that didn't always work out. Who cares?

I admire the courage it takes to "step out" and risk making a fool of
yourself. It's certainly more enjoyable as a player to do that and I think
musicians (in the audience) appreciate it too.

he was
intentionally playing sloppy because that's what he thought the songs
called
for.

Boom! That's the bottom line. Serve the song. I know musical taste is an
opinion and there are no right and wrongs but while I appreciate what
Malmsteem and that guy from Mr. Big can do it bores me to tears and my ears
literally tune it out within about 10 seconds (to me it's about as
"soul-less" music as you could make) whereas with some of the Page stuff the
screwups (if you want to call them that) are just as interesting and speak
just as much as the "correct" stuff does.

Someone else mentioned the stop in Heartbreaker. The whole reason that
it's cool is because it's just a balls-out fumble across the fretboard.

To me rock IS attitude and that solo conveys that. I love that Cheech and
Chong movie (I think it's "Next Movie") where Chong is wailing away on the
guitar (very badly of course) and making the faces but is SO into it. That
just "embodies" rock to me and you HAVE to have that attitude regardless of
whether you are playing clean or not. I think that (and the "allowed"
fumbles) draws many more people and certainly inspires more people to pick
up the guitar thinking, "Well, I could do that".

(hank alrich) wrote in message . ..
ryanm wrote:

"Lou Gimenez" wrote...

sloppy on purpose? cmon, your kidding right. Jimmy Page is a guitar
player with great ideas, who as time went on was less able to execute
them. A great player can have feel and tons emotion in his playing
without being sloppy.

Which clearly shows that you don't understand or appreciate the style.

There's a chance he knows the band well enough to have appreciated it
when you were still ****ting yellow.

I know I shat when I first heard/saw Led Zep. I was ten, 1969, Earl
Warren Showgrounds, Santa Barbara, with Jethro Tull

JPJ wrote Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker, and Black Dog just to name a few

Dave
"hank alrich" wrote in message
. ..
Ryan wrote:

The drummer they had at the time,
can't remember the name,

Pete Best

--
ha

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:36:51 +0000, DaveDrummer wrote
(in article ):

JPJ wrote Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker, and Black Dog just to name a few

Not according to the credits on my albums he didn't...

I doubt it. I'm not such young guy
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: (hank alrich)
Organization: secret mountain
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:57:45 GMT
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

ryanm wrote:

"Lou Gimenez" wrote...

sloppy on purpose? cmon, your kidding right. Jimmy Page is a guitar
player with great ideas, who as time went on was less able to execute
them. A great player can have feel and tons emotion in his playing
without being sloppy.

Which clearly shows that you don't understand or appreciate the style.

There's a chance he knows the band well enough to have appreciated it
when you were still ****ting yellow.

--
ha

sorry senility kicked in, see I'm not a young guy
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



From: (hank alrich)
Organization: secret mountain
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:57:45 GMT
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

ryanm wrote:

"Lou Gimenez" wrote...

sloppy on purpose? cmon, your kidding right. Jimmy Page is a guitar
player with great ideas, who as time went on was less able to execute
them. A great player can have feel and tons emotion in his playing
without being sloppy.

Which clearly shows that you don't understand or appreciate the style.

There's a chance he knows the band well enough to have appreciated it
when you were still ****ting yellow.

--
ha

ringo's drumming was an integral part of the beatle sound, the way he tuned
his drums, cymbal choices. The way he approached drumming,he was often more
of a percussionist than a traditional traps player. I'm sure George Martin
had a lot of suggestions but Ringo was the man.
--Lou Gimenez
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From: "ryanm"
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:17:41 -0600
Subject: Led Zeppelin DVD revisited

"Ryan" wrote in message
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I don't believe that for a second and can't believe you do either.
Ringo was in three or four other bands when John and Paul came around
and begged him to play with them. The drummer they had at the time,
can't remember the name, was just not cutting it, that's why they went
after Ringo. Also, sometime in the late sixties Ringo expressed the
same notion that you did, and actually left the band for a short time.
Suffice to say it didn't take long for the rest of the band to beg
and plead for him to come back. If he would have refused, the Beatles
quite possibly *would have* fallen apart. Don't be a Ringo Hater.

I don't hate him, I just think he contributed less than the other three.
Ringo was the slacker of the band, but every band has (and needs) one.

ryanm