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I still think they need to get a room, take a shower together, and do
the deed doggy style. Then Arny needs to get a soldering iron
and ........................










.........build a good tube amp for Jenn.

Actually, two. Stereo and all.

I suggest we get together and get them a room. And I've got some old
transformers and a couple of Turbo 350 oil pand I could contribute.
Anyone got some tungsten slug Greenee chassis punches? They'll need it
on that thick mild steel.

[Jenn[_3_]]

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I still think they need to ...

I saw a program about Amon Goeth last evening. For some reason, I
thought of you.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 4, 11:41*pm, Jenn wrote:
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wrote:
*I still think they need to ...

I saw a program about Amon Goeth last evening. *For some reason, I
thought of you.

I never think of Bratzi.

Ever.

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On Jan 4, 11:41 pm, Jenn wrote:
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I still think they need to ...

I saw a program about Amon Goeth last evening. For some reason, I
thought of you.

Amon Göth
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Amon Göth
12 November, 1908 - September 13, 1946

Amon Göth
Place of birth Vienna, Austro-Hungarian Empire (now Austria)
Place of death Kraków, Poland (age 37)
Allegiance Nazi Germany
Service/branch Schutzstaffel (SS)
Years of service 1930-1945
Rank Hauptsturmführer
Commands held P³aszów Labor Camp
Amon Göth's house in P³aszów as of 2008. There is a tour visiting this
site in this image.
Göth on the balcony of his house in P³aszów.
The title of this article contains the character ö. Where it is
unavailable or not desired, the name may be represented as Amon Goeth.

Amon Leopold Göth (11 December, 1908 - September 13, 1946) was a
Hauptsturmführer of the SS and was the commandant of the Nazi
concentration camp at P³aszów, General Government (German occupied
area of Poland).
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* 1 Early life and career
* 2 P³aszów
* 3 Later military career
* 4 Execution
* 5 Depiction in Schindler's List
* 6 References
* 7 External links

[edit] Early life and career

Göth was born in Vienna, then the capital of the Austro-Hungarian
Empire, to a family in the printing industry. At the age of 22, Göth
became a member of the Austrian branch of the Nazi Party. In 1930 he
was assigned the Party Number 510764. Göth simultaneously joined the
Austrian SS and was appointed an SS-Mann with the SS Number 43673.

Göth's early SS activities are little known, largely because the
Austrian SS was an illegal and underground organization until the
Anschluss of Austria by Nazi Germany in 1938. Between 1932 and 1936,
Göth was a member of an Allgemeine-SS company in Vienna and, by 1937,
had risen to the rank of SS-Oberscharführer. Between 1938 and 1941, he
was a member of SS-Standarte (Regiment) 11 operating from Vienna and
was commissioned an SS-Untersturmführer on July 14, 1941.

[edit] P³aszów

In August 1942, Göth left Vienna to join the staff of SS-Brigadeführer
Odilo Globoènik, the SS and Police Leader of Kraków.[1] He was
appointed as a regular SS officer of the Concentration Camp service,
and on February 11, 1943 was assigned to construct and command a
forced labour camp at P³aszów. The camp took one month to construct
using slave labour and, on March 13, 1943, the Jewish ghetto of Kraków
was closed down with the surviving inhabitants imprisoned in the new
labor camp. Approximately 2,000 people died during the evacuation. At
his war crimes trial, Göth was accused of having personally shot many
people during the action.[2]

On September 3, 1943, Göth was further tasked to close down the ghetto
at Tarnów, where an unknown number of people were killed on the spot.
On February 3, 1944, Göth shut down the concentration camp at Szebnie
by ordering the inmates to be murdered on the spot or deported to
other camps, again killing several thousand people.

On April 20, 1944, Göth was promoted to the rank of SS-
Hauptsturmführer, having received a double promotion and thus skipping
the rank of SS-Obersturmführer. He was also appointed a regular
officer of the Waffen-SS. His assignment as Commandant of the P³aszów
Labor Camp continued, now under the direct authority of the SS
Economics and Administration Office.

It was Göth's firm belief that the Jews themselves should pay for
their own execution, and it was wholly in this spirit when on May 11,
1942, in the small town of Szczebrzeszyn, the Gestapo ordered the
Jewish council to pay 2,000 zloty and 3 kilos of coffee to cover the
expenses for the ammunition used to kill the Jews.[3]

In P³aszów, Göth tortured and murdered prisoners on a daily basis.
During his time at P³aszów, Göth allegedly shot over 500 Jews himself;
Poldek Pfefferberg, one of the Schindler Jews, famously said, "When
you saw Göth, you saw death." Göth spared the life of a Jewish
prisoner Natalia Hubler, later famous as Natalia Karp, after hearing
her play a Nocturne by Chopin on the piano the day after she arrived
at the P³aszów camp.

[edit] Later military career

On September 13, 1944, Göth was relieved of his position as Commandant
of P³aszów and was assigned to the SS Office of Economics and
Administration. Shortly thereafter, in November 1944, Göth was charged
with theft of Jewish property (which, according to Nazi legislation,
belonged to the Reich), and was arrested by the Gestapo. He was
scheduled for an appearance before SS judge Georg Konrad Morgen, but
due to the progress of World War II, and Germany's looming defeat, a
tribunal was never assembled and the charges against him were
summarily dismissed.

He was next assigned to Bad Tölz, Germany, where he was quickly
diagnosed by SS doctors as suffering from mental illness and diabetes.
He was committed to a sanitarium where he was arrested by American
troops in May 1945. At the time of his arrest, Göth claimed to have
been recently promoted to SS-Sturmbannführer and, during later
interrogations, several documents listed him as "SS-Major Göth".
Rudolf Höß was also of the opinion that Göth had been promoted and,
when called to give testimony at Göth's trial, indicated that Göth was
an SS-Major in the Concentration Camp service.

Göth's service record, however, does not support the claim of a late
war promotion and he is listed in most texts as having held the rank
of SS-Hauptsturmführer equivalent of a Captain .

[edit] Execution

After the war, the Supreme National Tribunal of Poland at Kraków found
Göth guilty of murdering tens of thousands of people. He was hanged on
September 13, 1946, aged 37, not far from the former site of the
P³aszów camp. At his execution, Göth's hands were tied behind his
back. The executioner twice miscalculated the length of rope necessary
to hang Göth, and it was only on the third attempt that the execution
was successful.[4]

In 2002, an interview book with Göth's daughter, Monika, was published
in Germany under the name "Ich muß doch meinen Vater lieben,
oder?" (But I must love my father, mustn't I?). For the first time,
Göth's daughter spoke of her mother, who unconditionally glorified her
father until faced with his role in the Holocaust, and had committed
suicide after giving an interview in the 1980s.[5]

Göth's daughter's experiences in dealing with the legacy of her Nazi
father's crimes are detailed in Inheritance, a 2008 documentary
directed by James Moll.[6] Also appearing in the documentary is Helen
Jonas (née Helen Hirsch, played by Embeth Davidtz in Schindler's
List), who was one of Amon Göth's slaves at his villa. The documentary
details the meeting of the two women at the Plaszlow memorial site in
Poland.
snip .."

Gee, Jenn, that's not really flattering. This guy was a True
Believer, and I'm an antiauthoritarian in the true sense, indeed to
some extent even a classical liberal (which is a hell of a lot
different than today's left liberals).

I've never said the NSDAP was an admirable bunch or that the Germans
didn't do bad things. The Germans did bad things, as did the United
States, as did England, as has pretty much everyone. Innocent people-
and even people that were bad, but not that bad-were killed by the
Germans, same as by a lot of other countries. For that matter, was
everyone in Carthage evil so as to deserve their slaughter by the
Romans? Yet, we admire republican Rome, and the noble farmer-statesman-
soldier that was their ideal, and we admire the American Founding
Fathers, even though they and their immediate predecessors did some
things that were bad. And yes, we admire Germans. We admire them for
Goethe and Schiller and Bach and Brahms: and we admire them for Hugo
Eckener and Hugo Junkers and yes, even Doenitz and Rommel-same as we
admire Lee and JEB Stuart of the CSA.

Or maybe, you don't. Suit yourself. I mean, I don't particularly
admire Lenny, the pompous ass of the podium, or half the boring
fingerstyle guitarists you fetishize. But I don't call them monsters
either, and I don't stalk their fans.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Ian, 01:04, wrote:


*Or maybe, you don't. Suit yourself. I mean, I don't particularly
admire Lenny, the pompous ass of the podium, or half the boring
fingerstyle guitarists you fetishize. But I don't call them monsters
either, and I don't stalk their fans.


How many people did they enslave and later shoot?

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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On Jan 4, 11:41 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,

wrote:
I still think they need to ...

I saw a program about Amon Goeth last evening. For some
reason, I thought of you.

I never think of Bratzi.

Ever.

Even when posting about him, or anybody else for that part. ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 5, 7:01*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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On Jan 4, 11:41 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,

wrote:
I still think they need to ...

I saw a program about Amon Goeth last evening. For some
reason, I thought of you.

I never think of Bratzi.

Ever.

Even when posting about him,

I very seldom respond to one of Bratzi's posts.

or anybody else for that part.

I find it funny that you never argue the logic of my posts. Your
responses are always ad hominem.

;-)

I think that's sad. And perhaps crazy.