[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 13:31, George M. Middius wrote:



On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority.

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care

Whatcha got?

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 18:35, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority.


You are asserting that blacks and Latinos have less patriotism
and pride in their country as do white anglo's. Better watch
it there!!!!! It's quite a nasty bit of racism you
just put out there.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 18:40, George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care



I am with you on both, probably we don't agree on the
mechanism for #2, though. Let's not destroy the system we already
have.


here are some mo

legalizing prostitution
campaign finance reform
protecting our borders
giving illegals already here a legal non citizen status
national law to allow civil unions for same sex relationships
abolish income taxes and replace them with a VAT consumer tax
(some necessities like food and medicine excluded and other
necessities like clothing and school supplies at a lower rate)
(Rich people who spend more will pay more taxes, and lose their
shelters)
School vouchers, but only where there are failed school systems

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 18:40, George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care

Whatcha got?

BTW, it was a very good question, so I answered it.

[avidlistener]

On Sep 5, 10:31*am, George M. Middius
wrote:
Shhhh! said:

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

That can't be true or Palin would not have found any corrupt persons
from her own party when she took office, and the record is clear, she
did find such people and they were dealt with accordingly.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 5 Sep, 18:35, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority.


You are asserting that blacks and Latinos have less patriotism
and pride in their country as do white anglo's. Better watch
it there!!!!! It's quite a nasty bit of racism you
just put out there.

Am not. If military service is a measure of patriotism, they have more.

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

Whatcha got?

BTW, it was a very good question, so I answered it.

It's not working. You need a new pose.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Mickey McMickey chirped:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

That can't be true or Palin would not have found any corrupt persons
from her own party when she took office, and the record is clear, she
did find such people and they were dealt with accordingly.

You just love Ms. Palin, don't you, Mickey? She's a hypocrite, a panderer,
a religious extremist, and a fascist. Right smack in your comfort zone.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care

I am with you on both, probably we don't agree on the
mechanism for #2, though. Let's not destroy the system we already
have.

Whatever.

legalizing prostitution
campaign finance reform
protecting our borders
giving illegals already here a legal non citizen status
national law to allow civil unions for same sex relationships
abolish income taxes and replace them with a VAT consumer tax
School vouchers, but only where there are failed school systems

Only one of those positions is what I'd call conservative. The others are
progressive. Some are even farsighted.

In what sense do you consider yourself a "conservative"? Your love affair
with Dumbya doesn't qualify you, IMO, because he's radically reactionary
and anti-American.

[Clyde Slick]

so, you negated your own point, Arny does that, too.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 21:31, George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

Whatcha got?

BTW, it was a very good question, so I answered it.

It's not working. You need a new pose.

as long as I can keep my pants on.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 23:31, George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care
I am with you on both, probably we don't agree on the
mechanism for #2, though. Let's not destroy the system we already
have.

Whatever.

legalizing prostitution
campaign finance reform
protecting our borders
giving illegals already here a legal non citizen status
national law to allow civil unions for same sex relationships
abolish income taxes and replace them with a VAT consumer tax
School vouchers, but only where there are failed school systems

Only one of those positions is what I'd call conservative. The others are
progressive. Some are even farsighted.

In what sense do you consider yourself a "conservative"? Your love affair
with Dumbya doesn't qualify you, IMO, because he's radically reactionary
and anti-American.

LOL!!!!
its you and Shhhh! that call me a conservative.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

In what sense do you consider yourself a "conservative"? Your love affair
with Dumbya doesn't qualify you, IMO, because he's radically reactionary
and anti-American.

LOL!!!!
its you and Shhhh! that call me a conservative.

Ah, we've cleared that up. So your ongoing love affair with Dumbya and his
crooked masters is motivated by .... what?

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

so, you negated your own point, Arny does that, too.

No, I negated the point you made up.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 09:02, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

so, you negated your own point, Arny does that, too.

No, I negated the point you made up.


No, I wrote of my pride in the US.
Your response ascribed it to my not being
a minority. Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US. I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! You are correct.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 09:02, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

so, you negated your own point, Arny does that, too.

No, I negated the point you made up.


No, I wrote of my pride in the US.
Your response ascribed it to my not being
a minority.

No, I speculated that you weren't a minority.

Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle.

I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 12:02, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 09:02, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

so, you negated your own point, Arny does that, too.

No, I negated the point you made up.

No, I wrote of my pride in the US.
Your response ascribed it to my not being
a minority.

No, I speculated that you weren't a minority.


So, you speculated I did n ot grow up as a minority because I had
pride in my country. That means you expet that
minoritiesw have no pride in their country.


Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle.



Then there is NO reason for you to
'guess' I did not grow up as a minority.



I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! *You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.


My synopsis is an accurate summary of the conversation

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 12:02, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 09:02, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

so, you negated your own point, Arny does that, too.

No, I negated the point you made up.

No, I wrote of my pride in the US.
Your response ascribed it to my not being
a minority.

No, I speculated that you weren't a minority.


So, you speculated I did n ot grow up as a minority because I had
pride in my country. That means you expet that
minoritiesw have no pride in their country.

No, I speculated because you don't seem to understand one
minority-member's view. Admittedly, you could just not understand
regardless of race.

Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle.



Then there is NO reason for you to
'guess' I did not grow up as a minority.

Yes, your previous statements.

I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! *You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.


My synopsis is an accurate summary of the conversation

No, it isn't.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 15:10, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article



So, you speculated I did n ot grow up as a minority because I had
pride in my country. That means you expet that
minoritiesw have no pride in their country.

No, I speculated because you don't seem to understand one
minority-member's view. Admittedly, you could just not understand
regardless of race.


HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?



Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle.

Then there is NO reason for you to
'guess' I did not grow up as a minority.

Yes, your previous statements.



Which ones?
the one's where I expressed pride in America?
You 'guessed' I was not a minority because
I have such pride.
If there was another reason, your were being'duplicitous.


I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! *You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.

My synopsis is an accurate summary of the conversation

No, it isn't.



ME:
"I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations. "


"I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US. "

then YOU:

"I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority."

Steve, If you didn't mean that my pride in America
did not fit your stereotype that minorities
lack pride, please expalin wahtever else one is supposed to get out of
your
statement.

As far as I can tell, you identified me as
a non minority specifically because of my pride in America.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 15:10, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article



So, you speculated I did n ot grow up as a minority because I had
pride in my country. That means you expet that
minoritiesw have no pride in their country.

No, I speculated because you don't seem to understand one
minority-member's view. Admittedly, you could just not understand
regardless of race.


HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle.

Then there is NO reason for you to
'guess' I did not grow up as a minority.

Yes, your previous statements.



Which ones?
the one's where I expressed pride in America?
You 'guessed' I was not a minority because
I have such pride.
If there was another reason, your were being'duplicitous.

Your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! *You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.

My synopsis is an accurate summary of the conversation

No, it isn't.



ME:
"I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations. "


"I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US. "

then YOU:

"I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority."

Steve, If you didn't mean that my pride in America
did not fit your stereotype that minorities
lack pride, please expalin wahtever else one is supposed to get out of
your
statement.

I'm not interested in the "pride: yes or no" question. You twisted an
expression of pride, Michelle being "really proud," into its opposite,
that if she were "really proud" at one point in time she couldn't have
been proud before or that she must have "despised" America.

Minorities have more personal experience with some of the things wrong
with the USA by definition, and it's not racism to say so.

As far as I can tell, you identified me as
a non minority specifically because of my pride in America.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 17:36, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 6 Sep, 15:10, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article

So, you speculated I did n ot grow up as a minority because I had
pride in my country. That means you expet that
minoritiesw have no pride in their country.

No, I speculated because you don't seem to understand one
minority-member's view. Admittedly, you could just not understand
regardless of race.

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.


I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.
Still, your racist implications stand.
That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America






Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle..

Then there is NO reason for you to
'guess' I did not grow up as a minority.

Yes, your previous statements.

Which ones?
the one's where I expressed pride in America?
You 'guessed' I was not a minority because
I have such pride.
If there was another reason, your were being'duplicitous.

Your attacks on Michelle Obama.





I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! *You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.

My synopsis is an accurate summary of the conversation

No, it isn't.

ME:
"I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
* We haven't always done the right things, but overall
* this nation has been of benefit to the world,
*especially in comparison to most other nations. "

* "I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
*I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
* old to have my first instance of being
* proud, or really proud, of the US. "

then YOU:

"I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority."

Steve, If you didn't mean that my pride in America
did not fit your stereotype that minorities
lack pride, please expalin wahtever else one is supposed to get out of
your
statement.

I'm not interested in the "pride: yes or no" question. You twisted an
expression of pride, Michelle being "really proud," into its opposite,
that if she were "really proud" at one point in time she couldn't have
been proud before or that she must have "despised" America.

Minorities have more personal experience with some of the things wrong
with the USA by definition, and it's not racism to say so.

As far as I can tell, you identified me as
a non minority specifically because of my pride in America.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.


ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.
and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

I think you need a few sessions at
Trinity Church to exorcise your massive white
guilt.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 17:36, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 6 Sep, 15:10, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article

So, you speculated I did n ot grow up as a minority because I had
pride in my country. That means you expet that
minoritiesw have no pride in their country.

No, I speculated because you don't seem to understand one
minority-member's view. Admittedly, you could just not understand
regardless of race.

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.


I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.

Thus, you strongly implied that minorities would
not have pride in the US.

You made that up, the same way you made up the bit about Michelle.

Then there is NO reason for you to
'guess' I did not grow up as a minority.

Yes, your previous statements.

Which ones?
the one's where I expressed pride in America?
You 'guessed' I was not a minority because
I have such pride.
If there was another reason, your were being'duplicitous.

Your attacks on Michelle Obama.





I responded to that
by portraying your statement as racist. You responded
by pointing out the prideful military service contributions of
minorities.
SOoooooo, you have been arguing with yourself.
AHA!!! You "DO" agree that minorities have pride in the US.
Very good! *You are correct.

Your strawmen are arguing amongst themselves.

My synopsis is an accurate summary of the conversation

No, it isn't.

ME:
"I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
* We haven't always done the right things, but overall
* this nation has been of benefit to the world,
*especially in comparison to most other nations. "

* "I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
*I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
* old to have my first instance of being
* proud, or really proud, of the US. "

then YOU:

"I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority."

Steve, If you didn't mean that my pride in America
did not fit your stereotype that minorities
lack pride, please expalin wahtever else one is supposed to get out of
your
statement.

I'm not interested in the "pride: yes or no" question. You twisted an
expression of pride, Michelle being "really proud," into its opposite,
that if she were "really proud" at one point in time she couldn't have
been proud before or that she must have "despised" America.

Minorities have more personal experience with some of the things wrong
with the USA by definition, and it's not racism to say so.

As far as I can tell, you identified me as
a non minority specifically because of my pride in America.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.


ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.

No, you asserted it.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.

I think you need a few sessions at
Trinity Church to exorcise your massive white
guilt.

I think you need curb your word-twisting hobby.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:


HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.


Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.
She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.


Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.



A newbie! and only because her husband was going to be nominated.
How slef centered she is.


No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.

ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.


No, you asserted it.


Lordy!!! You just said it was a "contrast" to my own statement
discussing my pruide in AMerica. the "contrast" is that
I have pride and she lacks it.
You are the one who described our statements as contrasting!


and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.


So, in your mind, because of societal strife, we should not have
the expectation that black people would have pride in America.
I note that you, like most other racists, have lower expectations
and inferior stereotypes for black people.

You need to develop your self awareness of your massive guilt
of being just another racist evil white person.
Going to a black liberation church can help
you cast off your self hated whiteness, atone for your sins, and
become black.

Says the founder Cone and the current proponent White:

"The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the
destruction of
America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger
and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the
story
of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men
will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with
the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black
Theology
of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until
whites
begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being:
'How can we become black?'""


try to find one in your area

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:


HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.


Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.

Yes, you twisted her words in both cases.

She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.

No, that's your cynical twist. Her remarks came in the context of the
reality of a major political party choosing between a woman and a black
man, something considered impossible within recent memory.

It's like the difference between a life-long Christian and one
born-again. Think of her as a born-again patriot.

Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.



A newbie! and only because her husband was going to be nominated.
How slef centered she is.

Only someone looking for a partisan attack would interpret her remarks
that way.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.

ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.


No, you asserted it.


Lordy!!! You just said it was a "contrast" to my own statement
discussing my pruide in AMerica. the "contrast" is that
I have pride and she lacks it.
You are the one who described our statements as contrasting!

The contrast is all on your part. You aren't attacking McCain for not
"really loving" America.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.


So, in your mind, because of societal strife, we should not have
the expectation that black people would have pride in America.
I note that you, like most other racists, have lower expectations
and inferior stereotypes for black people.

Your definition of "racist" is broken.

You need to develop your self awareness of your massive guilt
of being just another racist evil white person.
Going to a black liberation church can help
you cast off your self hated whiteness, atone for your sins, and
become black.

Your lack of personal responsibility doesn't mean there's no societal
responsibility.

Says the founder Cone and the current proponent White:

"The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the
destruction of
America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger
and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the
story
of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men
will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with
the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black
Theology
of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until
whites
begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being:
'How can we become black?'""


try to find one in your area

1970, eh? Think of it, someone raised in such an environment is now
"really proud" of America. A real patriot would celebrate the return of
the prodigal.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 7 Sep, 05:21, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.

Yes

"First time" You just can't comprehend "First time".
the lady is 44 years old


She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.

No, that's your cynical twist. Her remarks came in the context of the
reality of a major political party choosing between a woman and a black
man, something considered impossible within recent memory.

It's like the difference between a life-long Christian and one
born-again. Think of her as a born-again patriot.


It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.


Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.

A newbie! and only because her husband was going to be nominated.
How slef centered she is.

Only someone looking for a partisan attack would interpret her remarks
that way.


No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.

ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.

No, you asserted it.

Lordy!!! You just said it was a "contrast" to my own statement
discussing my pruide in AMerica. the "contrast" is that
I have pride and she lacks it.
You are the one who described our statements as contrasting!

The contrast is all on your part. You aren't attacking McCain for not
"really loving" America.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.

So, in your mind, because of societal strife, we should not have
the expectation that black people would have pride in America.
I note that you, like most other racists, have lower expectations
and inferior stereotypes for black people.

Your definition of "racist" is broken.

You need to develop *your self awareness of your massive guilt
of being just another racist evil white person.
Going to a black liberation church can help
you cast off your self hated whiteness, atone for your sins, and
become black.

Your lack of personal responsibility doesn't mean there's no societal
responsibility.





Says the founder Cone and the current proponent White:

"The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the
destruction of
America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger
and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the
story
of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men
will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with
the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black
Theology
of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until
whites
begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being:
'How can we become black?'""

try to find one in your area

1970, eh? Think of it, someone raised in such an environment is now
"really proud" of America. A real patriot would celebrate the return of
the prodigal.


I am waiting for "the first time" you accept reality.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 6, 8:03*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

I think you need a few sessions at
Trinity Church to exorcise your massive white
guilt.

Clyde has been taking 2pid pills.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 7, 9:12*am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 7 Sep, 05:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:





In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.

Yes

"First time" You just can't comprehend "First time".
the lady is 44 years old





She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.

No, that's your cynical twist. Her remarks came in the context of the
reality of a major political party choosing between a woman and a black
man, something considered impossible within recent memory.

It's like the difference between a life-long Christian and one
born-again. Think of her as a born-again patriot.

It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.

Man, no wonder you are a friend of 2pid's.

Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.

A newbie! and only because her husband was going to be nominated.
How slef centered she is.

Only someone looking for a partisan attack would interpret her remarks
that way.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.

ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.

No, you asserted it.

Lordy!!! You just said it was a "contrast" to my own statement
discussing my pruide in AMerica. the "contrast" is that
I have pride and she lacks it.
You are the one who described our statements as contrasting!

The contrast is all on your part. You aren't attacking McCain for not
"really loving" America.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.

So, in your mind, because of societal strife, we should not have
the expectation that black people would have pride in America.
I note that you, like most other racists, have lower expectations
and inferior stereotypes for black people.

Your definition of "racist" is broken.

You need to develop *your self awareness of your massive guilt
of being just another racist evil white person.
Going to a black liberation church can help
you cast off your self hated whiteness, atone for your sins, and
become black.

Your lack of personal responsibility doesn't mean there's no societal
responsibility.

Says the founder Cone and the current proponent White:

"The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the
destruction of
America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger
and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the
story
of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men
will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with
the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black
Theology
of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until
whites
begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being:
'How can we become black?'""

try to find one in your area

1970, eh? Think of it, someone raised in such an environment is now
"really proud" of America. A real patriot would celebrate the return of
the prodigal.

I am waiting for "the first time" you accept reality.

If you're going to quote, best not go off memory, Clyde. Yours seems a
little off:

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a
comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something --
for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my
country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I
think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see
our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in
my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to
be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

You are saying "ever". She did not say that. You say she wasn't proud.
She was proud, but now she's "really proud". And you are also wrong to
assert that it's because Obama has done well. She specifically
addresses that.

Now quit twisting words and go back to your beer. And remember: "This
is your brain on beer, this is what happens to your brain when you mix
beer and stupid pills."

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 05:21, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.

Yes

"First time" You just can't comprehend "First time".
the lady is 44 years old

Either way, you're twisting her words.

She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.

No, that's your cynical twist. Her remarks came in the context of the
reality of a major political party choosing between a woman and a black
man, something considered impossible within recent memory.

It's like the difference between a life-long Christian and one
born-again. Think of her as a born-again patriot.


It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.

I think you're taking her too literally.

Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.

A newbie! and only because her husband was going to be nominated.
How slef centered she is.

Only someone looking for a partisan attack would interpret her remarks
that way.


No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to
Michelle
Obama's statement.

ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.

No, you asserted it.

Lordy!!! You just said it was a "contrast" to my own statement
discussing my pruide in AMerica. the "contrast" is that
I have pride and she lacks it.
You are the one who described our statements as contrasting!

The contrast is all on your part. You aren't attacking McCain for not
"really loving" America.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.

So, in your mind, because of societal strife, we should not have
the expectation that black people would have pride in America.
I note that you, like most other racists, have lower expectations
and inferior stereotypes for black people.

Your definition of "racist" is broken.

You need to develop *your self awareness of your massive guilt
of being just another racist evil white person.
Going to a black liberation church can help
you cast off your self hated whiteness, atone for your sins, and
become black.

Your lack of personal responsibility doesn't mean there's no societal
responsibility.





Says the founder Cone and the current proponent White:

"The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the
destruction of
America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger
and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the
story
of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men
will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with
the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black
Theology
of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until
whites
begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being:
'How can we become black?'""

try to find one in your area

1970, eh? Think of it, someone raised in such an environment is now
"really proud" of America. A real patriot would celebrate the return of
the prodigal.


I am waiting for "the first time" you accept reality.

Been there, done that.

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 7, 2:34*pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 7 Sep, 05:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.

Yes

"First time" You just can't comprehend "First time".
the lady is 44 years old

Either way, you're twisting her words.





She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.

No, that's your cynical twist. Her remarks came in the context of the
reality of a major political party choosing between a woman and a black
man, something considered impossible within recent memory.

It's like the difference between a life-long Christian and one
born-again. Think of her as a born-again patriot.

It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.

I think you're taking her too literally.

She said "For the first time in my adult life", not Clyde's butchery
of what she said.

I'll accept that she meant it literally, in the context given
(politics).

If she's 44, and "adult life" starts at 18, that means 26 years. 26
years ago (1982) the republicans had started decimating the country
under Reagan. Since then, we have had the "republican revolution",
expensive witch hunts over Clinton's Whitewater dealings, which turned
up nothing, extreme partisanship initiated by the "no compromises, no
prisoners" republican party and the bushie/cheney disasters of the
last eight years (how often were they even *mentioned* at the GOP
convention? LOL!).

In the context of what she said (people coming together for common
issues, having hope for a better future, etc.) what she said makes
perfect sense, unless your thought process is clouded by ideology,
racism, or beer and stupid pills.

[Clyde Slick]

On 7 Sep, 15:21, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 9:12*am, Clyde Slick wrote:





On 7 Sep, 05:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 6 Sep, 23:19, MiNe 109 * wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

HUH?? this is something completely new
to our conversation. Exactly who is this
'mystery man' who's view I don't understand?
Where has he been hiding the last 24 hours?

This is inspired by your attacks on Michelle Obama.

I am gald you admit she lacks pride in Maerica, and explain it'
by her having grown up black.

No, that's your twisting of her words to which I object.

Which ones, the first time when she said Its the first
time she was proud of America or the second time, when she said
Its the first time she was really proud of America. I have seen the
video
of both. I didn't twist her words, she said what she said.

Yes

"First time" You just can't comprehend "First time".
the lady is 44 years old

She is a little something over 40 myears old
and she hasn't been proud of America until her
husbaqnd was going to be nominated to run for
President. Even at that, her 'recent' pride
is quite self centered, arrogant, and egotisitcal.
Her pride in America does not follow from America's ideals, its
history,
its successes, its trials, its shining moments, it's
Constitution, its freedoms. No, her suddenly developed
pride comes form her own spouse's individual accomplishment.

No, that's your cynical twist. Her remarks came in the context of the
reality of a major political party choosing between a woman and a black
man, something considered impossible within recent memory.

It's like the difference between a life-long Christian and one
born-again. Think of her as a born-again patriot.

It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.

Man, no wonder you are a friend of 2pid's.





Still, your racist implications stand.

Nope.

That one should not expect blacks to have pride in America

And yet she's really proud of America.

A newbie! and only because her husband was going to be nominated.
How slef centered she is.

Only someone looking for a partisan attack would interpret her remarks
that way.

No, because of how you expressed this thought as a contrast to Michelle
Obama's statement.

ok, you are admitting she lacks pride in America.

No, you asserted it.

Lordy!!! You just said it was a "contrast" to my own statement
discussing my pruide in AMerica. the "contrast" is that
I have pride and she lacks it.
You are the one who described our statements as contrasting!

The contrast is all on your part. You aren't attacking McCain for not
"really loving" America.

and STILL saying that growing up black
implies an expectation that blacks do
\not have pride in Maerica,.
And still, you hold a racist stereotype.

As opposed to pretending there's no race or class strife.

So, in your mind, because of societal strife, we should not have
the expectation that black people would have pride in America.
I note that you, like most other racists, have lower expectations
and inferior stereotypes for black people.

Your definition of "racist" is broken.

You need to develop *your self awareness of your massive guilt
of being just another racist evil white person.
Going to a black liberation church can help
you cast off your self hated whiteness, atone for your sins, and
become black.

Your lack of personal responsibility doesn't mean there's no societal
responsibility.

Says the founder Cone and the current proponent White:

"The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the
destruction of
America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger
and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the
story
of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men
will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with
the filth of their evil." In the preface to his 1970 book, A Black
Theology
of Liberation, Wright wrote: "There will be no peace in America until
whites
begin to hate their whiteness, asking from the depths of their being:
'How can we become black?'""

try to find one in your area

1970, eh? Think of it, someone raised in such an environment is now
"really proud" of America. A real patriot would celebrate the return of
the prodigal.

I am waiting for "the first time" you accept reality.

If you're going to quote, best not go off memory, Clyde. Yours seems a
little off:

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a
comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something --
for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my
country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I
think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see
our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in
my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to
be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

You are saying "ever". She did not say that. You say she wasn't proud.
She was proud, but now she's "really proud". And you are also wrong to
assert that it's because Obama has done well. She specifically
addresses that.

Now quit twisting words and go back to your beer. And remember: "This
is your brain on beer, this is what happens to your brain when you mix
beer and stupid pills."- Ascunde citatul -


That's the second speech, in the first speech
it was the first time she was proud, not really proud.
One was in Madison, the other was in Milwaukee, both
'the same day.
Let me get back to my wine and cheese and PBS drama.

[Clyde Slick]

On 7 Sep, 15:34, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:



It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.

I think you're taking her too literally.


According to you,
Yesterday I was twisting her words,
today I am taking her too literally.

[Clyde Slick]

On 7 Sep, 16:04, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 2:34*pm, MiNe 109 * wrote:


She said "For the first time in my adult life", not Clyde's butchery
of what she said.


Well that's just great in and of itself!!!


I'll accept that she meant it literally, in the context given
(politics).

If she's 44, and "adult life" starts at 18, that means 26 years. 26
years ago (1982) the republicans had started decimating the country
under Reagan. Since then, we have had the "republican revolution",
expensive witch hunts over Clinton's Whitewater dealings, which turned
up nothing, extreme partisanship initiated by the "no compromises, no
prisoners" republican party and the bushie/cheney disasters of the
last eight years (how often were they even *mentioned* at the GOP
convention? LOL!).


I guess she didn't feel proud during Clinton's terms!!!
Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.


In the context of what she said (people coming together for common
issues, having hope for a better future, etc.) what she said makes
perfect sense, unless your thought process is clouded by ideology,
racism, or beer and stupid pills.- Ascunde citatul -


It makes sense that she is proud, but not that it
is the first time she is proud.

[MiNe 109]

In article
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Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 15:34, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
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*Clyde Slick wrote:



It's the "First time" she was proud.
That means that she was never proud before.

I think you're taking her too literally.


According to you,
Yesterday I was twisting her words,
today I am taking her too literally.

You're twisting her words by taking her too literally.

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

It makes sense that she is proud, but not that it
is the first time she is proud.

And you *still* can't read. LOL!