[DariaSimic]

Hello

When I was on a forum for fans of a popular singer an argument broke
out between this guy and these two girls about a particular song that
was included in the 2nd leg of the tour. One of the girls (who I know
is married to a vocal coach so she should know what she's talking
about) said when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy. She was up close and went to a few of the
concerts.

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice. He did say that these were very few and
far between and that he doesn't think that they use it that often, if
at all. Then another women said that at the end of the tour the
singer had gone sharp on the high C.

So taking all this into account do you think it was possible that
autotune was in use on a low setting for certain parts of the tour or
maybe it was on such a low setting that it didn't correct the high C.
This guy did say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could be anything
which he heard. Do you think it was possible that the singer on some
night fet their voice was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Also, the women said that they have never seen the autotune boxes at
their concerts. Does this box have to be situated in the PA area or
can it be under the stage?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
DariaSimic wrote:

Hello

When I was on a forum for fans of a popular singer an argument broke
out between this guy and these two girls about a particular song that
was included in the 2nd leg of the tour. One of the girls (who I know
is married to a vocal coach so she should know what she's talking
about) said when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy. She was up close and went to a few of the
concerts.

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice. He did say that these were very few and
far between and that he doesn't think that they use it that often, if
at all. Then another women said that at the end of the tour the
singer had gone sharp on the high C.

So taking all this into account do you think it was possible that
autotune was in use on a low setting for certain parts of the tour or
maybe it was on such a low setting that it didn't correct the high C.
This guy did say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could be anything
which he heard. Do you think it was possible that the singer on some
night fet their voice was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Also, the women said that they have never seen the autotune boxes at
their concerts. Does this box have to be situated in the PA area or
can it be under the stage?

I didn't know that pitch correction was used live. To me, this is
terrible news. Bad enough, IMO, that it's used for recordings.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
,
DariaSimic wrote:

Hello

When I was on a forum for fans of a popular singer an
argument broke out between this guy and these two girls
about a particular song that was included in the 2nd leg
of the tour. One of the girls (who I know is married to
a vocal coach so she should know what she's talking
about) said when they sang a particular high note in
this song at times it was pitchy. She was up close and
went to a few of the concerts.

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper
range of their voice he thought he heard naunces that
people have told him what autotune does to your voice.
He did say that these were very few and far between and
that he doesn't think that they use it that often, if at
all. Then another women said that at the end of the
tour the singer had gone sharp on the high C.

So taking all this into account do you think it was
possible that autotune was in use on a low setting for
certain parts of the tour or maybe it was on such a low
setting that it didn't correct the high C. This guy did
say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could
be anything which he heard. Do you think it was
possible that the singer on some night fet their voice
was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Also, the women said that they have never seen the
autotune boxes at their concerts. Does this box have to
be situated in the PA area or can it be under the stage?

I didn't know that pitch correction was used live.

http://www.antarestech.com/

To me, this is terrible news. Bad enough, IMO, that it's
used for recordings.

Autotune is sometimes overused as an EFX, live or recorded. No intent that
its effects not be noticed.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
,
DariaSimic wrote:

Hello

When I was on a forum for fans of a popular singer an
argument broke out between this guy and these two girls
about a particular song that was included in the 2nd leg
of the tour. One of the girls (who I know is married to
a vocal coach so she should know what she's talking
about) said when they sang a particular high note in
this song at times it was pitchy. She was up close and
went to a few of the concerts.

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper
range of their voice he thought he heard naunces that
people have told him what autotune does to your voice.
He did say that these were very few and far between and
that he doesn't think that they use it that often, if at
all. Then another women said that at the end of the
tour the singer had gone sharp on the high C.

So taking all this into account do you think it was
possible that autotune was in use on a low setting for
certain parts of the tour or maybe it was on such a low
setting that it didn't correct the high C. This guy did
say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could
be anything which he heard. Do you think it was
possible that the singer on some night fet their voice
was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Also, the women said that they have never seen the
autotune boxes at their concerts. Does this box have to
be situated in the PA area or can it be under the stage?

I didn't know that pitch correction was used live.

http://www.antarestech.com/

To me, this is terrible news. Bad enough, IMO, that it's
used for recordings.

Autotune is sometimes overused as an EFX, live or recorded. No intent that
its effects not be noticed.

Yes, I know of the "Cher effect" for example. As an effect, that's one
thing, but to "fix" a performer's bad performance...blech!

[Chris Whealy]

Jenn wrote
Yes, I know of the "Cher effect" for example. As an effect, that's one
thing, but to "fix" a performer's bad performance...blech!

We had a thread about this a couple of weeks ago. Although a /similar/
effect can be produced using an Antares autotune, the "Cher Effect" was
created by a Korg VC10 analogue vocoder.

Chris W

--
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
But the words of the wise are quiet and few.
---

[Romeo Rondeau[_4_]]

Chris Whealy wrote:
Jenn wrote
Yes, I know of the "Cher effect" for example. As an effect, that's
one thing, but to "fix" a performer's bad performance...blech!

We had a thread about this a couple of weeks ago. Although a /similar/
effect can be produced using an Antares autotune, the "Cher Effect" was
created by a Korg VC10 analogue vocoder.

Chris W


Actually they lied about that, it was Autotune.

[Joe Kotroczo]

On 26/06/08 19:21, in article , "Chris Whealy"
wrote:

Jenn wrote
Yes, I know of the "Cher effect" for example. As an effect, that's one
thing, but to "fix" a performer's bad performance...blech!

We had a thread about this a couple of weeks ago. Although a /similar/
effect can be produced using an Antares autotune, the "Cher Effect" was
created by a Korg VC10 analogue vocoder.

Nope.

"I played around with the vocals and realised that the vocoder effect could
work, but not with the Korg -- the results just weren't clear enough. So
instead, I used a Digitech Talker -- a reasonably new piece of kit that
looks like an old guitar foot pedal, which I suspect is what it was
originally designed for [see review in SOS April '98]. You plug your mic
straight into it, and it gives you a vocoder-like effect, but with clarity;
it almost sounds like you've got the original voice coming out the other
end. I used a tone from the Nord Rack as a carrier signal and sequenced the
notes the Nord was playing from Cubase to follow Cher's vocal melody."

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9.../tracks661.htm

--
Joe Kotroczo

[yrret]

"DariaSimic" wrote in message
...
Hello

When I was on a forum for fans of a popular singer an argument broke
out between this guy and these two girls about a particular song that
was included in the 2nd leg of the tour. One of the girls (who I know
is married to a vocal coach so she should know what she's talking
about) said when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy. She was up close and went to a few of the
concerts.

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice. He did say that these were very few and
far between and that he doesn't think that they use it that often, if
at all. Then another women said that at the end of the tour the
singer had gone sharp on the high C.

So taking all this into account do you think it was possible that
autotune was in use on a low setting for certain parts of the tour or
maybe it was on such a low setting that it didn't correct the high C.
This guy did say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could be anything
which he heard. Do you think it was possible that the singer on some
night fet their voice was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Also, the women said that they have never seen the autotune boxes at
their concerts. Does this box have to be situated in the PA area or
can it be under the stage?

Why so coy? Who's the singer? You would probably get a better answer.
Vocal effects/shapers are starting to be sold like guitar pedals so its not
really the shameful thing it used to be.

[DariaSimic]

On Jun 26, 5:29*pm, "yrret" wrote:
"DariaSimic" wrote in message

...





Hello

When I was on a forum for fans of a popular singer an argument broke
out between this guy and these two girls about a particular song that
was included in the 2nd leg of the tour. *One of the girls (who I know
is married to a vocal coach so she should know what she's talking
about) said when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy. *She was up close and went to a few of the
concerts.

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice. *He did say that these were very few and
far between and that he doesn't think that they use it that often, if
at all. *Then another women said that at the end of the tour the
singer had gone sharp on the high C.

So taking all this into account do you think it was possible that
autotune was in use on a low setting for certain parts of the tour or
maybe it was on such a low setting that it didn't correct the high C.
This guy did say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could be anything
which he heard. *Do you think it was possible that the singer on some
night fet their voice was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Also, the women said that they have never seen the autotune boxes at
their concerts. *Does this box have to be situated in the PA area or
can it be under the stage?

Why so coy? *Who's the singer? *You would probably get a better answer.

[yrret]

"DariaSimic" wrote in message
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On Jun 26, 5:29 pm, "yrret" wrote:
"DariaSimic" wrote in message

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Hello

When I was on a forum for fans of a popular singer an argument broke
out between this guy and these two girls about a particular song that
was included in the 2nd leg of the tour. One of the girls (who I know
is married to a vocal coach so she should know what she's talking
about) said when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy. She was up close and went to a few of the
concerts.

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice. He did say that these were very few and
far between and that he doesn't think that they use it that often, if
at all. Then another women said that at the end of the tour the
singer had gone sharp on the high C.

So taking all this into account do you think it was possible that
autotune was in use on a low setting for certain parts of the tour or
maybe it was on such a low setting that it didn't correct the high C.
This guy did say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could be anything
which he heard. Do you think it was possible that the singer on some
night fet their voice was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Also, the women said that they have never seen the autotune boxes at
their concerts. Does this box have to be situated in the PA area or
can it be under the stage?

Why so coy? Who's the singer? You would probably get a better answer.
Vocal effects/shapers are starting to be sold like guitar pedals so its
not
really the shameful thing it used to be.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

U2.
haha

Well seeing as they have almost an enitre band under the stage playing along
and actively use a click track a live auto tuner wouldn't suprise me at all.
I think the songs and voice are well suited to blend it in. Something like
the start of Stuck In A Moment would be an easy fit. Bruce Springsteen or
AC/DC would have more trouble making it sound natural I think.

[Mike Rivers]

DariaSimic wrote:

when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy.

"Pitchy?" Is that the politically correct way to say "out of tune" now?

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice.

I don't know if he heard "nuances" or not, but it's not unusual these
days to run a hardware pitch corrector on certain singers in a live
show. Hey, it's more honest than playing a pre-recorded track, isn't it?
Was it AutoTune (or t.c. or Digitech) on this show? Only her hairdresser
knows.

By the way, Digitech has a stomp box pitch corrector, so it can
definitely be on stage. It's kind of semi-pro, though, the sort of thing
you'd find with a lounge lizard act. A big bucks act would likely have a
rack mount unit at the PA console. It looks just like any other rack
mounted signal processor, so someone would have to know what she was
looking for to say for sure if there was or wasn't one at the show.




--
If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach
me he
double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers
)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article xFP8k.32$wR.4@trnddc07, Mike Rivers
wrote:

DariaSimic wrote:

when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy.

"Pitchy?" Is that the politically correct way to say "out of tune" now?

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice.

I don't know if he heard "nuances" or not, but it's not unusual these
days to run a hardware pitch corrector on certain singers in a live
show. Hey, it's more honest than playing a pre-recorded track, isn't it?

Barely, imo.

[gareth magennis]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article xFP8k.32$wR.4@trnddc07, Mike Rivers
wrote:

DariaSimic wrote:

when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy.

"Pitchy?" Is that the politically correct way to say "out of tune" now?

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice.

I don't know if he heard "nuances" or not, but it's not unusual these
days to run a hardware pitch corrector on certain singers in a live
show. Hey, it's more honest than playing a pre-recorded track, isn't it?

Barely, imo.


Well this box is going to horrify you then.

http://www.digitech.com/products/Voc...epro/index.php


Not only can you sing in tune, you can sing additional 4 part harmonies at
the same time. Marvelous.



Gareth.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article ,
"Gareth Magennis" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article xFP8k.32$wR.4@trnddc07, Mike Rivers
wrote:

DariaSimic wrote:

when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy.

"Pitchy?" Is that the politically correct way to say "out of tune" now?

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him what
autotune does to your voice.

I don't know if he heard "nuances" or not, but it's not unusual these
days to run a hardware pitch corrector on certain singers in a live
show. Hey, it's more honest than playing a pre-recorded track, isn't it?

Barely, imo.


Well this box is going to horrify you then.

http://www.digitech.com/products/Voc...epro/index.php

You're right; it does! ;-)



Not only can you sing in tune, you can sing additional 4 part harmonies at
the same time. Marvelous.



Gareth.

[gareth magennis]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Gareth Magennis" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article xFP8k.32$wR.4@trnddc07, Mike Rivers
wrote:

DariaSimic wrote:

when they sang a particular high note in this song at
times it was pitchy.

"Pitchy?" Is that the politically correct way to say "out of tune"
now?

However this guy said that during the tour, on the upper range of
their voice he thought he heard naunces that people have told him
what
autotune does to your voice.

I don't know if he heard "nuances" or not, but it's not unusual these
days to run a hardware pitch corrector on certain singers in a live
show. Hey, it's more honest than playing a pre-recorded track, isn't
it?

Barely, imo.


Well this box is going to horrify you then.

http://www.digitech.com/products/Voc...epro/index.php

You're right; it does! ;-)




This is funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYIMmi7JtHc

Gareth.

[yrret]

definitely be on stage. It's kind of semi-pro, though, the sort of thing
you'd find with a lounge lizard

lol, in my parts a insert location lizard is slang for a prostitute.

[Scott Dorsey]

DariaSimic wrote:

So taking all this into account do you think it was possible that
autotune was in use on a low setting for certain parts of the tour or
maybe it was on such a low setting that it didn't correct the high C.
This guy did say that he couldn't be sure that this was autotune that
he was hearing and certainly at a big concert it could be anything
which he heard. Do you think it was possible that the singer on some
night fet their voice was a bit rough and thought autotune would help?

Some people have used autotune live. It doesn't work very well. It
is very difficult to control and invariably has severe artifacts that
are very obvious. But they have used them anyway.

It would be easier just to record the vocal track in the studio and
lipsync to it on playback if you aren't sure you can do the thing.
Plenty of folks do that live today, too.

Also, the women said that they have never seen the autotune boxes at
their concerts. Does this box have to be situated in the PA area or
can it be under the stage?

You could put it anywhere, but why bother? It would probably be at the
FOB position with everything else, and I doubt anyone would ever bother
to hide it. It's no secret when people do this stuff.

Most big rock shows are just that... they are shows, and they employ all
sorts of gimmickery to make them more exciting and impressive. If you
want to hear real live acoustic music played by actual musicians, go to
your local symphony instead. They need the money, too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."