[Predrag Trpkov]

"WillStG" wrote in message
...
On Feb 1, 10:06 am, 5016 wrote:
I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a little bit of a
budgetary problem in the US right now. Cruising around the world
toppling dictators at will is not something that we've got the money
for any more.

That approach has been tried and has demonstrably failed. We're now in
the worst recession in most people's memory and we don't have
trillions of dollars to change regimes that you don't like. It's over.

What has the American budget got to do with what I said? I said
nothing about what America can do or should do. I expressed a
personal sense of moral outrage and you and some others made up the
rest.

If you cannot say in your heart that if you could just end all
Dictatorships and Tyranny in the world you would, then I think there
is something wrong with you as a human being.



If you, Will Miho, cannot say in your heart that if you could just end the
killing of innocent people all throughout the world you would be willing to
put aside that obsession of yours with a handful of dictators and tyrants,
then there's definitely something wrong with you as a human being.



The problem in this world is not lack of budget, it's lack of
compassion.


So why do you keep invading and destroying countries, killing and maiming
people that are so much poorer than you?

Predrag

[WillStG]

On Feb 2, 5:28 pm, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:
"WillStG" wrote in message

...



On Feb 1, 10:06 am, 5016 wrote:
I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a little bit of a
budgetary problem in the US right now. Cruising around the world
toppling dictators at will is not something that we've got the money
for any more.

That approach has been tried and has demonstrably failed. We're now in
the worst recession in most people's memory and we don't have
trillions of dollars to change regimes that you don't like. It's over.

What has the American budget got to do with what I said? I said
nothing about what America can do or should do. I expressed a
personal sense of moral outrage and you and some others made up the
rest.

If you cannot say in your heart that if you could just end all
Dictatorships and Tyranny in the world you would, then I think there
is something wrong with you as a human being.

The problem in this world is not lack of budget, it's lack of
compassion.

Now you, of all people, are talking about compassion.

Does this mean that you no longer support indiscriminate killing of
civilians just because their homes happen to be on top of wherever in the
world you decide that the oil is yours?

Predrag

I have never supported the killing of anyone for their oil, or
anyone elses. Or for their wind, rain, earth or sunshine eitheir.

But I guess you still support dictators, as long as they talk
trash about against America.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[WillStG]

On Feb 2, 6:27 pm, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:
"Frank Stearns" wrote in message

acquisition...

WillStG writes:

-snips-

Or if we must, let it be your maiden aunt's kind of fiction. It's the
enormous human potential of decent people like her that makes it
difficult
to wish your empire's decline were faster.

Predrag

American empire has born the blame - and the burden - for much of
the World's problems for some time now. But feel free to step up at
any time, and pay for the UN, Aids relief in Africa, and so on.

...and so much, much more. It took that USA empire two attempts with
Europe to get
them to finally end (mostly) their 2000+ year history of killing each

other.

Unless you are a Native American, your ancestors shared that history of
killing each other for most of the 2000 years.

By the time they crossed the ocean they were quite adept at applying
organized violence. It is therefore not very likely that you're a Native
American.



Having been disgusted after the first go-around, in the 1920s and 30s the
USA did
nothing. Soon thereafter the world *really* had a mess on its hands that
once again
the bad ole bully USA had to step in and fix.

How noble. I wonder what is it that happened that made you change your mind.



It's perhaps this history that's lost on many, and the fact that our
"staying out"
pre-WWII wound up contributing to the loss of 50+ million lives. (Oh, and
other 30
million lives snuffed out by the "we do it for the people" communists of
the
former Soviet Union.)

That almost matches your score with the Native Americans. Let's hope that
legendary Russian - American rivalry will never end.



If there is a fault here, it's that the "evil" USA empire should have
"interferred"
a lot sooner on more than one occasion. (Then we had a mini-repeat of
history when
1/3 of the Cambodian population was killed in the 1970s, but the USA had,
in part,
bowed to pressures not to get involved in Cambodia.)

Those and similar lessons have not been completely forgotten over the past
10-20
years, at least by some in the USA.

Oh yes, the Vietnam lesson has been forgotten rather quickly. Well, nothing
to do, it had to be repeated.

Predrag

It takes a lot of brass for a guy from the Balkans to lecture
Americans on having a history of violence.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[WillStG]

On Feb 2, 5:45 pm, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:
"WillStG" wrote in message

...



On Feb 2, 2:30 pm, Paul P wrote:
WillStG wrote:
If you cannot say in your heart that if you could just end all
Dictatorships and Tyranny in the world you would, then I think there
is something wrong with you as a human being.

You can't end dictatorships and tyranny by taking them out with
military force as has been demontrated time and time again. Well
you can if you completely annihilate the country, but I imagine
that you have enough compassion towards innocents to not want that.

Peoples and countries have to work out their own destinies. It is
not for you to judge their way of life nor to impose your way on
them. A lot of countries today would be so much better off if the
big guys, like the United States, left them alone. Life in Iraq
under US occupation has been just as bloody as when Saddam was in
power and Iraqis are no further along towards working out their
own destiny.

Freedom and democracy didn't come about in the west by having it
imposed on us by some outside force. They were built from within
and this is why they last. It must be the same for other peoples.
A lot of Americans have a very hard time with this.

Paul P

Paul, political answers to questions of the heart come off as
excuses. Of course we can't remove every Dictator in the World,
practically speaking. But where is your heart? It it was up to me,
every evil ******* Dictator in this world would be gone. Apparently,
you need to do a political accessment, cost analysis and then check
with a Ways and Means committee before you allow yourself to ask your
heart the question.

The world needs to be spared from hearts like yours.

Predrag

So your answer to the question about ending Dictatorships in the
Sudan and elsewhere is, you'd rather get rid of me.
How typical of you, Predrag.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Scott Dorsey]

Predrag Trpkov wrote:

Mikhail Gorbachev made a deal with Bush senior's administration and agreed
to dismantle the Soviet empire under certain conditions, one of them being
of paramount importance to them: NATO was not to expand to Russia's
backyard.

Russia started to fall apart rapidly under Boris Jelcin and Clinton's
administration disregarded the agreement. Russians could only stand by and
watch in frustration, humiliation and anger as NATO crept onto their
borders.

Much of what has been going on in Russia, Ukraine and the whole region is a
direct backlash of NATO's expansion. Russians will not allow it any further,
no matter the cost.

I think you overestimate NATO... first of all, NATO isn't what it used to
be before the cold war. Yes, it's an organization that includes some
alliances, but these days it has become little more than a military standards
association in many ways. It's not a threat, and I can't see Gorbachev
considering it one.

I think a lot of the issues with the breakdown of the Soviet empire have to
do with disillusionment about planned economies being replaced with a
sudden belief that somehow free markets were going to solve all of Russia's
problems... and human nature being what it is, they just exchange things
for another set of different problems. Not to mention that too many people
confuse the independant notions of democracy and free markets.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Sigurd Stenersen]

"Predrag Trpkov" wrote
"Sigurd Stenersen" wrote in message
"Predrag Trpkov" wrote
1 million killed
1-2 million widows

Hmmm

Oh, if it's the math that doesn't seem right to you, the number of widows
being larger than the number of killed people, I guess it reflects the
fact
that muslims are allowed to have more than one wife.

Hmmm

Even cultures that allow bigamy and worse will, on the average, have a male
to female birth rate ratio of approximately 1:1. Hence, if there are a lot
of guys that have two or more wifes, there must be an even bigger number of
guys that don't have a wife.

So you are saying that the one million guys allegedly killed were mostly
guys with more than one wife, and at the same time the bachelors were left
alone. That sounds rather amazing.


Something doesn't add up here. So -

Hmmm


Sigurd

[philicorda[_6_]]

On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:58:21 +0100, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:

snip

So you are saying that the one million guys allegedly killed were mostly
guys with more than one wife, and at the same time the bachelors were
left alone. That sounds rather amazing.

Civilian and insurgent deaths are counted separately.

Therefore a 'war widow' can exist without a corresponding partner in the
total *excess* mortality.

That's how I understand it anyway. I believe there are no official
American figures, because they stopped counting civilian deaths when the
results became too depressing.



Something doesn't add up here. So -

Hmmm


Sigurd

[Predrag Trpkov]

"Sigurd Stenersen" wrote in message
...
"Predrag Trpkov" wrote
"Sigurd Stenersen" wrote in message
"Predrag Trpkov" wrote
1 million killed
1-2 million widows

Hmmm

Oh, if it's the math that doesn't seem right to you, the number of
widows
being larger than the number of killed people, I guess it reflects the
fact
that muslims are allowed to have more than one wife.

Hmmm

Even cultures that allow bigamy and worse will, on the average, have a
male
to female birth rate ratio of approximately 1:1. Hence, if there are a
lot
of guys that have two or more wifes, there must be an even bigger number
of
guys that don't have a wife.

So you are saying that the one million guys allegedly killed were mostly
guys with more than one wife, and at the same time the bachelors were left
alone. That sounds rather amazing.


Something doesn't add up here. So -

Hmmm


I'm not saying anything, I just quoted the source. Seemed trustworthy to me.

Why is bigamy a bad thing?

Anyway, while the male to female birth rate ratio in Iraq may have been the
same as elsewhere, I doubt that the ratio of male to female adults has been
anywhere close to 1:1 for many years now.

Predrag

[Predrag Trpkov]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Predrag Trpkov wrote:

Mikhail Gorbachev made a deal with Bush senior's administration and
agreed
to dismantle the Soviet empire under certain conditions, one of them
being
of paramount importance to them: NATO was not to expand to Russia's
backyard.

Russia started to fall apart rapidly under Boris Jelcin and Clinton's
administration disregarded the agreement. Russians could only stand by
and
watch in frustration, humiliation and anger as NATO crept onto their
borders.

Much of what has been going on in Russia, Ukraine and the whole region is
a
direct backlash of NATO's expansion. Russians will not allow it any
further,
no matter the cost.

I think you overestimate NATO... first of all, NATO isn't what it used to
be before the cold war. Yes, it's an organization that includes some
alliances, but these days it has become little more than a military
standards
association in many ways. It's not a threat, and I can't see Gorbachev
considering it one.


I wish I did, but 10 years ago I was watching NATO aircrafts flying over my
head loaded with missiles, destroying a nearby sovereign country, both
military and civilian infrastructure, killing civilians all over the place.
No matter what you and I think about Milosevic, it was a war of aggression,
the supreme international crime according to the Nuremberg Tribunal. I'm not
a fool to believe that it couldn't have been my home, had your military
planners decided that building a huge military base on my island, instead of
not-so-distant Kosovo, would better serve your national interests.

That's the main and the most worrysome change in the official NATO doctrine.
Once strictly a defensive alliance, it is now prepared to conduct military
operations anywhere in the world, wherever it may suit the national
interests of its member states. Couple that with the concept of "defence
against terrorism" and there's nothing that couldn't be flexed to fit such
criteria if the political will is there. If nothing, recent history has
shown political will to be susceptible to extreme manipulation.

AFAIK, Gorbachev doesn't trust NATO and the Americans much anymore. Hardly
surprising. Even if the expansion of NATO to Russia's neighbours could have
been overlooked, it was the NATO aggresion on Serbia in 1999 that opened
many eyes in Russia. Especially now that it's clear that mass graves of
100000 to 200000 civilians will never be found on Kosovo as opposed to the
biggest foreign U.S. military base built from scratch since the Vietnam War.

For some of us Iraq is not that far away.



I think a lot of the issues with the breakdown of the Soviet empire have
to
do with disillusionment about planned economies being replaced with a
sudden belief that somehow free markets were going to solve all of
Russia's
problems... and human nature being what it is, they just exchange things
for another set of different problems. Not to mention that too many
people
confuse the independant notions of democracy and free markets.
--scott


True, I've seen a lot of it around here too. However, in Russia the
political and economical issues are inseparable from the geostrategical
ones. Putin's strong position is just as much a result of his restoring
Russia's global power status (and the accompanying national pride) as is his
rescuing the economy from the freefall of the Yeltsin years. The same goes
for their reinventing themselves as the leading energy superpower.
Unfortunately that kind of roller coaster ride is not a fertile ground for
democracy.

Installing missile shields along the borders of Russia won't help either.

Predrag

[WillStG]

On Feb 3, 10:09 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
I think a lot of the issues with the breakdown of the Soviet empire have to
do with disillusionment about planned economies being replaced with a
sudden belief that somehow free markets were going to solve all of Russia's
problems... and human nature being what it is, they just exchange things
for another set of different problems. Not to mention that too many people
confuse the independant notions of democracy and free markets.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Had the US helped rebuild Russia, treating winning the Cold War
like we did winning WWII, the odds would have been a lot better that
Russia would not have degenerated into the Kleptocracy it has become,
run by ex KGB. We should have infused massive capital and Industrial
and infrastructure projects into the region 20 years ago, done
something similar to a "Marshall Plan" and empowered the population
economically, helped develop a broader Russian Middle Class. Wiser
post Cold War policy would have prevented these problems we see now,
but all people wanted to do was spend their "Peace Dividend".

Stupid and shortsighted, pennywise and poundfoolish.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Kurt Riemann]

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:14:35 -0500, Ty Ford
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:26:52 -0500, Kurt Riemann wrote
(in article ):

Every time you quote his entire original post you are in violation of
his copytight and owe him an additional 10,000.




Kurt Riemann

Actually, that's entirely incorrect, Kurt. You, above all people should know
better.

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhG



I think we're even now.





Kurt

[Eeyore]

Soundhaspriority wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:00:00 -0500, Eeyore wrote
(in article ):

You could find his host (details below from IP addresss of 194.236.32.162
derived from a traceroute) and request the account be terminated for illegal
activity. Check their terms and conditions. Swedes usually speak better
English than Americans btw. ;~)

http://www.space2u.com/?lang=eng&PHP...np09rurp9cdlr3
http://www.space2u.com/kontakt.php


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Space2u Webhosting AB org: ORG-SWA2-RIPE country: SE
admin-c: AL3936-RIPE tech-c: TW3344-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA

mnt-by: TELIANET-LIR source: RIPE # Filtered organisation:
ORG-SWA2-RIPE org-name: Space2u Webhosting AB org-type: OTHER
descr: Webhosting address: Klockarvagen 35 address:
87030 Nordingra address: Sverige phone: +46613722550 fax-no:

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AL3936-RIPE tech-c: TW3344-RIPE mnt-by: TELIANET-LIR mnt-ref:

TELIANET-LIR source: RIPE # Filtered person: Anders
Lundholm address: Space2u Webhosting AB address: Klockarvägen 35
address: S-87030 Nordingrå address: Sweden phone: +46 613
722550 fax-no: +46 613 722560 e-mail:
e-mail: e-mail: nic-hdl:

AL3936-RIPE source: RIPE # Filtered person: Tomas Westin address:

Klockarvägen 35 address: 87030 Nordingrå address: Sweden
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source: RIPE # Filtered


Graham

Damn Graham,

You're good.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

He's not THAT GOOD!

DANCE YOU ****ING MONKEY, DANCE!

I'll deal with YOU when I've got more time.

Graham

[muzician21]

On Jan 21, 7:20*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

The most egregious example of this that I'm aware of is the site in China
that ripped off my entirewww.pcavtech.comweb site, lock, stock, and
barrel. * Same pages, except some were badly translated into Chinese. I
don't know if it is still around or not.


And they're fully aware there's not squat you can do about it, when
multibillion-dollar entertainment behemoths can't do much. China is
the IP violation center of the universe. This is a country that
exports fake pharmaceuticals that kill people and from what I gather
their gov't makes only cursory efforts to do anything about it.

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:36:03 -0800 (PST), muzician21
wrote:

On Jan 21, 7:20*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

The most egregious example of this that I'm aware of is the site in China
that ripped off my entirewww.pcavtech.comweb site, lock, stock, and
barrel. * Same pages, except some were badly translated into Chinese. I
don't know if it is still around or not.


And they're fully aware there's not squat you can do about it, when
multibillion-dollar entertainment behemoths can't do much. China is
the IP violation center of the universe. This is a country that
exports fake pharmaceuticals that kill people and from what I gather
their gov't makes only cursory efforts to do anything about it.

And, if you're an American, your government *won't* do anything
about it either. As hopeful as I and so many other Americans are
about the new Kennedy administration, few will have any illusions
of any change of business-as-usual WRT China as long as they keep
buying our paper.

When we Americans approach the tipping point where our debt to
China is recognized as the threat to national security that it
is (and has been, and sadly unaknowdgled , for years...) and that
we're borrowing that money from China to give it to Saudi
Arabia, maybe we'll wise up.

Yeah, that'll happen.


The American Century is over. The best that anyone not lucky
enough to be in the high-momentum parts of the the world, as
opposed to the high-entropy parts of the world, and who believes
that the American model was WorthWhile, can do *this* century is to
tuck your heads between your knees and kiss your sweet ass goodbye.

(Only true if we let it, kids.)


God Bless Us, Every One,
Chris Hornbeck

[bassett]

"Eeyore" wrote in message

He's not THAT GOOD!

DANCE YOU ****ING MONKEY, DANCE!

I'll deal with YOU when I've got more time.

Graham


Enjoy the wait.. Nothings going to happen, it never does,
Little Graham's just blowing smoke out of his arse AGAIN.
bassett

[soundhaspriority]

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Sorry, Brian. Not good enough.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

[Ty Ford]

Brian,

I'm holding up a finger for you. Guess which one.

1. You're late on this one.

2. And you had the ****ing nerve to email me about your lost tapes at
Sheffield?

4. You crossposted this all over the place, nice going, Mr. Clean.

3. Does your mother own a gun?

Ty Ford




On Thu, 14 May 2009 10:34:20 -0400, Soundhaspriority wrote
(in article ):

It's this kind of timewasting that has crippled the U.S economy. Hiring
lawyers and litigating the re-use of a review? ********! You've attempted to
strongarm someone for an action that's at best likely "fair use" of your
review, and at worst an innocent mistake that benefits the writer. Any
writer benefits when his work is read and respected.

And the miscreant is an old man with a prestigious audio history far
exceeding that of the mere product reviewer. Sounds mostly like professional
jealousy at work. And publications like Mix actively encourage
manufacturers to reprint their reviews, something that gives more
credibility to the publication as well as encourage advertisers - the method
by which ALL editorial is paid for.

A classic case of "biting the hand that feeds you".

If I was Mr. Lindberg I'd tell Tyreeford to go suck an egg. This is clearly
"fair use" under international copyright law.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511




--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
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