there are many of us here who would be happy to try and help him suss out
any "getting sound out of it

A Cakewalk beta tester and pro user came in here, and even he couldn't get
any sounds out of it. He is someone who has built his own computers and used
Sonar and Cakewalk for many years.



--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

Can you please summarize the differences between Pro Tools TDM and Pro
Tools LE

About $30,000 for the complete hardware setup, and 3x's as much for
purchasing 3rd party TDM plugins as for standard VST format.



--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

Ted Perlman wrote:
Do you remember which version of Sonar that was

Sonar 4.

I took it off my machine when it caused everything else to stop working. I
have never seen a software that installed itself so system-invasively that a
problem inherent only to that software could cause a system-wide
malfunction, especially with Windows XP.



That is strange how that happened. I've never had any audio app create
this kind of behavior, even Gigastudio.

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
m...
Do you remember which version of Sonar that was

Sonar 4.

I took it off my machine when it caused everything else to stop working. I
have never seen a software that installed itself so system-invasively that
a
problem inherent only to that software could cause a system-wide
malfunction, especially with Windows XP.

I don't recall having heard you mention this aspect previously (not saying
you didn't mind you -- I just don't remember that aspect). This is not
something that SONAR could literally do, though. SONAR doesn't do anything
when it's not running, nor does it overlay any system libraries. The only
thing I can think of with something like this is if there was some
coincidental occurrence on the system around the same time, for example an
important system DLL got corrupted and caused everything that depended upon
it to fail. SONAR isn't like QuickTime or RealAudio in the sense of
installing stuff that gets loaded whether you want it to or not (and without
explicitly starting it up). Thus, there is no way it could cause a
system-wide malfunction -- that has to be coincidence.

Well, let me rephrase that:

Normal installation of SONAR couldn't do this. If you happened to install
it in a critical Windows system directory or some other (non-default) spot
where it could get mixed in with other files, though the odds would still be
slim it could cause a system-wide malfunction (as its file names would
almost certainly be different than system files), there might be a slight
bit more than "no" way.

Also, one other thing I can think of with SONAR 4 is that it did let you
(optionally) install Windows Media and QuickTime. QuickTime in particular
can, and does, mess up some things in the Windows audio area of the system,
even if you explicitly tell it not to. I recently had to reinstall
QuickTime on my system, which nowadays seems to also mean installing iTunes,
and explicitly told it not to associate itself with some of my common
Windows audio files, including MP3s and WAV files. Well, it partly honored
my request. If I double click on an MP3 file in Windows Explorer, it still
comes up in Windows Media Player, like it should based on my settings prior
to the QuickTime installation. However, if I click on an MP3 file link on
the web in Internet Explorer, instead of being played by WMP like it used
to, and streaming right away, it downloads the whole file then launches a
QuickTime applet inside IE to play the file. And I've checked the file
associations QuickTime claims, and MP3 is not one of them, so it is
something specific to IE, and I haven't been able to find that yet. I have
also seen in the past that QuickTime could mess things up even more horribly
if you don't remember to explicitly to tell it not to associate itself with
certain files. The point being that if you did have SONAR 4 go ahead and
install QuickTime for you, I can definitely understand how some things could
have gotten messed up on the system in general, but not by SONAR 4 itself,
but the QuickTime installation (and SONAR 4 only provided Apple's default
QuickTime installer -- not anything customized to SONAR).

I dislike QuickTime intensely at this point, but, unfortunately, some
content developers insist on using it. (My recent reinstallation was to
play some of the new Spectrasonics Stylus RMX demo/tutorial videos.)

Rick

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Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~rickpaul
MP3s: http://www.soundclick.com/rickpaul
=====================================

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
m...
No, in fact there are no buttons at all on his mouse

You can use a multi button mouse with Macs. They just do not come as
standard equipment.


.... and the software is largely ignorant of the usage potential.

Hell, even Adobe apps that have been on Winders for years are only grudingly
beginning to give basic contextual right-click support.

geoff

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
m...
A Cakewalk beta tester and pro user came in here, and even he couldn't get
any sounds out of it. He is someone who has built his own computers and
used
Sonar and Cakewalk for many years.

I think I may know who you mean from that description. See also my response
to the message where you mentioned about having the installation mess up
other things on your system. I'm starting to get a theory on this now that
you've mentioned that and I know it was SONAR 4. I am really wondering if
you let it install the QuickTime component (which was a prerequisite if you
wanted the QuickTime video import/export features to work), and the
nastiness of what QuickTime does, be it by default (you have to explicitly
override some of its choices most of the time), or even when you've told it
not to do certain things (and it doesn't seem to honor all of those), both
messed up the other things in your system and locked the driver for your
sound card at Windows boot up so it was no longer accessible to SONAR (or
anything else that might want to use it in parallel).

If that was it, the solution would have been to fix things so QuickTime did
not start up at boot time, or was associated with some other audio device
(e.g. a generic computer sound card if you have one) instead of the one you
wanted to use in SONAR. Also, depending on what the other problems were you
mentioned in your other note, that might also give some sense of the
likelihood that QuickTime was the cause of the problems. I know one thing I
saw in this area in the past was that anytime I'd play certain types of
audio files in Internet Explorer they'd end up getting played by QuickTime,
but it would do something like run them at half the sample rate, or dropping
every other sample, or some such thing, and it would be like listening to
audio through a fan (or worse). I don't recall how I resolved that one at
this point, but it was something I could clearly trace to a before/after
QuickTime thing at the time.

If you ever want to try the SONAR 4 thing again, I'd suggest installing it
and saying "no" to the question of whether you want QuickTime, and the
QuickTime import/export filters, installed. (You can always do those
separately later if need be.) At least that would help keep it out of the
picture, and the rest of SONAR really can't hurt other things on the system
like you indicated in your other message. There really has to be a solution
here, and it shouldn't have taken 4 months to find!

Rick

--
=====================================
Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~rickpaul
MP3s: http://www.soundclick.com/rickpaul
=====================================

Also, one other thing I can think of with SONAR 4 is that it did let you
(optionally) install Windows Media and QuickTime. QuickTime in particular
can, and does, mess up some things in the Windows audio area of the system

Thanks for trying to figure it out Rick. But unless Sonar's Quicktime
install is defective, I don't think QuickTime is the villain here. I use
Nuendo, and it also installs Quicktime when you install the program. I've
had no issues ever with that, on multiple machines.

But you're right - I have absolutely no desire to ever revisit my Sonar
experience. You guys can enjoy it all you want, but if I ever switch from
Nuendo it will be to either a ProTools system or I'll just get a Mac and go
back to using Logic.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:18:49 GMT, "Ted Perlman"
wrote:

Do you remember which version of Sonar that was

Sonar 4.

I took it off my machine when it caused everything else to stop working. I
have never seen a software that installed itself so system-invasively that a
problem inherent only to that software could cause a system-wide
malfunction, especially with Windows XP.

Maybe it wasnt Sonar, but byproducts installed from all the porn sites
you visit that caused the mal****tion. heh

Randall

Maybe it wasnt Sonar, but byproducts installed from all the porn sites
you visit

Very funny...

That would be on my internet machine. My music DAW doesn't have an internet
connection.


TP

FWIW, the issues I've had with QuickTime installs were with just generic
ones from Apple, not the one on the SONAR CD. I opted out of that one
because I'd already had QuickTime installed by the time I installed SONAR 4.
(I've had to reinstall QuickTime various times after disk problems, and was
going to try to leave it off entirely on my most recent rebuild, but then
decided I did want to play the new RMX tutorials after all, so grudgingly
put it back on.)

Rick
--
=====================================
Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~rickpaul
MP3s: http://www.soundclick.com/rickpaul
=====================================

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
. ..
Also, one other thing I can think of with SONAR 4 is that it did let you
(optionally) install Windows Media and QuickTime. QuickTime in particular
can, and does, mess up some things in the Windows audio area of the
system

Thanks for trying to figure it out Rick. But unless Sonar's Quicktime
install is defective, I don't think QuickTime is the villain here. I use
Nuendo, and it also installs Quicktime when you install the program. I've
had no issues ever with that, on multiple machines.

But you're right - I have absolutely no desire to ever revisit my Sonar
experience. You guys can enjoy it all you want, but if I ever switch from
Nuendo it will be to either a ProTools system or I'll just get a Mac and
go
back to using Logic.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

"Laurence Payne" wrote:

PT LE isn't ProTools. It's a toy application cashing in on the PT
name. But I agree, PT isn't focused on MIDI.


"Lorin David Schultz" wrote:

I'd be grateful if you would elaborate on that. Can you please
summarize the differences between Pro Tools TDM and Pro Tools LE?



So, other than your link to the Digidesign web site, nothing from you to
support your remarks.

Shall we now conclude that you really don't know the differences between
the LE and TDM versions of Pro Tools, and were merely taking a pointless
cheap-shot at something you know nothing about? Or are you just too
lazy to defend your own derogatory comments?

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:47:19 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
wrote:



So, other than your link to the Digidesign web site, nothing from you to
support your remarks.

Shall we now conclude that you really don't know the differences between
the LE and TDM versions of Pro Tools, and were merely taking a pointless
cheap-shot at something you know nothing about? Or are you just too
lazy to defend your own derogatory comments?

LE does indeed have more in it than I thought. My apologies. See the
Digidesign site for authorative details.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

Ted,

Sonar 4 ... cause a system-wide malfunction

I'm sure something else was going on. I mean, think about it. If Sonar
really did that, it would do the same on everyone else's computer too.
Obviously that's not the case. I have no explanation, and I can't indict any
other program or system setting on your computer without being there. But
I've used Sonar since version 1, and at least a half dozen of my close
friends have done the same, and none of us ever had ANY problems like that.

I am not trying to convince you to love Sonar! Just trying to understand
what might have gone wrong. I know what you mean about "tweaky programs"
because that's exactly how I feel about Logic and Cubase. I know my way
around DAWs generally, but when a friend asked me to help him with Cubase (a
few years ago, not the current version), I gave up after 2 hours. I was
there when he PAID the guy from the local music store to come by and show
him the basics, and we were both flummoxed. Five minutes after the guy left
we couldn't remember the million steps needed to start a new project and
record audio. Now he uses Sonar. I know that Cubase and Logic (and all other
DAWs) have customers who are fiercely loyal. I guess once you figure ANY of
them out, they all get the job done.

--Ethan

Rick,

any version of SONAR 1.x prior to 1.3, even SONAR 2.0 was pretty solid out
of the gate.

I agree completely, they were all solid. I do remember being frustrated that
the engine shut itself off, because it took me a while to figure that out
the first time. But once I knew to check that button it was never a problem
again. There may have been a few other gotchas like that, but nothing
insurmountable. Again, I love Sonar! It does everything I could possibly
need and ten times more, and the current versions are rock solid. In all the
years I've used Sonar I have never once lost work. I wish I could say that
about all the other programs I use.

--Ethan

Boy, do I have Quicktime audio problems!
Garrble stutter echh fooh.
Pic looked fine,audio useless.
Uninstalled it!
I stopped upgrading with Sonar 2.2,
which does MIDI quite well, so I still use it.
I use Samplitude 8.21 for audio,
but I'm starting to use it more for MIDI work,
as the MIDI engine becomes more robust.

Tom













"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
. ..
Also, one other thing I can think of with SONAR 4 is that it did let you
(optionally) install Windows Media and QuickTime. QuickTime in particular
can, and does, mess up some things in the Windows audio area of the
system

Thanks for trying to figure it out Rick. But unless Sonar's Quicktime
install is defective, I don't think QuickTime is the villain here. I use
Nuendo, and it also installs Quicktime when you install the program. I've
had no issues ever with that, on multiple machines.

But you're right - I have absolutely no desire to ever revisit my Sonar
experience. You guys can enjoy it all you want, but if I ever switch from
Nuendo it will be to either a ProTools system or I'll just get a Mac and
go
back to using Logic.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

You are a nice guy Ted,
that's 3 months and 30 days longer that I would have kept her. ;-)

Tom



"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
m...
Bottom line is that the impression Ted seems to be trying to give is that
SONAR is defective because he couldn't get it to make sound on his system

No, Sonar just doesn't work for ME. I'm sure you Sonar users are more than
happy using the software. It's not defective, I just happen to think that
it's design is anal compared to other Windows pro recording apps.

I kept with it for 4 months. That's longer than I world keep a woman if I
couldn't figure out how to get any sounds out of her (a great straight
line
if there ever was one :-)


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:55:53 GMT, Glennbo
trained 100 monkeys to jump on the
keyboard and write:

In m the killer robot
"Ted Perlman" grabbed the controls of the spaceship
cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

No, in fact there are no buttons at all on his mouse

You can use a multi button mouse with Macs. They just do not come as
standard equipment.

Do the extra buttons actually do anything with applications though?

Yeah, but just like in WinXP, you have to tell the OS what you want
the buttons to do. *shrug* Easy enough.

--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

Glennbo wrote:

Do the extra buttons actually do anything with applications though?


In OS9 (which was in use many years back) you usually had to
specifically map right click. I can't think of a single program in OSX
that doesnn't take full advantage of right click, scroll wheel, etc.

In all the years I've used Sonar I have never once lost work. I wish I
could say that
about all the other programs I use

I've never lost ANY work with ANY program, or machine for that matter. My
Fostex X-15, Tascam 388, ADATs, DA88's, 2" tape, and my EMU Darwin hard disk
recorder were all fine. Cakewalk, Logic, Sound Forge, and Nuendo were/are
all fine as far as not losing any work.

However, I never was able to accomplish any work with Sonar to lose.



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Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

I know that Cubase and Logic...have customers who are fiercely loyal. I
guess once you figure ANY of
them out, they all get the job done

That's what I've always thought - until I ran into Sonar 4. It's the ONLY
program I have never been able to figure out enough to make any sounds, midi
or audio.

Like I've already posted, I have been able to figure out Logic, Cubase SX,
Nuendo, ProTools, Sound Forge, Traktion, Acid, Vegas, Digital Performer,
Studio Vision, Samplitude (almost as perplexing as Sonar - ALMOST), Reason,
Storm, and Live in a short amount of time. Just not Sonar 4.


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

Ted Perlman wrote:
I know that Cubase and Logic...have customers who are fiercely loyal. I
guess once you figure ANY of
them out, they all get the job done

That's what I've always thought - until I ran into Sonar 4. It's the ONLY
program I have never been able to figure out enough to make any sounds, midi
or audio.

Like I've already posted, I have been able to figure out Logic, Cubase SX,
Nuendo, ProTools, Sound Forge, Traktion, Acid, Vegas, Digital Performer,
Studio Vision, Samplitude (almost as perplexing as Sonar - ALMOST), Reason,
Storm, and Live in a short amount of time. Just not Sonar 4.


IS THAT IT?

thats all...?



everything except sonar 4, that's pretty rich

if you've fornicated with sonar 3 then you can say you have fornicated
with sonar 4

Lorin David Schultz wrote:

I need to decide whether to jump on the TDM bandwagon and keep pressing
until we get it (which might mean another year or even two of using the
outdated 001 system we have now), or present an LE alternative that
Accounting might actually pay for.

Not to start a flame war or anything, but have you considered Nuendo?
That's most likely the direction I'm going when it comes time to replace
my Mix system. Do you have a need to stay with digi for compatibility
reasons, etc?

For my home system, even though I had the 001, I've been using Cubase
most often except when working with sessions from work... and once I go
to Nuendo at work, Cubase will open those perfectly at home.

I like Pro Tools fine, I guess I'm thinking I want to get off the
hardware upgrade train for a while which Digi keeps putting us on... not
that I blame them because they need a steady revenue stream to stay in
business, but for what I do with that system, I have no need for DSP,
native is fine. With Nuendo/Cubase, there's no need to upgrade my audio
interface for a long time.

Lorin David Schultz wrote:

Like you, we've got an old G4/001 rig at the station that I'm trying to
get updated. Between Engineering, Accounting and Operations we've
managed to reach a point where nothing can happen. Some people insist
we really need a TDM rig. Since Accounting can't justify that kind of
cost, they've decided to do nothing.

Ask those calling for the TDM rig to jusitfy their demand by stating
what it is they intend to do with it that they cannot do with the LE
rig.

Then have Ty Ford expalin to them how to do it with the LE rig. g

--
ha

geoff@away wrote:

... and the software is largely ignorant of the usage potential.

Huh? There's this software that comes with the Kensington stuff that
allows all kinds of thing to be mapped to one's trackball buttons.

--
ha

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:49:48 GMT, "Ted Perlman"
wrote:


Samplitude (almost as perplexing as Sonar - ALMOST)


Huh? Samplitude is not perplexing.It just has a lot of functionality.
Compared to the environments in Logic, Samplitude is simple.

Randall

" wrote:

Not to start a flame war or anything, but have you considered Nuendo?
That's most likely the direction I'm going when it comes time to
replace my Mix system. Do you have a need to stay with digi for
compatibility reasons, etc?



We don't move stuff around between facilities as much as we used to
anymore, but several of us on staff have LE rigs on our personal laptops
so it would nice to maintain compatibility.

Even if compatibility wasn't a consideration, I really like Pro Tools
and would like to stay with it. And even if I didn't like it, we have
procedures in place that we know will work with Pro Tools, and if it
ain't broke, etc.

Besides, I'd need a *really* compelling reason to start learning a whole
new interface and workflow process! g

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"hank alrich" wrote:

There's this software that comes with the Kensington stuff that
allows all kinds of thing to be mapped to one's trackball buttons.



I haven't tried it so perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but that seems to
require at least somewhat more user involvement than simply having
context-sensitive right click functions inherent in the OS and most of
the applications written for it (notable ports from Mac OS excepted).

Other than that, is there any advantage or disadvantage to the Mac
approach as compared to Windows that you're aware of?

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
...
I know that Cubase and Logic...have customers who are fiercely loyal. I
guess once you figure ANY of
them out, they all get the job done

That's what I've always thought - until I ran into Sonar 4. It's the ONLY
program I have never been able to figure out enough to make any sounds,
midi
or audio.

Like I've already posted, I have been able to figure out Logic, Cubase SX,
Nuendo, ProTools, Sound Forge, Traktion, Acid, Vegas, Digital Performer,
Studio Vision, Samplitude (almost as perplexing as Sonar - ALMOST),
Reason,
Storm, and Live in a short amount of time. Just not Sonar 4.

I'm guessing it's some anomaly not common to most on your system that
something about Sonar didn't get along with. I've only heard of a handful of
these issues since they started Sonar so it would probably be pretty hard to
track down what it is.

"hank alrich" wrote:

Ask those calling for the TDM rig to jusitfy their demand by stating
what it is they intend to do with it that they cannot do with the LE
rig.

Then have Ty Ford expalin to them how to do it with the LE rig. g



Good idea!

I'm a little reluctant to make it adversarial though, for a couple
reasons.

First, I gotta work with these people. I don't want them ****ed off at
me for what they might perceive as my actions costing them the system
they want.

Second, I'd like to have a TDM rig too! Even if there is no major
advantage for our application, it would be nice to have the additional
DSP horsepower. I'd also appreciate the almost tangible difference in
prestige that comes from not being perceived as a user of "second class"
equipment.

Thus I'm looking for my own ammunition in the battle for TDM hill. The
people in Engineering aren't stupid though, so in order to win the fight
there will have to be advantages that actually make a difference to our
work flow in a meaningful way. To be honest, I'm not sure any such
advantages exist in settings requiring fewer than 18 inputs or 32 tracks
(assuming a suitably capable computer).

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"Glennbo" wrote in message
2.36...
In the killer robot
Laurence Payne grabbed the controls
of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

Very awkward, but stylish looking.

That's a fair definition of (some) Macs :-)

I used to kid around in CompUSA by the designer colored Macs. When a
clerk
would walk by, I'd say to my wife, "well, do you think we should get the
green or the orange computer?"

This sort of marketing seems to be working with the younger generation.

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Glennbo" wrote in message
2.36...
In the killer robot
Laurence Payne grabbed the controls
of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

Very awkward, but stylish looking.

That's a fair definition of (some) Macs :-)

I used to kid around in CompUSA by the designer colored Macs. When a
clerk
would walk by, I'd say to my wife, "well, do you think we should get the
green or the orange computer?"

This sort of marketing seems to be working with the younger generation.


Why shouldn't it? Didn't their parents buy refrigerators in every
imaginable color back in the 70s? Aren't we quickly approaching the point
at which computers can reasonably be thought of as appliances?

Why shouldn't it? Didn't their parents buy refrigerators in every
imaginable color back in the 70s?

In the 70s I remember refrigerators came in white. Maybe in America?
:-)

Aren't we quickly approaching the point
at which computers can reasonably be thought of as appliances?

I think we got there several years ago.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

I get a lot of professional work done with SONAR. Songs for national
TV shows, and children's music for an international text book
publisher for examples. But I'm the true definition of a long time
Cakewalk user.

To be honest though, if I install a program and can't get it to be
useful in 30 minutes or so, I move on. I think the last time this
happened to me was ACID 5, with the .net thing and the media manager.
After 30 minutes of crashing and fighting I wrote in for a refund.
Which they granted me. I can certainly understand someone giving up on
software that doesn't work for them right off the bat. Luckily I
didn't have this problem with SONAR.

Anyway, shameless plug. An article I wrote appears in the February
issue of Recording Magazine. It's about the technical issues of using
the internet to collaborate on a song with someone. Read it, and write
to the editors telling them how much you enjoyed it. grin.



Michael Nickolas
www.studionineproductions.com

Lorin David Schultz wrote:


Besides, I'd need a *really* compelling reason to start learning a whole
new interface and workflow process! g


The only compelling reason I have is financial... the hardware upgrade
train that comes every couple of years. Honestly, that's the only
reason for me, because I know both Pro Tools and Nuendo/Cubase pretty
well already.

Interestingly enough, I know a guy who used to be a supervisor over at
Skywalker Sound, and they moved to Nuendo primarily for the same reason.


Seriously though, if the finances aren't an issue, yea, stick with digi.
Sorry I couldn't provide more ammunition for you.

Lorin David Schultz wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote:

Ask those calling for the TDM rig to jusitfy their demand by stating
what it is they intend to do with it that they cannot do with the LE
rig.

Then have Ty Ford expalin to them how to do it with the LE rig. g

Good idea!

I'm a little reluctant to make it adversarial though, for a couple
reasons.

First, I gotta work with these people. I don't want them ****ed off at
me for what they might perceive as my actions costing them the system
they want.

Might want to rephrase the way I put it, then. g

Second, I'd like to have a TDM rig too! Even if there is no major
advantage for our application, it would be nice to have the additional
DSP horsepower. I'd also appreciate the almost tangible difference in
prestige that comes from not being perceived as a user of "second class"
equipment.

Thus I'm looking for my own ammunition in the battle for TDM hill. The
people in Engineering aren't stupid though, so in order to win the fight
there will have to be advantages that actually make a difference to our
work flow in a meaningful way. To be honest, I'm not sure any such
advantages exist in settings requiring fewer than 18 inputs or 32 tracks
(assuming a suitably capable computer).

That all makes sense. I'd say line it out and post it into DAW-Mac. You
will get a disc load of informed replies.

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ha

Lorin David Schultz wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote:

There's this software that comes with the Kensington stuff that
allows all kinds of thing to be mapped to one's trackball buttons.

I haven't tried it so perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but that seems to
require at least somewhat more user involvement than simply having
context-sensitive right click functions inherent in the OS and most of
the applications written for it (notable ports from Mac OS excepted).

You're right. The other side is that you can tell it to do whatever you
want. And the right-click thing involves clicking reg'larly with a
single modifier key. "Right click" has been there for a while. It
happens to be something I don't run into.

Other than that, is there any advantage or disadvantage to the Mac
approach as compared to Windows that you're aware of?

I am so ignorant of Windows I can't answer that. First thing I do when i
get a Mac or do a OS install on one is remove everything that has to do
with M$. Nevermind running Windows.

Sequoia is the first thing that makes me wonder about crossing
platforms. It appears to be slicker than what else is out there.

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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:39:16 +0000, Agent 86 wrote:


Why shouldn't it? Didn't their parents buy refrigerators in every
imaginable color back in the 70s? Aren't we quickly approaching the point
at which computers can reasonably be thought of as appliances?


Yea.
Mostly "harvest gold" and "avacado green", with a little orange thrown in.

See "The Brady Bunch" sitcom for details.

In article ,
Agent 86 wrote:
Aren't we quickly approaching the point
at which computers can reasonably be thought of as appliances?

Maybe on your planet they are. Not here, though.

I'm not a user of either TDM or LE, but I think we're thinking inside the
box of music production. If you were outside of that box, like editing
movie soundtrack events or other vid synced apps, perhaps there would be
other discoveries. You would think digid would have a pat answer of what
tools or capabilities are not in LE.
..

"Jeff Chestek" wrote in message
...
In article 1zXxf.79557$OU5.5186@clgrps13,
"Lorin David Schultz" wrote:



Don't take that the wrong way... I know what you're saying. I'm just
making a point. There seems to be a commonly held opinion that the TDM
version of the *software* offers some significant capability that the LE
version lacks. I haven't found those differences yet myself, so I'm
asking those who say they exist to tell me what they are.

Here's what I can identify:

- track count
- dedicated dsp takes load off CPU
- throughput delay not affected by host computer
- flexible I/O options

Three of those four are differences in hardware. I'd like to know if
anyone can think of anything I've missed at all, and specifically, if
there are functions available in the TDM version of the software that
are missing in the LE version.

All the ones that I can dredge up from memory, and a quick perusal of
the manual. The following are unavailable in the LE version:

Auto crossfade of regions
Beat Detective
Replace audio region
Repeat paste to fill selection
Compress/expand edit to play (I don't even know what the hell this does,
and it's too late to try and decypher the manual entry)
Trackpunch
Command focus (pre 6.1)
Universe window

I leave it to you to determine if these missing features constitute a
"crippled" version of the software!

JCh

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"Glennbo" wrote in message
2.36...
In the killer robot mindseye
grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and
pressed these buttons...

His Mac is is whatever is the latest greatest, fastest
computer on Earth one is. It's a G-Wow, or G-5 or
something.


Does the mouse have a right click function yet?

No, in fact there are no buttons at all on his mouse. The whole body of
the mouse presses down for a big click. Very awkward, but stylish
looking.

ROFLMAO

Really, when are they going to change that?! I think sometimes if you leave
the Mac mouse depressed a secondary drop-down menu shows up. But not nearly
as often as I need one.