The Roland RD-700 digital piano feels great, but the built in piano
sounds are just OK. Add the SRX board and you have a real contender.
That's been my solution. I like how long the samples are so that you
don't hear the looping on ballads, rather a nice natural sounding decay.
The velocity switch could be smoother in some places though. The Yamaha
was the other option on the short list and would also have been a good
solution.

--
Jay Frigoletto

I should also point out that most people here probably don't realize that Jay
is a helluva great piano player. Egghead, am I not right?

-R

I should also point out that most people here probably don't realize that
Jay
is a helluva great piano player. Egghead, am I not right?

I was surprised at how good he is.



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

"EggHd" wrote in message
...
I should also point out that most people here probably don't realize
that
Jay
is a helluva great piano player. Egghead, am I not right?

I was surprised at how good he is.

Man, there's a 'no answer' answer if I ever heard one...

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

I was surprised at how good he is.

Man, there's a 'no answer' answer if I ever heard one...


I'll even go further and say he's one of the piano players I know.

-R

Man, there's a 'no answer' answer if I ever heard one...

Jay is excellent on the piano.




---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

In article writes:

Or maybe that's sponsorship?

I think Scott largely hits the nail on the head. A reasonably picky piano
player is going to demand to have a piano at the venue that's been
acclimated, tuned, registered, etc., and touring requires this all the time.

Well, naturally. And no doubt he's quite satisfied with his Steinway
pianos and the people who set them up. However, if those pianos
started to get shopworn, maybe another manufacturer would jump up and
offer him a couple of free pianos set up to his specifications, just
so that people could see him playing it.

It happens. I don't think Doc Watson necessarily thinks that John
Pearse strings are the best, but I'll bet he appreciates having new
plenty of ones any time he needs them.

I'm not saying that Horowitz DOES have a promo or sponsorship deal, or
that there's anything wrong with this sort of deal. He isn't going to
play a piano he doesn't like just because he's getting a good deal. He
doesn't have to. But it doesn't hurt.



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Come on, Mike. Strings? Plenty of new ones? How many cases of strings do
you need to have "plenty of new ones"? Having two sets when you only use
one is plenty of new ones.

Now if you go towards $20k+ pianos, I might give you that, however, I'd
personally rather have my own and not be beholding to anyone. And I've done
just that, somewhat, in that I have multiple systems I've chosen for reasons
I've chosen them and I don't have to worry about leading anyon astray with
my personal preferences, not that anybody actually cares. But I'd not
accept anything for the purpose of simply HAVING it. Besides, what one uses
for recording purposes pretty much tells you the extent of what they
support, don't you think?

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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1071507289k@trad...

In article
writes:

Or maybe that's sponsorship?

I think Scott largely hits the nail on the head. A reasonably picky
piano
player is going to demand to have a piano at the venue that's been
acclimated, tuned, registered, etc., and touring requires this all the
time.

Well, naturally. And no doubt he's quite satisfied with his Steinway
pianos and the people who set them up. However, if those pianos
started to get shopworn, maybe another manufacturer would jump up and
offer him a couple of free pianos set up to his specifications, just
so that people could see him playing it.

It happens. I don't think Doc Watson necessarily thinks that John
Pearse strings are the best, but I'll bet he appreciates having new
plenty of ones any time he needs them.

I'm not saying that Horowitz DOES have a promo or sponsorship deal, or
that there's anything wrong with this sort of deal. He isn't going to
play a piano he doesn't like just because he's getting a good deal. He
doesn't have to. But it doesn't hurt.



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And I alluded to that in another post. But what one sees them playing in a
particular concert just doesn't cut it, now does it? One rider vs another,
carrying and digital piano that doesn't go out of tune vs paying the living
expenses and salary of a real person that maintains a piano are two
different things. And if something goes wrong with the digital, well, it's
simply a matter of calling the local hire company ore music store and
getting what you want.

There's no proof of what these people play for their own reasons within any
of this. Like I said, I'd just as soon know what they walk over to in their
own home when they go to play piano or write music. That's the telling
point.

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"R Krizman" wrote in message
...
Well, if you had said Ray Charles, I'd agee. Billy Joel plays a piano,
a
real one.


That's funny, when I saw Billy Joel touring with Elton John they both had
digital pianos mounted inside real piano shells.

-R

Good for you, Rick. How am I supposed to say anything about that? I'm glad
you like what you have. I assume that's why we buy it. But are you sure
you're the piano player, or the guy playing the piano?

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"R Krizman" wrote in message
...
General Music, Kawaii and Kurzweil make piano playing fun. The rest
are for
keyboard players playing piano, and it's not the same. But you don't have
to trust me. If you're in the market, take a piano player with you.



Hey, I'm a piano player. With the Kurzweil I can never get past the
feeling
that I'm triggering a sample. OTOH, on that new Yamaha, any lack of
accuracy
in the piano emulation (which is darned good) is more than compensated by
the
responsiveness of the action and the expressiveness of the sound. I sit
down
at that thing and I just don't want to get up.

That's me the piano player, not the engineer or composer, talking.

-R

Doesn't that go back to the worst compliment thread? g

"I'm surprised you played as well as you did, considering."

"I'd have never thought you were a piano player before."

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"Dave Martin" wrote in message
...
"EggHd" wrote in message
...
I should also point out that most people here probably don't realize
that
Jay
is a helluva great piano player. Egghead, am I not right?

I was surprised at how good he is.

Man, there's a 'no answer' answer if I ever heard one...

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

"EggHd" wrote in message
...
Jay is excellent on the piano

And just for the record, I'm not. I have carpel tunnel, of which I've
complained about before, and I don't have the chops nor the sight reading
capabilities of others. How that might effect my ability to hear good
quality piano I don't know, but there it is. From Woody Herman's
Woodchopper's Ball through Fats Domino and Jerry Lee Lewis and Johnnie
Johnson, to Nicky Hopkins and Chuck Leavell, I keep hoping. But I do know
what a piano sounds like. Out of some 700 performances with really good
piano players (90% jazz), I've not had too many of my assessments of the
piano be a point of contention.

Now with Rick, I don't know. If I speak as a piano player, then I assume
that I have to be able to at least play as well as Rick. I won't put myself
up to that test.

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..




---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

In article ,
(R Krizman) wrote:

The Roland RD-700 digital piano feels great, but the built in piano
sounds are just OK. Add the SRX board and you have a real contender.
That's been my solution. I like how long the samples are so that you
don't hear the looping on ballads, rather a nice natural sounding decay.
The velocity switch could be smoother in some places though. The Yamaha
was the other option on the short list and would also have been a good
solution.

--
Jay Frigoletto

I should also point out that most people here probably don't realize that
Jay is a helluva great piano player. Egghead, am I not right?

-R


You are quite kind Rick. Thanks!


EggHd wrote:
I should also point out that most people here probably don't realize
that Jay is a helluva great piano player. Egghead, am I not right?

I was surprised at how good he is.


And you too Egg! It's nice to have friends.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

Now with Rick, I don't know. If I speak as a piano player, then I assume
that I have to be able to at least play as well as Rick. I won't put myself
up to that test.


If I had to make a living as a piano player I'm sure I could make the same 50
bucks a night I made when I was 15.

Jay may be better than Egghead expected, but nobody plays like I do.


At least not willingly.

-R

On a more serious note, there comes a time at which chops and sight reading
just don't matter any more. It's what you feel, it's what you do, and your
opinions pretty much roll out from there. It can work for others or not. As
Dylan said, "to each his own, it's all unknown (when dogs run free)" Really,
to find a sampled piano that works for you in any way at all is a miracle, and
you should hold onto what little bit of goodness it provides.

There's no proof of what these people play for their own reasons within any
of this. Like I said, I'd just as soon know what they walk over to in their
own home when they go to play piano or write music. That's the telling
point.

I don't know what Elton John plays at home, but the last time I was in London I
worked at Air Lyndhurst, and after my session we down to the big room where
Elton had been tracking, and I sat down at his two pianos, a 9 ft Bosendorfer
and a 9 foot Yamaha. Didn't care for the Bo so much, but I'll never forget how
that Yamaha felt or sounded. Anyhow, like no Yamaha I've ever played. I
swear, these guys get to breath a better brand of air itself.

-R

Good for you, Rick. How am I supposed to say anything about that? I'm glad
you like what you have. I assume that's why we buy it. But are you sure
you're the piano player, or the guy playing the piano?

Hey, I didn't say I bought one. In my studio I use either Gigapiano, a small
Kurzweil module, a Roland 1080 or the hyped up stuff in a Triton. If I have
time and really need a real piano, I mic the C7. But if I was going to start
playing live again, I'd get that new Yamaha. Just feels satisfying to me.

And I really don't know if I'm the piano player, or the guy playing the piano.
WTF?

-R

Doesn't that go back to the worst compliment thread? g

"I'm surprised you played as well as you did, considering."

"I'd have never thought you were a piano player before."

In my house, nobody dances around what they really feel. My teenage daughter
recently told me that when I play the piano it sounds like glass breaking
inside her ears. (it's a Yamaha C5, BTW).

Then an hour later she's begging me to play her favorite John Hiatt tune.

It's a tough crowd.

-R

Hey, at least she likes John Hiatt! Show her a little Nick Lowe! g

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"R Krizman" wrote in message
...
Doesn't that go back to the worst compliment thread? g

"I'm surprised you played as well as you did, considering."

"I'd have never thought you were a piano player before."

In my house, nobody dances around what they really feel. My teenage
daughter
recently told me that when I play the piano it sounds like glass breaking
inside her ears. (it's a Yamaha C5, BTW).

Then an hour later she's begging me to play her favorite John Hiatt tune.

It's a tough crowd.

-R

OK, I didn't state it right. A piano player is someone that's a consumate
artist on a piano, usually griping about the action, the pedals, etc. A guy
playing the piano is just glad he's got the gig. Does that make sense?

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"R Krizman" wrote in message
...
Good for you, Rick. How am I supposed to say anything about that? I'm
glad
you like what you have. I assume that's why we buy it. But are you sure
you're the piano player, or the guy playing the piano?

Hey, I didn't say I bought one. In my studio I use either Gigapiano, a
small
Kurzweil module, a Roland 1080 or the hyped up stuff in a Triton. If I
have
time and really need a real piano, I mic the C7. But if I was going to
start
playing live again, I'd get that new Yamaha. Just feels satisfying to me.

And I really don't know if I'm the piano player, or the guy playing the
piano.
WTF?

-R

"R Krizman" wrote in message
...

Anyhow, like no Yamaha I've ever played. I
swear, these guys get to breath a better brand of air itself.

I'd have to agree with that. Ain't "for hire" equipment just great? g

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In article writes:

Come on, Mike. Strings? Plenty of new ones? How many cases of strings do
you need to have "plenty of new ones"? Having two sets when you only use
one is plenty of new ones.

True, but if you play five nights a week, have corrosive hands, and
like to start off a night with a fresh set of strings, not having to
buy two dozen sets a month can be a good thing.




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In article znr1071537385k@trad, (Mike Rivers) writes:

In article
writes:

Come on, Mike. Strings? Plenty of new ones? How many cases of strings do
you need to have "plenty of new ones"? Having two sets when you only use
one is plenty of new ones.

True, but if you play five nights a week, have corrosive hands, and
like to start off a night with a fresh set of strings, not having to
buy two dozen sets a month can be a good thing.

I always put new strings on at the start of a gig. Even at that I nearly always
break a high E during the second set. I carry around at least 5 sets of strings
at all times. I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

Hey, Jimmy, btw, just wanted to let you know that Lyle Lovett is on A&E on
Live by Request right now (10:45 PM on Monday the 15th) and guess what his
piano player is playing? You guessed it. A Baldwin. And it's got plenty
of scratches to prove that it's the touring piano, not the hire piano.

Just thought you'd like to know! g

Interestingly enough it's in a closed top configuration and I have no clue
how he has it mic'd. And just as sure as I bring up a 1965 Beetle, you'll
be seeing those now, and you'll be seeing Baldwins on shows. And this one
sounds particularly good with the top down. I'd like to get a couple of
441s or KM84s inside of it with the top at full stick, but with a band this
large, maybe it's better I didn't! g


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"Jimmy Lee" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I meant Roger. My screwup. Thanks.

"John" wrote in message
...
I think John has an axe to grind against Yamaha for some reason. And I
respect that.


From: "Jimmy Lee"

Are you sure you mean me and not Roger? I was the one acting as a
proponent od
Yamaha.


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

You need to quit acting like you're killing your ex-girlfriend! g

****, I bend strings all day and night,
act like a fool and feel alright,
and still I don't break no strings without a lightning strike,
so what you mean momma that I can't get it right?

I got the can't break no strings, can't break no strings guitar blues
I got the can't break no strings, but it don't mean that I lose

Ridin' out there on the string's total edge
Got no worries 'cause I can't lose my pledge
my pledge to make music all day and night long
and how can I do that when I ain't got no strings for my song

I got the can't break no strings, can't break no strings guitar blues
I got the can't break no strings, but it don't mean that I lose

I remember watching Focus doing Hocus Pocus live at Constitution hall in
1974 and the guitar player broke his B string. He simply moved it out of
the way and went on to hit every note without faltering one bit.

I remember watching Danny Gatton take his Tele into the next dimension
without breaking a string, playing slide with a full beer bottle and then
wiping down the instrument and playing through the towel.

Take your pick. If you break strings you better be good. If you're good,
you don't break strings.

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"Garthrr" wrote in message
...
In article znr1071537385k@trad, (Mike Rivers)
writes:

In article
writes:

Come on, Mike. Strings? Plenty of new ones? How many cases of
strings do
you need to have "plenty of new ones"? Having two sets when you only
use
one is plenty of new ones.

True, but if you play five nights a week, have corrosive hands, and
like to start off a night with a fresh set of strings, not having to
buy two dozen sets a month can be a good thing.

I always put new strings on at the start of a gig. Even at that I nearly
always
break a high E during the second set. I carry around at least 5 sets of
strings
at all times. I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break
while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

OK, I didn't state it right. A piano player is someone that's a consumate
artist on a piano, usually griping about the action, the pedals, etc. A guy
playing the piano is just glad he's got the gig. Does that make sense?
BRBR

Yes, but I don't get your point. Certainly, I'm neither.

-R

From: (Garthrr)

I always put new strings on at the start of a gig. Even at that I nearly
always
break a high E during the second set. I carry around at least 5 sets of
strings
at all times. I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.
Garth~

Stop tuning it to F# then. Problem solved. That, or stop using GHS.




-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

Be sure to audition a Kawai MP-9500 if you can find a retailer that carries
one. (The challenge may be finding a local store that carries them.)

The Kawai's keyboard action puts the P-250 and RD-700 to shame, IMHO - if
you're looking for realistic weighted piano acition - and it's in roughly
the same price range. The Kawai's on-board concert grand samples are also
decent enough for recording purposes.

Then ... for recording, I've discovered that using MP-9500 to trigger NI's
Kontakt software sampler w/ the Bardstown Audio Bosendorfer Imperial Grand
sample set works nicely. I've been running Kontakt on a Dell laptop using
the Echo Indigo card (which comes with an ASIO driver) for audio output.
Clean sound (d'oh, never mind the unbalanced 1/8" stereo output jack), low
latency, seems to be quite stable.

-Scott

In article ,
(John) writes:


I always put new strings on at the start of a gig. Even at that I nearly
always
break a high E during the second set. I carry around at least 5 sets of
strings
at all times. I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.
Garth~

Stop tuning it to F# then. Problem solved. That, or stop using GHS.


Its interesting that you mention GHS because thats my brand. What makes you say
that? Do they have a rep for breaking. If so I havent heard about it.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message

OK, I didn't state it right. A piano player is someone that's a
consummate artist on a piano, usually griping about the action, the
pedals, etc. A guy playing the piano is just glad he's got the gig.
Does that make sense?


I think it's a wonderful explanation!

ospam (Leoaw3) wrote in message ...
Hi,

I've googled through the past thoughts around this topic, but in this industry
things a couple of years old are way out of date. ;)

What is the best digital piano for a small recording studio? I'm looking for
1) great sound
2) great keyboard action
3) reasonable price ($10K absolute max)
4) small size to fit in the room


Although I use a soft synth (technically, NI's Kompakt playing the PMI
Bosendorfer 290 sample set), it's only fair to point out that getting
latency underneath 5ms is damn difficult and even at 5ms I have had
the odd glitch. The sound, mind you, is incredibly beautiful - no
loops!. But a lot of good players are going to feel that latency, I
suspect. Also there's the uncertain feeling you get when a portable
keyboard wobbles underneath your fingers and the crap music stands
they generally have ... arrgh!

My master keyboard is a Technics P30 (I think the current model is the
P50). I prefer the action to the Yamahas, which, to me, have a
peculiar sort of 'reluctance' when the keys are gently pressed; they
kind of fight back and then give in, if you know what I mean. You
can't really caress them like the Technics.

Therefore I would be tempted to have two master keyboards with
different feels - a fast PC with a decent sample set (PMI rules,
IMHO), and the keyboards would also have their own built-in sounds.
This would satisfy most people, I would have thought.

The Technics has a fairly decent Steinway sample set built in but the
sheer beauty of the PMI B290 is beguiling and there are other sample
sets (a Steinway and a Yamaha C7) that I do not have but which are
highly regarded by others.

In article writes:

I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.

Well, tthen stop trying to tune it up to G. g

Really, it's unusual to break a new string when you're not abusing it,
but I can understand a certain amount of "abuse" in enthusiastic
playing, but not in bringing a new string up to pitch. I used to break
G strings when I played bluegrass and we only had one microphone (and
not a good one like bands are using today), but now I rarely break
strings. Take a good look at your guitar and see if there's a burr
somewhere that's stressing the string.


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In article writes:

guess what his
piano player is playing? You guessed it. A Baldwin. And it's got plenty
of scratches to prove that it's the touring piano, not the hire piano.

That proves that it's not a rental? Obviously you've never rented
drums or amps from Drums Unlimited. g

There used to be a rock band around here, maybe 15 years ago, that
carried their own grand piano. It was a smallish one, they removed the
legs, carried it in a van, and set it up on milk crates. I don't
remember the band's name, but they knew that an electronic piano would
have been a lot easier, but they had the small grand and they didn't
have an electronic piano. At the time, you needed to go with a large
Kurzweil at over $5,000 in order to get anything that sounded like a
piano. Times have changed.

Interestingly enough it's in a closed top configuration and I have no clue
how he has it mic'd.

I saw several groups and stages in the '80's where the piano was miked
with a couple of tie-tack mics inside the closed lid. It sounded OK
over about 1/3 of the piano, but that was OK for the application.


--
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what guitar are you playing? I have a Start with the American Standard
bridge. I would break 1 - 3 strings a night until I replaced the metal
bridge saddles with graphite ones. Now I almost never break a string
at all.

(Garthrr) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(John) writes:


I always put new strings on at the start of a gig. Even at that I nearly
always
break a high E during the second set. I carry around at least 5 sets of
strings
at all times. I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.
Garth~

Stop tuning it to F# then. Problem solved. That, or stop using GHS.


Its interesting that you mention GHS because thats my brand. What makes you say
that? Do they have a rep for breaking. If so I havent heard about it.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

In article ,
(Yuri T.) wrote:

what guitar are you playing? I have a Start with the American Standard
bridge. I would break 1 - 3 strings a night until I replaced the metal
bridge saddles with graphite ones. Now I almost never break a string
at all.


Is that the one that loads strings from the top instead of through the body? I
play an '84 American Standard and found that filing and polishing the metal
saddle blocks cut way down on the breakage.

-Jay
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"Yuri T." wrote:

what guitar are you playing? I have a Start with the American Standard
bridge. I would break 1 - 3 strings a night until I replaced the metal
bridge saddles with graphite ones. Now I almost never break a string
at all.


I have a MIJ mid '90s Strat that would break strings regular until
I polished the bridge saddles with very fine sandpaper and steel
wool. Just providing this as an alternate to the graphite saddles
( which would be cool, but not for everybody ).

(Garthrr) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(John) writes:


I always put new strings on at the start of a gig. Even at that I nearly
always
break a high E during the second set. I carry around at least 5 sets of
strings
at all times. I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.
Garth~

Stop tuning it to F# then. Problem solved. That, or stop using GHS.


Its interesting that you mention GHS because thats my brand. What makes you say
that? Do they have a rep for breaking. If so I havent heard about it.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney


--
Les Cargill

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In article ,
(John) writes:


I always put new strings on at the start of a gig. Even at that I nearly
always
break a high E during the second set. I carry around at least 5 sets of
strings
at all times. I have put on a brand new E string only to have it break
while
I'm tuning it to pitch for the first time.
Garth~

Stop tuning it to F# then. Problem solved. That, or stop using GHS.


Its interesting that you mention GHS because thats my brand. What makes you
say
that? Do they have a rep for breaking. If so I havent heard about it.

Garth~


It was just a hunch. GHS is my single least favorite brand of string. If you
can keep them in tune, nothing beats Elixer, and keeping them in tune is only a
problem when they are first put on. I have a little more trouble with tuning
on those strings at first than standard strings. Maybe it has to do with the
coating? I prefer the original polyweb to the newer nanoweb version. Elixer's
cost more, but they last at least twice as long before they go dead than other
brands, and the string noise is lessened on them due to the coating. I've used
GHS several times when I need a one off replacement string to get me through,
but I can't bear the sound or feel of them. I used to use them more back when
I was a poor college student. I actually bought complete sets of them. Mainly
because it was the cheapest at the time. If I had to pick a second place
string, for acoustic, it would probably be Martin custom light SP's.

What Roger Norman is to Kurzweil, I am to Elixer.




-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

John wrote:


What Roger Norman is to Kurzweil, I am to Elixer.


I use nothing but Fender Super Bullets on my electrics. They last, stay
in tune, and I hardly ever break one. And they sound the best to me.
009's on my regular electrics, 010's on my Silvertone hollow body.

I use nothing but Fender Super Bullets on my electrics. They last, stay
in tune, and I hardly ever break one. And they sound the best to me.
009's on my regular electrics, 010's on my Silvertone hollow body.

I used Fender Super Bullets 010-046 on my guitars when playing 6 nights a
week thru Asia in 1997.

I think I broke about 6 strings in a YEAR.

Sounded great too.

As with everything, YMMV.


Geoff

In article ,
(John) writes:

It was just a hunch. GHS is my single least favorite brand of string. If
you
can keep them in tune, nothing beats Elixer

Are you talking about acoustic gtr? Does Elixer make stings for electrics?
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

In article znr1071578903k@trad, (Mike Rivers) writes:

Really, it's unusual to break a new string when you're not abusing it,
but I can understand a certain amount of "abuse" in enthusiastic
playing, but not in bringing a new string up to pitch. I used to break
G strings when I played bluegrass and we only had one microphone (and
not a good one like bands are using today), but now I rarely break
strings. Take a good look at your guitar and see if there's a burr
somewhere that's stressing the string.

Well, I buy the high E .010s in bulk, sometimes 100 at a time and so they can
oxidize over time and get brittle. You have to realize that I have put
literally thousands of strings on my guitars over the past 38 years so a bad
one here and there is not out of the question.
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

In article ,
(Yuri T.) writes:

what guitar are you playing? I have a Start with the American Standard
bridge. I would break 1 - 3 strings a night until I replaced the metal
bridge saddles with graphite ones. Now I almost never break a string
at all.

'84 Strat Standard with bridge which does not thread the strings through the
body.
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney