"Dave Martin" wrote in message ...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
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"Mike Janas" wrote in message ...

In my experience many piano tuners around here have been forced to
change their "stretching" to accomodate the ****ty little $80 guitar
tuners that the other musicians bring...

With all due respect, you were in Nashville and people didn't tune to
the piano?

As a general rule, David, the players use their own tuners (unless there's a
problem that becomes audible the first time we run the track). I can think
of maybe twice in the last 14 years where I changed my tuning to accommodate
the piano (which was out of tune with itself) because of inequities between
the bass and the low end of the piano. I usually use a ****ty rack mounted
$200 tuner, though. rather than a ****ty $80 tuner...

Shoulda' told that piano player to lighten up on the left hand. ;-)

While I don't Autotune fiddles and such here, I know that it's done by some
producers in town; I can see where it would be a problem.

I'm just surprised (somewhat) that the autotune thing has been taken *so* far
over the edge. You know pretty well, that from where I sit with my Indy western
swingers and jazz guys, that the piano is everything and everyone quite
naturally tunes to the piano - - with the possible exception of the acoustic
guitar guys on the first pass.

having the piano 98% right and ready is probably one reason I'm for covering
the cost of regular piano tunings (yet I can certainly see from this thread
that I am a long way from being overly retentive about things!).

I've watched fiddle parts that seemed perfectly natural with fine intonation
be autotuned into what sounded to me like a large bee hive. Visually (yuk), I
could see that things didn't *exactly* jive with the way the software perceived
things to be, but the untouched initial chords sounded very rich and in tune to
my ears, while the autotuned results when combined again were almost
painful and sat pretty abrasively in the mix (MHO). Sure... Antares would
say they were "in tune", but it just didn't *sound* right.


.... And to you, Bob or Mike,

Is anyone even _trying_ to draw a line in the sand, or is this auto-tune thing
merely serving as a 'technical' time-sucker to properly consume budgets?

I can see fixing a bad note here or there that wasn't caught before Elvis had
left the building, but is auto-tune really becoming a matter of slathering it
on in layer after layer on part after part and then fighting the mathematics
as part of the mix?

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David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s.com
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

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Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com