Most folks who can afford not to fly coach do not fly coach. When people
start judging "integrity" on the basis of chosen transportation options
we are definitely down the ******** with the national brain cell cache.

When people start making political alignments based on the rantings of
some female airhead pop-star.. the ******** is closer than you may think.

I hear you, but I've noticed that generally people just parrot whomever
seems to agree with their basic philosophy. I guess that's the irony of it,
these celebrity amateur politicians are really just preaching to the choir.
I don't think folks are going to believe any different before or after a
statement like hers. I guess that's why really classy celebs keep their
mouths shut.

While the prez and crew do exactly that attempting to discredit someone
who was telling the truth about WMD's.

That's nothing, they overthrew a guy who lied about them. :-)

"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message...

I guess that's why really classy celebs keep their
mouths shut.


Define "class". ;-)

David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message...

I guess that's why really classy celebs keep their
mouths shut.

Define "class". ;-)

It's what you get put into by the airline depending on whether you have
got hundreds of credit cards from their frequent flyer program or not.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
newsTLdg.722$As2.262@trnddc02...

"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message...

I guess that's why really classy celebs keep their
mouths shut.


Define "class". ;-)

Paul McCartney?

"nappy" wrote in message...

You mean the CIA that was neutered by the liberal Congress and
has had its tail between its legs ever since?

What a cop-out. Clinton did this, Clinton did that... who gives
a flying freak-show? The point is massive failures in and of
the CURRENT administration, and they have nothing to do
with Clinton (excepting the fact that they completely destroyed
the powerful economy that he left behind).

In case you haven't figured it out yet... nobody really ****s with
the CIA because no one can legitimately lay claim to (or even
identify) all of their funding sources. All we see is the surface.

David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote:
"nappy" wrote in message...

You mean the CIA that was neutered by the liberal Congress and
has had its tail between its legs ever since?

What a cop-out. Clinton did this, Clinton did that... who gives
a flying freak-show? The point is massive failures in and of
the CURRENT administration, and they have nothing to do
with Clinton (excepting the fact that they completely destroyed
the powerful economy that he left behind).

In actuality, the "neutering" of the CIA was more its own fault than the
fault of any administration either current or previous. And I think the
CIA fell into the same trap that too many recording engineers fall into...
they got obsessed with glamourous new technology and forgot much of the
point of the job they were doing.

In case you haven't figured it out yet... nobody really ****s with
the CIA because no one can legitimately lay claim to (or even
identify) all of their funding sources. All we see is the surface.

This is true, but I think it's necessary. It's hard to balance the notion
of open government with covert activity. But you'll note that I at least
tried to make this a little audio-related.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"nappy" wrote in message
. ..

"hank alrich" wrote in message
. ..
Todd Bradley wrote:

Tommy B wrote:
I thought the most inflamatory remark in the article was,
"I'm not ready to fly coach"

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. I guess we now know where the Dixie
Chicks lie on the spectrum of artistic integrity vs. fame and fortune.

Most folks who can afford not to fly coach do not fly coach. When people
start judging "integrity" on the basis of chosen transportation options
we are definitely down the ******** with the national brain cell cache.

When people start making political alignments based on the rantings of
some female airhead pop-star.. the ******** is closer than you may think.

I suspect your head contains more 'air' than hers does.

"nappy" wrote in message
. com...

wrote in message
ups.com...

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
wrote in message...

This is America and she's entitled to her opinion.


However, if the cabal isn't stopped, that may not be true for much
longer.

They're fixing to start throwing journalists in jail for
whistleblowing, next you'll be getting a knock on the door by the men
in black if you post unfavorable messages. After all, it's a matter of
national security that everyone thinks the "right" way.


no // not for whistleblowing but for compromising nation security by
aquiring and printing secure , classified information. Big difference. .
sheesh


You're a troll, right? You can't honestly be this stupid...

"Roger Christie charter.net" rochrist@REMOVETOEMAIL wrote in message ...
"nappy" wrote in message
. com...

wrote in message
ups.com...

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
wrote in message...

This is America and she's entitled to her opinion.


However, if the cabal isn't stopped, that may not be true for much
longer.

They're fixing to start throwing journalists in jail for
whistleblowing, next you'll be getting a knock on the door by the men
in black if you post unfavorable messages. After all, it's a matter of
national security that everyone thinks the "right" way.


no // not for whistleblowing but for compromising nation security by
aquiring and printing secure , classified information. Big difference. .
sheesh

You're a troll, right? You can't honestly be this stupid...

Sometimes he makes sense.... other times, grasping at straws.

"Roger Christie charter.net" rochrist@REMOVETOEMAIL wrote in message
...
"nappy" wrote in message
. com...

wrote in message
ups.com...

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
wrote in message...

This is America and she's entitled to her opinion.


However, if the cabal isn't stopped, that may not be true for much
longer.

They're fixing to start throwing journalists in jail for
whistleblowing, next you'll be getting a knock on the door by the men
in black if you post unfavorable messages. After all, it's a matter of
national security that everyone thinks the "right" way.


no // not for whistleblowing but for compromising nation security by
aquiring and printing secure , classified information. Big difference. .
sheesh


You're a troll, right? You can't honestly be this stupid...

Wake up man.. Are you that stupid as to not understand the problem with
disseminating national security secrets, whether or NOT you think you are
whistleblowing, especially in a time when we have people on the line
somewhere?

OR are you one of those mindless numbnuts who thinks there should be no
secrets and everyone, including our enemies, should know everything all the
time? The is a reason it is called 'classified' information. There is a
path to aquiring information, it is called the Freedom of Information Act
and if you wish you can try to aquire confidentiall information that way.
Leaking it to some dumb **** journalist to be printed in the NYT is and
always should be a felony.

Troll this .

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
news:0B%dg.1015$ho6.610@trnddc07...

"Roger Christie charter.net" rochrist@REMOVETOEMAIL wrote in message
...
"nappy" wrote in message
. com...

wrote in message
ups.com...

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
wrote in message...

This is America and she's entitled to her opinion.


However, if the cabal isn't stopped, that may not be true for much
longer.

They're fixing to start throwing journalists in jail for
whistleblowing, next you'll be getting a knock on the door by the men
in black if you post unfavorable messages. After all, it's a matter of
national security that everyone thinks the "right" way.


no // not for whistleblowing but for compromising nation security by
aquiring and printing secure , classified information. Big difference.
.
sheesh

You're a troll, right? You can't honestly be this stupid...

Sometimes he makes sense.... other times, grasping at straws.


Other times correcting your spelling like 'Karl Rove ' and Radio Habana..
Those straws?

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote:
"nappy" wrote in message...

You mean the CIA that was neutered by the liberal Congress and
has had its tail between its legs ever since?

What a cop-out. Clinton did this, Clinton did that... who gives
a flying freak-show? The point is massive failures in and of
the CURRENT administration, and they have nothing to do
with Clinton (excepting the fact that they completely destroyed
the powerful economy that he left behind).

I didn't mention Clinton with respect to the CIA. Yes.. it was Democrats ,
like Torricelli.. on his way to jail now, who neutered the CIA.Not the CIA.

nappy wrote:
"Roger Christie charter.net" rochrist@REMOVETOEMAIL wrote in message
...
"nappy" wrote in message
. com...
wrote in message
ups.com...
David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
wrote in message...

This is America and she's entitled to her opinion.

However, if the cabal isn't stopped, that may not be true for much
longer.
They're fixing to start throwing journalists in jail for
whistleblowing, next you'll be getting a knock on the door by the men
in black if you post unfavorable messages. After all, it's a matter of
national security that everyone thinks the "right" way.

no // not for whistleblowing but for compromising nation security by
aquiring and printing secure , classified information. Big difference. .
sheesh

You're a troll, right? You can't honestly be this stupid...

Wake up man.. Are you that stupid as to not understand the problem with
disseminating national security secrets, whether or NOT you think you are
whistleblowing, especially in a time when we have people on the line
somewhere?

Your hero, GWB has classified more documents than any president in
history. You think that's because there are more secrets? I doubt it.
I'm more inclined to suspect that it's just because he and his
handlers are less interested in openness.

OR are you one of those mindless numbnuts who thinks there should be no
secrets and everyone, including our enemies, should know everything all the
time? The is a reason it is called 'classified' information. There is a
path to aquiring information, it is called the Freedom of Information Act
and if you wish you can try to aquire confidentiall information that way.
Leaking it to some dumb **** journalist to be printed in the NYT is and
always should be a felony.

No, that's your aforementioned Chimp in Chief. He believes in secrets,
all right; but he's perfectly willing to leak them and compromise
national security himself when it fits his political agenda (notice I
said "political").

National security has nothing to do with it.

jak

nappy wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote...
Todd Bradley wrote:

Tommy B wrote:
I thought the most inflamatory remark in the article was,
"I'm not ready to fly coach"

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. I guess we now know where the Dixie
Chicks lie on the spectrum of artistic integrity vs. fame and fortune.

Most folks who can afford not to fly coach do not fly coach. When people
start judging "integrity" on the basis of chosen transportation options
we are definitely down the ******** with the national brain cell cache.

When people start making political alignments based on the rantings of some
female airhead pop-star.. the ******** is closer than you may think.

Like I said, she stands up in public behind her own name and states her
opinion. That's different from some anonymity posting to Usenet thinking
its opinion is smarter than hers.

--
ha

"nappy" wrote in message...

Other times correcting your spelling like 'Karl Rove ' and Radio Habana..

Yup.... that's national security for ya'.... ;-)

"jakdedert" wrote in message
. ..


Your hero, GWB has classified more documents than any president in
history. You think that's because there are more secrets? I doubt it.
I'm more inclined to suspect that it's just because he and his handlers
are less interested in openness.

I would be interested in where you dredged that lonely fact up.. But you're
guessing here.. again . I don't have any heros.





OR are you one of those mindless numbnuts who thinks there should be no
secrets and everyone, including our enemies, should know everything all
the time? The is a reason it is called 'classified' information. There
is a path to aquiring information, it is called the Freedom of
Information Act and if you wish you can try to aquire confidentiall
information that way. Leaking it to some dumb **** journalist to be
printed in the NYT is and always should be a felony.

No, that's your aforementioned Chimp in Chief. He believes in secrets,
all right; but he's perfectly willing to leak them and compromise national
security himself when it fits his political agenda (notice I said
"political").

ok.. and when did he compromise national security?



National security has nothing to do with it.

time for the wake up call.




jak

"Dr. Dolittle" wrote in message
...


nappy wrote:

I didn't mention Clinton with respect to the CIA. Yes.. it was Democrats
, like Torricelli.. on his way to jail now, who neutered the CIA.Not the
CIA.

I dunno, back then the CIA seemed to be doing it's job. And the FBI, and
FEMA, and...

You get the picture.

No I don't get the picture.. you mean doing its job on Iraqi intelligence?
That's pretty lame. Read up on the history of the Congress and the CIA in
the late 80's early 90's under Clinton and then get back to us. YOu will
have to do some work. Also.. look up Jamie Gorelick.. and Bob Torricelli's
commission..

FEMA did just fine with every disaster prior to Katrina.. blaming the entire
messy affair on FEMA , with the governor and mayor being complete idiots, is
foolish.

nappy wrote:

No I don't get the picture.. you mean doing its job on Iraqi intelligence?
That's pretty lame. Read up on the history of the Congress and the CIA in
the late 80's early 90's under Clinton and then get back to us. YOu will
have to do some work. Also.. look up Jamie Gorelick.. and Bob Torricelli's
commission..

Iraq was much better off in the 90's than it is now. And it wasn't
threatening anyone outside its borders.


FEMA did just fine with every disaster prior to Katrina.. blaming the entire
messy affair on FEMA , with the governor and mayor being complete idiots, is
foolish.

What is foolish is continuing to just tote the party line.

Bush gutted FEMA (long before Katrina) and it has become virtually
useless. Everyone (on both sides of the isle) have pretty much confirmed
this. It wasn't the governor and the mayor that stopped FEMA from doing
its job.

"Dr. Dolittle" wrote in message
...


nappy wrote:

No I don't get the picture.. you mean doing its job on Iraqi
intelligence? That's pretty lame. Read up on the history of the Congress
and the CIA in the late 80's early 90's under Clinton and then get back
to us. YOu will have to do some work. Also.. look up Jamie Gorelick.. and
Bob Torricelli's commission..

Iraq was much better off in the 90's than it is now. And it wasn't
threatening anyone outside its borders.


Yeah.. except for that littel incident with Kuwait and .. hmm.. those scuds
into Saudi Arabia and Israel.. bribing others through the oil for food
agreement... and shooting at planes in the no fly zone

Yeah.. the 90's were a great decade for little peaceful Iraq..



FEMA did just fine with every disaster prior to Katrina.. blaming the
entire messy affair on FEMA , with the governor and mayor being complete
idiots, is foolish.

What is foolish is continuing to just tote the party line.

Bush gutted FEMA (long before Katrina) and it has become virtually
useless. Everyone (on both sides of the isle) have pretty much confirmed
this. It wasn't the governor and the mayor that stopped FEMA from doing
its job.

Like I said.. FEMA did very well right up to Katrina with every other major
catastrophe. FEMA is most definately the scapegoat for a lot of other
peoples' idiocy during Katrina.

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On 2006-05-28 said:
FEMA did just fine with every disaster prior to Katrina.. blaming
the entire messy affair on FEMA , with the governor and mayor being
complete idiots, is foolish.

THis libertarian bent individual usually finds your
arguments not holding up very well Nappy, but in this case I
have to say you're right on the money. Was there, was part
of the planning for LSU medical centers, worked the friggin'
disaster.
THat still doesn't let them off the hook however. That was
the sloppiest run mess at that airport I've ever seen. I
still say if I'd been permitted to get to my home in sLidell
instead of forcibly kidnapped to San Antonio I'd still have
my sound reinforcement system, my recording gear and quite a
bit of other stuff.

STill the mayor and the local politicos were the prime
bunglers on that one. THese folks are natives and know what
the hell a hurricane will do, so their plan is to bury their
heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. MEanwhile
I"m asking myself why the morons that designed the hospital
put the generator in the basement.
I had our ducks in a row for communications however, a
couple of 100 amp/hr gel batteries to run the ham stations,
we were good to go.
I could tlel a bunch of stories, and will someday, when the
book is finished. Just another way for this libertarian to
point to big government not working.
HEy the feds gave me two grand and flipped me the bird for
spending a week helping 1150 people stay alive until they
could be evacuated from that hospital.
meanwhile I lose about $50k worth of recording and sound
gear, another $5k worth of ham gear, and my wife's jewelry
collection, worth about another $20k worth of miscelaneous
stuff. Yah yah I know, insurance. Another federal program
for these section eight morons was run by greedy *******s
locally who decided one thing my lady didn't need was her
medical benefits. So instead of paying insurance on all
this gear I'm paying for her insulin and other meds. Thanks
GWB.
IF I lived in AFrica I could have gotten the same meds for
her for half the price or even a deeper discount. YEt I get
to fund the research to make them possible too.

My government just keeps on flippin' me the middle finger it
seems. HEy that's the social contract alright.


MEanwhile your tax bucks went into this mobile emergency
operations command post in a bus with all the portable quick
up masts and radio gear etc. THey could have moved that bus
out of harm's way, brought it in the next day (when they had
to abandon the parish emergency operations center) and had
command and control of the situation. Instead the bus fll
of gear sits in a parking lot glug glug and does nothing.
What a buncha morons.


Richard webb,
Electric Spider Productions
Replace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real
email address.

nappy wrote:

Yeah.. except for that littel incident with Kuwait and .. hmm.. those scuds

All before Clinton if you recall.

Like I said.. FEMA did very well right up to Katrina with every other major
catastrophe. FEMA is most definately the scapegoat for a lot of other
peoples' idiocy during Katrina.



Like you said? Oh, I'm sorry. Then it must be true. .

nappy wrote:
"jakdedert" wrote in message
. ..

Your hero, GWB has classified more documents than any president in
history. You think that's because there are more secrets? I doubt it.
I'm more inclined to suspect that it's just because he and his handlers
are less interested in openness.

I would be interested in where you dredged that lonely fact up.. But you're
guessing here.. again . I don't have any heros.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/03/politics/03secrecy.html?ex=1278043200&en=cf5505f95e78680a&e i=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

"WASHINGTON, July 1 - Driven in part by fears of terrorism, government
secrecy has reached a historic high by several measures, with federal
departments classifying documents at the rate of 125 a minute as they
create new categories of semi-secrets bearing vague labels like
"sensitive security information."

A record 15.6 million documents were classified last year, nearly double
the number in 2001, according to the federal Information Security
Oversight Office. Meanwhile, the declassification process, which made
millions of historical documents available annually in the 1990's, has
slowed to a relative crawl, from a high of 204 million pages in 1997 to
just 28 million pages last year.

The increasing secrecy - and its rising cost to taxpayers, estimated by
the office at $7.2 billion last year - is drawing protests from a
growing array of politicians and activists, including Republican members
of Congress, leaders of the independent commission that studied the
Sept. 11 attacks and even the top federal official who oversees
classification."

OR are you one of those mindless numbnuts who thinks there should be no
secrets and everyone, including our enemies, should know everything all
the time? The is a reason it is called 'classified' information. There
is a path to aquiring information, it is called the Freedom of
Information Act and if you wish you can try to aquire confidentiall
information that way. Leaking it to some dumb **** journalist to be
printed in the NYT is and always should be a felony.

No, that's your aforementioned Chimp in Chief. He believes in secrets,
all right; but he's perfectly willing to leak them and compromise national
security himself when it fits his political agenda (notice I said
"political").

ok.. and when did he compromise national security?

You've heard the name 'Valerie Plame', I presume. The Executive branch
released the name of a CIA operative, engaged in the research of Middle
East WMD programs--to multiple media outlets--in order to defend a
questionable agenda. So far it's pretty undeniably up the chain to the
VP.

I wonder if there's a fix in to insulate the Prez himself. He's proven
himself capable of jettisoning high level friends before. Witness the
number of senior officials who have fallen on their swords in order to
protect this administration.

You need to quit hittin' on that Kool-aid....

jak

Like I said.. FEMA did very well right up to Katrina with every other major
catastrophe. FEMA is most definately the scapegoat for a lot of other
peoples' idiocy during Katrina.

Having been through a couple disasters in the eighties, I can say that the
FEMA folks at the time were almost totally incompetent at getting anything
out into the field. FEMA was basically designed as a civil defense
organization to provide support in the field after a nuclear war, and it
never really made the transition well to the post-cold-war world. It seems
like the FEMA folks in general seem to share a real culture of secrecy,
and that's extremely bad in an emergency response situation. Although,
I can see where it might be a very good thing for FEMA's original mission.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Having been through a couple disasters in the eighties, I can say
that the
FEMA folks at the time were almost totally incompetent at getting
anything
out into the field. FEMA was basically designed as a civil defense
organization to provide support in the field after a nuclear war, and
it
never really made the transition well to the post-cold-war world. It
seems
like the FEMA folks in general seem to share a real culture of secrecy,

and that's extremely bad in an emergency response situation. Although,

I can see where it might be a very good thing for FEMA's original
mission.
--scott

My FEMA experience is quite different. During the El Nino storms of
1999 my control room was flooded. LA County was declared a federal
disaster area, which brought FEMA into the picture. Somebody advised me
to check with FEMA, which promptly sent out an inspector, who
determined that (A) I had in fact suffered damage as a result of storm
flooding, & (B) I could not operate my business until repairs were
made. FEMA had contracted a large number of local building contractors
to do the field work & the guy who inspected my studio was a true pro,
knew exactly what was needed to fix the problem & was truly pleasant to
deal with. I was quickly approved for 2 low interest loans; one to
cover a drainage & sump pump system, & one to cover lost business while
making repairs. The loans allowed me to gut, expand & rebuild the
studio. So, in my case, FEMA did exactly what citizens pay part of
their taxes for. It allowed me to recover my business after a natural
disaster. This was, obviously, pre-Bush era FEMA, & it was an entirely
positive experience, marked by competence, expedience &
professionalism. Sometimes government CAN get it right, though
certainly not under the current administration.

Scott Fraser

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Like I said.. FEMA did very well right up to Katrina with every other
major
catastrophe. FEMA is most definately the scapegoat for a lot of other
peoples' idiocy during Katrina.

Having been through a couple disasters in the eighties, I can say that the
FEMA folks at the time were almost totally incompetent at getting anything
out into the field.

Yes.. there was another FEMA outrage wave that hit before LeWitt was put in
charge..

"Scott Fraser" wrote in message
ups.com...
Having been through a couple disasters in the eighties, I can say
that the
FEMA folks at the time were almost totally incompetent at getting
anything
out into the field. FEMA was basically designed as a civil defense
organization to provide support in the field after a nuclear war, and
it
never really made the transition well to the post-cold-war world. It
seems
like the FEMA folks in general seem to share a real culture of secrecy,

and that's extremely bad in an emergency response situation. Although,

I can see where it might be a very good thing for FEMA's original
mission.
--scott

My FEMA experience is quite different. During the El Nino storms of
1999 my control room was flooded. LA County was declared a federal
disaster area, which brought FEMA into the picture. Somebody advised me
to check with FEMA, which promptly sent out an inspector, who
determined that (A) I had in fact suffered damage as a result of storm
flooding, & (B) I could not operate my business until repairs were
made. FEMA had contracted a large number of local building contractors
to do the field work & the guy who inspected my studio was a true pro,
knew exactly what was needed to fix the problem & was truly pleasant to
deal with. I was quickly approved for 2 low interest loans; one to
cover a drainage & sump pump system, & one to cover lost business while
making repairs. The loans allowed me to gut, expand & rebuild the
studio. So, in my case, FEMA did exactly what citizens pay part of
their taxes for. It allowed me to recover my business after a natural
disaster. This was, obviously, pre-Bush era FEMA, & it was an entirely
positive experience, marked by competence, expedience &
professionalism. Sometimes government CAN get it right, though
certainly not under the current administration.

A good experience for sure. It is worth remembering that FEMA did run well
under Bush.. My brother, who lives in Pensacola Florida has a stash of cash
and a new roof to prove it. It was Katrina that threw them for a loop and
while it was the nastiest in a long long time.. The new position of FEMA
under Homeland Security, (done by the Congress.. not Bush) was a detriment.

Scott Dorsey @ wrote:

FEMA was basically designed as a civil defense
organization to provide support in the field after a nuclear war, and it
never really made the transition well to the post-cold-war world.

"This is an air raid alarm
"This is an air raid alarm
"This is an air raid alarm
"Stick your finger up and run
"This is an air raid alarm"

Woody Guthrie

--
ha

In article ,
says...


A good experience for sure. It is worth remembering that FEMA did run well
under Bush.. My brother, who lives in Pensacola Florida has a stash of cash
and a new roof to prove it. It was Katrina that threw them for a loop and
while it was the nastiest in a long long time.. The new position of FEMA
under Homeland Security, (done by the Congress.. not Bush) was a detriment.


Well we know Florida is Bushland, don't we. The state probably gets all kinds
of perks from the Feds under the current administration. Especially if your
name is Chad.

"Chevdo" wrote in message news:eF2fg.4399$JX1.3643@edtnps82...
In article ,
says...


A good experience for sure. It is worth remembering that FEMA did run well
under Bush.. My brother, who lives in Pensacola Florida has a stash of cash
and a new roof to prove it. It was Katrina that threw them for a loop and
while it was the nastiest in a long long time.. The new position of FEMA
under Homeland Security, (done by the Congress.. not Bush) was a detriment.

Well we know Florida is Bushland, don't we. The state probably gets all kinds
of perks from the Feds under the current administration.

I was afraid to say that. ;-)

Phil Hadaway wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060522/en_music_eo/19088



Is this the career ending you speak of?

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/nationa...cks-album.html

wrote:

Phil Hadaway wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060522/en_music_eo/19088



Is this the career ending you speak of?

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/nationa...cks-album.html

C'mon, man, it's only #1...

--
ha

Thank God they sliced NY's anti-terror budget 40% and increased
Louisville's 41%. I had no idea that all the subway maps they find in
terrorist's bags were of the Louisville subway system. I feel much
safer knowing that someone much wiser than myself is finally keeping
Churchill Downs safe from terrorists.

"nappy" wrote in message...

Read up on the history of the Congress and the CIA in
the late 80's early 90's under Clinton and then get back to us.

Screw your continual references to Clinton... AAMOF, screw Clinton, too.

;-)

The CIA is dying a slow death under THIS administration.

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TruthDig via TruthOut - May 8, 2006
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050906A.shtml

The Best Little Whorehouse in Washington

By Molly Ivins

Austin, Texas - Of course I am above sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. So
serious a servant of the public interest am I, I can fogey with the best: On
my better days, I make David Broder look like Page Six.

I don't care what anyone smoked 20 years ago, I approve of those who boogie
till they puke, and I don't care who anyone in politics is screwing in
private, as long as they're not screwing the public.

On other hand, if you expect me to pass up a scandal involving poker,
hookers and the Watergate building with crooked defense contractors and the
No. 3 guy at the CIA, named Dusty Foggo (Dusty Foggo?! Be still my heart),
you expect too much. Any journalist who claims Hookergate is not a
legitimate scandal is dead-has been for some time and needs to be unplugged.
In addition to sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, Hookergate is rife with
public-interest questions, misfeasance, malfeasance and non-feasance, and
many splendid moral points for the children. Recommended for Sunday school
use, grades seven and above.

But for starters, let us consider the unenviable record of Porter Goss at
the CIA. From the beginning of his tenure, Goss has been criticized for
politicizing the agency. He brought a bunch of political hacks with him for
staff, one of whom turns out to be the poker player called "Nine Fingers."
And in the end, he was probably fired for not having politicized the agency
sufficiently.

What is the point of politicizing an intelligence agency? So the CIA
officials would get a report from some agent in Iraq saying, "Looks bad."
The first thing they'd ask was, "Is this agent a Republican or a Democrat?"

Maybe there really are conservatives who believe everything in Iraq is
hunky-dory and there's a giant media conspiracy to hide the joyous tidings.
But as you may recall, the ever-nimble minds at Donny Rumsfeld's shop have
already tried paying public relations people to invent good news about Iraq
and then plant it in newspapers there-it didn't work. In fact, it was so
stupid it was humiliating. Fortunately, the Pentagon was once again able to
investigate itself and determine it had done nothing illegal.

So now they're turning the CIA over to a general who not only ran the
warrantless wiretap program but still can't figure out that it's
unconstitutional. Why do I get the feeling this is W. and Karl again
flipping the finger at some grown-up they don't like?

Gen. Michael Hayden had mixed reviews as director of the National Security
Agency-he's evidently not a good manager, which makes him a perfect Bushie.
But is he straightforward enough to have admitted that some warrantless
spying has been done for political reasons? None of the usual Washington
insiders seems to have a bead on this. Hayden would theoretically report to
John Negroponte, Bush's supposed intelligence czar. Negroponte is widely
considered worthless. His major achievement so far seems to be
organizational charts and buying furniture.

You know me, no conspiracy theories here, but the Bush administration, which
doesn't seem to be able to run much, set out to retool the CIA after 9/11
and the Iraq war. Problem is, everything that worked at the CIA -that it
warned about 9/11 and said the Iraq war was a bad idea-was on the hit list.
The Bushies wanted to eliminate the people who were right and promote those
who were wrong. This is no way to shape up an intelligence agency, not to
mention the White House spit fit over Joe Wilson's wife.

Next, we need to contemplate sincere, old-fashioned, non-ideological greed,
theft and bribery. In the beginning, there was only Duke Cunningham, the
high-living, fun-loving super-patriot congressman from San Diego. His yacht
was called The Duke-Stir, and he had nice taste in 19th century French
commodes. While we all are happy to see our elected representatives enjoying
themselves in Washington, that's real people's money. Actually, the yacht
and commode were paid for by defense contractor Brent Wilkes (keep an eye on
that player). It was people's money that paid for the defense contracts
Wilkes allegedly bribed public officials into landing for his clients.

The former inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security, Clark
Kent Ervin-that would be the DHS equivalent of a police department's
internal affairs chief-tried to blow the whistle on shady contracts at DHS
and instead was thrown overboard himself. Folks, we'll never get government
straightened out again if we don't keep the IGs strong and independent.

If the Bush administration continues to fall apart at this clip, I think
we'll be grateful for incompetence as an excuse.

*

"nappy" wrote in message...

At any rate.. got any idea how many people it takes to decide who gets on
the cover of TIme? I think it is about 12? So being on the cover of Time
only means you've impressed that certain group of assholes.

On a side note, more people vote for the best performer on American Idol
than vote for our presidents.... different group of assholes. ;-)

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote:

...snip..

On a side note, more people vote for the best performer on American Idol
than vote for our presidents.... different group of assholes. ;-)

Don't know that that is clearly true. Yes, there are more votes but there
can be hundreds of votes per person. Anyone out there know how many
people voted vs number of votes tabulated? Bet the vote per person rate
is higher that the, ummmm... most iniquitous New Jersey county. ;-)

Hey, maybe we should replace the primarys with the top ten candidates
doing a political performance of some sort and vote off the loser each
week, then run the top two candidates in the general election.

Later...

Ron Capik cynic in training
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"David Morgan \(MAMS\)" wrote in
news:2U9gg.3010$523.2908@trnddc07:

On a side note, more people vote for the best performer on American
Idol than vote for our presidents.... different group of assholes.

Minor correction. More votes were cast for American Idol than *elected*
the president. Add the opponent's votes and the general election was much
larger.

"Carey Carlan" wrote in message ...

"David Morgan \(MAMS\)" wrote in
news:2U9gg.3010$523.2908@trnddc07:

On a side note, more people vote for the best performer on American
Idol than vote for our presidents.... different group of assholes.

Minor correction. More votes were cast for American Idol than *elected*
the president. Add the opponent's votes and the general election was much
larger.


Ahh well... it was useless trivia. ;-)

"nappy" wrote in message . ..

"hank alrich" wrote in message
. ..
Todd Bradley wrote:

Tommy B wrote:
I thought the most inflamatory remark in the article was,
"I'm not ready to fly coach"

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. I guess we now know where the Dixie
Chicks lie on the spectrum of artistic integrity vs. fame and fortune.

Most folks who can afford not to fly coach do not fly coach. When people
start judging "integrity" on the basis of chosen transportation options
we are definitely down the ******** with the national brain cell cache.

When people start making political alignments based on the rantings of
some female airhead pop-star.. the ******** is closer than you may think.

She's entitled to her opinion, of course, and I have no problem with her
integrity. But there's a delusion that the opinions of pop stars and other
celebrities must be important because people will listen when they run their
mouths. In general, celebrities are no more knowledgeable than you or me.

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:UwSdg.2938$lN5.1778@trnddc04...

snip
What a cop-out. Clinton did this, Clinton did that... who gives
a flying freak-show? The point is massive failures in and of
the CURRENT administration, and they have nothing to do
with Clinton (excepting the fact that they completely destroyed
the powerful economy that he left behind).

Politicians always take credit for a good economy, but the truth
is that the forces at work are largely beyond their control, and
there is generally a large time lag before a President's economic
policies can affect the economy (other than consumer sentiment).

There's an old saying that one of the great things about our Land
of Opportunity is that anybody can grow up to be President some
day. Our last two Presidents have certainly proved that saying.