Vingo Optomalicious wrote:

(hank alrich) wrote:

Man, you really know how to help a guy. Must be fun being such a ****ing
genius.

Yes, it is. Now do you have another question for Vingo the Awesome?

Yeah, how big a Caterpillar tractor does it take to pull your head out
of your ass? Don't look it up.

--
ha

Forteinc.com. carries the binaries and don't lose messages like Earthlink,
for example, who lost 10% of the posts when I tested some years ago.

It costs me $3/month for 5 gig. If I pass that, they advance the payment
date. Simple and fair enough.

For email, I use Mailsnare.com for $15/year.

Two good deals.

Richard Kuschel wrote:

Aol has decided not to support Usenet newsgroups any further.

What method would be easiest for me to follow this group in the future.

google seems to be overly complicated.

I am running a Mac on DSL and a PC on dialup.

Irrelevant to the answer. Neither Mac nor PC nor dial-up or adsl or cable
even affect the answer.

You need a 'news provider'. Decent ISPs provide this as a normal or
additional service.

Dumping AOL will tell them that you're ****ed off with their service. No
other action ( such as a complaint ) is as effective as unsubscribing.

There are plenty of ISPs out there who will welcome your business with open
hands.


Graham

Pooh Bear wrote:


There are plenty of ISPs out there who will welcome your business
with open hands.


And they can be far easier to deal with.

play_on wrote:

Shouldn't there be some kind of Peter Principle that applies to
software? ...start with a decent product and continue to overly
complicate it with crap with each revision until it is less
functional.

Word comes to mind ! I consider it to be an anti-productivity tool now. I
usually enter my text using a plain text editor now before transferring it (
if needed ) for dressing up.


Graham

Vingo Optomalicious wrote:

(hank alrich) wrote:

Vingo Optomalicious wrote:

(hank alrich) wrote:

Man, you really know how to help a guy. Must be fun being such a ****ing
genius.

Yes, it is. Now do you have another question for Vingo the Awesome?

Yeah, how big a Caterpillar tractor does it take to pull your head out
of your ass? Don't look it up.

Sonny, if that's the best you can do, suck a shotgun today, your life's
over.

Answer the question, genius. And don't shoot your foot.

--
ha

Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 5 days (Feb 2, 6:46 pm).
Pussy.

Shouldn't there be some kind of Peter Principle that applies to
software? ...start with a decent product and continue to overly
complicate it with crap with each revision until it is less
functional.

Word comes to mind ! I consider it to be an anti-productivity tool now. I
usually enter my text using a plain text editor now before transferring it (
if needed ) for dressing up.


Graham



LOL "Peter Principle of Software"

I've seen this especially on operating systems.

I have yet to see any operating system upgrade that improves the operation of a
computer.

They are all more memory intensive, slower, and more complicated than the
previous versions.

Unfortunately, I find them necessary because the programmers follow the systems
with their planned obsolescence.

What a scam!
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

"scott spelbring" wrote in message
...

google seems to be overly complicated.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro

simple enough.

Simple, but terribly slow and waaay behind.

The Google beta is a bit tricky to use the quoting features and a
lot of clicks to check where follow ups are going to go to as well.
But still much faster and more reliable than AOL has been of late, they
have been like 10 days behind around these parts, even in posting what
you enter into newsgroups from their own servers! So if they are simply
giving up on it, well it hasn't been usefel for a couple of months.

I think if users could keep their email addresses no matter what ISP
you change to (like cell phone users can with their phone numbers now),
AOL would be toast pretty quick.

So what is it, not being content with having scammed NBC and
Microsoft for a few hundred million, is it that now Steve Case now has
to put a final nail in AOL's coffin? There once was a community with
volunteers running boards and everything once on AOL. But then people
used to use 2" tape to record on once upon a time too, didn't they...?

Richard Kuschel wrote:
Shouldn't there be some kind of Peter Principle that applies to
software? ...start with a decent product and continue to overly
complicate it with crap with each revision until it is less
functional.

Word comes to mind ! I consider it to be an anti-productivity tool now. I
usually enter my text using a plain text editor now before transferring it (
if needed ) for dressing up.


Graham




LOL "Peter Principle of Software"

I've seen this especially on operating systems.

I have yet to see any operating system upgrade that improves the operation of a
computer.


The transition from pSOS 1.x to 2.x fixed a serious bug. Other'n
that, it was apparently perfectly transparent.

They are all more memory intensive, slower, and more complicated than the
previous versions.

Unfortunately, I find them necessary because the programmers follow the systems
with their planned obsolescence.


Gad, if it were only planned.

What a scam!

Never upgrade a computer system with any implement smaller than a
forklift.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

--
Les Cargill

So what is it, not being content with having scammed NBC and
Microsoft for a few hundred million, is it that now Steve Case now has
to put a final nail in AOL's coffin? There once was a community with
volunteers running boards and everything once on AOL. But then people
used to use 2" tape to record on once upon a time too, didn't they...?

well case hasn't been there for a while now and a significant portion of those
"volunteers" used to get paid.
scott spelbring | recording + interactive | dragonflyeast.com

On 28 Jan 2005 11:54:39 -0800, "WillStG" wrote:

The Google beta is a bit tricky to use the quoting features and a
lot of clicks to check where follow ups are going to go to as well.
But still much faster and more reliable than AOL has been of late, they
have been like 10 days behind around these parts, even in posting what
you enter into newsgroups from their own servers! So if they are simply
giving up on it, well it hasn't been usefel for a couple of months. snip

"Goo goo groopz" and AOHell have one thing in common...they're both
"usenet for morons." I'll throw a big party the day that AOHell cuts
off Usenet access, and a bigger one with "goo goo" finally throws in
the towel. Both are sources of a good chunk of Usenet's spam and
troll problem of late, and "goo goo" is quickly earning itself a UDP
(Usenet Death Penalty) for its prodigious amounts of trolls and
spammers.

Get a life...get an NNTP account and a GOOD news reader!

I think if users could keep their email addresses no matter what ISP
you change to (like cell phone users can with their phone numbers now),
AOL would be toast pretty quick. snip

AOHell's going to be toast pretty quick, anyway. Now they've cut off
Usenet access, soon they'll dump AIM. They're doing the same "stupid
management tricks" that sunk AT&T in the '90s...instead of entering
the competitive arena with a better service, both fought off
competition by raising rates and cutting services. AOHell has views
Usenet and IRC as "competition" ever since the mIRC client became
widely popular and new, free Winblowz based news readers showed people
just how lame AOHell really is. AOHell has hampered access to IRC
servers for quite some time now, because many finally figured out
(duh!) that you get more for less with an ISP and mIRC, if you're into
chat, and more for less with an ISP and a newsreader...and a HELLUVA
lot more for less when you get both. AOHell's hemorrhaging about 40K
customers a month, and I'll hold to my prediction that Time-Warner
will "spin it off" (corporatespeak for "killing it") within two years.

So what is it, not being content with having scammed NBC and
Microsoft for a few hundred million, is it that now Steve Case now has
to put a final nail in AOL's coffin? There once was a community with
volunteers running boards and everything once on AOL. snip

AOHell was indicted and settled in a consent decree about their lame
"volunteer guides." It was also a dumb system...get some AOHell
addicts who bend over for AOHell ridiculous and unfairly applied "TOS"
and give them free service for what the DoL found to be a full days'
work. Let's see, that figured out to what, about 20¢ an hour?

Steve Case is the penultimate corporate ass hole and scammer. I hope
he just disappears from view. Ditto that for GE's former CEO, Jackoff
Welch.

dB

Les Cargill wrote:

Richard Kuschel wrote:
Shouldn't there be some kind of Peter Principle that applies to
software? ...start with a decent product and continue to overly
complicate it with crap with each revision until it is less
functional.

Word comes to mind ! I consider it to be an anti-productivity tool now. I
usually enter my text using a plain text editor now before transferring it (
if needed ) for dressing up.


Graham




LOL "Peter Principle of Software"

I've seen this especially on operating systems.

I have yet to see any operating system upgrade that improves the operation of a
computer.


The transition from pSOS 1.x to 2.x fixed a serious bug. Other'n
that, it was apparently perfectly transparent.

They are all more memory intensive, slower, and more complicated than the
previous versions.

Unfortunately, I find them necessary because the programmers follow the systems
with their planned obsolescence.


Gad, if it were only planned.

Hey - of course it's planned ! It's planned to empty your wallet from time to
time. ;-)



What a scam!

Never upgrade a computer system with any implement smaller than a
forklift.

And some ppl wonder why I haven't 'upgraded' to XP !

If it ain't bust, don't fix it is a seriously useful motto.

DOS didn't have *any* bugs IIRC. It was downhill all the way from then. I still
recall DOS apps that simply didn't crash. In fact I can't think of any that did !


Graham

Pooh Bear wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:


Richard Kuschel wrote:

Shouldn't there be some kind of Peter Principle that applies to
software? ...start with a decent product and continue to overly
complicate it with crap with each revision until it is less
functional.

Word comes to mind ! I consider it to be an anti-productivity tool now. I
usually enter my text using a plain text editor now before transferring it (
if needed ) for dressing up.


Graham




LOL "Peter Principle of Software"

I've seen this especially on operating systems.

I have yet to see any operating system upgrade that improves the operation of a
computer.


The transition from pSOS 1.x to 2.x fixed a serious bug. Other'n
that, it was apparently perfectly transparent.


They are all more memory intensive, slower, and more complicated than the
previous versions.

Unfortunately, I find them necessary because the programmers follow the systems
with their planned obsolescence.


Gad, if it were only planned.


Hey - of course it's planned ! It's planned to empty your wallet from time to
time. ;-)



If only...

Roughly 10% of all software engineers I've met have
clue one of what "backwards compatibility" means.

Thing is, there are a lotta people for whom it's
apparently fun, or otherwise profitable to
march to the upgrade tune.



What a scam!

Never upgrade a computer system with any implement smaller than a
forklift.


And some ppl wonder why I haven't 'upgraded' to XP !


There's no point. It is a treadmill. Buy another box.
I do, about every five years, after the first serious
upgrade is available - 98SE, or XP SP2....

If it ain't bust, don't fix it is a seriously useful motto.

DOS didn't have *any* bugs IIRC. It was downhill all the way from then. I still
recall DOS apps that simply didn't crash. In fact I can't think of any that did !


But "not crashing" is apparently an anti-value in the
marketplace. I think it gives people something to
complain about...


Graham

--
Les Cargill

Pooh Bear wrote:

DOS didn't have *any* bugs IIRC. It was downhill all the way from then. I still
recall DOS apps that simply didn't crash. In fact I can't think of any that did !

Huh? I remember PC-DOS has a sheer disaster... even before the era of
cheesy interrupt-stealing TSRs, it seemed that everyone and his brother
wanted to bit-bang the hardware directly rather than use the BIOS calls,
resulting in lots of programs that ran on one machine and not on another.
And lots of things that sort of worked but not really. This was code
that was basically thrown together by a hardware guy at Seattle Business
Computing in order to sell their S-100 cards, not a system designed by
anyone who really understood operating systems.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On 2005-01-29 said:
If it ain't bust, don't fix it is a seriously useful motto.
DOS didn't have *any* bugs IIRC. It was downhill all the way from
then. I still recall DOS apps that simply didn't crash. In fact I
can't think of any that did !

I seriously upgraded two cOmpaq 133 megahertz machines by blowing away
wIndblows and installing dos 6.22 on them. One of them is my midi
machine, the other is the machine i use online with a dos offline
reader. Eventually a third one will get linux and a dsl connection
once I can find a cd-rom drive that has drivers available, but moving
is eating all my money right now g.

my dos machines ran a bbs on 24/7 and almost never crashed unless I
screwed something up. My midi sequencer runs flawlessly on the dos
machine which does that one trick pony task. THis one handles my
internet chores and translates doccuments for output to a braille
embosser with no troubles at aall. AS for my wife's windows machine
...

It has to have the gui however for her desktop publishing stuff. I've
finally got it stable running 95 and I won't allow it to have a net
connection.



Richard Webb,
Electric SPider Productions, New Orleans, La.
REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email

--

In article writes:

"Goo goo groopz" and AOHell have one thing in common...they're both
"usenet for morons."

I'd support you on that theory if there weren't so many Usenet morons
using other services. You can take the service provider away from the
morons, but you can't take the morons away from Usenet.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

DeserTBoB wrote:
On 28 Jan 2005 11:54:39 -0800, "WillStG" wrote:


The Google beta is a bit tricky to use the quoting features and a
lot of clicks to check where follow ups are going to go to as well.
But still much faster and more reliable than AOL has been of late, they
have been like 10 days behind around these parts, even in posting what
you enter into newsgroups from their own servers! So if they are simply
giving up on it, well it hasn't been usefel for a couple of months. snip


"Goo goo groopz" and AOHell have one thing in common...they're both
"usenet for morons." I'll throw a big party the day that AOHell cuts
off Usenet access, and a bigger one with "goo goo" finally throws in
the towel.

Don't bank on Google exiting usenet anytime soon.




AOHell's going to be toast pretty quick, anyway. Now they've cut off
Usenet access, soon they'll dump AIM.

IM is big business now--much to my personal dismay. I have trouble understanding why email isn't fast enough for some people.

On 29 Jan 2005 19:25:10 -0500, (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

I'd support you on that theory if there weren't so many Usenet morons
using other services. You can take the service provider away from the
morons, but you can't take the morons away from Usenet. snip

True, trolls have existed as long as there has been Usenet. However,
it seems that "goo goo" and AOHell spawn a disproportionately larger
percentage of new trolls, vis à vis established trolls. "Goo goo" is
only responsible for 0.4% of total Usenet traffic, but seems to have a
new troll for every NG lately. Plus, AOHell and "goo goo" trolls seem
to be dumber than in situ trolls...not that this makes in situ trolls
any easier to live with.

Trolls are trolls, nonetheless!

dB

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:43:16 -0800, Kurt Albershardt
wrote:

Don't bank on Google exiting usenet anytime soon. snip

They certainly won't give up the archives. However, their Usenet
access is horrid, and is a real troll breeding ground.

dB

DeserTBoB wrote:
On 29 Jan 2005 19:25:10 -0500, (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

I'd support you on that theory if there weren't so many Usenet morons
using other services. You can take the service provider away from the
morons, but you can't take the morons away from Usenet.


True, trolls have existed as long as there has been Usenet. However,
it seems that "goo goo" and AOHell spawn a disproportionately larger
percentage of new trolls, vis à vis established trolls. "Goo goo" is
only responsible for 0.4% of total Usenet traffic, but seems to have a
new troll for every NG lately.

Google Groups has become the Hotmail of usenet (trivial anonymity which encourages/facilitates bad behavior.)

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:

DOS didn't have *any* bugs IIRC. It was downhill all the way from then. I still
recall DOS apps that simply didn't crash. In fact I can't think of any that did !

Huh? I remember PC-DOS has a sheer disaster... even before the era of
cheesy interrupt-stealing TSRs, it seemed that everyone and his brother
wanted to bit-bang the hardware directly rather than use the BIOS calls,
resulting in lots of programs that ran on one machine and not on another.
And lots of things that sort of worked but not really. This was code
that was basically thrown together by a hardware guy at Seattle Business
Computing in order to sell their S-100 cards, not a system designed by
anyone who really understood operating systems.

Well.. the early versions of MS/PC DOS were indeed thrown together from qdos. Did that
make the OS buggy though ? And back then you had to consider which out of a vast
variety of incompatible graphics cards ( in particular ) was installed in the target
system.

Versions 3.31, 5 and 6.22 of DOS seem to be best considered. I'm not sure that other
versions had any inherent bugs per se though.

As for device drivers....( the bit banging ) well not much has changed really. Except
that MS now wants to qualify them. Heard plenty of cases of h/w not working properly
under recent editions of Windows if you install cards that don't want to play
together.

Graham

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
Don't bank on Google exiting usenet anytime soon.

If Google enforces Usenet "death sentences" on trolls and the
ISP's/anonymous remailing services that succor them, that could have
some impact, as they seem to be the usenet source of record.

But as for "Desertbob"s comments, who cares about how self
superior one feels about the way they access the usenet? And his
shallow premise is a poor excuse, especially when the worst trolls here
on *this* group are hardly the AOL type.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES

WillStG wrote:


And his shallow premise is a poor excuse, especially when the worst
trolls here on *this* group are hardly the AOL type.


Aren't YOU on AOL?

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:58:59 GMT, wrote:

It has to have the gui however for her desktop publishing stuff. I've
finally got it stable running 95 and I won't allow it to have a net
connection.

I'm all in favour of economy of resources. But you must be doing
something seriously wrong if you can only "finally" get DTP stable
under Windows of just about any flavour :-)

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

WillStG wrote:
Kurt Albershardt wrote:
Don't bank on Google exiting usenet anytime soon.

If Google enforces Usenet "death sentences" on trolls and the
ISP's/anonymous remailing services that succor them, that could have
some impact, as they seem to be the usenet source of record.

But as for "Desertbob"s comments, who cares about how self
superior one feels about the way they access the usenet? And his
shallow premise is a poor excuse, especially when the worst trolls
here
on *this* group are hardly the AOL type.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES


Google don't do that much... here is what they do:


a message sent to rec.audio.pro contained death threats against one
member of the group.

In light of recent events in New Jersey we find this type of thing
very disturbing.

Please help in tracking the culprits in any way possible, this is not
the first time this has happened.

thanks
n marcilio

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On 1 Feb 2005 14:38:26 -0800, wrote:

Google don't do that much... here is what they do:


You mean they don't have a S.W.A.T team poised to leap on any Usenet
nutter who makes threats? Disgusting!

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

Laurence Payne wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:38:26 -0800, wrote:

Google don't do that much... here is what they do:


You mean they don't have a S.W.A.T team poised to leap on any Usenet
nutter who makes threats? Disgusting!

Yeah go figure, You'd think Google would have it's own army by now.