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I have written a free Mac OS X application, called mpThrasher, which makes a corrupt copy of selected mp3 files, degrading their audio quality while keeping them playable and preserving ID3 tags. It seems like ticking downloaders off would only strengthen their resolve. |
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Michael Weischnitt wrote:
If you want to support this cause, use mpThrasher to make degraded copies of your mp3s and share them on your favorite (or least favorite) network(s). You mean "even more degraded" .... geoff |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote:
It's not the right way to fight it. If anything it will aggravate people and make them do it more. Another battle of wits with my unarmed opponent have it your way of course your right Damn well I'm right. All they will do is download 5 or 6 versions, delete the ones that sound like **** and move on. A bit like solving obesity by selling fake Big Macs with turds in them. People who are into downloading mp3s usually have zero appreciation of music quality anyway, so probably wouldn't even notice. geoff |
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George wrote:
In article , Another battle of wits with my unarmed opponent have it your way of course your right if they down load unlistenable crap, that will inspire a massive increase in people downloading after all who wouldn't want to spend thier time and filling up thier hard drives downloading distorted bull**** just think of the envy your friends will have when you proudly let them hear your collection of fuzz and crackle of course your right Romeo, your always right Oh neat, so everyone will have to try 5 or 5 times to get a good copy. So the internet will end up 25% slower because of congestion with even-more-crappy-than-normal mp3s. geoff |
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Danny Taddei wrote:
Romeo Rondeau wrote: It's not the right way to fight it. If anything it will aggravate people and make them do it more. OK but be honest, wouldn't it make you smile to know you ****ed off a guy that is stealing form you :-) Assuming that blowing out his candle would somehow make yours brighter. I don't think he was going to buy your music anyway. He will settling for taping it instead, or record via analogue at some slight inconvenience. geoff |
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Geoff Wood wrote: Danny Taddei wrote: Romeo Rondeau wrote: It's not the right way to fight it. If anything it will aggravate people and make them do it more. OK but be honest, wouldn't it make you smile to know you ****ed off a guy that is stealing form you :-) Assuming that blowing out his candle would somehow make yours brighter. I don't think he was going to buy your music anyway. He will settling for taping it instead, or record via analogue at some slight inconvenience. geoff I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There are songs that I have written that did very well nationally and over seas that are being downloaded left and right. I lose money from mp3's being out there. |
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Geoff Wood wrote: Oh neat, so everyone will have to try 5 or 5 times to get a good copy. So the internet will end up 25% slower because of congestion with even-more-crappy-than-normal mp3s. geoff Geoff, I guess we know what you're about. Should be have our cops just stop chasing armed robbers since so much money goes into the chase that is slows the cops down in other areas? When you write a successful song you will be on our side I guarantee |
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Geoff Wood wrote: A bit like solving obesity by selling fake Big Macs with turds in them. People who are into downloading mp3s usually have zero appreciation of music quality anyway, so probably wouldn't even notice. geoff Dam funny and good idea geoff! I think just one bite of a turdmac would definitely keep me from ever eating McDonnell's again. |
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Danny Taddei wrote:
I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There are songs that I have written that did very well nationally and over seas that are being downloaded left and right. I lose money from mp3's being out there. I am suggesting that a large proportion of the zillions of kids (and older) who will download mp3s are unlikely to be valid purchasers of the music if freebies were unavailable. geoff |
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In article ,
"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote: Danny Taddei wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There are songs that I have written that did very well nationally and over seas that are being downloaded left and right. I lose money from mp3's being out there. I am suggesting that a large proportion of the zillions of kids (and older) who will download mp3s are unlikely to be valid purchasers of the music if freebies were unavailable. geoff and as such they should not have the music just beacuse one is not inclined to pay for something that does not create a right to obtain it without paying George |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in
: I remember the 110 baud modem days :-) Never had the pleasure to have to use one of those. I do still have an old 300baud modem somewhere. And my incredibly heavy (indestructible) 1200bps modem with manual fallback to 600 (manual, you phoned the tech at the other end and said 1200 was too fast for the line, then you counted to three together and pushed the 600bps button). Compuserve anyone? Too expensive here from Sweden. I do remember the brittish videotex BBS "The Gnome" (the first modem equipped computer we had at home only had a videotex terminal program, and it was almost impossible to find the specs for the modem in order to write something else). And especially remember GABBS. A BBS running on a bunch of Appe II computers connected in a hysterical kind of serial network. And of course my own first BBS, Truls, running my own software mini-Truls. :-) Used FidoNet BBSes after that, and got my first own domain (through a FidoNet gateway, can't remember if it was iis.bad.se or wrackers.bad.se...) for Internet mail and UseNet in 88 or something like that. :-) /Jonas |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message
I remember the 110 baud modem days :-) Been there, done that. ASR33, anybody? Gosh I'm old! Compuserve anyone? Been there, done that. |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:54:10 +1200, Geoff Wood -nospam
wrote: Danny Taddei wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There are songs that I have written that did very well nationally and over seas that are being downloaded left and right. I lose money from mp3's being out there. I am suggesting that a large proportion of the zillions of kids (and older) who will download mp3s are unlikely to be valid purchasers of the music if freebies were unavailable. If "the industry" hadn't stopped selling singles . . . My sisters and I grew up on CHEAP singles--mighta cost a quarter?. A buck or two for a single, or for a LEGITIMATE download--even tied to one machine, hey, it's CHEAP, just get another one. Ironically, when my sister's weekly budget became album (and later CD) friendly, they spent less . . . ya know, an album costs SEVEN whole dollars . . . and required thought, whereas a single was just pinball money. They shoulda got folks into the "Download singles for a fee" pattern early . .heck, they could still do it successfully if they offered a better quality product than kids can boost. |
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Geoff Wood wrote: Danny Taddei wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There are songs that I have written that did very well nationally and over seas that are being downloaded left and right. I lose money from mp3's being out there. I am suggesting that a large proportion of the zillions of kids (and older) who will download mp3s are unlikely to be valid purchasers of the music if freebies were unavailable. geoff While I am sure you are right, its the some of the people that would have spent money that and that use to spend money that bothers me the most. |
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On 30 Jun 2004 15:15:34 -0400, (Mike Rivers)
wrote: In article writes: Someone tells me about a great song or artist. I go to Kazaa and have a poke about; more often than I download something. If I don't like it, I delete it. If I like it, I delete it and go and buy the CD. Suppose you couldn't download the file, but you could listen to it with some streaming player. Would you listen in real time and make your decision? That's the on-line equivalent to the "listening booth" of my youth. Downloading is different since you can keep a copy without paying for it. I would - on one condition; that it wasn't from some "official" site that was simultaneously trying to filch my email address and cram my computer full of cookies and spyware. That, it strikes me, is always the problem with these kinds of enterprise. It is one of the reasons why my machine does not have Real Player on it, even though that would open up quite a few interesting looking web sites to me. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:37:11 +0200, "Preben Friis"
wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1088615567k@trad... In article writes: Someone tells me about a great song or artist. I go to Kazaa and have a poke about; more often than I download something. If I don't like it, I delete it. If I like it, I delete it and go and buy the CD. Suppose you couldn't download the file, but you could listen to it with some streaming player. Would you listen in real time and make your decision? I've done that on occation... There are sites that enables "listen before you buy". Amazon.co.uk is an example. Both MS Media-Player and RealPlayer supports "listen only" streams. That's the on-line equivalent to the "listening booth" of my youth. Downloading is different since you can keep a copy without paying for it. On a computer it is possible to save anything you hear ... just set the record source to "what you hear" in most audio recorder programs. The solution to that issue is to only release a minute or so of the song for streaming. Destroying a song won't help much, since at least some of the file-sharing programs can play the song while downloading. If the user detects a destroyed song, he will abort the download and try again. A better solution will be to create gaps or clicks in the middle or end of the song. /Preben Friis It strikes me that every "they can't defeat this" scheme for protecting copyright has a street life of no more than a couple of hours before some smart kid has defeated it. As Oasis put it "You gotta roll with it..." d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message I remember the 110 baud modem days :-) Been there, done that. ASR33, anybody? Gosh I'm old! Compuserve anyone? Been there, done that. I Vagulu remember "50" geoff |
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In article znr1088615567k@trad, (Mike Rivers)
wrote: In article writes: Someone tells me about a great song or artist. I go to Kazaa and have a poke about; more often than I download something. If I don't like it, I delete it. If I like it, I delete it and go and buy the CD. Suppose you couldn't download the file, but you could listen to it with some streaming player. Would you listen in real time and make your decision? That's the on-line equivalent to the "listening booth" of my youth. Downloading is different since you can keep a copy without paying for it. Barnes &Noble has a neat system where you can here every track from any cd in thier store just pass the bar code under a scanner at the listening station and abour 30 seconds of every cut from any cd is avaiable for you to listen to you can even special order cds preview them and decide not to buy them George |
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"Taylor Miller" wrote in message
... ...I recently bought a major label release and my favorite song on the CD now won't play. An examination reveals a little silver speck on the top side of the CD. That's called defective merchandise and you can easily exchange it for a good copy. In fact record labels have replaced ten year old CDs that went bad. Once again, there is no "right" to back up anything but computer applications sold on floppy disks. Entertainment is also not comparable to a business application. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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Michael Weischnitt wrote:
Fellow musicians and songwriters, we must get together and fight for our rights NOW: this robbery has been going on for too long ! I have written a free Mac OS X application, called mpThrasher, which makes a corrupt copy of selected mp3 files, degrading their audio quality while keeping them playable and preserving ID3 tags. The goal is to help fight Internet piracy by injecting massive quantities of corrupt mp3s in all the file sharing networks. If you want to support this cause, use mpThrasher to make degraded copies of your mp3s and share them on your favorite (or least favorite) network(s). Please visit: http://mpthrasher.altervista.org/ Michael Weischnitt It won't work. Lots of P2P groups now use a hashmark that makes your solution obselete. Queso |
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George wrote:
In article , "Romeo Rondeau" wrote: "Danny Taddei" wrote in message news:%T3Ec.5411$z81.2636@fed1read01... George wrote: I think it is a great idea I liked what Madonna did as well George I like it too. It bugs the hell out of me that people have my songs and don't see a penny for their use, especially when that is just about what I would get anyway - about a penny, maybe 4! It's not the right way to fight it. If anything it will aggravate people and make them do it more. Another battle of wits with my unarmed opponent have it your way of course your right if they down load unlistenable crap, that will inspire a massive increase in people downloading after all who wouldn't want to spend thier time and filling up thier hard drives downloading distorted bull**** just think of the envy your friends will have when you proudly let them hear your collection of fuzz and crackle of course your right Romeo, your always right George All it will do is make people put the word "correct" or "non-corrupt" on their files. It will get you banned from many of the P2P groups, and it will have no effect at all on the ones that use a hashmark system. It really is a dumb idea, not because it is morally right or wrong, but because it won't change a thing, not even in the short term. Queso |
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Michael Weischnitt wrote:
"Danny Taddei" wrote i For those with cable or dsl you'll just slow them down a bit but there are many on dial up that would stop downloading if they found more crap then good files It's true that the effect will be less immediate for the ADSL downloaders, but there are a couple of things we should keep in mind: 1. If we get enough people to participate, corrupt files will be exchanged so often that most people - even on fast connections - will think "what the heck, I can get the track for a buck on iTunes (or whatever). The time I'm wasting on p2p is worth more than that." Never gonna happen. WAY more (millions) of people will just get around it and will just delete the bad files. 2. Some people on ADSL download a bunch of stuff, but this means it takes them more time to sort it out. During this time - which could even be relatively long - any corrupt mp3 they've downloaded stays in their download folder, which in most p2p clients is a *shared* folder. Not true with at least three major P2P's that I know about. This means that they'll often end up helping the cause without even knowing! Wrong. You just wish it would work, but it won't. Spread the word, because the more we are, the better it'll work ! If you got a million people to do it, it still wouldn't be enough. You will NEVER get even 10,000 people to do this. Queso Regards, Michael Weischnitt |
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Geoff Wood wrote:
Romeo Rondeau wrote: It's not the right way to fight it. If anything it will aggravate people and make them do it more. Another battle of wits with my unarmed opponent have it your way of course your right Damn well I'm right. All they will do is download 5 or 6 versions, delete the ones that sound like **** and move on. A bit like solving obesity by selling fake Big Macs with turds in them. People who are into downloading mp3s usually have zero appreciation of music quality anyway, so probably wouldn't even notice. This is no more true than people who buy music. A generalisation that bears no weight. Queso geoff |
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Geoff Wood wrote:
George wrote: In article , Another battle of wits with my unarmed opponent have it your way of course your right if they down load unlistenable crap, that will inspire a massive increase in people downloading after all who wouldn't want to spend thier time and filling up thier hard drives downloading distorted bull**** just think of the envy your friends will have when you proudly let them hear your collection of fuzz and crackle of course your right Romeo, your always right Oh neat, so everyone will have to try 5 or 5 times to get a good copy. So the internet will end up 25% slower because of congestion with even-more-crappy-than-normal mp3s. geoff No, more like a tiny fraction of the files will be found to be corrupt, and immediately deleted by the downloaders. Queso |
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Danny Taddei wrote:
Geoff Wood wrote: Oh neat, so everyone will have to try 5 or 5 times to get a good copy. So the internet will end up 25% slower because of congestion with even-more-crappy-than-normal mp3s. geoff Geoff, I guess we know what you're about. Should be have our cops just stop chasing armed robbers since so much money goes into the chase that is slows the cops down in other areas? It isn't cops and robbers, it is an unfeasable method to fight piracy that requires the help of the pirates. It won't work. When you write a successful song you will be on our side I guarantee Your side is the side that is ****ing over artists. The industry is no better than a pirate. Queso |
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George wrote:
In article , "Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote: Danny Taddei wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There are songs that I have written that did very well nationally and over seas that are being downloaded left and right. I lose money from mp3's being out there. I am suggesting that a large proportion of the zillions of kids (and older) who will download mp3s are unlikely to be valid purchasers of the music if freebies were unavailable. geoff and as such they should not have the music just beacuse one is not inclined to pay for something that does not create a right to obtain it without paying Understand the difference between a right and an ability. Queso George |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
... Oh neat, so everyone will have to try 5 or 5 times to get a good copy. So the internet will end up 25% slower because of congestion with even-more-crappy-than-normal mp3s. Kazaa already has a "rating" system that allows you to vote on the quality of the rip and only choose to download ones with high quality ratings so I don't think seeding with junk MP3's will really help. |
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Used FidoNet BBSes after that, and got my first own domain (through a
FidoNet gateway, can't remember if it was iis.bad.se or wrackers.bad.se...) for Internet mail and UseNet in 88 or something like that. :-) I used to hang out on Fidonet back in the day, I had a point set up off of NET130. |
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"El Queso" wrote in message news:2rIEc.24501$Yu.13240@fed1read04... Geoff Wood wrote: Romeo Rondeau wrote: It's not the right way to fight it. If anything it will aggravate people and make them do it more. Another battle of wits with my unarmed opponent have it your way of course your right Damn well I'm right. All they will do is download 5 or 6 versions, delete the ones that sound like **** and move on. A bit like solving obesity by selling fake Big Macs with turds in them. People who are into downloading mp3s usually have zero appreciation of music quality anyway, so probably wouldn't even notice. This is no more true than people who buy music. A generalisation that bears no weight. Well, they DO tolerate the lousy sound of mp3's. Maybe there is some truth to it. :-) My mother was doing it until I told her it was illegal, she didn't even know... she really should watch the news more often. |
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"Danny Taddei" wrote in message news:aeuEc.7298$z81.3698@fed1read01... Geoff Wood wrote: Oh neat, so everyone will have to try 5 or 5 times to get a good copy. So the internet will end up 25% slower because of congestion with even-more-crappy-than-normal mp3s. geoff Geoff, I guess we know what you're about. Should be have our cops just stop chasing armed robbers since so much money goes into the chase that is slows the cops down in other areas? When you write a successful song you will be on our side I guarantee If you want to fight it, then fight it, not just make the music ****tier sp? Ah, if the record labels had just made their own, let people download them, put an advertizing banner on the mp3 file and call it good. It works in radio, couldv'e worked on the internet... |
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and as such they should not have the music just beacuse one is not inclined to pay for something that does not create a right to obtain it without paying George You're absolutely right George, but I think we're talking about how not to fight it. I think most people here would agree with you that they shouldn't have it if they didn't pay for it. |
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wrote in message ... "Romeo Rondeau" wrote: That's a real dumb idea. Easy there, lad -- everybody knows He stole the idea from your mother. Hmm, an asshole with a giganews account, what a shock! :-) What are YOU doing on your summer vacation, kid? |
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If I like it, I delete it and go and buy the CD.
Suppose you couldn't download the file, but you could listen to it with some streaming player. Would you listen in real time and make your decision? That's the on-line equivalent to the "listening booth" of my youth. Downloading is different since you can keep a copy without paying for it. Verry good point, the only problem is that if you can stream it, you can either capture the data or record the outputs of your sound card. Some of the online retailers use this type of an idea. |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:15:52 -0500, "Romeo Rondeau"
wrote: Used FidoNet BBSes after that, and got my first own domain (through a FidoNet gateway, can't remember if it was iis.bad.se or wrackers.bad.se...) for Internet mail and UseNet in 88 or something like that. :-) I used to hang out on Fidonet back in the day, I had a point set up off of NET130. I used Fidonet, that was around 1988-93. I never got one of those fancy offline readers I read about, I just read and ASCII-captured messages from the local BBS's with a terminal program on the Mac (Red Ryder). Is there an archive of any fidonet stuff? |
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El Queso wrote: Your side is the side that is ****ing over artists. The industry is no better than a pirate. Queso BITE ME! If you think I don't have a right to earn a living from my profession you are at the wrong place. |
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Danny Taddei wrote:
El Queso wrote: Your side is the side that is ****ing over artists. The industry is no better than a pirate. Queso BITE ME! If you think I don't have a right to earn a living from my profession you are at the wrong place. I never said that, I just said the industry steals at least as much from the artist as any pirate. **** off if you need to be a bitch about it. Queso |
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El Queso wrote: I never said that, I just said the industry steals at least as much from the artist as any pirate. **** off if you need to be a bitch about it. Queso Me being a bitch? Dam man, you need to read your tone. You can be pretty harsh and insulting and frankly, you had a bit bite me coming! |
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