[Steve King]

"Ed Anson" wrote in message
...
On 6/29/11 2:53 PM, Frank wrote:
P.S. Another one that bothers me is people with camcorders who say
that they're "filming".

If they were using a film-based motion picture camera, then the term
"filming" would be appropriate, but when using a camcorder, they're
"shooting video", not "filming", at least as far as I'm concerned.

So I suppose you would also object to someone saying he is "dialing" a
telephone. Telephones haven't had dials in decades. I wonder what we
should say instead?

I recently read that younger people are referring to the way they input data
on computers and phones as, "Keying". Supposedly it came from really young
kids who have grown up with computers.

Steve King

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:58:06 -0500, "Steve King"
wrote:

"Ed Anson" wrote in message
m...
On 6/29/11 2:53 PM, Frank wrote:
P.S. Another one that bothers me is people with camcorders who say
that they're "filming".

If they were using a film-based motion picture camera, then the term
"filming" would be appropriate, but when using a camcorder, they're
"shooting video", not "filming", at least as far as I'm concerned.

So I suppose you would also object to someone saying he is "dialing" a
telephone. Telephones haven't had dials in decades. I wonder what we
should say instead?

I recently read that younger people are referring to the way they input data
on computers and phones as, "Keying". Supposedly it came from really young
kids who have grown up with computers.

Steve King


And here you use "input" as a verb. Surely it would be better to say
"the way they put data into computers".

d

[William Sommerwerck]

I recently read that younger people are referring to
the way they input data on computers and phones

"Enter" data, not "input" it. Why create a new usage when existing words are
fine?

as "keying". Supposedly it came from really young
kids who have grown up with computers.

"Keying" might just as well have come from typists.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:19:31 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I recently read that younger people are referring to
the way they input data on computers and phones

"Enter" data, not "input" it. Why create a new usage when existing words are
fine?


I have a problem with Enter too. It actually means to go into, not to
put something into. Insert would be more apposite.

d

[William Sommerwerck]

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:19:31 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I recently read that younger people are referring to
the way they input data on computers and phones

"Enter" data, not "input" it. Why create a new usage when
existing words are fine?

I have a problem with Enter too. It actually means to go into,
not to put something into. Insert would be more apposite.

I don't know. If you were asked in 1955 to enter your name and address on a
form, you wouldn't have thought it odd usage.

Insert implies a slot or container.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:30:22 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:19:31 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I recently read that younger people are referring to
the way they input data on computers and phones

"Enter" data, not "input" it. Why create a new usage when
existing words are fine?

I have a problem with Enter too. It actually means to go into,
not to put something into. Insert would be more apposite.

I don't know. If you were asked in 1955 to enter your name and address on a
form, you wouldn't have thought it odd usage.

Insert implies a slot or container.


Forms - don't get me started. There was a time when we used to fill
forms in. Now we are required to fill them out. What on earth is all
that about.

d

[Frank]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:27:04 GMT, in 'rec.audio.pro',
in article Will everyone stop saying tic,
(Don Pearce) wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:19:31 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I recently read that younger people are referring to
the way they input data on computers and phones

"Enter" data, not "input" it. Why create a new usage when existing words are
fine?


I have a problem with Enter too. It actually means to go into, not to
put something into. Insert would be more apposite.

d


I have an "Enter" key (actually, two of them) on my keyboard.

Of course, in the olden days, it was a "Return" key.

--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
[also covers AVCHD (including AVCCAM & NXCAM) and XDCAM EX].

[Ed Anson]

On 6/30/11 5:11 PM, Frank wrote:
I have an "Enter" key (actually, two of them) on my keyboard.

Of course, in the olden days, it was a "Return" key.


I once had a keyboard with both Return and Enter keys. They had
different uses. I kind of miss that Enter key.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Ed Anson wrote:

On 6/30/11 5:11 PM, Frank wrote:
I have an "Enter" key (actually, two of them) on my keyboard.

Of course, in the olden days, it was a "Return" key.

I once had a keyboard with both Return and Enter keys. They had
different uses. I kind of miss that Enter key.

I get it, we have a thread for following up in in case it is raining.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Ben Bradley[_2_]]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:11:22 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:27:04 GMT, in 'rec.audio.pro',
in article Will everyone stop saying tic,
(Don Pearce) wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:19:31 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I recently read that younger people are referring to
the way they input data on computers and phones

"Enter" data, not "input" it. Why create a new usage when existing words are
fine?


I have a problem with Enter too. It actually means to go into, not to
put something into. Insert would be more apposite.

d


I have an "Enter" key (actually, two of them) on my keyboard.

Of course, in the olden days, it was a "Return" key.

Real Men use calculators with an Enter key.

[geoff]

"Ben Bradley" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:11:22 -0400, Frank
Real Men use calculators with an Enter key.

My calculator has no "=" key ...

So beat that !

geoff

[Bill Graham]

Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:58:06 -0500, "Steve King"
wrote:

"Ed Anson" wrote in message
...
On 6/29/11 2:53 PM, Frank wrote:
P.S. Another one that bothers me is people with camcorders who say
that they're "filming".

If they were using a film-based motion picture camera, then the
term "filming" would be appropriate, but when using a camcorder,
they're "shooting video", not "filming", at least as far as I'm
concerned.

So I suppose you would also object to someone saying he is
"dialing" a telephone. Telephones haven't had dials in decades. I
wonder what we should say instead?

I recently read that younger people are referring to the way they
input data on computers and phones as, "Keying". Supposedly it came
from really young kids who have grown up with computers.

Steve King


And here you use "input" as a verb. Surely it would be better to say
"the way they put data into computers".

d

Isn't "keying" what locksmiths do?

[Ron Capik[_3_]]

On 6/30/2011 2:54 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:58:06 -0500, "Steve King"
wrote:

"Ed Anson" wrote in message
...
On 6/29/11 2:53 PM, Frank wrote:
P.S. Another one that bothers me is people with camcorders who say
that they're "filming".

If they were using a film-based motion picture camera, then the
term "filming" would be appropriate, but when using a camcorder,
they're "shooting video", not "filming", at least as far as I'm
concerned.

So I suppose you would also object to someone saying he is
"dialing" a telephone. Telephones haven't had dials in decades. I
wonder what we should say instead?

I recently read that younger people are referring to the way they
input data on computers and phones as, "Keying". Supposedly it came
from really young kids who have grown up with computers.

Steve King


And here you use "input" as a verb. Surely it would be better to say
"the way they put data into computers".

d

Isn't "keying" what locksmiths do?

I thought it had something to do with
vandalism, or Morse code, or green screens,
or...

Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:54:36 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:58:06 -0500, "Steve King"
wrote:

"Ed Anson" wrote in message
...
On 6/29/11 2:53 PM, Frank wrote:
P.S. Another one that bothers me is people with camcorders who say
that they're "filming".

If they were using a film-based motion picture camera, then the
term "filming" would be appropriate, but when using a camcorder,
they're "shooting video", not "filming", at least as far as I'm
concerned.

So I suppose you would also object to someone saying he is
"dialing" a telephone. Telephones haven't had dials in decades. I
wonder what we should say instead?

I recently read that younger people are referring to the way they
input data on computers and phones as, "Keying". Supposedly it came
from really young kids who have grown up with computers.

Steve King


And here you use "input" as a verb. Surely it would be better to say
"the way they put data into computers".

d

Isn't "keying" what locksmiths do?

No it is what yobbos do to car paintwork.

d

[Richard Webb[_3_]]

Don Pearce writes:
So I suppose you would also object to someone saying he is "dialing" a
telephone. Telephones haven't had dials in decades. I wonder what we
should say instead?

FUnny, but the act ot entering numbers into a communications device which uses the phone lines is still "dialing" to me,
and to many.

I recently read that younger people are referring to the way they input data
on computers and phones as, "Keying". Supposedly it came from really young
kids who have grown up with computers.

And here you use "input" as a verb. Surely it would be better to say
"the way they put data into computers".

Maybe, but it's one of many words that can be both noun and
verb, since we're all waxing pedantic here. IF it's a label on your console or patchbay it's a noun.
tHe data the forecasters' modeling software uses to forecast the weather are inputs, also a noun. IF you unhderstand
what he means what difference does it make?

Richard
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[PStamler]

Guys, give it up. Arguing with a Gun Troll is about as productive as
arguing with a Linux Troll, or a Nader Troll, or pounding sand with a
mallet.

Let's get back to the important stuff. Re. "disk" vs. "disc": I've
just been listening to a 78 by the Arthur Smith, "Guitar Boogie"; it's
on the Super Disc label. The record was released in 1946, according to
Wikipedia (the hit came two years later

[Scott Dorsey]

PStamler wrote:
Guys, give it up. Arguing with a Gun Troll is about as productive as
arguing with a Linux Troll, or a Nader Troll, or pounding sand with a
mallet.

The problem is that I actually support ownership of guns. But I don't
see where the original poster has got his delusional notion that the current
crazy airport security has any connection with it.

In fact, taking guns onboard commercial airliners in the US is very easy
and just requires your identifying them in your checked luggage. You
can't take guns in your carry-on, but you can't even take an allen wrench
in your carry on. Now, if they'd only ban cellphones and toys that make
loud beeping noises constantly for hours.

I just find it kind of amusing watching the guy thrashing around trying
to defend his connections between totally irrelevant things, both with
audio and politics. It's as if he lives in some different world than
the rest of us exist in.

Let's get back to the important stuff. Re. "disk" vs. "disc": I've
just been listening to a 78 by the Arthur Smith, "Guitar Boogie"; it's
on the Super Disc label. The record was released in 1946, according to
Wikipedia (the hit came two years later

It's a disque. It's played by a "disqueiere" at the disco club.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

On 2011-07-02 (ScottDorsey) said:
In fact, taking guns onboard commercial airliners in the US is very
easy and just requires your identifying them in your checked
luggage. You can't take guns in your carry-on, but you can't even
take an allen wrench in your carry on. Now, if they'd only ban
cellphones and toys that make loud beeping noises constantly for
hours.

I would agree with that! yEs I support individual gun
ownership, my lady and I own guns, and I will defend my home
with mine. I prefer not to fly just because of the
ludicrous crap involved, not about gun ownership, but about
treating me like a common criminal while the next guy, or
even an employee of the airline or catering might be the
terrorist, all because a plane load of sheeple couldn't
subdue two or three idiots with box cutters.

I just find it kind of amusing watching the guy thrashing around
trying to defend his connections between totally irrelevant things,
both with audio and politics. It's as if he lives in some
different world than the rest of us exist in.

I found him far from amusing a long time ago. I hope if I"m
that pig ignorant at 80 that I become food for a creature
which is more worthy of life. IF I wanted to listen to
political discussions by misguided fools I"d attend a tea
party meeting and listen to electric motor scooter riding
geriatrics crying about dismantling the system from which
they benefit the most. IF I wanted to tune into arguments
over proper word usage I"d hang out with a bunch of pedantic
English teachers. Anybody for discussins audio in this
group these days?




Richard webb,

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"We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the
right questions." -- Edwin Land

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , wrote:
I would agree with that! yEs I support individual gun
ownership, my lady and I own guns, and I will defend my home
with mine. I prefer not to fly just because of the
ludicrous crap involved, not about gun ownership, but about
treating me like a common criminal while the next guy, or
even an employee of the airline or catering might be the
terrorist, all because a plane load of sheeple couldn't
subdue two or three idiots with box cutters.

Precisely. But that's only half of it, really.

When I was a kid, people used to get dressed up to fly somewhere, but now
they dress down for the flight so they don't mess up their good clothes.
That's a good summary of what has happened.

It's not just the TSA destroying the flying experience, it's also the
airlines. It's now cheaper and easier for me to take the train to NYC
from here (a seven hour trip) rather than fly by way of Atlanta with a
three-hour layover (a twelve-hour trip, when the second leg isn't overbooked
or cancelled). They don't charge for checked luggage on the train, and
I can carry my toolkit.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[William Sommerwerck]

Gun ownership and use...

The Bill of Rights DOES NOT grant specific rights to citizens. Rather, it
acknowledges particular rights that the government is obliged to respect.
And one of the Amendments says that the enumeration of certain rights does
not disparage others. If you can think of a particular right -- such as
privacy -- not mentioned in the BoR, the government is obliged to respect
it. The ownership and use of weapons for personal use is one such right.

Americans owned and used firearms long before the Revolution. It is a
"natural" right, as are dozens of others, subject only to "reasonable"
regulation for good reasons.

The weird phrasing is probably the outcome of the British having taken
weapons from Americans so they couldn't fight back. As militia members
usually supplied their own weapons...

Both "sides" in this issue are wrong. I've never seen such a lack of common
sense.

[Bill Graham]

wrote:
On 2011-07-02 (ScottDorsey) said:
In fact, taking guns onboard commercial airliners in the US is very
easy and just requires your identifying them in your checked
luggage. You can't take guns in your carry-on, but you can't even
take an allen wrench in your carry on. Now, if they'd only ban
cellphones and toys that make loud beeping noises constantly for
hours.

I would agree with that! yEs I support individual gun
ownership, my lady and I own guns, and I will defend my home
with mine. I prefer not to fly just because of the
ludicrous crap involved, not about gun ownership, but about
treating me like a common criminal while the next guy, or
even an employee of the airline or catering might be the
terrorist, all because a plane load of sheeple couldn't
subdue two or three idiots with box cutters.

I just find it kind of amusing watching the guy thrashing around
trying to defend his connections between totally irrelevant things,
both with audio and politics. It's as if he lives in some
different world than the rest of us exist in.

I found him far from amusing a long time ago. I hope if I"m
that pig ignorant at 80 that I become food for a creature
which is more worthy of life. IF I wanted to listen to
political discussions by misguided fools I"d attend a tea
party meeting and listen to electric motor scooter riding
geriatrics crying about dismantling the system from which
they benefit the most. IF I wanted to tune into arguments
over proper word usage I"d hang out with a bunch of pedantic
English teachers. Anybody for discussins audio in this
group these days?

A gun in your checked luggage is as useless as a screwdriver in your garage
when you are stuck out on the highway somewhere. You don't have to be, "80"
to know that. (Besides, I am only 75....:^)

[Bill Graham]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
I just find it kind of amusing watching the guy thrashing around
trying
to defend his connections between totally irrelevant things, both with
audio and politics. It's as if he lives in some different world than
the rest of us exist in.

No. Just a different world than YOU live in. Please don';t transfer your
opinions to "everybody". You are welcome to your opinions, and the rest of
us are welcome to ours. but you only get ONE vote, just like the rest of us.

[PStamler]

Guys, give it up. Arguing with a Gun Troll is as pointless as arguing
with a Linux Troll, or a Nader Troll, or pounding sand with a mallet.

Let's get back to the important stuff. I've just been listening to
"Guitar Boogie", recorded by the Rambler Trio featuring Arthur Smith.
It's on the Super-Disc label; it was released in 1946 (he had a major
hit in 1948 with a re-recording of the piece for MGM). So we have a
documented use of "disc" for a recording quite a while before Sony and
Philips trademarked "Compact Disc".

Good record, too, although quite noisy. Somebody really liked it.

Peace,
Paul