[Radium[_2_]]

Hi:

Creative Music Synth -- my favorite *soundcard*-based MIDI synth-- is
the chip-based, hardware, digital FM synth present on the SoundBlaster
16 ISA card. Creative Music Synth usually has and I/O address of 220
-- hence, Creative Music Synth [220]. However, I have seen Creative
Music Synth set at 240 on some PCs. Creative Music Synth does not --
to any extent -- playback samples from memory. It freshly generates
its tones. It is physically built to generates its tones from scratch
without stealing any energy from the PC's main CPU. As such, Creative
Music Synth does not have or need any moving parts -- no discs, no
fans, etc.

Notes on out-of-phase stereo signals in Creative Music Synth:

1. I try playing Creative Music Synth, through my so called 'karaoke
voice canceller' -- which inverts the phase of one stereo channel
[right or left] and then combines it the other channel -- which
results in anything identical in both the left and right channels
being removed. I get a mono of what was different in the left and
right channels. When I play the Creative Music Synth audio through the
voice-canceller, it sounds more treble, sharper, brighter, warmer, and
crisper [qualities that I like] than when I don't use the voice
canceller. The waveforms with sawtooth-wave characteristics are phased
differently in the L and R channels, while those with sine-wave
characteristics are phased identically in the L and R channels.

2. The voice-cancellor remove whats phased similarly in L and R while
preserving what phased differently in the L and R channels. Sawtooth
waves tend to give a much brighter and warmer feel than sine waves do.
If anyone has a valid email address, I can email him/her two WMA audio
files from the MIDI audio of Creative Music Synth. File A is converted
to mono without inverting the phase of either channel. File B is
converted to mono after inverting the phase of the left channel. IOW,
file A is not "voice-cancelled", while file B is. After listening to
them, you certainly will notice the difference I describe.

3. The signals that are phased similarly in L and R are removed, while
signals phased differently are not removed. I am sure -- though I
could be wrong -- that Creative Labs deliberately made these phase
differences in the stereo Creative-Music-Synth. The sounds that are
phased similarly in L and R sound like sine-waves [such as a "whine"
or "hum"] while the tones that are phased differently in L and R sound
like sawtooth waves [such as a "buzz" or "fiz"]. AFAIK, thats just how
the company designed the synth.

Due to the above, my MIDI synth dream would be a mono, 64-bit-
resolution, 2.88-Ghz-sample-rate, 40,000-voice, 4,000-operators-per-
voice, 10,000-channeled**, version of Creative Music Synth based on
the signals that were phased differently in the original Creative
Music Synth. Creative Music Synth is a stereo FM synth who left and
right signals are phased differently, this is why I get a different
sound when I play it through voice-canceller. The signals of Creative
Music Synth that have the same phase for both L and R have a more
cheesy sine-wave quality which I don't care for. The signals in
Creative Music Synth that are phased differently in L and R tend to
resemble a fresher sawtooth-wave quality which I like. That is why I
want my version of Creative Music Synth to be based on the sounds that
were phased differently in the original Creative Music Synth. I want
my version to be monoaural because I want all speakers to give out the
same signal.

**Yamaha's OPL3 has 18 channels


Regards,

Radium

[Radium]

On Mar 5, 4:21 pm, "Bob Myers" wrote:

For just one example - how many of the supposed "64 bits" in
the samples you're talking about would you expect to contain
valid and/or significant information? Why?

64 bit-resolution give 384 dB of dynamic range and
18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible levels of loudness.

x-bit-resolution gives 6x dB of dynamic range.

6(64) = 384

x-bit-resolution gives 2^x levels of loudness.

2^64 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616

[Radium]

On Mar 5, 4:46 pm, "Rick Massey" wrote:

The four thousand operator part gets me.

Why particularly that one?

[Radium]

On Mar 5, 7:02 pm, wrote:

I'd love to see you program a 4,000 operator FM sound with decent
results and make it musically useful, without being random noise.

Why would 4,000-operator FM synth contain anymore random noise than a
6-operator FM synth?

[Radium]

On Mar 6, 6:07 am, (Bob Masta) wrote:

But back to your earlier question about the OPL3 and
phase cancellation: You wonder what is happening in the
OPL3 that causes the results you get when you run it
through a "vocal cancellation" process. But why should
you think this has anything at all to do with the OPL3,
instead of the vocal cancellation circuit? I don't know
anything about the particular device you are using,
but it's common to allow some phase adjustment in
case the vocalist isn't dead-center. You may be
hearing the results of cancelling more low-frequency
sounds than high-frequency due to this.

The sound seems to be almost equally loud and equal-pitched whether I
use the voice-cancellor or not. Its just that the waveshaped are
different.

For example, when I play the polysynth pads and I use the voice-
cancellor I notice a more psychedelic, fresh, rejuvenating tone.
Without the the voice-cancellor, it sounds more like a little kid
whining from not getting what he wants.

Whether I use the voice-cancellor or not, I still think Creative Music
Synth beats all other *Soundcard-based* MIDI synths.

[Radium]

On Mar 6, 5:09 am, "Rick Massey" wrote:

(Hardware intensive, as well as computation
intensive, in a time when you couldn't digitally create things in the chip
realm like we can now)

Which one are you describing above, additive or FM synthesis?

[Radium]

On Mar 6, 9:03 pm, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

What about the old Yamaha cards then. They used the same FM techniques only
better.

I'll first have to listen to them, only then can I compare.

[Pastor Kutchie]

On Mar 6, 1:15 pm, "Rick Massey" wrote:
"HellPopeHuey" wrote in message

...



Um, guys... Radium is a numbnutted troll and is only on here to bait the
crowd with bandwidth-clogging drivel. Stop encouraging him or he'll just
keep staining the carpets.

You know, I don't agree. I have noticed some forward progress with him.
Normally, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly, but Radium seems to actually
want to know things, and the responses it (not sure of gender) makes
indicate that it is really interested in this topic, just highly confused
and not firing on all cylinders. If we can make it see that it's coming off
as a whackjob on this, and get it to actually learn a bit what it's talking
about, which it has already shown some progress in, then there will be a net
sum gain in humanity.

Try this posting for size:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...e078def7a3bd3a

Whatever you do, don't let him inside your head.


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[HellPopeHuey]

Pastor Kutchie wrote:
On Mar 6, 1:15 pm, "Rick Massey" wrote:
"HellPopeHuey" wrote in message
et...

Um, guys... Radium is a numbnutted troll and is only on here to bait the
crowd with bandwidth-clogging drivel. Stop encouraging him or he'll just
keep staining the carpets.

You know, I don't agree. I have noticed some forward progress with him.
Normally, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly, but Radium seems to actually
want to know things, and the responses it (not sure of gender) makes
indicate that it is really interested in this topic, just highly confused
and not firing on all cylinders. If we can make it see that it's coming off
as a whackjob on this, and get it to actually learn a bit what it's talking
about, which it has already shown some progress in, then there will be a net
sum gain in humanity.

Try this posting for size:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...e078def7a3bd3a
Whatever you do, don't let him inside your head.

I REST MY CASE. Gimme Xphraze or gimme death or gimme pie.

--

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because some dark deal he made went sour,
but he's dyslexic and inverted the address numbers,
so the guy he wants to kill is 20 blocks away

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