"All Ears" wrote"

can recommend blind testing beer, nobody can taste any difference within
the same type of beer anyway. Lots of money to save....

So then why not for audio components?

"Nousaine" wrote in message
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"All Ears" wrote"

can recommend blind testing beer, nobody can taste any difference within
the same type of beer anyway. Lots of money to save....

So then why not for audio components?


I do not disagree about the basic idea of blind tests, done under the right
circumstances. It is always good with a reality check.

However, I must also admit that I like choosing things like cables, from how
I think they sound in my system. This is despite the fact that I know that I
probably not will be able to identify these cables in a blind test. But then
again, if changing something like set of speaker cables can change my
perception of the sound from being harsh, bright, laid back, etc. into
something pleasing, then why not do it?

KE

All Ears wrote:

I do not disagree about the basic idea of blind tests, done under the right
circumstances. It is always good with a reality check.

However, I must also admit that I like choosing things like cables, from how
I think they sound in my system. This is despite the fact that I know that I
probably not will be able to identify these cables in a blind test. But then
again, if changing something like set of speaker cables can change my
perception of the sound from being harsh, bright, laid back, etc. into
something pleasing, then why not do it?

No other reason except you are spending money where it makes the least
audible difference. If money is no object (and perhaps even if it is),
do it if that makes you happy.


KE

"chung" wrote in message
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All Ears wrote:

I do not disagree about the basic idea of blind tests, done under the
right
circumstances. It is always good with a reality check.

However, I must also admit that I like choosing things like cables, from
how
I think they sound in my system. This is despite the fact that I know
that I
probably not will be able to identify these cables in a blind test. But
then
again, if changing something like set of speaker cables can change my
perception of the sound from being harsh, bright, laid back, etc. into
something pleasing, then why not do it?

No other reason except you are spending money where it makes the least
audible difference. If money is no object (and perhaps even if it is),
do it if that makes you happy.

Since the rest of the components are among the best money can buy, and I do
feel a difference from the choice of cables, I use the ones I like. Of
course, things must be put into the right perspective. A set of 3000 USD
speaker cables would be a poor investment in a 1000 USD system.

KE



KE

All Ears wrote:
"chung" wrote in message


Since the rest of the components are among the best money can buy, and I do
feel a difference from the choice of cables, I use the ones I like. Of
course, things must be put into the right perspective. A set of 3000 USD
speaker cables would be a poor investment in a 1000 USD system.



In that case, you obviously can, and will, do whatever you want to make
you happy.

However, I have this nagging thought that by buying expensive speaker
cables (assuming you are not buying the Home Depot or Radio Shack
brands), you are endorsing the high-end cable industry, and I can't
think of a less worthy segment of audio to endorse.

"chung" wrote in message
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All Ears wrote:
"chung" wrote in message


Since the rest of the components are among the best money can buy, and I
do
feel a difference from the choice of cables, I use the ones I like. Of
course, things must be put into the right perspective. A set of 3000 USD
speaker cables would be a poor investment in a 1000 USD system.



In that case, you obviously can, and will, do whatever you want to make
you happy.

However, I have this nagging thought that by buying expensive speaker
cables (assuming you are not buying the Home Depot or Radio Shack
brands), you are endorsing the high-end cable industry, and I can't
think of a less worthy segment of audio to endorse.

I admit that I am not using cheap cables, on the other hand, I don't always
think that the most expencive are the best. I know that it is impossible to
prove the difference, and I could most likely not identify these cables in a
DBT. Does this make me a fool? Maybe, but then again, this is a hobby for
me, and I find great joy in combining equipment and listen to the result.
In a really good setup, it is often possible to take out one or two minor
components and replace with "default components" without any serious damage
to the end result.

I do not endorse any part of the industry, that do not, from my point of
view, deserve it.

KE

On 14 Aug 2003 19:09:07 GMT, "All Ears" wrote:

"chung" wrote in message
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All Ears wrote:

If money is no object (and perhaps even if it is),
do it if that makes you happy.

Since the rest of the components are among the best money can buy, and I do
feel a difference from the choice of cables, I use the ones I like. Of
course, things must be put into the right perspective. A set of 3000 USD
speaker cables would be a poor investment in a 1000 USD system.

They're also a darned poor 'investment' in a $30,000 system........

Of course, if phat cables make you feel all warm and phuzzy, why not?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"All Ears" wrote:

Unless you have 'unlimited' resources it surely must have. I'm not ashamed
of
spending $2000 to design and build the world's most accomplished subwoofer

When a guy building some of the best speakers in the world suggests me to
use either brand A or brand B in cables, I think it would be silly at least
not to try these?

So who does this?

In order to build these speakers, his ears must be good and he must know
what he is doing. So if I find that he is right, I'll buy the cables.

If this is all true why doesn't his speaker come with the cables? Is he
purposley allowing some of his customers to have substandard sound with his
speakers.


Why should you be ashamed in spending $2000 on building the world's most
accomplished subwoofer? If you can prove this in a DBT, I'll buy one from
you

KE

You can't "buy" one; you'll have to make it. Want a scheme get a back issue of
the June '99 Sound & Vision. Want to know what "wires" are used? Ask me.

"Nousaine" wrote in message
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"All Ears" wrote:

Unless you have 'unlimited' resources it surely must have. I'm not
ashamed
of
spending $2000 to design and build the world's most accomplished
subwoofer

When a guy building some of the best speakers in the world suggests me to
use either brand A or brand B in cables, I think it would be silly at
least
not to try these?

So who does this?

If you want names and brands, I can mail these to you.


In order to build these speakers, his ears must be good and he must know
what he is doing. So if I find that he is right, I'll buy the cables.

If this is all true why doesn't his speaker come with the cables? Is he
purposley allowing some of his customers to have substandard sound with
his
speakers.

People are free to do what they like and want, however advise is free and
obtional.

Interestingly enough, different cables are recommended for SS and tubed
amplifiers.

What I find interesting here, is that a guy capable of designing fantastic
speakers, would recommend cables if there really is no difference. These
speakers has been refined and improved over many years, going systematically
through all components of the construction. I am sure that most people would
not be able to hear difference from the individual little improvements, but
when it all adds up, it does give a notisable difference.

KE



Why should you be ashamed in spending $2000 on building the world's most
accomplished subwoofer? If you can prove this in a DBT, I'll buy one from
you

KE

You can't "buy" one; you'll have to make it. Want a scheme get a back
issue of
the June '99 Sound & Vision. Want to know what "wires" are used? Ask me.

In article cXB_a.139754$uu5.19479@sccrnsc04,
All Ears wrote:
"Nousaine" wrote in message
. net...
"All Ears" wrote"

can recommend blind testing beer, nobody can taste any difference within
the same type of beer anyway. Lots of money to save....

So then why not for audio components?


I do not disagree about the basic idea of blind tests, done under the right
circumstances. It is always good with a reality check.

However, I must also admit that I like choosing things like cables, from how
I think they sound in my system. This is despite the fact that I know that I
probably not will be able to identify these cables in a blind test. But then
again, if changing something like set of speaker cables can change my
perception of the sound from being harsh, bright, laid back, etc. into
something pleasing, then why not do it?

Absolutely, why not? Certainly I, having been tarred with the
objectivist brush, have no objection whatsoever. You have a
method which works for you.

But it's the elevation of personal preference to physical,
universal fact that the problem begins. It's a very different
thing to say "I like this cable because such-and-such," it's a
very different thing to claim "this cable IS better because of
the elimination of interstrand charge jumping and the
elimination of intercrystalline micro-diode effects." And it's
also a very different kettle of fish to start dragging out
excuses like "your system doesn't have enough resolution" and
such when one's first claims of "clear and obvious differences"
are not born out.

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