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Final sale starts today. Very sad.
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![]() "Jenn" wrote in message ... Final sale starts today. Very sad. The Walmart of record stores dies... I shall not mourn. ScottW |
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"ScottW" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... Final sale starts today. Very sad. The Walmart of record stores dies... I shall not mourn. It used to be great. I'll miss that. Stephen |
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"ScottW" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... Final sale starts today. Very sad. The Walmart of record stores dies... I shall not mourn. ScottW I suspect that at least in CA, those who care the most about the closing will be classical buyers: A. I believe that classical buyers care more about 3D shopping, because of the value of browsing. It seems to be a common story that classical folks find so many treasures by browsing through sections of 3D stores. This is not nearly as fruitful online. B. The Tower Classical Annexes in SF and LA had FAR more stock than does, for example, the Virgin stores. |
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ScottW wrote:
: The Walmart of record stores dies... : I shall not mourn. With the emergence of Borders, Barnes&Noble, Amazon, etc.,.. Tower Records went from seeming like Walmart to seeming downright mom-&-pops. At least they managed to employ some people who knew about music, and kept a broad stock of interesting titles, not just the big ticket items. Is the bookstore going under too? In Sacramento, it's arguably the best in town and actually has people working there who are into books. Maybe their mistake was not including a coffee shop? I'll mourn a little. Scott |
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![]() "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article 1JRVg.2364$fl.315@dukeread08, "ScottW" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... Final sale starts today. Very sad. The Walmart of record stores dies... I shall not mourn. ScottW I suspect that at least in CA, those who care the most about the closing will be classical buyers: A. I believe that classical buyers care more about 3D shopping, because of the value of browsing. It seems to be a common story that classical folks find so many treasures by browsing through sections of 3D stores. This is not nearly as fruitful online. B. The Tower Classical Annexes in SF and LA had FAR more stock than does, for example, the Virgin stores. Obviously their classical selections weren't enough to keep the business model going. I know you like browsing but I don't understand why you wouldn't appreciate the search abilities of on-line catalogs and MP3 samples? What can you get out of looking at the cases that you can't get on-line and faster and in far wider selections? Also, I just wonder how many local independent pop shops who weren't interested in what the record companies wanted promoted or moved were put under by the corp. chains....and what it did to pop music culture over the last couple of decades. AFAIAC, the pop music scene has become less a display of talent and more a display of marketing prowess enabled by the likes of MTV and Chain record stores. ScottW |
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This is really really sad.
I grew up with Tower Records. I bought vinyl records there. What about music land? Are they gone too? |
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![]() wrote: This is really really sad. I grew up with Tower Records. I bought vinyl records there. What about music land? Are they gone too? Musicland swallowed up Sam Goody and operated under that name recently. They're under Chapter 11 now: http://www.forbes.com/2006/01/13/mus...musicland.html |
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![]() Yeccccch! Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only It's baaaack! -- "Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible." A. Krooger, Aug. 2006 |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. Stephen |
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"MiNe 109" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. Meaning exactly what, in this case? |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. Meaning exactly what, in this case? That the closing of Tower could be sad for people who often visited the place in its glory days of deep catalog, imports and frequent sales. The classical rooms and annex stores were virtual oases in the days before online and mail-order. DG/London/Philips for $5.99 could make my day. Stephen |
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![]() Arnii Krooborg, eternally insensate ex-human, whined: Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. Meaning exactly what, in this case? That you are a terrible simulacrum of a human being. -- "Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible." A. Krooger, Aug. 2006 |
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:06:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. What sort of music do you listen to, Arnie? I missed your reply to that question last time. |
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:06:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Well, I find it a little sad because Tower in Nashville had some great in-store performances. I especially enjoyed the pre-show Finn Bros. in-store (which was enjoyed by a couple of hundred people - something that "couldn't be bettered elsewhere" in Nashville). Plus, they had a great selection of music-related reading material and a pretty good vinyl selection. For a "superstore", they had a lot more soul than your typical big box abominations like Best Buy and its ilk. Until the end, they have had a staff of knowledgable clerks and managers and I'm going to miss that. Their clerks looked and talked like real people, not like polo-shirted autonomons who had no idea who Morcheeba is. Having said that, I'm very grateful for our best indie store, Grimey's, where the staff knows more and cares more about music that just about any place in the universe. And their weekly newsletter is a relevation and a virtual font of knowledge and opinion. Stephen can relate to this store, which is a smaller and untidier version of Austin's famous Waterloo Records. I'm constantly amazed by the amount of information that the weekly newletter offers. |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:15:02 GMT, MiNe 109
wrote: In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. It's a little sad (and telling) that you have to explain this to Arnold, who apparently DOESN'T have such feelings. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. The reason that I mourn the passing of Tower is that it means that the ability to browse is lessened. You probably never visited the Tower classical stores in Hollywood and San Francisco. There you would have had the ability to browse through, for example, large sections of choral music. I read all of the standard recording review magazines each month, as well as specialist professional journals such as (for the present example) the Choral Journal published by the American Choral Directors Association. In spite of this, when browsing the section at Tower, I would find interesting things that I hadn't heard of. I have discovered many works and composers in this way. This is just one example. Multiply this by several genres, composers, etc. How does one do this online? |
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"ScottW" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article 1JRVg.2364$fl.315@dukeread08, "ScottW" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com ... Final sale starts today. Very sad. The Walmart of record stores dies... I shall not mourn. ScottW I suspect that at least in CA, those who care the most about the closing will be classical buyers: A. I believe that classical buyers care more about 3D shopping, because of the value of browsing. It seems to be a common story that classical folks find so many treasures by browsing through sections of 3D stores. This is not nearly as fruitful online. B. The Tower Classical Annexes in SF and LA had FAR more stock than does, for example, the Virgin stores. Obviously their classical selections weren't enough to keep the business model going. Obviously. I know you like browsing but I don't understand why you wouldn't appreciate the search abilities of on-line catalogs and MP3 samples? What can you get out of looking at the cases that you can't get on-line and faster and in far wider selections? Allow me to quote myself, in response to a post by Arny: You probably never visited the Tower classical stores in Hollywood and San Francisco. There you would have had the ability to browse through, for example, large sections of choral music. I read all of the standard recording review magazines each month, as well as specialist professional journals such as (for the present example) the Choral Journal published by the American Choral Directors Association. In spite of this, when browsing the section at Tower, I would find interesting things that I hadn't heard of. I have discovered many works and composers in this way. This is just one example. Multiply this by several genres, composers, etc. How does one do this online? Also, I just wonder how many local independent pop shops who weren't interested in what the record companies wanted promoted or moved were put under by the corp. chains....and what it did to pop music culture over the last couple of decades. AFAIAC, the pop music scene has become less a display of talent and more a display of marketing prowess enabled by the likes of MTV and Chain record stores. ScottW I would agree. |
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"Jenn" wrote in
message In article Tt9Wg.2433$fl.1470@dukeread08, "ScottW" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article 1JRVg.2364$fl.315@dukeread08, "ScottW" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com ... Final sale starts today. Very sad. Inevitable, a victim of their own outdated, inefficient, poor-service business model. The Walmart of record stores dies... I shall not mourn. Agreed. I suspect that at least in CA, those who care the most about the closing will be classical buyers: A. I believe that classical buyers care more about 3D shopping, because of the value of browsing. It seems to be a common story that classical folks find so many treasures by browsing through sections of 3D stores. This is not nearly as fruitful online. I've always found online browsing to be far more fruitful than browsing through record bins. B. The Tower Classical Annexes in SF and LA had FAR more stock than does, for example, the Virgin stores. No physical store has the inventory that is available and browsable on the web. Obviously their classical selections weren't enough to keep the business model going. Most consumers found their business model to be other than what they wanted. Obviously. I know you like browsing but I don't understand why you wouldn't appreciate the search abilities of on-line catalogs and MP3 samples? What can you get out of looking at the cases that you can't get on-line and faster and in far wider selections? Touch and feel of the record jackets. It wasn't about the music. Allow me to quote myself, in response to a post by Arny: You probably never visited the Tower classical stores in Hollywood and San Francisco. Ah, its the traditional RAO snob "you can't appreciate it because you aren't as cosmopolitan as I am" approach. There you would have had the ability to browse through, for example, large sections of choral music. What's wrong with browsing through music on the web? I read all of the standard recording review magazines each month, as well as specialist professional journals such as (for the present example) the Choral Journal published by the American Choral Directors Association. More snobbery. In spite of this, when browsing the section at Tower, I would find interesting things that I hadn't heard of. Inability to browse the web noted. I have discovered many works and composers in this way. Name a work and/or composer that is not mentioned on the web. This is just one example. Multiply this by several genres, composers, etc. Inability to effectively browse the web noted. How does one do this online? Start out by learning how to spell google. Also, I just wonder how many local independent pop shops who weren't interested in what the record companies wanted promoted or moved were put under by the corp. chains....and what it did to pop music culture over the last couple of decades. Whatever corporate powers can do, the web has the power to undo. AFAIAC, the pop music scene has become less a display of talent and more a display of marketing prowess enabled by the likes of MTV and Chain record stores. Last time I looked Tower Records was a chain. That makes every Tower store a chain store. I would agree. And thus contradict yourself. Good job! |
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"MiNe 109" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. Meaning exactly what, in this case? That the closing of Tower could be sad for people who often visited the place in its glory days of deep catalog, imports and frequent sales. But they aren't normal humans. The classical rooms and annex stores were virtual oases in the days before online and mail-order. That was then, this is now. DG/London/Philips for $5.99 could make my day. Irrelevant. |
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"paul packer" wrote in message
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:06:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. What sort of music do you listen to, Arnie? I missed your reply to that question last time. I'm tired of repeating myself to you Paul. Answering you again would make me more co-dependent with you than I already am, |
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message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. The reason that I mourn the passing of Tower is that it means that the ability to browse is lessened. Inability to effectively operate a web browser noted. Most normal people found that to be a superior alternative. You probably never visited the Tower classical stores in Hollywood and San Francisco. No, but I did visit several Tower stores in Manhanttan, including Lincoln Center and Villiage. There you would have had the ability to browse through, for example, large sections of choral music. So what? A person can no doubt browse through far more choral music on the web. I read all of the standard recording review magazines each month, as well as specialist professional journals such as (for the present example) the Choral Journal published by the American Choral Directors Association. In spite of this, when browsing the section at Tower, I would find interesting things that I hadn't heard of. You can't do that on the web? I have discovered many works and composers in this way. This is just one example. Multiply this by several genres, composers, etc. Name a work, genre, and/or composer that can't be found on the web. How does one do this online? Start out with a good search engine, and go from there. |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:21:25 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "paul packer" wrote in message On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:06:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. What sort of music do you listen to, Arnie? I missed your reply to that question last time. I'm tired of repeating myself to you Paul. Answering you again would make me more co-dependent with you than I already am, Hmm...this reply suggests you may have taken the advice of many here and consulted a psychologist. Good for you, Arnie. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message y. com Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. Meaning exactly what, in this case? That the closing of Tower could be sad for people who often visited the place in its glory days of deep catalog, imports and frequent sales. But they aren't normal humans. They're a subset of normal humans exhibiting a normal trait. The classical rooms and annex stores were virtual oases in the days before online and mail-order. That was then, this is now. DG/London/Philips for $5.99 could make my day. Irrelevant. It's on-topic. Anyone else learn about classical music label affiliations from Tower sales? Stephen |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: Inability to effectively operate a web browser noted. Most normal people found that to be a superior alternative. The advantages are similar to those of a card catalog. Stephen |
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![]() paul packer said: Hmm...this reply suggests you may have taken the advice of many here and consulted a psychologist. Good for you, Arnie. If he did, the experiment was a complete failure. Next up for Arnii should be Boot Camp for Psychotics. -- "Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible." A. Krooger, Aug. 2006 |
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"MiNe 109" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message y. com Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. Normal humans have feelings about places they used to enjoy visiting. Meaning exactly what, in this case? That the closing of Tower could be sad for people who often visited the place in its glory days of deep catalog, imports and frequent sales. But they aren't normal humans. They're a subset of normal humans exhibiting a normal trait. What, being obsessive? The classical rooms and annex stores were virtual oases in the days before online and mail-order. That was then, this is now. DG/London/Philips for $5.99 could make my day. Irrelevant. It's on-topic. Says you. Anyone else learn about classical music label affiliations from Tower sales? Pathetic. |
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"paul packer" wrote in message
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:21:25 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "paul packer" wrote in message On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:06:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. What sort of music do you listen to, Arnie? I missed your reply to that question last time. I'm tired of repeating myself to you Paul. Answering you again would make me more co-dependent with you than I already am, Hmm...this reply suggests you may have taken the advice of many here and consulted a psychologist. Good for you, Arnie. LOL! |
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In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Inability to effectively operate a web browser noted. Most normal people found that to be a superior alternative. The advantages are similar to those of a card catalog. Can you tell the difference? |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:59:08 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Inability to effectively operate a web browser noted. Most normal people found that to be a superior alternative. The advantages are similar to those of a card catalog. Can you tell the difference? There IS no difference. |
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![]() A. I believe that classical buyers care more about 3D shopping, because of the value of browsing. It seems to be a common story that classical folks find so many treasures by browsing through sections of 3D stores. This is not nearly as fruitful online. I've always found online browsing to be far more fruitful than browsing through record bins. I agree that the physical record store is no longer needed or wanted. I used to buy at my local record store but then they stopped special ordering and they hardly ever had what I wanted. Two cheers for cduniverse and Netflix. |
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![]() RibbitBorg dares to contradict his master, the splendiferously fecal Krooborg. What's wrong with browsing through music on the web? The same thing that is wrong with the presentation of most data on the computer [snip] More snobbery. Perhaps, but she was also perhaps trying to make the point that she does a lot to try and keep abreast of what's newly available in the Choral genre. Add in the following point: Inability to browse the web noted. No, the point is that she is pretty well-acquainted (or should be) with the genre, and still finds things that she hadn't heard. [snip] Whatever corporate powers can do, the web has the power to undo. Not always. Ribbit, you are unabashedly inviting a Bad Krooger Experience. Enjoy!™ Go figure!™ That's LOL!™ -- "Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible." A. Krooger, Aug. 2006 |
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A. I believe that classical buyers care more about 3D shopping, because of the value of browsing. It seems to be a common story that classical folks find so many treasures by browsing through sections of 3D stores. This is not nearly as fruitful online. I've always found online browsing to be far more fruitful than browsing through record bins. I agree that the physical record store is no longer needed or wanted. I used to buy at my local record store but then they stopped special ordering and they hardly ever had what I wanted. Two cheers for cduniverse and Netflix. You forgot the surley sales staff who either didn't care or weren't as all-knowing as they wanted to represent. These are among the point that the others have missed. The record store as we knew it disappeared because normal people found something that they found more suitable for their purposes, which are enjoying music not obsessing over bins. |
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"Stuart Krivis" wrote in message
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:28:24 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. The reason that I mourn the passing of Tower is that it means that the ability to browse is lessened. Inability to effectively operate a web browser noted. Most normal people found that to be a superior alternative. More convenient anyway. They can now sit in their underwear and shop for records. :-) There you would have had the ability to browse through, for example, large sections of choral music. So what? A person can no doubt browse through far more choral music on the web. But is browsing on the web as effective as browsing in a store? Is it the same experience? I have discovered many works and composers in this way. This is just one example. Multiply this by several genres, composers, etc. Name a work, genre, and/or composer that can't be found on the web. That isn't the point. How does one do this online? Start out with a good search engine, and go from there. It can be hard to find something with a search engine when you don't know the item exists in the first place. It's just a matter of playing "sounds like". |
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"Stuart Krivis" wrote in message
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:06:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Final sale starts today. Very sad. Only for people who thought Tower had anything to offer that couldn't be bettered elsewhere. What if this is a case where "better" is a subjective term? :-) For the sentimentalists, this could easily be true. Jenn is obviously sentimental about a certain form of media and its physical trappings. I'm not. If I'm interested in music I want to get to the fun part where one listens to music that one enjoys. Fiddling with media is not the same to me as listening to music. |
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![]() Arny Krueger wrote: The record store as we knew it disappeared because normal people found something that they found more suitable for their purposes, which are enjoying music not obsessing over bins. I ceased using record shops when it became no longer possible to audition an album. Online music does this very effectively though but isn't nearly as well implemented as it should be. Graham |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:24:11 +0100, Eeyore
wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: The record store as we knew it disappeared because normal people found something that they found more suitable for their purposes, which are enjoying music not obsessing over bins. I ceased using record shops when it became no longer possible to audition an album. Online music does this very effectively though but isn't nearly as well implemented as it should be. Graham Once again, it's a shame that you don't have access to a GOOD record store. Of course, it's one of those self-fulfilling prophecy sort of things when services start getting cut. Eventually, it will probably only be the independents that can supply that sort of personal service. Tower did it about as well as any of the giants though. And this is speaking as someone who has hundreds of albums and a few thousand songs (and access to hundreds of thousands of albums) through a paid subscription to Napster; but it still feels like there's something lacking when I can't pick up a "product" and read the liner notes or look at an album cover. |
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