[Eeyore]

Jenn wrote:

In article , wrote:

Jenn wrote:

And I know that buying a CD player is an act of faith for CD bigots.

Eh ?

Graham

They all sound alike, right?

Not in the early days for sure but it's easy to see why that was from a
technical perspective.

The CDP-101 was a true POS IMHO for example.

Graham

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

I heard a bunch of expensive TTs at HE 2005, and you know what - the better
ones sounded amazingly CD-like, given the ancient technology that they flog.

The Rockport definitely sounds CD-like, which is why I don't
particularly like it.

Too lifelike I guess.

Haven't heard anyone say that in about twenty years!

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

I don't have a $25,000 turntable, so the point is moot.

So, whoever brought the subject up then ?

Incidentally I have a Garrard 401 - the power switch needs fixing though- with
Ortofon RMG309 arm. Various cartridges ( mainly Shure and Stanton ) with home-built
pre-amp in the plinth directly below the arm base.

Graham

Here's the Garrard I want:

http://www.toneimports.com/shindo/garrard301.html

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 11:59:27 -0700, wrote:


Stuart Krivis wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:32:19 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
wrote:


All true of course. But in the real world, it's difficult to find, say,
the 4 TTs you want to hear in one store.

And nearly impossible to get them on loan.

And nearly unaffordable if we are talking about four $25,000+ turntables
plus $20,000 worth of cartridges to use with them.


This begs the question of why anyone would want to spend so much money
on a turntable and cartridge.

Which, in turn, begs the question of how many $25,000+ turntables you
have actually heard.

Yes, I can see you pulling out the old "Golden Ears" argument and
warming it up.

Given that a $25,000 turntable will do nothing to fix the basic flaws
that render vinyl no more than a mid-fi media, why would I even bother
listening to such a turntable?

Even if I did, I could hardly judge just a turntable without also
involving many other associated factors, including the listening room.
Since you will not be able to duplicate those other factors (and may
not even know about some of them), how would the results of my
listening test apply to you?

There are more than adequate turntables available for far less than
$25,000. Why spend more?

I certainly didn't.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Stuart Krivis wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:32:19 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
wrote:

All true of course. But in the real world, it's difficult to find, say,
the 4 TTs you want to hear in one store.

And nearly impossible to get them on loan.

And nearly unaffordable if we are talking about four $25,000+ turntables
plus $20,000 worth of cartridges to use with them.


This begs the question of why anyone would want to spend so much money
on a turntable and cartridge.

Which, in turn, begs the question of how many $25,000+ turntables you
have actually heard.

Which begs the question whether your willy is bigger than his surely ?

It's nice to watch you miss the point over and over and over. So, why
the obsession with penis size?

Boon

[Jenn]

In article om,
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

I heard a bunch of expensive TTs at HE 2005, and you know what - the
better
ones sounded amazingly CD-like, given the ancient technology that they
flog.

The Rockport definitely sounds CD-like, which is why I don't
particularly like it.

Too lifelike I guess.

Haven't heard anyone say that in about twenty years!

Boon

I suspect that Arny will say it about his "trumpet" file. lol

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
Stuart Krivis wrote:

On 22 Sep 2006 11:57:16 -0700, wrote:

Just curious: How else does one evaluate multiple TTs? (other than the
source materials should be the same, of course)

Side by side I'd hope.

Graham

No, I mean in the real world.

Exactly. Apparently Arny and Graham believe it is possible to get side
by side demonstrations of the Continuum, the Rockport, and the
Clearaudio. In the real world, you listen as much as possible, you do
as much research as possible, and you make the manufacturers jump
through hoops if you're going to spend that kind of money on their
product.


At those prices, you're not actually buying added performance, so you
might as well make them jump though some hoops.

It's about 'status' not audio. It's a lifestyle choice.


Do they send along a crew of people that continually tell you how wise
your purchase was too?

How about some babes to *convince* you ?

Graham

Since you and Stuart are set on making this a class issue, can I deduce
that you are both poor?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote

As far as the visit is concerned, that would be great, but it depends
on the date. I'm going on an extended road trip for a month or so
starting in mid-October. I'm visiting my parents in Colorado for a few
days, and then I'm off to the Rocky Mountain Audio Festival in Denver
from October 20-22. I'll be helping to man the TONE Audio room. Then,
I'm going to take the WRX on a whirlwind trip through the last five
states in the US I've never seen. And then, it's off to London.

Marc is already planning his retreat.

Actually, I'll be in your neck of the woods again. How about lunch?
I'll buy, since you don't even have enough money to buy a new Rega
Planar 2.

Ahh...... more show-off tactics.

Go on. Show him how big your willy is whilst you're at it !

I've been to Arny's before. He wasn't quite the gracious host you
might expect.

Still, I'm concerned with your obsession over other men's penises.
It's not at all about showing off. It's about the fact that Arny is a
pretty sick individual from a mental standpoint, and I can't stand
watching ignorant fools suckle at his teat.

Boon

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Stuart Krivis wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:05:00 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Well, its a pretty good scam. Price the equipment high enough and make it
hard enough to borrow, that nobody ever does a decent job of comparing it
to
anything else.

The people at Linn raised this to accepted commercial practice with their
"Single presentation" method.

I had heard that Linn did things like speed up their 'tables and add
resonances and peaks that made their equipment stand out in the
showroom.

Because inaccuracy sounds 'better' ? I can well believe it.

No, he's thinking of Rega. Linn's 'single presentation' rule for dealers
eliminated the need to "stand out in the show room."

Stephen

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:

I heard a bunch of expensive TTs at HE 2005, and you know what - the better
ones sounded amazingly CD-like, given the ancient technology that they flog.

The Rockport definitely sounds CD-like, which is why I don't
particularly like it.

Too lifelike I guess.

Haven't heard anyone say that in about twenty years!

I'm sure it's pretty good for what it is.

I'd certainly hope so for the money !

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

I don't have a $25,000 turntable, so the point is moot.

So, whoever brought the subject up then ?

Incidentally I have a Garrard 401 - the power switch needs fixing though- with
Ortofon RMG309 arm. Various cartridges ( mainly Shure and Stanton ) with home-built
pre-amp in the plinth directly below the arm base.

Graham

Here's the Garrard I want:

http://www.toneimports.com/shindo/garrard301.html

That was of course the predecessor of the 401. The 401 was certainly Garrard's finest but
it rumbled a bit and benefitted from a heavy plinth. Concrete was recommended.

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Stuart Krivis wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:32:19 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
wrote:

All true of course. But in the real world, it's difficult to find, say,
the 4 TTs you want to hear in one store.

And nearly impossible to get them on loan.

And nearly unaffordable if we are talking about four $25,000+ turntables
plus $20,000 worth of cartridges to use with them.

This begs the question of why anyone would want to spend so much money
on a turntable and cartridge.

Which, in turn, begs the question of how many $25,000+ turntables you
have actually heard.

Which begs the question whether your willy is bigger than his surely ?

It's nice to watch you miss the point over and over and over. So, why
the obsession with penis size?

It's an analogy - or had you missed it ?

Whats the obsession with the price of you hi-fi ?

The only piece of kit that truly seriously improves with expenditure assuming a
competent designer is the loudspeaker.

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Stuart Krivis wrote:
On 22 Sep 2006 11:57:16 -0700, wrote:

Just curious: How else does one evaluate multiple TTs? (other than the
source materials should be the same, of course)

Side by side I'd hope.

Graham

No, I mean in the real world.

Exactly. Apparently Arny and Graham believe it is possible to get side
by side demonstrations of the Continuum, the Rockport, and the
Clearaudio. In the real world, you listen as much as possible, you do
as much research as possible, and you make the manufacturers jump
through hoops if you're going to spend that kind of money on their
product.


At those prices, you're not actually buying added performance, so you
might as well make them jump though some hoops.

It's about 'status' not audio. It's a lifestyle choice.


Do they send along a crew of people that continually tell you how wise
your purchase was too?

How about some babes to *convince* you ?

Graham

Since you and Stuart are set on making this a class issue, can I deduce
that you are both poor?

Define poor. I certainly have never felt the need to spend money on frivolous trinkets
for sure !

Poor in spirit even ? Or is that you ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote

As far as the visit is concerned, that would be great, but it depends
on the date. I'm going on an extended road trip for a month or so
starting in mid-October. I'm visiting my parents in Colorado for a few
days, and then I'm off to the Rocky Mountain Audio Festival in Denver
from October 20-22. I'll be helping to man the TONE Audio room. Then,
I'm going to take the WRX on a whirlwind trip through the last five
states in the US I've never seen. And then, it's off to London.

Marc is already planning his retreat.

Actually, I'll be in your neck of the woods again. How about lunch?
I'll buy, since you don't even have enough money to buy a new Rega
Planar 2.

Ahh...... more show-off tactics.

Go on. Show him how big your willy is whilst you're at it !

I've been to Arny's before. He wasn't quite the gracious host you
might expect.

Still, I'm concerned with your obsession over other men's penises.

It's an analogy you nitwit ! The idea was simply to make fun of it and reduce it to
the pathetic sillyness that it is.


It's not at all about showing off. It's about the fact that Arny is a
pretty sick individual from a mental standpoint, and I can't stand
watching ignorant fools suckle at his teat.

Hi-fi boasting is all about 'penis-size-compenation' ( in the minds of those owning
the expensive kit ).

Why do you reckon the girls prefer the guys who play in the band ? And their sound
engineers too - wink wink !

Graham

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:05:00 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Well, all this high end stuff is incomparable, anyhow.


That's quite good, Arnie. You nearly made a joke.

No doubt dozens of lurkers laughed at it. Being far smarter than you are
Paul, they made no online comments.

Lurkers? Is that what you call the imaginary voices in your head these
days?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

If you're incapable of joining the meaning of " Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ? " with
" In the sense that you purvey loony opinions it seems. "

I feel sorry for you.

Well, I earn an income from writing. Do you?

In part.

I'm not talking about memos to your boss.


If the sentence in question is indicative of the way you think, the
answer is undoubtedly no.

My technical writing style is more measured. This is *USENET* you know !

No, it's actually inept. It measures, if one can apply this analogy
correctly, like ****.

Boon

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

If you're incapable of joining the meaning of " Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ? "
with " In the sense that you purvey loony opinions it seems. "

I feel sorry for you.

Well, I earn an income from writing. Do you?

In part.

I'm not talking about memos to your boss.

Something more than a memo.

Have you ever had to write a full-blown report ?


If the sentence in question is indicative of the way you think, the
answer is undoubtedly no.

My technical writing style is more measured. This is *USENET* you know !

No, it's actually inept. It measures, if one can apply this analogy
correctly, like ****.

Sorry, your 'argument' doesn't wash.


Graham

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:

I heard a bunch of expensive TTs at HE 2005, and you know what - the better
ones sounded amazingly CD-like, given the ancient technology that they flog.

The Rockport definitely sounds CD-like, which is why I don't
particularly like it.

Too lifelike I guess.

Haven't heard anyone say that in about twenty years!

I'm sure it's pretty good for what it is.

I'd certainly hope so for the money !

http://furious.com/perfect/vinyl54.html

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Stuart Krivis wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:32:19 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
wrote:

All true of course. But in the real world, it's difficult to find, say,
the 4 TTs you want to hear in one store.

And nearly impossible to get them on loan.

And nearly unaffordable if we are talking about four $25,000+ turntables
plus $20,000 worth of cartridges to use with them.

This begs the question of why anyone would want to spend so much money
on a turntable and cartridge.

Which, in turn, begs the question of how many $25,000+ turntables you
have actually heard.

Which begs the question whether your willy is bigger than his surely ?

It's nice to watch you miss the point over and over and over. So, why
the obsession with penis size?

It's an analogy - or had you missed it ?

No, I just think there are more apt analogies you could use, one that
wouldn't define you as a sloppy frat boy who can't help but peek at the
guy standing next to him at a public urinal.


Whats the obsession with the price of you hi-fi ?

Not once have I mentioned the price of my hi-fi. You keep bringing it
up. If you want to know, just ask.


The only piece of kit that truly seriously improves with expenditure assuming a
competent designer is the loudspeaker.

Well, it's Usenet, so I suppose you can say anything you like. But
that does explain why you're not writing for the public and getting
paid for it.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Stuart Krivis wrote:
On 22 Sep 2006 11:57:16 -0700, wrote:

Just curious: How else does one evaluate multiple TTs? (other than the
source materials should be the same, of course)

Side by side I'd hope.

Graham

No, I mean in the real world.

Exactly. Apparently Arny and Graham believe it is possible to get side
by side demonstrations of the Continuum, the Rockport, and the
Clearaudio. In the real world, you listen as much as possible, you do
as much research as possible, and you make the manufacturers jump
through hoops if you're going to spend that kind of money on their
product.


At those prices, you're not actually buying added performance, so you
might as well make them jump though some hoops.

It's about 'status' not audio. It's a lifestyle choice.


Do they send along a crew of people that continually tell you how wise
your purchase was too?

How about some babes to *convince* you ?

Graham

Since you and Stuart are set on making this a class issue, can I deduce
that you are both poor?

Define poor. I certainly have never felt the need to spend money on frivolous trinkets
for sure !

Well, I'm just comparing you to people like Arny and Howard Ferstler,
people who have never been able to afford the finer things in life and
therefore rally against them, saying there are no differences. It's
amazing how the objectivists spend more time railing against the
high-end than listening to their own ****ty audio systems.


Poor in spirit even ? Or is that you ?

What does "poor in spirit" mean? Are you low on Guinness, mate?

Boon

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

The only piece of kit that truly seriously improves with expenditure assuming a
competent designer is the loudspeaker.

Well, it's Usenet, so I suppose you can say anything you like. But
that does explain why you're not writing for the public and getting
paid for it.

Which also explains why you haven't the tiniest clue !

I'm very aware of the fact that if 'hi-fi rags' told the real truth there would suddenly
be a heck of a lot of unemployed snake-oil merchants.

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Define poor. I certainly have never felt the need to spend money on frivolous trinkets
for sure !

Well, I'm just comparing you to people like Arny and Howard Ferstler,
people who have never been able to afford the finer things in life and
therefore rally against them, saying there are no differences.

What makes you think this ?

I drive a Saab ! Definitely one of the finer things in life !


It's
amazing how the objectivists spend more time railing against the
high-end than listening to their own ****ty audio systems.

You're irredeemably dumb to imagine such a thing simply because I refute intentional
distortion and colouration as being 'better'.

Graham

[Eeyore]

MiNe 109 wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Why do you reckon the girls prefer the guys who play in the band ? And their
sound engineers too - wink wink !

If they go with the sound engineers they get a shot at a roadie.

Oh dear !

That's only for the *really* dirty girls ! Trust you to be such a smutbag !

Graham

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:


Why do you reckon the girls prefer the guys who play in the band ? And their
sound engineers too - wink wink !

If they go with the sound engineers they get a shot at a roadie.

Stephen

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

The only piece of kit that truly seriously improves with expenditure assuming a
competent designer is the loudspeaker.

Well, it's Usenet, so I suppose you can say anything you like. But
that does explain why you're not writing for the public and getting
paid for it.

Which also explains why you haven't the tiniest clue !

I'm very aware of the fact that if 'hi-fi rags' told the real truth there would suddenly
be a heck of a lot of unemployed snake-oil merchants.

My, that was original. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Define poor. I certainly have never felt the need to spend money on frivolous trinkets
for sure !

Well, I'm just comparing you to people like Arny and Howard Ferstler,
people who have never been able to afford the finer things in life and
therefore rally against them, saying there are no differences.

What makes you think this ?

I drive a Saab ! Definitely one of the finer things in life !

Saabs are pieces of **** ever since GM took over. The current 9-3 is
one of the five least reliable cars sold in North America.

I drive a Subaru WRX. GM took my car, threw a Saab badge on it, called
it a 9-2, and charged $5000 extra for it. And you want to talk about
snake oil? ROTFLMAO!



It's
amazing how the objectivists spend more time railing against the
high-end than listening to their own ****ty audio systems.

You're irredeemably dumb to imagine such a thing simply because I refute intentional
distortion and colouration as being 'better'.

And you have yet to volunteer information about your own system because
you know I'll rip it apart.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

If you're incapable of joining the meaning of " Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ? "
with " In the sense that you purvey loony opinions it seems. "

I feel sorry for you.

Well, I earn an income from writing. Do you?

In part.

I'm not talking about memos to your boss.

Something more than a memo.

Yeah, talk about obfuscations. How many more exchanges will it take
before we see an example of your writing, outside of this NG, of
course? Ten? Twenty? Never?

Have you ever had to write a full-blown report ?

I was a project manager for a telecommunications firm for eight years.
I wrote their training manual. I wrote their OSHA policy handbook. I
wrote their manual for field practices and procedures.



If the sentence in question is indicative of the way you think, the
answer is undoubtedly no.

My technical writing style is more measured. This is *USENET* you know !

No, it's actually inept. It measures, if one can apply this analogy
correctly, like ****.

Sorry, your 'argument' doesn't wash.

I have a degree in literature. I'm an expert. Trust me, your way with
the written word is rudimentary at best, sophomoric at worst. Or would
you like to brag about all the youngsters you've bagged to a group of
starngers on the Internet again?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote

As far as the visit is concerned, that would be great, but it depends
on the date. I'm going on an extended road trip for a month or so
starting in mid-October. I'm visiting my parents in Colorado for a few
days, and then I'm off to the Rocky Mountain Audio Festival in Denver
from October 20-22. I'll be helping to man the TONE Audio room. Then,
I'm going to take the WRX on a whirlwind trip through the last five
states in the US I've never seen. And then, it's off to London.

Marc is already planning his retreat.

Actually, I'll be in your neck of the woods again. How about lunch?
I'll buy, since you don't even have enough money to buy a new Rega
Planar 2.

Ahh...... more show-off tactics.

Go on. Show him how big your willy is whilst you're at it !

I've been to Arny's before. He wasn't quite the gracious host you
might expect.

Still, I'm concerned with your obsession over other men's penises.

It's an analogy you nitwit ! The idea was simply to make fun of it and reduce it to
the pathetic sillyness that it is.

Nope, all of your so-called humor seems to revolve around other men's
penises, and having sex with young girls and boasting about it to
strangers. It's pretty juvenile. And while I'm no prude, and enjoy
vulgarity as much as the next man, I find you and your outbursts kind
of pathetic. I'm sure you're one of those people on the Internet where
the less I know about you, the better. The truth about you and your
life would probably be way too depressing. You know, like Arny.



It's not at all about showing off. It's about the fact that Arny is a
pretty sick individual from a mental standpoint, and I can't stand
watching ignorant fools suckle at his teat.

Hi-fi boasting is all about 'penis-size-compenation' ( in the minds of those owning
the expensive kit ).

Not at all. I enjoy the music. And I love recommending affordable
equipment to others. For instance, I could be happy with a McIntosh
MAC1500 receiver and a Rega P3 and a pair of Spica TC-50s. Or would
that be too rich for you, too?


Why do you reckon the girls prefer the guys who play in the band ? And their sound
engineers too - wink wink !

There you go again. Frankly, the idea of a 52-year-old sound engineer
drooling over some skanky groupies is stunningly anti-erotic.

Boon

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

If you're incapable of joining the meaning of " Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ? "
with " In the sense that you purvey loony opinions it seems. "

I feel sorry for you.

Well, I earn an income from writing. Do you?

In part.

I'm not talking about memos to your boss.

Something more than a memo.

Yeah, talk about obfuscations. How many more exchanges will it take
before we see an example of your writing, outside of this NG, of
course? Ten? Twenty? Never?

Have you ever had to write a full-blown report ?

I was a project manager for a telecommunications firm for eight years.
I wrote their training manual. I wrote their OSHA policy handbook. I
wrote their manual for field practices and procedures.

So you'll understand then that writing in that style is very different to writing a novel. I don't write novels nor
do I have any intention of doing so.

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

would
you like to brag about all the youngsters you've bagged to a group of
starngers on the Internet again?

It's a heck of a lot more interesting than "my turntable's more expensive than your turntable" talk for sure !

Graham

[Sander deWaal]

Eeyore said:


I drive a Saab ! Definitely one of the finer things in life !


Obviously, you've never driven a Citroen DS, SM or CX. ;-)
You might try looking at the new C6, it is said to have inherited some
genes of said famous automobiles.
I still haven't tried it myself though.

BTW I may be considered "poor" by most people's standards, yet this
doesn't keep me from having good sound in the house.

One of the advantages of being a DIY-er!

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Sander deWaal]

said:


Not at all. I enjoy the music. And I love recommending affordable
equipment to others. For instance, I could be happy with a McIntosh
MAC1500 receiver and a Rega P3 and a pair of Spica TC-50s. Or would
that be too rich for you, too?


Hey, I had the Spicas, too (for a too short period of time)!

I regret ever selling them (it was a very dark period in my life).
One of the best, if not *the* best, small speakers ever made.
If you could live without the deep bass of bigger speakers, a keeper
for life.

Sigh. I never see them advertised second-hand in this vicinity.....

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Sander deWaal]

Eeyore said:


The vinyl nuts and the tubies are just seeking the comfortable pastures of old.
Together with the subjectivism that always accompanied it.


Not necessarily, Graham.

Vinyl and/or tubes (though the 2 mostly go together) are usually more
of a DIY-thing, a hobby, a pastime.

Turntables don't necessarily have to be (though some knowledge to set
them up properly is needed), but tube amps are, in my opinion, not for
the non-technical people out there.

Unusually arrogant of me to say this, I know, but it is sadly my
experience that many people who buy into the hype, buy some Chinese
sh*t tube stuff, and end up with burnt out transformers, Chinese KT88
firecrackers and if they're lucky, their house will not burn down
entirely.
Or they buy overpriced boatanchors on E-bay, plug them in after years
of resting (and rusting), and are surprised if an electrolytic blows
through the roof, or it sets fire underneath.
In the best of cases, a fuse blows or their music is accompanied by a
loud hum, hiss of crackling noises.

Never mind, it keeps the techies out there busy ;-)

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

The only piece of kit that truly seriously improves with expenditure assuming a
competent designer is the loudspeaker.

Well, it's Usenet, so I suppose you can say anything you like. But
that does explain why you're not writing for the public and getting
paid for it.

Which also explains why you haven't the tiniest clue !

I'm very aware of the fact that if 'hi-fi rags' told the real truth there would suddenly
be a heck of a lot of unemployed snake-oil merchants.

My, that was original. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

So was that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Got any other gems you'd like to share ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Define poor. I certainly have never felt the need to spend money on frivolous trinkets
for sure !

Well, I'm just comparing you to people like Arny and Howard Ferstler,
people who have never been able to afford the finer things in life and
therefore rally against them, saying there are no differences.

What makes you think this ?

I drive a Saab ! Definitely one of the finer things in life !

Saabs are pieces of **** ever since GM took over. The current 9-3 is
one of the five least reliable cars sold in North America.

That's OK. Mine's a 9000.


I drive a Subaru WRX. GM took my car, threw a Saab badge on it, called
it a 9-2, and charged $5000 extra for it. And you want to talk about
snake oil? ROTFLMAO!

They didn't offer this in Europe. Nor the SUV Saab, although I've heard the Saab engineers did
quite a nice job of improving it.


It's
amazing how the objectivists spend more time railing against the
high-end than listening to their own ****ty audio systems.

You're irredeemably dumb to imagine such a thing simply because I refute intentional
distortion and colouration as being 'better'.

And you have yet to volunteer information about your own system because
you know I'll rip it apart.

Seeing as you can't purchase the single most important item, the loudspeakers, you simply
couldn't evaluate it.

I can describe its construction if that's of any interest.

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

And while I'm no prude, and enjoy
vulgarity as much as the next man, I find you and your outbursts kind
of pathetic.

I can well believe you enjoy vulgarity whilst probably being afraid of women. Vulgarity
about sexual matters is one way that insecure men use to cope.

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Frankly, the idea of a 52-year-old sound engineer
drooling over some skanky groupies is stunningly anti-erotic.

I wouldn't mind betting that your jaw would drop at the sight of some of the babes I've
been known to hang out with. Some of them are truly stunning. I'm well aware it causes a
degree of jealousy to those who can't do the same.

Graham

[Eeyore]

Sander deWaal wrote:

Eeyore said:

I drive a Saab ! Definitely one of the finer things in life !

Obviously, you've never driven a Citroen DS, SM or CX. ;-)

Only a 2CV !

Actually I did once test drive a BX ??? The hot 16 valve gti one. It was
too small inside for my liking.


You might try looking at the new C6, it is said to have inherited some
genes of said famous automobiles.
I still haven't tried it myself though.

I thought of that the other day actually when you were talking about cars.
Even Clarkson on Top Gear kind of liked it but considered it not eccentric
enough to be a 'real' Citroen.


BTW I may be considered "poor" by most people's standards, yet this
doesn't keep me from having good sound in the house.

One of the advantages of being a DIY-er!

Very much so. That's where I started. Of course what I 'DIY' now tends to
be made by the hundreds or thousands.

Graham

[paul packer]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:29:11 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:


Or they buy overpriced boatanchors on E-bay, plug them in after years
of resting (and rusting), and are surprised if an electrolytic blows
through the roof, or it sets fire underneath.
In the best of cases, a fuse blows or their music is accompanied by a
loud hum, hiss of crackling noises.


It's not generally as bad as that, Sander. There are some really nice
sounding older amps on Ebay in excellent condition for not too much
money, provided you don't want prized brands like NAD, which really
are over-priced. Marantz can generally be got cheaply and sounds as
good (or better) than NAD. I stupidly missed out on a Marantz PM19
for just over $300 AU a couple of months ago and am still cursing. But
what I have bought has always arrived in the condition described
(except for a plastic-fronted Lux amp the courier thoughtfully smashed
for me) and performed well.

[George M. Middius]

Poopie brayed:

I can well believe you enjoy vulgarity whilst probably being afraid of women. Vulgarity
about sexual matters is one way that insecure men use to cope.

Have you established the pecking order of everybody's willies yet, Poopie?




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