Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?

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Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?

I can't think of one. That's kind of like asking if there's a
handheld vocal mic with no bass rolloff, and handheld vocal mics need
both to some degree. But there are mics that sound flatter than
others or that work better with harsh sounding sources - what kind of
singer/source are you trying to mic and what kind of micpre are you
using?

Some of the "larger" and less harsh mics I like are the
Beyerdynamics M88 and M69 (especially with a good transformered
micpre), or even an old M300 on occasion (I have a couple of those I
got from the Leader on an Italian Band I used to play in.) A ribbon
like an M260 can work as well. But if it doesn't have to be a dynamic
mic (48 volts ok), and cost isn't a problem the $500-600 Neumann
KMS104/105's are pretty great mics (the 105's are the supercardiod
models). Both have a rather modest presence peak that's way up top -
great sounding mics and worth it I think. The older KMS140/150 or
KMS84's used to cost a good deal more.

Will MIho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

http://www.neumann.com/?lang=en&id=c..._descrip tion
Check out the frequency response chart.

Will MIho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:33:12 -0400, wrote
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Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?


EV 635a?

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

wrote:

Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?

Many of the Electro Voice dynamics are fairly smooth without
a lot of presense: RE10/11, RE15/16, PL6, PL11, PL95.
Of these I think only the RE16 is still available.
The omni RE55 and PL9 are very flat, also discontinued.
The 635A is somewhat smooth with just a subtle wide
upper-mid emphasis.

Shure's long gone SM59 was very flat.

rd

I had a beyerdynamic M260 ribbon mic that seemed very flat to me... it
wasn't so great for vocals, but it was very nice on trumpet and trombone. I
think EV RE-20s are pretty flat, or at least they don't seem to have much of
a midrange peak... they can actually be kinda muddy sounding, but that can
be a good thing in some situations.
-Neb

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Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:30:57 GMT, "nebulax"
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I had a beyerdynamic M260 ribbon mic that seemed very flat to me... it
wasn't so great for vocals, but it was very nice on trumpet and trombone. I
think EV RE-20s are pretty flat, or at least they don't seem to have much of
a midrange peak... they can actually be kinda muddy sounding, but that can
be a good thing in some situations.

Can't call them a "hand held" tho... EV RE16 is about it. EV 635a
too, but being an omni, it's not really the same species either.

Julian

In article ,
Ty Ford wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:33:12 -0400, wrote
(in article .com):

Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?

EV 635a?

Yes. Also Sennheiser 441, and the old 421 (not the new 421 II sadly).
In the cheap range, EV N/D 408 and 468. RE-16 and RE-20 have a little
lump but not much. The old 666 didn't have any at all.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

wrote:
Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?
http://earthworksaudio.com/specs/sr2..._eng_specs.pdf

wrote:
Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?

Several have mentioned the re 16 & variants.

As to condensers look at the Akg c535, very smooth on top. Here's the
data sheet for it:
http://www.akg-acoustics.com/mediada...5c242598ef.pdf

And the Shure SM87 (NOT the Beta 87) is very good as well. (when I ran
a venue, it was the 1st mic I would try on female vox during
soundcheck)

The current spec sheet for the SM 87 is useless, because the marketing
wonks at Shure replaced the old frequency curve with on that mirrors
the Beta87 curve. (Even though they never changed the capsule on the SM
87) Take my word for it, this mic is pretty smooth on the top end, a
little less bright than the c535

I'm certain one of these 3 mics will be a good match for the voice in
question. Oh, don't be afraid to experiment with a windscreen, either.
It can help with plosives, and will take off some high end, which may
or may not be a good (bad) thing.

-glenn

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:08:17 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article ):

In article ,
Ty Ford wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:33:12 -0400, wrote
(in article .com):

Just wondering if you know of any models without a presense peak?

EV 635a?

Yes. Also Sennheiser 441, and the old 421 (not the new 421 II sadly).
In the cheap range, EV N/D 408 and 468. RE-16 and RE-20 have a little
lump but not much. The old 666 didn't have any at all.
--scott



Well what's a peak? My old 421s do have something going on up there, but no
where near as much as the 421 II. Way to screw up a nice mic Sennheiser! They
make me sound sibilant, which I ain't.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

EV 635a?

Ty Ford



Would the N/D model be considered the same thing?

IRE-16 and RE-20 have a little
lump but not much. The old 666 didn't have any at all.
--scott



What's this Cannon UA-3-11 connector that I see on the 666?
How does that hook up to XLR?

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:48:41 -0400, wrote
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EV 635a?

Ty Ford



Would the N/D model be considered the same thing?


I don't know for sure; probably very similar. The N/D is (theoretically) a
stronger magnet.

Regards,

Ty



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

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What's this Cannon UA-3-11 connector that I see on the 666?
How does that hook up to XLR?

You need a cable (probably custom made) with different connectors on
each end. Pick the impedance you want (I'd recommend 250 ohms to use
with modern preamps). The polarity (which wire goes to Pin 2 and which
to Pin 3 of the XLR) is a guess. Check it by comparing it to a known
correctly wired mic and be prepared to swap pins 2 and 3 if you wired
it backwards.

Here's all you need to know:

http://www.coutant.org/666r/index.html

wrote:
IRE-16 and RE-20 have a little
lump but not much. The old 666 didn't have any at all.


What's this Cannon UA-3-11 connector that I see on the 666?
How does that hook up to XLR?

With a cable. UA on one end, XLR on the other. I forget the pinout. Back
before the XLR was the industry standard, you saw P connectors, UA connectors,
and several different kinds of Amphenol connectors on mikes. Even Hubbell
mini twistlocks in some places.
--scott



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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."