In article ,
Sander deWaal wrote:

Jenn said:

Next I'll be accused of being/operating a sockpuppet ;-(

I haven't been told yet whose sock Arny believes I am. I'm hurt.


Watch out, watch out, here comes the, delivrey truck full of it ;-(

Thank's Jenn or whatever you're name is, today for admitting your
guilty of scokpuupeting naivety and, a vynil biggot Jenn , LoT;S!

;-)

LOL!

LOL Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once in my life" in
order to figure all of this out.

"Jenn" wrote in message


Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once in
my life" in order to figure all of this out.

It's not too late to start trying, Jenn.

Jenn said:

Thank's Jenn or whatever you're name is, today for admitting your
guilty of scokpuupeting naivety and, a vynil biggot Jenn , LoT;S!

LOL Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once in my life" in
order to figure all of this out.

You don't want to get in as deep as Krooger is, of course.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once in
my life" in order to figure all of this out.

It's not too late to start trying, Jenn.

IC

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Jenn said:

Thank's Jenn or whatever you're name is, today for admitting your
guilty of scokpuupeting naivety and, a vynil biggot Jenn , LoT;S!

LOL Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once in my life" in
order to figure all of this out.

You don't want to get in as deep as Krooger is, of course.

Of course.

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net wrote:

Jenn said:

Thank's Jenn or whatever you're name is, today for
admitting your guilty of scokpuupeting naivety and, a
vynil biggot Jenn , LoT;S!

LOL Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once
in my life" in order to figure all of this out.

You don't want to get in as deep as Krooger is, of
course.

Of course.

Yeah Middius might start repulsing you. Can't have that, right? ;-)

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net wrote:

Jenn said:

Thank's Jenn or whatever you're name is, today for
admitting your guilty of scokpuupeting naivety and, a
vynil biggot Jenn , LoT;S!

LOL Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once
in my life" in order to figure all of this out.

You don't want to get in as deep as Krooger is, of
course.

Of course.

Yeah Middius might start repulsing you. Can't have that, right? ;-)

Thanks for your opinion on who should repulse me. I consider that to
be valuable information.

"Jenn" wrote in message
oups.com
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at]
comcast [dot] net wrote:

Jenn said:

Thank's Jenn or whatever you're name is, today for
admitting your guilty of scokpuupeting naivety and, a
vynil biggot Jenn , LoT;S!

LOL Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once
in my life" in order to figure all of this out.

You don't want to get in as deep as Krooger is, of
course.

Of course.

Yeah Middius might start repulsing you. Can't have that,
right? ;-)

Jenn, dripping with sarcasm writes:

Thanks for your opinion on who should repulse me. I
consider that to be valuable information.

Yawn.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
oups.com
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at]
comcast [dot] net wrote:

Jenn said:

Thank's Jenn or whatever you're name is, today for
admitting your guilty of scokpuupeting naivety and, a
vynil biggot Jenn , LoT;S!

LOL Perhaps I can "do a little deep thinking for once
in my life" in order to figure all of this out.

You don't want to get in as deep as Krooger is, of
course.

Of course.

Yeah Middius might start repulsing you. Can't have that,
right? ;-)

Jenn, dripping with sarcasm writes:

Thanks for your opinion on who should repulse me. I
consider that to be valuable information.

Yawn.

You're welcome.

ScottW wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

ScottW wrote:
wrote:
ScottW wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Scottie you win. Monster differed from the 16 zipcord.

thank-you.

It took me 0.5 an hour with dialup to download Greenhill's
text and this is what I found:

Poor Ludo... can't even afford DSL..

"There was 0, 16 db (REPEAT 0.16 db) insertion loss
difference between the two cables
(He's talking about Monster vs. 16 zipcord)
or the CORRESPONDING RESPONSE 0,04 (Yes 0,04) db.
VARIATION , when they were connected to the KEF
105.2 speakers..

So you think Home Depot 12 gauge would have
come up different? I don't.

ScottW

The terrier trained to yap out diameters yap by yap ("Trainer
was it 12 or 14 quick please?)
metamorphosed miraculouslyinto a 0.04 of a db. buzzing gnat.
Oh well, such is life on the internet. One has to learn
to put up with gnats till a neighbour lends his can of Fly-Tox
Ludovic Mirabel

Poor Ludo... he get into such a tizzy he hears bugs in his ears when
his loose logic and false statements are exposed.
Why didn't you mention that Greenville didn't do level matched tests
between Monster and 16 gauge?
Or that Monster against more exotic cables came up same for 1 panelist?
Oh... that's right... you didn't read it.

ScottW

Old Greenville(?) appeared to me in a dream (he's a psychiatrist by
profession- dreams are his forte) and said to tell you that anyone
level matching speakers for 0,04 db difference is sort of, kind of
...shall we say ...no I can't bring myself to repeat it..

Can't get your facts straight... again. .04 db was FR error.
What was the insertion loss? You saved the file didn't you
ludo? Or do you need another half hour on your modem
to figure out your mistake?

ScottW
=============================================
Out of Scottie's album of moronic snares:
.. Can't get your facts straight... again. .04 db was FR error.
What was the insertion loss?

THE INSERTION LOSS WAS 0,16 OF A DB. REPEAT 0,16 OF A DB.
Even dogs may have difficulty hearing it.
Who remembers figures like 0,16 of a db? Who cares?
Answer:
Moronic snare layers think they got something to lie about in the
future
just because no one will remember.
Ludovic Mirabel
I answered it previously, a little more politely , but the answer got
lost
in the shuffle. Since then - as I foresaw- the thing kept on about my
"lies"
.. .

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Let me sum up your understanding of wire
technology then.

Metallurgy = Metallurgy
Dielectrics = Dielectrics
Geometry = Geometry
Connectors = Connectors
------------------------------
Therefore Wire = Wire

Not at all, Powell.

All of these things matter, depending on the situation.

Your qualification is a little late, don’t you
think?


In Powell world, they matter regardless.

True. Regardless if I pay $10 - 200 per foot.

Oh, I get it - you're into spending the big bucks
on status symbols.

OK, I’m looking for RCA/RCA cables. What
makes and models of RCA to RCA cables meet
your personal standards? My specifications,
when possible, would include; must be fully
shielded, 5 nines copper, connectors with
excellent surface contact but will release
without tearing off female RCA, significant strain
relief, solid core not stranded, consistent
sounding from component to component, and
not impedance sensitive. So your short list of
cost effective cables would include what
makes and models, Arny?


Hey, I live in a community that prizes status
symbols - houses, cars, boats, degrees club
memberships. I get that.

Yes, I was in your neck of the woods, Grosse
Pointe Yacht Club for a wedding last year.

Why is the turbidity in the St. Clair River so
high... pollution, high volume? Saint Mary’s
River by comparison is pristine.

"Powell" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Let me sum up your understanding of wire
technology then.

Metallurgy = Metallurgy
Dielectrics = Dielectrics
Geometry = Geometry
Connectors = Connectors
------------------------------
Therefore Wire = Wire

Not at all, Powell.

All of these things matter, depending on the situation.

Your qualification is a little late, don’t you
think?


In Powell world, they matter regardless.

True. Regardless if I pay $10 - 200 per foot.

Oh, I get it - you're into spending the big bucks
on status symbols.

OK, I’m looking for RCA/RCA cables. What
makes and models of RCA to RCA cables meet
your personal standards? My specifications,
when possible, would include; must be fully
shielded, 5 nines copper, connectors with
excellent surface contact but will release
without tearing off female RCA, significant strain
relief, solid core not stranded, consistent
sounding from component to component, and
not impedance sensitive. So your short list of
cost effective cables would include what
makes and models, Arny?


Hey, I live in a community that prizes status
symbols - houses, cars, boats, degrees club
memberships. I get that.

Yes, I was in your neck of the woods, Grosse
Pointe Yacht Club for a wedding last year.

I guess they are upgrading the harbor.

Why is the turbidity in the St. Clair River so
high... pollution, high volume? Saint Mary’s
River by comparison is pristine.

Lake Huron and Lake St Clair are sandy in that area. The St Clair river has
a lot of sandy bottom. Part of the appearance of turbidity in some places is
actually the shallow sandy bottom showing through. Also, some of the the
sand gets picked up by the water. This is especially true when its stormy or
where the current is swift.

BTW Lake Superior is fairly turbid where the shore is sandy, especially when
the water is stirred up by the weather. Especially true where we hiked this
fall between Grand Marais and the Two Hearted River. We had a gale one
night. We filtered our drinking water and cleaned the filter maybe three
times in 8 days.

AFAIK the Saint Mary's river has rock bottom and shore upstream by Superior
where its generally clear, but it gets more turbid as it approaches Drummond
Island and Lake Huron.

"Powell" said:

OK, Im looking for RCA/RCA cables. What
makes and models of RCA to RCA cables meet
your personal standards? My specifications,
when possible, would include; must be fully
shielded, 5 nines copper, connectors with
excellent surface contact but will release
without tearing off female RCA, significant strain
relief, solid core not stranded, consistent
sounding from component to component, and
not impedance sensitive. So your short list of
cost effective cables would include what
makes and models, Arny?


Can you solder?
Then get a few meters of RG58U coax, and some WBT connectors with
twistable surround that will clamp on the receptacle.
A 1 meter stereo pair will set you back about $26 (with the connectors
being about $8 each).

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

Sander deWaal wrote:
"Powell" said:

OK, I'm looking for RCA/RCA cables. What
makes and models of RCA to RCA cables meet
your personal standards? My specifications,
when possible, would include; must be fully
shielded, 5 nines copper, connectors with
excellent surface contact but will release
without tearing off female RCA, significant strain
relief, solid core not stranded, consistent
sounding from component to component, and
not impedance sensitive. So your short list of
cost effective cables would include what
makes and models, Arny?


Can you solder?
Then get a few meters of RG58U coax, and some WBT connectors with
twistable surround that will clamp on the receptacle.
A 1 meter stereo pair will set you back about $26 (with the connectors
being about $8 each).

I made a set of those about 20 years ago. Too stiff and didn't sound
any different so I put 'em in my box o spare cables and there they rest
to this day .

ScottW

ScottW wrote:
Sander deWaal wrote:
"Powell" said:

OK, I'm looking for RCA/RCA cables. What
makes and models of RCA to RCA cables meet
your personal standards? My specifications,
when possible, would include; must be fully
shielded, 5 nines copper, connectors with
excellent surface contact but will release
without tearing off female RCA, significant strain
relief, solid core not stranded, consistent
sounding from component to component, and
not impedance sensitive. So your short list of
cost effective cables would include what
makes and models, Arny?


Can you solder?
Then get a few meters of RG58U coax, and some WBT connectors with
twistable surround that will clamp on the receptacle.
A 1 meter stereo pair will set you back about $26 (with the connectors
being about $8 each).

I made a set of those about 20 years ago. Too stiff and didn't sound
any different so I put 'em in my box o spare cables and there they rest
to this day .

ScottW

Scottie accused me of lying about Greenhill's ABX
cable comparison in 1983. Greenhill compared an early Master
cable against 16g zipcord.
.. Greenhill did not give a diameter for the Master cable
but I assumed that if for no other reason that objectivist would not
falsify the data to favour the proprietary Master (Remember? "Wire
is wire" is an article of faith in the Chapel.
I assumed the cables were of the same diameter= functionally
identical.
Scottie calculalated the monster gauge at 12 ( "or maybe 14").

He said I was "lying" when I said that 16g zipcord that Greenhill
used and Master cable were equal ( same diameter, functionally
identical,whatever)
I reread Greenhill and found that the frequency response
difference between the two was all of 0,04 db. Yes, 0,04.!!!
Scottie had an answer:
Can't get your facts straight... again. .04 db was FR error.
What was the insertion loss?

..I answered:

"Out of Scottie's album of moronic snares:
"THE INSERTION LOSS WAS 0,16 OF A DB. REPEAT 0,16
OF A DB.
Even dogs may have difficulty hearing it.
Who remembers figures like 0,16 of a db? Who cares?
Moronic snare layers think they got something to lie about in the
future just because no one will remember".

I apologise for going on about this but I want a to have a record.
To me accusation of lying, RAO or not, is a serious matter
As I foresaw Scottie is letting sleeping dogs lie waiting in ambush
to pop up when details are forgotten and he can restart.
He has done this several times before in several different threads.
It seems to be his internet technique.
Ludovic Mirabel

wrote:
ScottW wrote:

Scottie accused me of lying about Greenhill's ABX
cable comparison in 1983. Greenhill compared an early Master
cable against 16g zipcord.
. Greenhill did not give a diameter for the Master cable
but I assumed that if for no other reason that objectivist would not
falsify the data to favour the proprietary Master (Remember? "Wire
is wire" is an article of faith in the Chapel.
I assumed the cables were of the same diameter= functionally
identical.
Scottie calculalated the monster gauge at 12 ( "or maybe 14").

Poor deLudo... he can't keep anything straight.
First... It was Monster Cable.
Second.... there was a photo in the article of the 3 cables showing
they aren't close to same so why did deLudo claim otherwise?
Third... deLudo hadn't even read the article till I called him on his
extensive and repetitive errors in trying to quote the article.

He said I was "lying" when I said that 16g zipcord that Greenhill
used and Master cable were equal ( same diameter, functionally
identical,whatever)
I reread Greenhill and found that the frequency response
difference between the two was all of 0,04 db. Yes, 0,04.!!!
Scottie had an answer:
Can't get your facts straight... again. .04 db was FR error.
What was the insertion loss?

.I answered:

"Out of Scottie's album of moronic snares:
"THE INSERTION LOSS WAS 0,16 OF A DB. REPEAT 0,16
OF A DB.
Even dogs may have difficulty hearing it.

Exactly and no one did using music. No one.

Who remembers figures like 0,16 of a db? Who cares?

Apparently people who use pink noise as a source may care..
cuz some could hear the difference with pink noise.
None could with music though.

Oddly, Greenhill never did a level matched comparison of Monster
and 16 guage. Why not Ludo?

Moronic snare layers think they got something to lie about in the
future just because no one will remember".

I apologise for going on about this but I want a to have a record.

Record of what? You're numerous blatant misrepresentations?
Ok... you should thank me.

To me accusation of lying, RAO or not, is a serious matter

Simple solution to your problem deLudo. Get your facts
straight and stop misquoting people.

Hey deLudo... I can post on RAHE if I choose to..
why can't you? Answer: They don't like liars.

ScottW

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Hey, I live in a community that prizes status
symbols - houses, cars, boats, degrees club
memberships. I get that.

Yes, I was in your neck of the woods, Grosse
Pointe Yacht Club for a wedding last year.

I guess they are upgrading the harbor.

The St. Clair River area seems like some
pretty boring boating. No open water for 15 miles
in either direction. Boats pace upriver and then
down river. The bikini-girls on the larger cruisers
were nice viewing. I passed a dive shop in the
area, how does he stay in business?


BTW Lake Superior is fairly turbid where the
shore is sandy, especially when the water is
stirred up by the weather. Especially true
where we hiked this fall between Grand Marais
and the Two Hearted River. We had a gale one
night.

The Two Hearted River is notorious for plagues
of black flies in the spring to mid summer.

"gale one night"... been there, on the Canadian
shore of Superior. Even with all the stakes tied
to the tent's storm cover the wind pushed the
tent walls inward. To noisy to sleep, can't walk
around because of all the sand in the wind and
it is to cold to be outside of a sleeping bag.
And unfortunately one has to urinate lot when
you are not moving around and the body
core temp is below optimal.

That's right up there with spending the better
part of 10 days camping in the rain on Superior
Eastern shoreline.


AFAIK the Saint Mary's river has rock bottom
and shore upstream by Superior where its
generally clear, but it gets more turbid as it
approaches Drummond Island and Lake Huron.

I've canoed the area between the Sault and
Neebish Island. Near the locks the bottom is
blasted rock and the channel is very narrow
in spots. Carriers pass with only a few feet
under the keel. Passed the loaded down-bound
Roger Blough (858' ) in such a channel.
28,400 bhp makes for an interesting Doppler
effect off the craggy rock bottom to the canoe's
bottom to mine.

"Powell" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Hey, I live in a community that prizes status
symbols - houses, cars, boats, degrees club
memberships. I get that.

Yes, I was in your neck of the woods, Grosse
Pointe Yacht Club for a wedding last year.

I guess they are upgrading the harbor.

The St. Clair River area seems like some
pretty boring boating. No open water for 15 miles
in either direction. Boats pace upriver and then
down river. The bikini-girls on the larger cruisers
were nice viewing. I passed a dive shop in the
area, how does he stay in business?

Wrecks abound in Lake Huron.

BTW Lake Superior is fairly turbid where the
shore is sandy, especially when the water is
stirred up by the weather. Especially true
where we hiked this fall between Grand Marais
and the Two Hearted River. We had a gale one
night.

The Two Hearted River is notorious for plagues
of black flies in the spring to mid summer.

You won't find me camping then. Wife and I are empty-nesters so we wait
till the kiddies are back in school.

"gale one night"... been there, on the Canadian
shore of Superior. Even with all the stakes tied
to the tent's storm cover the wind pushed the
tent walls inward. To noisy to sleep, can't walk
around because of all the sand in the wind and
it is to cold to be outside of a sleeping bag.
And unfortunately one has to urinate lot when
you are not moving around and the body
core temp is below optimal.

I've slept through some record wind storms.

That's right up there with spending the better
part of 10 days camping in the rain on Superior
Eastern shoreline.

Another advantage of camping in early-mid fall. Reduced rain.

AFAIK the Saint Mary's river has rock bottom
and shore upstream by Superior where its
generally clear, but it gets more turbid as it
approaches Drummond Island and Lake Huron.

I've canoed the area between the Sault and
Neebish Island. Near the locks the bottom is
blasted rock and the channel is very narrow
in spots. Carriers pass with only a few feet
under the keel. Passed the loaded down-bound
Roger Blough (858' ) in such a channel.
28,400 bhp makes for an interesting Doppler
effect off the craggy rock bottom to the canoe's
bottom to mine.

We might be canoeing along Superior's eastern shore this summer.

"Arny Krueger" wrote

The Two Hearted River is notorious for plagues
of black flies in the spring to mid summer.

You won't find me camping then. Wife and I are
empty-nesters so we wait till the kiddies are back
in school.

Have you considered a RV instead of tenting,
now that the kids are gone?


AFAIK the Saint Mary's river has rock bottom
and shore upstream by Superior where its
generally clear, but it gets more turbid as it
approaches Drummond Island and Lake Huron.

I've canoed the area between the Sault and
Neebish Island. Near the locks the bottom is
blasted rock and the channel is very narrow
in spots. Carriers pass with only a few feet
under the keel. Passed the loaded down-bound
Roger Blough (858' ) in such a channel.
28,400 bhp makes for an interesting Doppler
effect off the craggy rock bottom to the canoe's
bottom to mine.

We might be canoeing along Superior's eastern
shore this summer.

If you enjoy geology, wilderness hiking and canoeing
then add to your short list:
Lake Superior Provincial Park
http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/lakes.html
Pukaskwa National Park
http://canadianparks.com/ontario/pukasnp/index.htm

"Powell" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote

The Two Hearted River is notorious for plagues
of black flies in the spring to mid summer.

You won't find me camping then. Wife and I are
empty-nesters so we wait till the kiddies are back
in school.

Have you considered a RV instead of tenting,
now that the kids are gone?


RVs are for wimps.

AFAIK the Saint Mary's river has rock bottom
and shore upstream by Superior where its
generally clear, but it gets more turbid as it
approaches Drummond Island and Lake Huron.

I've canoed the area between the Sault and
Neebish Island. Near the locks the bottom is
blasted rock and the channel is very narrow
in spots. Carriers pass with only a few feet
under the keel. Passed the loaded down-bound
Roger Blough (858' ) in such a channel.
28,400 bhp makes for an interesting Doppler
effect off the craggy rock bottom to the canoe's
bottom to mine.

We might be canoeing along Superior's eastern
shore this summer.

If you enjoy geology, wilderness hiking and canoeing
then add to your short list:
Lake Superior Provincial Park
http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/lakes.html

Been there, done that a great many many times. We've been over most of it,
some parts several times. Canoed the interior lake system around Minjiin
lake.

Walked and climbed the trail to Agawa files. Good pictures of that trail at
http://www.gowaterfalling.com/waterf...agawatrail.jpg

We are currently planning to return this summer for a liesurly canoe trip
along the Superior shore, particularly the Gargantua area, in August before
the lake turns nasty.

Pukaskwa National Park
http://canadianparks.com/ontario/pukasnp/index.htm

Thinking about it.

Our favorite Canadian park:

http://www.ontarioparks.com/English/quet.html

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Have you considered a RV instead of tenting,
now that the kids are gone?

RVs are for wimps.

That's to bad. Haven't used a tent in about ten
years and don't miss it one bit. ;-)
http://www.keystone-cougar.com/index...1EFS&year=2006


We are currently planning to return this summer for a liesurly canoe trip
along the Superior shore, particularly the Gargantua area, in August
before the lake turns nasty.

Pukaskwa National Park
http://canadianparks.com/ontario/pukasnp/index.htm

Thinking about it.

If you like inland waterway canoeing and less distance
to drive than Pukaskwa there is The Shoals Provincial
Park. Located between Wawa and Chapleau.
http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/shoa.html

OTOH, if you really want to get from it all there's
Missinaibi Provincial Park. Located in the largest
game preserve in North America (99,000 hectares).
The Missinaibi runs northward to the Moose River
(James Bay). It's a transition zone between boreal
forest to lowland muskeg. The bear pressure was
intense, with leaches and windy conditions to
contend with. There are some major pictographs
and relics of logging and fur trade to be seen. Best
to carry a short wave radio or Emergency transmitter
if you have one or bring a BIG boat.
http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/miss.html


Our favorite Canadian park:

http://www.ontarioparks.com/English/quet.html
Thanks... I'll check it out. Lots of people in
the park?

Powell said:

RVs are for wimps.

That's to bad. Haven't used a tent in about ten
years and don't miss it one bit. ;-)

I suppose that you being a christian "brother" to Krooger is the reason
you didn't sneer at Mr. ****'s obvious red herring. The real reason
Krooger postures as a hardcore outdoorsborg is because he can't afford to
buy an RV.






--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.