"hank alrich" wrote in message
.. .


I am so ignorant of Windows I can't answer that. First thing I do when i
get a Mac or do a OS install on one is remove everything that has to do
with M$. Nevermind running Windows.

How sad when continuing a state of ignorance seems an end in itself

Sequoia is the first thing that makes me wonder about crossing
platforms. It appears to be slicker than what else is out there.


Sequoia is fantastic, and there are slicker major apps Win out there.

geoff

Operating system preferences are WAY off topic. Take it elsewhere.

Joe Kesselman wrote:

Operating system preferences are WAY off topic.

How so?

" wrote:

Seriously though, if the finances aren't an issue, yea, stick with
digi. Sorry I couldn't provide more ammunition for you.


Thanks for all your input and suggestions Mark. I really appreciate you
taking the time to help.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"hank alrich" wrote:

I'd say line it out and post it into DAW-Mac. You
will get a disc load of informed replies.


Thanks Hank. That's a mailing list, right? Or is it a Usenet group?
Am I allowed to subscribe even though I spend half my time on a machine
using EEOS (Evil Empire Operating System)? g

I still giggle every time I see you sign a post with your initials...
like a little laugh at the end of each post!

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"zuuum" wrote:

I'm not a user of either TDM or LE, but I think we're thinking inside
the box of music production. If you were outside of that box, like
editing movie soundtrack events or other vid synced apps, perhaps
there would be other discoveries.


I spend better than half my PT time doing audio-for-video work, usually
synched to picture, and sadly, no, the differences don't become any more
obvious that way either.

Either I'm missing something really serious about TDM, or LE is the
biggest bang-for-the-buck to come down the road in a long time.



You would think digid would have a pat answer of what tools or
capabilities are not in LE.

They sorta do: TDM takes the processing off the computer and puts it on
dedicated DSP cards. That's not insignificant. It just doesn't seem to
be *necessary* for many, many applications.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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zuuum wrote:


ROFLMAO

Really, when are they going to change that?! I think sometimes if you leave
the Mac mouse depressed a secondary drop-down menu shows up. But not nearly
as often as I need one.



They've changed it already. All new iMacs come with their "mighty
mouse." As I've written previously, OSX comes with scroll wheel and
right click support... and has since 10.2 at least. Hook up any two
button mouse and it works.

Rick Paul wrote:

I get the impression you aren't familiar with many of the people in this
group.

What group is "this group?" I see it crossposted to three newsgroups.

Hey Ethan
I didn't mean to insult you in any way--sorry. Thanks for the
enlightening article on copy protection!
BTW- I have been a registered CW user since 7 (have 7,8,9 and now use
Sonar 3.1 Producer). I just want to clarify-that I am not a "Bozo" or
whatever that guy called me. And the Event speakers that were blowing up
were due to a batch of mis-shipped European models and had nothing
whatsoever to do with anything I did. It was fun blowing em up! I finally
got the right pair and I love em-they sound great and translate well. They
were my favorite of the Dynaudio, the Mackies and JBL- in the same price
range-the ASP8s are cool!

Thanx
Jeff



"Ethan Winer" ethanw at ethanwiner dot com wrote in message
...
Jeff,

are you using a pirated copy?

ROF,L. No, and it wasn't complimentary either. I paid for every version
from
1.0 through 5.0. I was going to skip the 5.0 upgrade because 4.0 does more
than I'll ever need. Heck, 1.0 was plenty good enough. But everyone told
me
5.0 was a very worthwhile upgrade so I bought that too.

Copy protection is a big problem, and I refuse to buy anything protected
with more than a serial number. Too many companies go out of business -
even
big companies - and I'm not willing to see my investment (money AND time)
go down the toilet the next time I buy a new computer. I have been tricked
a
few times though, like my recent purchase of Vegas 6 - DVD Architect won't
work until it's registered with a challenge response. Here's more on copy
protection:

www.ethanwiner.com/copyprot.html

--Ethan

Ted Perlman wrote:
I find Sonar easier to use than the other programs

I find Sonar to be extremely anal and difficult to understand. I have
learned all the other programs in a miniscule amount of time. I had Sonar
for 4 months and could never get any sounds from it, either midi or audio. I
am a former Cakewalk user (8 years) so there should have been some sort of
familiarity factor. Nope.

Sonar is the most user unfriendly program I have ever used. That doesn't
mean it's a bad program, I just find it impossible to figure out.

yeah, compared to cubase...all you do in sonar is "insert"..anything..
with cubase? not so

I am really surprised you have a learning curve with sonar
i never read any manual and just figured out 98% of it
but with cubase, i had to read read read

here you come with your wig all crooked calling sonar anal?
pfft...you're just bored

" wrote in message
...
Rick Paul wrote:

I get the impression you aren't familiar with many of the people in this
group.

What group is "this group?" I see it crossposted to three newsgroups.

Sorry, the one I was reading it on, and I think most of the SONAR users were
responding from, was cakewalk.audio. I'm not sure where others were
responding from.

Rick

--
=====================================
Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~rickpaul
MP3s: http://www.soundclick.com/rickpaul
=====================================

Jeff,

I didn't mean to insult you in any way--sorry.

I never felt insulted. That was a legitimate question! :-)

--Ethan

Lorin David Schultz wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote:

I'd say line it out and post it into DAW-Mac. You
will get a disc load of informed replies.

Thanks Hank. That's a mailing list, right? Or is it a Usenet group?

The former, and here's the link to info:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daw-mac/

Am I allowed to subscribe even though I spend half my time on a machine
using EEOS (Evil Empire Operating System)? g

You bet; plenty of folks there run both OS's side by side, and sometimes
linked. Streaming orchestra samples from a Wintel box along with PT on
Mac, etc.

I still giggle every time I see you sign a post with your initials...
like a little laugh at the end of each post!

It's like cheap medicine.

--
ha ha

Antony Gelberg wrote:

It amazes me that some people think that Microsoft is a bad corporate
monster and Apple is somehow good and sweet.

Never said anything like that.

If anything, Apple is even
more of a corporate monster, and becoming more so but dressed up as a
"lifestyle". They fooled these people with their "let's chill out and
get minimal, dude" hippy vibe.

I don't buy into any of that ****, either, and have no iPod's, etc.
Mostly I run old Macs, and my main machine still sits happily running
OS9.2.2 most of the time. Ain't a virus on the horizon for long time
now.

I live rurally, on a dialup, and have no interest in giant downloads
that are supposed to make the OS work like it should have in the first
place, whether it's Apple trying to fix ****ups, or M$ trying to shut
the viral doors, while leaving open all the backdoors.

I'm still a computer newbie, 11 years now, all Macs, not a penny spent
on antiviral tools, and nary an instrusive problem.

If I ever acquired a Mac, the first thing I'd do is wipe the OS and
install Linux.

And I'll do that when I see the equivalent of Logic Pro, Digital
Performer, ProTools, etc., running as easily in Linux.

--
ha

geoff wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote...

I am so ignorant of Windows I can't answer that. First thing I do when i
get a Mac or do a OS install on one is remove everything that has to do
with M$. Nevermind running Windows.

How sad when continuing a state of ignorance seems an end in itself

Yeah, man, I hear you; what a idiot I am. I play a handful of
instruments. ****, if I wasn't so lazy I'd play all the instruments. But
damn, when I need a bassoon part I have to call a bassoon player.

Some people like to play with computers. Some do not. I spend almost no
time at all administrating our machines. We like it like that.

Sequoia is the first thing that makes me wonder about crossing
platforms. It appears to be slicker than what else is out there.

Sequoia is fantastic, and there are slicker major apps Win out there.

That's fine. I don't like the way Windows looks, and I'd rather spend
the time I'd need to learn it playing music. I don't need or want other
ways to process words, bang around numbers, read email, etc. I don't
care what other people use. I give less than a **** what they think of
my own choices.

--
ha

Probably from the same anonymous moron that called me a Bozo. Who are these
fictitious people that are afraid to put a real name/contact on their
posts...?...At least I'm a professional and make a (lucrative) living with
music and am not afraid to put my name on a post. These fake people are
just afraid one day we might show up at their workplace and tell them how to
make the fries....

touché,
Jeff Loven


" here you come with your wig all crooked calling sonar anal?
pfft...you're just bored"

jeff loven wrote:
These fake people are
just afraid one day we might show up at their workplace and tell them howto
make the fries....

touché,
Jeff Loven


" here you come with your wig all crooked calling sonar anal?
pfft...you're just bored"

sorry man, I didn't know you bought toupe' tape for real

if you gotta tell someone you make money with music then
I just don't believe it, I think you're broke and bored and looking for
some flames.

and really this all stems from your Oedipal fear if Im spelling that
right.

I wrote a song about people like you
maybe I will post it sometime soon

abRokeNegRo wrote:

I wrote a song about people like you
maybe I will post it sometime soon

Please don't. And stop bothering Jeff.

"if you gotta tell someone you make money with music then
I just don't believe it, I think you're broke and bored and looking for
some flames."

You make me laugh.
But it is cool that you are writing songs. I love music- and I know what
you mean about people who have to blab about being a "pro" or whatever and a
lot of times they are just a joke. Some guy wanted to sit in a couple of
weeks agof. He walked up to the stage and immediately went into a speech
about how many gtrs he had. I only bring 4 to the gig. An acoustic 6, an
acoustic 12, a Strat w/Floyd Rose and either a Flying V or a Les Paul- I can
pretty much cover anything from AC/DC, SRV, VH to Black Eyed Peas, Weezer
and unplugged stuff ala Beatles,Eric Clapton, Incubus. (I sing and play to
backing trax I record in Sonar and perform 4-5 nights/wk in MN and WI as
Minnesota's #1 One Man Band.) He goes right to "I definitely have more gtrs
than you" and I knew the guy was joker. Geez dude- I probly have over 30
gtrs and these at the gig aren't even the nice ones! But who cares-you can
only play em one at a time-- unless your Rick Neilsen! I was gonna blow the
guy off until 2 employees from the bar said he was a regular and asked if he
could play a song. I was like "sure!" I plugged the guy in and started the
sequence for the easy 3 chord Keep Your hands to Yourself by the Georgia
Satellites. This guy was amazing--not only could he not play any solo, he
could not even feel when to change on the 1,1V and V-he couldn't even find
beat 1 .
Anyways- I'm not rich but I am lucky and blessed enough to make a living
doing music and have done so for decades--performing, recording and
teaching. These days I've taken a hiatus from studio work and teaching to
enjoy performing live.
Why are you afraid to show your real name or say what you do with
music...?...I just take offense at some nobody calling me a Bozo.
Jeff Loven
www.jeffloven.com

This has nothing to do with this thread at all, but I dig your website, very
cool. My friends and I have an inside joke we love, "good times had by
most." Very similar. Also I grew up in Minnesota. I've been working on a
new website for a few months, should be up and running soon....

Matt Koskenmaki
www.koskenmaki.com




"jeff loven" wrote in message
...
"if you gotta tell someone you make money with music then
I just don't believe it, I think you're broke and bored and looking for
some flames."

You make me laugh.
But it is cool that you are writing songs. I love music- and I know what
you mean about people who have to blab about being a "pro" or whatever and
a lot of times they are just a joke. Some guy wanted to sit in a couple
of weeks agof. He walked up to the stage and immediately went into a
speech about how many gtrs he had. I only bring 4 to the gig. An
acoustic 6, an acoustic 12, a Strat w/Floyd Rose and either a Flying V or
a Les Paul- I can pretty much cover anything from AC/DC, SRV, VH to Black
Eyed Peas, Weezer and unplugged stuff ala Beatles,Eric Clapton, Incubus.
(I sing and play to backing trax I record in Sonar and perform 4-5
nights/wk in MN and WI as Minnesota's #1 One Man Band.) He goes right to
"I definitely have more gtrs than you" and I knew the guy was joker. Geez
dude- I probly have over 30 gtrs and these at the gig aren't even the nice
ones! But who cares-you can only play em one at a time-- unless your Rick
Neilsen! I was gonna blow the guy off until 2 employees from the bar said
he was a regular and asked if he could play a song. I was like "sure!" I
plugged the guy in and started the sequence for the easy 3 chord Keep Your
hands to Yourself by the Georgia Satellites. This guy was amazing--not
only could he not play any solo, he could not even feel when to change on
the 1,1V and V-he couldn't even find beat 1 .
Anyways- I'm not rich but I am lucky and blessed enough to make a living
doing music and have done so for decades--performing, recording and
teaching. These days I've taken a hiatus from studio work and teaching to
enjoy performing live.
Why are you afraid to show your real name or say what you do with
music...?...I just take offense at some nobody calling me a Bozo.
Jeff Loven
www.jeffloven.com

These fake people are just afraid one day we might show up at their
workplace and tell them how to
make the fries

LOL!!!!!


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

I just take offense at some nobody calling me a Bozo

Then you and I must both be bozos. I'd be proud to be called a bozo along
with you.

TP

jeff loven wrote:

Why are you afraid to show your real name or say what you do with
music...?...I just take offense at some nobody calling me a Bozo.
Jeff Loven
www.jeffloven.com

me? afraid? it just seems that way
i've splattered this nest of people with my tunes

i realize it's not really a writers forum it's a techno thingy with
sonar
however! all the cool people hang out here

it's kind of like when you go shopping for a new vevlet sports coat or
snakeskin boots
you automatically go for the most expensive ones based on the quality

you seem quite seasoned and down to earth with your music

i've met people like your guitarist, I had a saxaphonist come and do
some recording with me in a church, it was a nice facility...

he began to complain that he wasn't having any fun! this was the
biggest joke among us for the longest time...no fun? yeah! recording is
tedious and hard work

the fun is in, maybe laying a vocal line and git it out of your system
so to say
a good melody will haunt a soul until it is sung

other times, you gotta get out and live in order to have something to
write and sing about

Don't you pull em out when they float?
Max Arwood

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
t...
These fake people are just afraid one day we might show up at their
workplace and tell them how to
make the fries

LOL!!!!!


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

That's just an old heckler comeback when you're on stage.
-someone heckles you-you reply "Hey buddy-I don't come to your work and tell
ya how to make the fries!"
or-"Hey bartender let me get that guy a drink---how about a double shot of
Shut-The-****-Up!!!"

there's a bunch of em and I can always use a few more if you have some...

thanx
Jeff




"Max Arwood" wrote in message
. ..
Don't you pull em out when they float?
Max Arwood

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
t...
These fake people are just afraid one day we might show up at their
workplace and tell them how to
make the fries

LOL!!!!!


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

News flash...........................
"A rock band used to be four guys and a drummer. Now it's five guys sitting
around reading manuals!"
--Bill Bruford

I know a few myself, I was once playing a one night stand in a redneck bar
in ??? TX. This guy thought I was flirting with his gal. I told him I
would meet him outside tomorrow night at 1:00 when I got off work playing.
g I was just kidding about the fries, but if you have ever cooked fries
you know that you cook em till they float. I learned that the hard way back
in my days of poverty. ggg

Max Arwood

What would a musician do if he won a million dollars?
Continue to play gigs until the money ran out

What's the difference between a musician and a fourteen-inch pizza?
A fourteen-inch pizza can feed a family of four.

What happens when you play "the blues" backwards?
Your wife comes back to you, your dog returns to life and you get out of
prison.
What happens when you play country western music backwards?
You get your pickup truck back, your dog returns to life, and you get back
your job at the car wash.

And probably the funniest "?musicial?" joke of all times:

"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out." -- Decca
Recording Company rejecting the Beatles, 1962

Max Arwood


"jeff loven" wrote in message
...
That's just an old heckler comeback when you're on stage.
-someone heckles you-you reply "Hey buddy-I don't come to your work and
tell
ya how to make the fries!"
or-"Hey bartender let me get that guy a drink---how about a double shot of
Shut-The-****-Up!!!"

there's a bunch of em and I can always use a few more if you have some...

thanx
Jeff




"Max Arwood" wrote in message
. ..
Don't you pull em out when they float?
Max Arwood

"Ted Perlman" wrote in message
t...
These fake people are just afraid one day we might show up at their
workplace and tell them how to
make the fries

LOL!!!!!


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

What would a musician do if he won a million dollars?
Continue to play gigs until the money ran out


Brilliant!! LOL!!!


--
Regards,

Ted Perlman
Producer-Arranger-Composer-Guitarist

www.tedperlman.com

"jeff loven" wrote in message
...
That's just an old heckler comeback when you're on stage.
-someone heckles you-you reply "Hey buddy-I don't come to your work and
tell ya how to make the fries!"
or-"Hey bartender let me get that guy a drink---how about a double shot of
Shut-The-****-Up!!!"

there's a bunch of em and I can always use a few more if you have some...

thanx
Jeff

Let's not forget the comeback for when the drunk asshole keeps yelling
"Where's the Paaarrrrrtyy?...

just reply: "In your mouth... everybody's coming!"

(run like hell)

Mikey
Nova Music Productions

"jeff loven" wrote in message
...

there's a bunch of em and I can always use a few more if you have some...


Jack Dee, a British stand-up comic, has a great repertoire of put downs. Two
that I've seen recently ...

- to a guy who had obviously had too much to drink: "What's your name then?
Any idea?"

- to the audience, after a couple of women were getting a bit too loud: "We
shouldn't be unkind. Its a night out for them. pause And a night off for
their carers".

Walter

Max Arwood wrote:

I know a few myself, I was once playing a one night stand in a redneck barin
??? TX. This guy thought I was flirting with his gal. I told him Iwould
meet him outside tomorrow night at 1:00 when I got off work playing.

So did you show up or not?

You ever seen the size of some of those Texas Cowboys? We had 4 voice of
the theater speakers and this guy could have picked up 2 of them in each arm
and walked out the door! Because of my decision on that matter I'm here
today g
Max Arwood

"PapaNate" wrote in message
...
Max Arwood wrote:

I know a few myself, I was once playing a one night stand in a redneck
barin
??? TX. This guy thought I was flirting with his gal. I told him
Iwould
meet him outside tomorrow night at 1:00 when I got off work playing.

So did you show up or not?

Max Arwood wrote:
You ever seen the size of some of those Texas Cowboys? We had 4 voice of
the theater speakers and this guy could have picked up 2 of them in each arm
and walked out the door! Because of my decision on that matter I'm here
today g
Max Arwood


Wouldn't be a problem if they were the "Brokeback Mountain" cowboys.

"Bareback Mountain Cowgirls", no that's a new all-anal porno movie, which
I'm sure will be released shortly.
If you payed to see to both of these movies, and had an inkling of the
subject matter and knew it would offend you, why did you go?
I'm not interested in seeing either of these movies, but I'm sure I'd watch
"Brokeback" over "Rent".
It's supposed to be a great film!
WOW! you payed to see RENT, at the movies!
I'd be ****ed too,

Tom

"Great song man! I wanna release it on my label"
"Fantastic", says the artist.
Hey, did you use Pro Tools or Sonar to record it?"
"I used Sonar for that song"
"Thanks but forget the deal"
OR WORSE.....................
"OK, let's recut it with Pro Tools!"

All 4 now,
Tom

















"Steve Regular" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:46:03 -0600, kitekrazy wrote:

Max Arwood wrote:
You ever seen the size of some of those Texas Cowboys? We had 4 voice
of
the theater speakers and this guy could have picked up 2 of them in each
arm
and walked out the door! Because of my decision on that matter I'm here
today g
Max Arwood


Wouldn't be a problem if they were the "Brokeback Mountain" cowboys.

I thought that was "Bareback Mountain Cowgirls"............
Hide the sheep.

The only movie more disgusting than that one was "Rent"...........
Talk about freaks on parade...