"Lionel" wrote in message
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Robert Morein a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message
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Robert Morein a écrit :


There seems to be a divided opinion on this subject.

I would not ask the pastor for more than to help Arny with his problems.
Usenet addictions are common, but Arny seems to be suffering so much.
If this is not a purpose of one's church, what else is there? Arny
embarasses himself every day here, and in other forums, in front
of thousands of people. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Giving a
pastor information that would help him do his job better could save Arny
from troubles that none of us know anything about. Arny is an extremely
angry man. This is what distinguishes the rest of us from Arny.

It appears to me that the scales are so balanced:
1. Don't embarass Arny.
2. Arny is an extremely unhappy, angry person, who needs pastoral
attention, and this is an opportunity to open the door.

If I were to speak to Arny's pastor, I WOULD NOT ask the pastor to exert
pressue on Arny to change what he writes. My attitude would be that this
is an opportunity for Arny to receive counseling, entirely for his own
benefit. Whatever benefit comes to us would be only a side effect of a
happier Arny.

Please sound off.

Why would you make an ass of yourself Bob ?
You start by calling his pastor and you finish by phoning to his
neighbors during the night... :-(
BTW I already regret to have answered to your question.


Why should you regret it?

Because, a posteriori, I have been a little bit afraid by your request.

You added to the concensus of the group.


Do you mean that I've joined the herd ?
You didn't habituate me to such crudeness. ;-)

Lionel, your Green Card has blossomed into a forest

I am not going to call Arny's pastor.

If it's really a big problem for you, you'd better call Arnold instead.

This reminds me of a "code of honor". A hundred years ago, people engaged in
duels to settle "questions of honor."
This is not my concern. Look, there are about six or seven people who do 95%
of the posting on this group, a worldwide usenet group. Why is it so small?
I feel that Arny has cast a pall (shadow, umbra) over this group, because
unlike the rest of us here, there is some darkness in his soul that runs
deep to the bone. Arny is in tremendous pain. So I thought, in terms of
social services that might be available, there is organization in which he
quite literally puts his faith. By extension, the pastor might be someone he
looks up to.

So I put the question to the Group, and I awaited the concensus, which is
very clear. I will not approach the pastor.

The motivation is completely different from the situation with McCarty. In
that case, McCarty actively inteferred with the lives and businesses of very
innocent people. He called police on people. He harassed people in the
middle of the night. Some people he damaged very considerably. Yet all the
while, McCarty himself was a wannabe scammer. Still, in that case, I did not
want to destroy this individual. The screws were tightened very gradually,
each time warning McCarty that if he continued, the circumstances would get
worse for him. It finally ended up at the level of head of government, which
I guess shows, I can talk to anybody .