I've got two MOTU 1224's and a PCI 324 card that I'm no longer using. I'd
like to sell them and donate the entire sale amount to a hurricane relief
fund, where the cash can do some good. If you're interested in these,
let me know. I'm hoping to raise $400 for them, which I think is a very
fair price. If you think that's too high, feel free to make an offer.
I'm not keeping *any* of the money... all going to charity. You can even
pay me with a money order made out to a well-known charity (like the Red
Cross, etc.) so you can be sure the money is really going there, if you
don't trust my motives. I'd like the buyer to be responsible for the
shipping (actual shipping, we can estimate it online). Let me know if
you think you can use these. Thanks.

--Tom
)

"Tom Sullivan" wrote in message
...

I've got two MOTU 1224's and a PCI 324 card that I'm no longer using. I'd
like to sell them and donate the entire sale amount to a hurricane relief
fund, where the cash can do some good. If you're interested in these,
let me know. I'm hoping to raise $400 for them, which I think is a very
fair price. If you think that's too high, feel free to make an offer.
I'm not keeping *any* of the money... all going to charity. You can even
pay me with a money order made out to a well-known charity (like the Red
Cross, etc.) so you can be sure the money is really going there, if you
don't trust my motives. I'd like the buyer to be responsible for the
shipping (actual shipping, we can estimate it online). Let me know if
you think you can use these. Thanks.

--Tom
)


I'll take it, if you're willing to ship to Croatia (USPS Global Express
Mail, EMS) and receive payment via Western Union money order. I could make
the payment today if you reply promptly.

Predrag

HI Tom,

Send me an email - lets talk.

danny (at) taddei (dot) org.

That's a good way to raise money and I am going to start looking for
things I don't need.

"Danny Taddei" wrote in message
ps.com...
HI Tom,

Send me an email - lets talk.

danny (at) taddei (dot) org.

That's a good way to raise money and I am going to start looking for
things I don't need.


Hey, naughty boy! I came first!

Predrag

In some ways the Katrina disaster has brought out the worst in our
democracy. I have heard commentators from both camps try to make
political hay on the backs of the victims. The original poster on this
thread came up with a concrete, verifiable humanitarian gesture. Why on
earth would you mock him? Grow up.

Yes you did. sorry, I actually didn't see your post for some reason.
Have at them and enjoy.

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:12:47 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'll take it, if you're willing to ship to Croatia (USPS Global Express
Mail, EMS) and receive payment via Western Union money order. I could make
the payment today if you reply promptly.

I sincerely hope the OP doesn't fall for this.

A_C

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:12:47 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'll take it, if you're willing to ship to Croatia (USPS Global Express
Mail, EMS) and receive payment via Western Union money order. I could
make
the payment today if you reply promptly.

I sincerely hope the OP doesn't fall for this.

A_C


Care to explain?

Predrag

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:12:47 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'll take it, if you're willing to ship to Croatia (USPS Global Express
Mail, EMS) and receive payment via Western Union money order. I could make
the payment today if you reply promptly.

I sincerely hope the OP doesn't fall for this.

A_C


While Predrag's offer sounds similar to a lot of scam offers, he has been a
contributor to this newsgroup for a long time and my impression of him is
that he is a decent and honest person. It's up to the original poster to
decide but I think that Predrag's offer isn't an attempt at a scam ( or a
joke about a scam as someone else assumed )

Predrag, in case you aren't aware there are a lot of scammers that 'use'
Western Union and are usually from a country different from the buy/seller.
Check out this link http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html or do a
Google search.

Western Union's FAQ :
http://www.westernunion.com/info/faq...asp?country=US


Best of luck!

John L Rice

Agent_C wrote:

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:12:47 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:


I'll take it, if you're willing to ship to Croatia (USPS Global Express
Mail, EMS) and receive payment via Western Union money order. I could make
the payment today if you reply promptly.


I sincerely hope the OP doesn't fall for this.

A_C

A little research "Agent_C"? Predrag has been around these parts for a
long time. I would trust him in a heartbeat.

"John L Rice" wrote in message
...

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:12:47 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'll take it, if you're willing to ship to Croatia (USPS Global Express
Mail, EMS) and receive payment via Western Union money order. I could
make
the payment today if you reply promptly.

I sincerely hope the OP doesn't fall for this.

A_C


While Predrag's offer sounds similar to a lot of scam offers, he has been
a
contributor to this newsgroup for a long time and my impression of him is
that he is a decent and honest person. It's up to the original poster to
decide but I think that Predrag's offer isn't an attempt at a scam ( or a
joke about a scam as someone else assumed )

Predrag, in case you aren't aware there are a lot of scammers that 'use'
Western Union and are usually from a country different from the
buy/seller.
Check out this link http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html or do a
Google search.

Western Union's FAQ :
http://www.westernunion.com/info/faq...asp?country=US


Best of luck!

John L Rice


Thanks for the kind words, John.

I'm well aware of the dangers of fraud using Western Union, but as far as I
understand, it's the buyer that takes the chance, especially if it is the
seller that requests the payment to be made via W.U.

However, the situation that we have here is something completely different.
First of all, this is happening on a public forum, with both parties being
identifiable by their personal names and posting record. Secondly, it goes
without saying that the items would be fully prepaid. The third and maybe
most important moment here is the fact that choice of W.U. as the payment
method not only facilitates the quickest possible, virtually instantaneous
transfer of money, but also reflects the nature of intentions and the level
of trust on the buyer's side. Bear in mind that there's no mechanism for the
buyer(s) to get their money back in case of a deal going wrong. Western
Union never puts the person receiving the money (the seller) at risk.

Predrag

"Danny Taddei" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yes you did. sorry, I actually didn't see your post for some reason.
Have at them and enjoy.


No big deal. I figured you probably have other ways of contributing, whereas
this seems to be the only thing I can do right now.

Either of us can buy that stuff on Ebay at any time, but that's not the
point here.

Cheers,

Predrag

Apparently I have totally misjudged you. I assumed you were doing
"schtick" responding to the offer. I stand corrected and apologize.

"kellykevm" wrote in message
oups.com...
Apparently I have totally misjudged you. I assumed you were doing
"schtick" responding to the offer. I stand corrected and apologize.


No offense taken.

I'm surprised to find out that Western Union has such a bad reputation. It's
a valuable service and a rather transparent one. It's currently the only
legal method of payment available to me for private international
transactions like this one.

Again, please note that it's only the cases where the seller insists on
being paid in advance via Western Union that should be approached with
extreme caution. By the same token, there's virtually no risk for the
sellers unless they agree or insist on shipping the items before receiving
payment. But why do that?

Predrag

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:16:30 -0700, "John L Rice"
wrote:

While Predrag's offer sounds similar to a lot of scam offers, he has been a
contributor to this newsgroup for a long time and my impression of him is
that he is a decent and honest person.


That being the case, I apologize.

It just sounded _so_ identical to the scams I fight-of all day long in
my mailbox and on eBay, identical.

A_C

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:16:30 -0700, "John L Rice"
wrote:

While Predrag's offer sounds similar to a lot of scam offers, he has been
a
contributor to this newsgroup for a long time and my impression of him is
that he is a decent and honest person.


That being the case, I apologize.

It just sounded _so_ identical to the scams I fight-of all day long in
my mailbox and on eBay, identical.

A_C


I'm sorry for that. I was convinced that it would be clear to everybody that
if the buyer offers to send money in advance via Western Union, there's no
theoretical chance for him to pull a trick, irrespective of the intentions.
On the contrary, once the seller has received the money, the deal is
entirely at his mercy and the buyer is completely unprotected.

I should have mentioned my conspirative Ebay ID, though. It's predrag_trpkov

Predrag

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:14:43 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'm sorry for that. I was convinced that it would be clear to everybody that
if the buyer offers to send money in advance via Western Union, there's no
theoretical chance for him to pull a trick, irrespective of the intentions.
On the contrary, once the seller has received the money, the deal is
entirely at his mercy and the buyer is completely unprotected.

I should have mentioned my conspirative Ebay ID, though. It's predrag_trpkov

No need to apologize, it was my error.

A very common scam involves a forged money order that isn't apparent
until the goods have already been sent. On top of that, it's usually
made out for an amount greater than the purchase and the seller is
induced to send the difference in cash along with the goods.

I got burned on a different type of scam last year to the tune of
$450.00 on eBay, from someone in the Ukraine.

These scams are very, very prevalent in former Soviet block countries.

A_C

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:14:43 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'm sorry for that. I was convinced that it would be clear to everybody
that
if the buyer offers to send money in advance via Western Union, there's
no
theoretical chance for him to pull a trick, irrespective of the
intentions.
On the contrary, once the seller has received the money, the deal is
entirely at his mercy and the buyer is completely unprotected.

I should have mentioned my conspirative Ebay ID, though. It's
predrag_trpkov

No need to apologize, it was my error.

A very common scam involves a forged money order that isn't apparent
until the goods have already been sent. On top of that, it's usually
made out for an amount greater than the purchase and the seller is
induced to send the difference in cash along with the goods.

I got burned on a different type of scam last year to the tune of
$450.00 on eBay, from someone in the Ukraine.

These scams are very, very prevalent in former Soviet block countries.

A_C


Sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry for many honest and decent people in
Ukraine. Life's not easy there, even without the scammers.

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody knows
everybody, almost. Corruption is a serious problem, but it's not easy to
keep pulling typical scams. Still, one can stumble upon a crook everywhere.

Predrag

Predrag Trpkov wrote:

Either of us can buy that stuff on Ebay at any time, but that's not the
point here.

Speaking of Ebay, you can designate the proceeds of anything
you put up for sale there to go toward this problem.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Now that is cool. Thanks for the info - this will give me a good excuse
to start cleaning :-)

"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:14:43 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'm sorry for that. I was convinced that it would be clear to everybody
that
if the buyer offers to send money in advance via Western Union, there's
no
theoretical chance for him to pull a trick, irrespective of the
intentions.
On the contrary, once the seller has received the money, the deal is
entirely at his mercy and the buyer is completely unprotected.

I should have mentioned my conspirative Ebay ID, though. It's
predrag_trpkov

No need to apologize, it was my error.

A very common scam involves a forged money order that isn't apparent
until the goods have already been sent. On top of that, it's usually
made out for an amount greater than the purchase and the seller is
induced to send the difference in cash along with the goods.

I got burned on a different type of scam last year to the tune of
$450.00 on eBay, from someone in the Ukraine.

These scams are very, very prevalent in former Soviet block countries.

A_C


Sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry for many honest and decent people in
Ukraine. Life's not easy there, even without the scammers.

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody knows
everybody, almost. Corruption is a serious problem, but it's not easy to
keep pulling typical scams. Still, one can stumble upon a crook
everywhere.

Predrag


I've also heard that a lot of the Ebay / money order scams originate from
Spain for some reason. ( although I have no doubt that a ton originate from
the US also )

There was a thread earlier this year about how you can deposit a money order
or check at your bank, and they will put the funds in your account, but then
1 week to 3 MONTHs later the bank will pull the funds back out of your
account because the check turned up bad somehow. do a search on Klay
Anderson, I think he was in that thread. I wonder if you can take Western
Union money orders to a Western Union outlet and get cash for it like you
can with US Postal money orders? That way you'll find out immediately if
it's good or not.

Best of luck guys!
--
John L Rice

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:16:30 -0700, "John L Rice"
wrote:
----------8----------------


While Predrag's offer sounds similar to a lot of scam offers, he has been a
contributor to this newsgroup for a long time and my impression of him is
that he is a decent and honest person.

--- I know Predrag personally and I second this. It's probably the
Western Union thing that raised such an instant response. Western
Union is advertised here for any IMO transactions for a long time. I
never used their service though and I only know that there were some
thoughts about.

Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

It's up to the original poster to
decide but I think that Predrag's offer isn't an attempt at a scam ( or a
joke about a scam as someone else assumed )

Predrag, in case you aren't aware there are a lot of scammers that 'use'
Western Union and are usually from a country different from the buy/seller.
Check out this link http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html or do a
Google search.

Western Union's FAQ :
http://www.westernunion.com/info/faq...asp?country=US


Best of luck!

John L Rice

"John L Rice" wrote in message
...

"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:14:43 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'm sorry for that. I was convinced that it would be clear to
everybody
that
if the buyer offers to send money in advance via Western Union,
there's
no
theoretical chance for him to pull a trick, irrespective of the
intentions.
On the contrary, once the seller has received the money, the deal is
entirely at his mercy and the buyer is completely unprotected.

I should have mentioned my conspirative Ebay ID, though. It's
predrag_trpkov

No need to apologize, it was my error.

A very common scam involves a forged money order that isn't apparent
until the goods have already been sent. On top of that, it's usually
made out for an amount greater than the purchase and the seller is
induced to send the difference in cash along with the goods.

I got burned on a different type of scam last year to the tune of
$450.00 on eBay, from someone in the Ukraine.

These scams are very, very prevalent in former Soviet block countries.

A_C


Sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry for many honest and decent people in
Ukraine. Life's not easy there, even without the scammers.

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody
knows
everybody, almost. Corruption is a serious problem, but it's not easy to
keep pulling typical scams. Still, one can stumble upon a crook
everywhere.

Predrag


I've also heard that a lot of the Ebay / money order scams originate from
Spain for some reason. ( although I have no doubt that a ton originate
from
the US also )

There was a thread earlier this year about how you can deposit a money
order
or check at your bank, and they will put the funds in your account, but
then
1 week to 3 MONTHs later the bank will pull the funds back out of your
account because the check turned up bad somehow. do a search on Klay
Anderson, I think he was in that thread. I wonder if you can take
Western
Union money orders to a Western Union outlet and get cash for it like you
can with US Postal money orders? That way you'll find out immediately if
it's good or not.


That's the SOP with Western Union money orders. The sender, after making the
payment at the local W.U. outlet, communicates necessary data (sender's
address, the exact amount, Money Transfer Control Number) to the person
receiving the money. The receiver goes to the nearest W.U. outlet - in
Croatia it's every postal office plus some banks and agencies - enters the
data in the form and produces his/her ID. Voila! The cash changes hands.

The whole procedure, from the sender entering the W.U. outlet to the
receiver on the other side of the globe walking out with the cash in his/her
pocket, could be finished within less than half an hour.

Unlike other methods of payment, where both parties can play tricks on each
other, there's no way the buyer/sender can pull back the money, or even
claim it, once it has been picked up by the seller/receiver. It's an
extremely efficient and transparent system. It's just not designed to
protect buyers from dishonest sellers. Buyers beware.

But the sellers have nothing to worry about.

Predrag

Predrag is a respected member here. A sale to him wouldn't bother me in the
least.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:12:47 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

I'll take it, if you're willing to ship to Croatia (USPS Global Express
Mail, EMS) and receive payment via Western Union money order. I could
make
the payment today if you reply promptly.

I sincerely hope the OP doesn't fall for this.

A_C

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:59:00 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

Sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry for many honest and decent people in
Ukraine. Life's not easy there, even without the scammers.

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody knows
everybody, almost. Corruption is a serious problem, but it's not easy to
keep pulling typical scams. Still, one can stumble upon a crook everywhere.

Your English is very good; were you educated abroad?

A_C

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:59:00 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

Sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry for many honest and decent people in
Ukraine. Life's not easy there, even without the scammers.

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody knows
everybody, almost. Corruption is a serious problem, but it's not easy to
keep pulling typical scams. Still, one can stumble upon a crook
everywhere.

Your English is very good; were you educated abroad?


Thanks. No, I've never spent any longer periods of time in an English
speaking country. I learned the basics at school, but if it's any good, it's
mostly thanks to the passion for the music and, for the past 6 years, the
Internet.

Predrag

Predrag Trpkov wrote:

"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:59:00 +0200, "Predrag Trpkov"
wrote:

Sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry for many honest and decent people in
Ukraine. Life's not easy there, even without the scammers.

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody knows
everybody, almost. Corruption is a serious problem, but it's not easy to
keep pulling typical scams. Still, one can stumble upon a crook
everywhere.

Your English is very good; were you educated abroad?

Thanks. No, I've never spent any longer periods of time in an English
speaking country. I learned the basics at school, but if it's any good, it's
mostly thanks to the passion for the music and, for the past 6 years, the
Internet.

Predrag

Any good ?

Your written English far exceeds the standard of most English speaking posters
IMHO.

Graham

"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody knows
everybody, almost.
Predrag


Hey Predrag,

My mom's parents came over from Yugoslavia in the early part of the last
century. ( specifically they were Dalmatian ) In the states they went by the
name of Vitalich but originally it was spelled/pronounced Vitalick or
similar. Know any of my relatives? ;-)

--
John L Rice

"John L Rice" wrote in message
...

"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody
knows
everybody, almost.
Predrag


Hey Predrag,

My mom's parents came over from Yugoslavia in the early part of the last
century. ( specifically they were Dalmatian ) In the states they went by
the
name of Vitalich but originally it was spelled/pronounced Vitalick or
similar. Know any of my relatives? ;-)


OK, it's not that small

Dalmatia is part of Croatia, the southern half of the coastal region. It's
one of the most beautiful places on Earth. Emerald-colored sea, hundreds of
scenic islands plus Dubrovnik. But the life was tough a hundred years ago.
There was no tourism back then, people were hungry, hence mass emigration.

I live on the Adriatic coast too, but further up north, near Rijeka. I found
only one person by that name (Vitaljic, Jelka) in the telephone book for my
area, but can investigate further if you're interested.

Predrag

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:44:56 -0700, "John L Rice"
wrote:


"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody knows
everybody, almost.
Predrag


Hey Predrag,

My mom's parents came over from Yugoslavia in the early part of the last
century. ( specifically they were Dalmatian ) In the states they went by the
name of Vitalich but originally it was spelled/pronounced Vitalick or
similar. Know any of my relatives? ;-)

{Maybe Predrag will know something about this too, but I take the
freedom to jump in}

-- Looking in the local telephone directory, I've found many names
Vitaljic (Vitalyich). In fact, there's only one name in Vitalich
(without that "y") and it's from Istria peninsula. There's also one
Vitaljic family listed in Barban, Istria (near town of Pula), where my
mother is from

But the majority of Vitaljic seems to be from town of Komiza, island
Vis in Dalmatia. A beautiful island, many years a naval base forbidden
to tourists and recently discovered as a gem. Here's a web page -- in
Croatian only -- but there are some pictures of Komiza and the owner
of the tourist agency is Sandra Vitaljic (so she could be of some help
too if you'd wish to).

http://www.srebrnatours.hr/hrvnaslovna.htm

Edi Zubovic. Crikvenica, Croatia

"Edi Zubovic" edi.zubovic[rem wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:44:56 -0700, "John L Rice"
wrote:


"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody
knows
everybody, almost.
Predrag


Hey Predrag,

My mom's parents came over from Yugoslavia in the early part of the last
century. ( specifically they were Dalmatian ) In the states they went by
the
name of Vitalich but originally it was spelled/pronounced Vitalick or
similar. Know any of my relatives? ;-)

{Maybe Predrag will know something about this too, but I take the
freedom to jump in}

-- Looking in the local telephone directory, I've found many names
Vitaljic (Vitalyich). In fact, there's only one name in Vitalich
(without that "y") and it's from Istria peninsula. There's also one
Vitaljic family listed in Barban, Istria (near town of Pula), where my
mother is from

But the majority of Vitaljic seems to be from town of Komiza, island
Vis in Dalmatia. A beautiful island, many years a naval base forbidden
to tourists and recently discovered as a gem. Here's a web page -- in
Croatian only -- but there are some pictures of Komiza and the owner
of the tourist agency is Sandra Vitaljic (so she could be of some help
too if you'd wish to).

http://www.srebrnatours.hr/hrvnaslovna.htm

Edi Zubovic. Crikvenica, Croatia


Seen that, John? If we had a third Croatian here on r.a.p., we'd have
probably managed to come up with your family tree by now.

Predrag

A sale is pending on these items. I do not have netnews access from home, so
I am
responding now (Tues. morning). Apologies to those interested who just posted
their
interest here, I'd assumed someone would just send me an email directly if
they wanted
these, as I read email regularly at home. I should have made that clear in my
posts (I know I
did say this explicitly in posts for these on some other forums). I did
include my email
address directly after my signature. When I want to buy something, I always
just email the
person directly if their email address is available (not always the case on
forums).

At any rate, the buyer did email me directly. He is sending payment via
international MO,
so there certainly is no problem on my part selling out of the US. As I don't
have the cash
yet, I've not jumped up and marked this sale as "finalized" but the buyer
sounds like a very
honest guy, so I'm sure all will go well and I"ll be able to make the donation
(100%) by
the end of the week.

Thank you all for your interest. I certainly didn't mean for this to turn
into some kind of
a personal attack on one of the groups members (Predrag). That is an
unfortunate aside to
this that I just learned of a few minutes ago when reading this. My
apologies.

I may have some other items to offer up for donation bucks too. I'm
scrounging around for
things I'm no longer using. Please, in the future for any other items, email
me directly. I'm
always reading email (I need to, for work) but rarely newgroups.

--Tom

Tom Sullivan wrote:

I've got two MOTU 1224's and a PCI 324 card that I'm no longer using. I'd
like to sell them and donate the entire sale amount to a hurricane relief
fund, where the cash can do some good. If you're interested in these,
let me know. I'm hoping to raise $400 for them, which I think is a very
fair price. If you think that's too high, feel free to make an offer.
I'm not keeping *any* of the money... all going to charity. You can even
pay me with a money order made out to a well-known charity (like the Red
Cross, etc.) so you can be sure the money is really going there, if you
don't trust my motives. I'd like the buyer to be responsible for the
shipping (actual shipping, we can estimate it online). Let me know if
you think you can use these. Thanks.

--Tom
)

"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

"Edi Zubovic" edi.zubovic[rem wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:44:56 -0700, "John L Rice"
wrote:


"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

Croatia was a part of Yugoslavia and thus never a part of the Soviet
block.
It's a small country, population four and a half million. Everybody
knows
everybody, almost.
Predrag


Hey Predrag,

My mom's parents came over from Yugoslavia in the early part of the last
century. ( specifically they were Dalmatian ) In the states they went by
the
name of Vitalich but originally it was spelled/pronounced Vitalick or
similar. Know any of my relatives? ;-)

{Maybe Predrag will know something about this too, but I take the
freedom to jump in}

-- Looking in the local telephone directory, I've found many names
Vitaljic (Vitalyich). In fact, there's only one name in Vitalich
(without that "y") and it's from Istria peninsula. There's also one
Vitaljic family listed in Barban, Istria (near town of Pula), where my
mother is from

But the majority of Vitaljic seems to be from town of Komiza, island
Vis in Dalmatia. A beautiful island, many years a naval base forbidden
to tourists and recently discovered as a gem. Here's a web page -- in
Croatian only -- but there are some pictures of Komiza and the owner
of the tourist agency is Sandra Vitaljic (so she could be of some help
too if you'd wish to).

http://www.srebrnatours.hr/hrvnaslovna.htm

Edi Zubovic. Crikvenica, Croatia


Seen that, John? If we had a third Croatian here on r.a.p., we'd have
probably managed to come up with your family tree by now.

Predrag



Hehe! Thanks Predrag and Edi! And yes Edi, my grandparents were originally
from Komiza. After my post here I did some searching around. I found a guy
who's grandparent came over at about the same time from Komiza and he wrote
a short book on the history of his family. I'm going to order one this
week. Here's the link incase anyone is interested ;
http://www.komiza.com/index.html

Also, there are a few people with the name Vitalich ( and various
spellings ) who singed his guest book, and a couple of them I'm pretty sure
are relatives.

Thanks for playing along! I know it's a stupid thing to ask someone from a
large geographic area if they happen to know one particular person but . . .
ya never know! ;-)

--
John L Rice


PS - I was so into my 'roots' that day that I ordered a set of CD's on how
to speak Croatian. Someday I'd like to visit so if I start practicing now .
.. .in a few years I might be able to get by!

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:13:56 -0700, "John L Rice"
wrote:

Hehe! Thanks Predrag and Edi! And yes Edi, my grandparents were originally
from Komiza. After my post here I did some searching around. I found a guy
who's grandparent came over at about the same time from Komiza and he wrote
a short book on the history of his family. I'm going to order one this
week. Here's the link incase anyone is interested ;
http://www.komiza.com/index.html

Also, there are a few people with the name Vitalich ( and various
spellings ) who singed his guest book, and a couple of them I'm pretty sure
are relatives.

Thanks for playing along! I know it's a stupid thing to ask someone from a
large geographic area if they happen to know one particular person but . . .
ya never know! ;-)


I'm glad you were sucessful! -- Yes I've read the article; it is very
interesting indeed.

All the best,

Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

"John L Rice" wrote in message
...
"Predrag Trpkov" wrote in message
...

Seen that, John? If we had a third Croatian here on r.a.p., we'd have
probably managed to come up with your family tree by now.

Predrag



Hehe! Thanks Predrag and Edi! And yes Edi, my grandparents were
originally
from Komiza. After my post here I did some searching around. I found a guy
who's grandparent came over at about the same time from Komiza and he
wrote
a short book on the history of his family. I'm going to order one this
week. Here's the link incase anyone is interested ;
http://www.komiza.com/index.html

Also, there are a few people with the name Vitalich ( and various
spellings ) who singed his guest book, and a couple of them I'm pretty
sure
are relatives.

Thanks for playing along! I know it's a stupid thing to ask someone from
a
large geographic area if they happen to know one particular person but . .
..
ya never know! ;-)



It may be a long shot, but it's not too much to ask and certainly not a
stupid thing. On the contrary.

It also means that if you ever visit Komiza, you wouldn't be surprised if
somebody asked you whether you knew so-and-so person "from America".




John L Rice


PS - I was so into my 'roots' that day that I ordered a set of CD's on how
to speak Croatian. Someday I'd like to visit so if I start practicing now
..
. .in a few years I might be able to get by!



Thumbs up. Just don't let it discourage you if it seems very difficult at
first. It is a bloody difficult language, both to teach and learn. Take it
as a challenge.

Predrag