"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


However in fact, I was the only person there who
presented a
cogent, well-supported explanation of his viewpoint.

Arny, you didn't even present your "true" viewpoint.

How can you say such a thing?

Do you know my viewpoint better than I?

I listened to the mp3 just a week or so ago.

Didn't help your thinking much I see. You still apparently
have delusions of omniscience.

You *do* have a tendency to water-down your petty
bickering,
your bizarre, inconceivable, whining existence when you
are in
a corner, or facing someone in flesh and blood. But,
that's
understandable.

Fella, you're way off topic here. We weren't talking about
your hatred for me, but rather what my viewpoint is.

I did it by effortlessly ..

Are we talking about the same mp3?

JA put forth a valid argument with the amp story,

There was no clearly-stated argument at all, just a
20-year-old anecdote that was inconclusive on the best day
of its life.

and yes, that's how it would *exactly* go down.

You mean that the way the anecdote went down Atkinson was as
weak on scientific investigation then as he is now?

How many times in your
life you selected something and figured out later on that
your
selection was based on the wrong premises?

Many times, but that's not all that relevant in the case of
Atkinson's anecdote. Atkinson blew it by not collecting
reliable information about what was wrong with the Quad
after he determined that there was a problem.

I don't think there
is one single human out there that hasn't gone thorugh
such an
experience. The "wrong premises" above refers to ABX:ing
or
DBT:ing audio equipment. It's just not applicable.

That would be opinion stated as fact with no supporting
evidence provided.

Both of you got excited, couldn't manage to even breathe
properly. It was simple situational fear, I guess.

Well Fella, its easy to be perfect in your mind.

I was just along for the ride.

That "ride" might well be the biggest accomplishment in
your life.

Not hardly. Arguably the biggest accomplishment in my life
is one going on two children with PhDs in Cancer Biology.

Arny Krueger wrote:



How can you say such a thing?

Do you know my viewpoint better than I?

You didn't say that all amps, cd paleyers, etc, sound the same there,
did you? You didn't say wire is wire. That's your viewpoint.



Fella, you're way off topic here.

It's exactly the topic, you are all about argument and whining on the
usenet, behind a keyboard, nothing else. But when you meet someone in
the flesh you water it down to the point where you lose some of the edge
(and I *am* talking about your judgements and views on audio) to make
yourslef more acceptable.


We weren't talking about
your hatred for me, but rather what my viewpoint is.


Those are observations Arny, I don't hate you, not anymore.



You mean that the way the anecdote went down Atkinson was as
weak on scientific investigation then as he is now?

Science itself is weak when it somes to investigating such phenomenon,
yet. Science is about *explaining* real world occurences, real world
phenomenon.

Science is *NOT* about finding a means to force the real world to comply
with a given set of thought.


You practice skcienccence, Arny, not science.


what was wrong with the Quad
after he determined that there was a problem.

I donät think there was anyting wrong wth the quad.


Both of you got excited, couldn't manage to even breathe
properly. It was simple situational fear, I guess.


Well Fella, its easy to be perfect in your mind.


I am not saying that I am the perfect public speaker. I am just saying
that you two were not.





Arguably the biggest accomplishment in my life
is one going on two children with PhDs in Cancer Biology.

That's *their* accomplishment, not yours, and I congratulate them for
it, not you. Let's say that one of them makes a breakthrough
accomplishment and gets awarded the nobel prize. Why not? I wish them
all the luck, and best. In any case, it would not be *you* that would
get that award, it would be given to *them*.

Just be happt that you didn't get in their way. that whatever reason to
spill poison you have, you spilt it on the usenet, and not on them.

Fella said to the Big ****:

I still can't figure out for the life of me what atkinson was thinking
about when he invited you, of all people, to such a debate.

No need to figure -- JA told us explicitly in advance of the debate what his
goals were. The "subjective vs. objective" component was just
window-dressing.

You should be able to find JA's post in Google. I'll make it easy for you:

"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:



How can you say such a thing?

Do you know my viewpoint better than I?

You didn't say that all amps, cd paleyers, etc, sound the
same
there, did you? You didn't say wire is wire. That's your
viewpoint.

Nobody asked.
/
Fella, you're way off topic here.

It's exactly the topic, you are all about argument and
whining
on the usenet, behind a keyboard, nothing else.

Except that isn't true. That's bout you, but not about me.
You and Middius are faceless, soundless dweebs, while pix of
me are posted all over the web, as is a lenthy recording of
me talking about my ideas about audio.

But when you
meet someone in the flesh you water it down to the point
where
you lose some of the edge (and I *am* talking about your
judgements and views on audio) to make yourslef more
acceptable.

We weren't talking about
your hatred for me, but rather what my viewpoint is.

Those are observations Arny,

They are your observations, but you weren't there were you?

I don't hate you, not anymore.

Thank you.

You mean that the way the anecdote went down Atkinson was
as
weak on scientific investigation then as he is now?

Science itself is weak when it somes to investigating such
phenomenon, yet.

It's a lot stronger than the science that yu and Atkinson
are willing or capable of doing.

Science is about *explaining* real world
occurences, real world phenomenon.


I said that at the debate.


Science is *NOT* about finding a means to force the real
world
to comply with a given set of thought.

Right. Science is not about proving the fallacious theories
of mislead audiophiles.

You practice skcienccence, Arny, not science.

Prove it. That's just Middius-gibberish.

what was wrong with the Quad
after he determined that there was a problem.


I donät think there was anyting wrong wth the quad.

Oh you think that Atkinson was hearing problems that didn't
exist?

Both of you got excited, couldn't manage to even breathe
properly. It was simple situational fear, I guess.

Well Fella, its easy to be perfect in your mind.

I am not saying that I am the perfect public speaker. I
am
just saying that you two were not.

That's a trivial observation if there ever was one.

Arguably the biggest accomplishment in my life
is one going on two children with PhDs in Cancer Biology.

That's *their* accomplishment, not yours,

Speaks to your disconnnectedness with child-rearing.

and I congratulate them for it, not you.

They do deserve a lot of credit.

Let's say that one of them makes a
breakthrough accomplishment and gets awarded the nobel
prize.

Unlikely, but a nice thought.

Why not? I wish them all the luck, and best. In any case,
it
would not be *you* that would get that award, it would be
given to *them*.

So, do you think that they will forget their parent's
assistance and guidance?

Just be happt that you didn't get in their way.

Speaks to your disconnnectedness with child-rearing.

that whatever
reason to spill poison you have, you spilt it on the
usenet,
and not on them.

I only tried to provide an antidote for the rats that were
already poisoned.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net wrote in message
news
Fella said to the Big ****:

I still can't figure out for the life of me what atkinson
was
thinking about when he invited you, of all people, to
such a
debate.

No need to figure -- JA told us explicitly in advance of
the
debate what his goals were. The "subjective vs. objective"
component was just window-dressing.

Thanks for admitting that Atkinson is all about window
dressnig.

You should be able to find JA's post in Google. I'll make
it
easy for you:



Middius, that's just more window dressing. I guess you can't
tell the difference between window dressing and substance.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message


It's exactly the topic, you are all about argument and

whining

on the usenet, behind a keyboard, nothing else.


Except that isn't true. That's bout you, but not about me.


Man. You are pointless.

"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message


It's exactly the topic, you are all about argument and

whining

on the usenet, behind a keyboard, nothing else.


Except that isn't true. That's bout you, but not about
me.


Man. You are pointless.

So fella where is your pix? Where is the recording of your
debate with Atkinson?

George M. Middius wrote:


Fella said to the Big ****:


I still can't figure out for the life of me what atkinson was thinking
about when he invited you, of all people, to such a debate.


No need to figure -- JA told us explicitly in advance of the debate what his
goals were. The "subjective vs. objective" component was just
window-dressing.

You should be able to find JA's post in Google. I'll make it easy for you:






Ok, that sheds a bit of a light on things. But still, he knew that Arny
is bereft of any and all human virtue, he DOES NOT give onto ceasar what
is ceasars's, never. Even writing such a thing about him is absurd,
being so obvious. He believes in his own lies, all the while knowing
that they are lies. These are all so obvious points. My point is that
atkinson knew all this as much as anyone else and still gave him the
recognition that he is man enough to sit down and have a debate with. He
actually gave substance to this character. He also knew that in the
aftermath of the debate arny would just go on with his demogogy, his
cop-outs, that he would take cheap shots left and right, and simply deny
and deny and deny and that nothing would change.

Plus, the five-six points he puts forth are not enough to explain why he
specifically chose arny to defend the objectivist viewpoint. Any cause
arny fights for, suffers.

"Fella" wrote in message



Any cause arny fights for, suffers.

That's why ABX rose to be the most commonly-discussed in all
audio groups for all time.

That's why pro-DBT posters are still kicking golden ear butt
over in RAHE.

That's why the general take is that I won the HE2005 debate.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message




Any cause arny fights for, suffers.


That's why ABX rose to be the most commonly-discussed in all
audio groups for all time.

That's why pro-DBT posters are still kicking golden ear butt
over in RAHE.

That's why the general take is that I won the HE2005 debate.



Arny I came back to RAO to ask a couple of questions, opinions about
amps. I read some history, made the mistake of posting a few responses,
got polluted and disgusted yet again by debating with you, and now I am
ready to leave again.

"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message




Any cause arny fights for, suffers.


That's why ABX rose to be the most commonly-discussed in
all
audio groups for all time.

That's why pro-DBT posters are still kicking golden ear
butt
over in RAHE.

That's why the general take is that I won the HE2005
debate.



Arny I came back to RAO to ask a couple of questions,
opinions
about amps. I read some history, made the mistake of
posting a
few responses, got polluted and disgusted yet again by
debating with you, and now I am ready to leave again.

Truth is Fella, you've behaved like a real @$$ every time
you've visited here. With regulars like Morien and Middius,
its not like you're going to drag the place down very much,
whether you go or stay.

Robert Morein said:

This sort of statement is one of those that makes me wish I coulld
reach into the computer and rip out the heart of the person who made
it.

You don't have to. Call me at (215) 646-4894 and do it verbally.

Intense idea. I've always suspected Mickey has a severe stuttering problem. Let
us know either way.

PsychoticBorg ranted:

You should be able to find JA's post in Google. I'll make it
easy for you:


Middius, that's just more window dressing. I guess you can't
tell the difference between window dressing and substance.

Thanks Mr. Kroofeces for admitting that you are more repulsive than the world's
nastiest port-a-potty.

I see you spelled my name correctly today. Did you skip your breakfast turd?

The Big **** does his ****ty thing.

Man. You are pointless.

So fella where is your pix? Where is the recording of your
debate with Atkinson?

How could Turdy have ever convinced himself this is an effective "debating
trade" technique? He tries to undermine every criticism directed at his ****ful
self by demanding the criticizer be an expert in the field. Turdy uses this
dodge for everything, from the godawful design of his horrendous web site to his
screechy, whiney performance in New York, to his extremely feeble attempt to
justify his aBxism ****ware.

On reflection, I think infantile is too simplistic. I'm at a loss, other than
"crazy as a loon".

Fella said:

I still can't figure out for the life of me what atkinson was thinking
about when he invited you, of all people, to such a debate.

No need to figure -- JA told us explicitly in advance of the debate what his
goals were. The "subjective vs. objective" component was just
window-dressing.

You should be able to find JA's post in Google. I'll make it easy for you:


Ok, that sheds a bit of a light on things. But still, he knew that Arny
is bereft of any and all human virtue, he DOES NOT give onto ceasar what
is ceasars's, never. Even writing such a thing about him is absurd,
being so obvious. He believes in his own lies, all the while knowing
that they are lies. These are all so obvious points. My point is that
atkinson knew all this as much as anyone else and still gave him the
recognition that he is man enough to sit down and have a debate with. He
actually gave substance to this character. He also knew that in the
aftermath of the debate arny would just go on with his demogogy, his
cop-outs, that he would take cheap shots left and right, and simply deny
and deny and deny and that nothing would change.

Yes, I think you’re right about all of this. And JA probably agres.

Plus, the five-six points he puts forth are not enough to explain why he
specifically chose arny to defend the objectivist viewpoint. Any cause
arny fights for, suffers.

JA’s real objective was stated in the last point in his post: He wanted Turdy to
say, in person, those slanderous things he’s been saying on Usenet. Such as, to
give a few examples, that JA is a “fraud”, that Stereophile is a criminal
enterprise, that JA “interfered” with Turdborg’s “business”, and that JA emailed
kiddie porn to Mr. ****.

I think he should have confronted Mr. **** directly with those things. JA
probably hoped that after meeting Turdy in person, a détente would result. This
is normal when people who have disagreed come together to find a common ground
and resolve their differences. However, Krooger is too far gone to be interested
in such an outcome, so JA’s decision to keep the actual “debate” on the topics
of “ob. vs. sub” and “testing” may have been just cutting his losses.

Sockpuppet Middius said:

For some reason, you seem to take naturally to Krooger's sadism. Is that a
problem for you in real life?

Thanks for revealing that you view real life as an outsider.

Fella wonders:

I still can't figure out for the life of me what atkinson was thinking
about when he invited you, of all people, to such a debate.

Most likely he was trying to salvage some of his soiled honor, since
he'd run screaming away from such proposals in the past.

He must have
figured it out all thorughout the years that you are scrappy, you are
immature, you lie, you cheat, you are cheap and petty, that you have the
soul of a sewer rat, and that you wouldn't fight like a man, you
wouldn't argue like a man.

You appear to be projecting your own failings and/or JA's. Note that
the debate started out with JA's passive aggressive tactic of not
providing the equipment needed for the power point presentation.

He gave you much more credit and recognition than due your way. And
that's just the simple truth.

If it were the simple truth you wouldn't know it. The fact is JA is by
comparison, technically incompetent. It's not a surprise that you
don't realize that fact.

Was it that he needed to come up with some novelty, some perverted
controversy tio attract more attention to the show, or he was practising
some twisted form of masochism? I wish he would just come out and explain.

Expecting clear concise answers from JA is a pipe dream.

More likely it was an attempt by what's left of his conscience to try
and help save high end audio. Since it is clearly dying on the vine,
between the patronizing way high end dealers tend to talk down to new
customers and the blatent bull**** spewed forth by rags like SP, it
needs all the help it get. Of course the problem is that far too many
people have realized that the majority of high end audio projects are
improved speakers, since only speakers and room acoustics are likely to
really improve the sound of one's hi-fi, the rest is all just smoke and
mirrors, you know it JA knows it, and most of the audio buying public
knows it.

Fella said:

I came back to RAO to ask a couple of questions, opinions about
amps. I read some history, made the mistake of posting a few responses,
got polluted and disgusted yet again by debating with you, and now I am
ready to leave again.

You got your ass handed to you in a proper DBT and then whined about
how no mattter what the comparison showed, you KNOW that one amp is
better than the other, even though you can't hear any differende.

Don't let the door hit your irrational ass on the way out.

Mickey does the "debating trade" dance.

Sockpuppet Middius said:

sneer

For some reason, you seem to take naturally to Krooger's sadism. Is that a
problem for you in real life?

Thanks for revealing that you view real life as an outsider.

Hey, not bad for a first attempt at Kroologic, Mickey. Uh... is it your first
attempt? Your stutter makes it hard to follow your babbling.

"Robert Morein" said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip


This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.

Please stop.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

"Arny Krueger" said:


That's why ABX rose to be the most commonly-discussed in all
audio groups for all time.


That's regrettably true.


That's why pro-DBT posters are still kicking golden ear butt
over in RAHE.

That's why the general take is that I won the HE2005 debate.


Is that why Atkinson, De Paravicini, Levinson, (Bill) Johnson,
Qvortrup et al are famous names in audio, and Krueger, Nousaine,
Ferstler et al are not? ;-)

How come you're not an audio professional, Arny?

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

Sander deWaal said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip

This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.
Please stop.

Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in Bob's wounds regarding his
lawsuit? If so, how much below?

I'm not saying Bob's comment is OK. But it didn't come out of the blue.

After a certain amount of Krooger's krapola, people just get disgusted and hit
him back as hard as they can. It's human nature. Krooger, being an implacable
paranoid whackjob, is bereft of any feelings, or even a soul, in my opinion.
That quality renders him immune to both empathy and sympathy.

George M. Middius wrote:
The Terrierborg is sniffing at the trail but coming up empty.

with that lie about the existence of a "Supreme Court
Decision." It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason.

Why let him know so obviously that it worked?

For some reason, you seem to take naturally to Krooger's sadism.

Take naturally to?

When there is so much real sadism in the world, don't you think
letting someone get to you on usenet isn't being just a bit to
vulnerable?

Is that a
problem for you in real life?

No, people in no real position of authority can't bother me.

ScottW

Sander deWaal said:

That's why the general take is that I won the HE2005 debate.

Is that why Atkinson, De Paravicini, Levinson, (Bill) Johnson,
Qvortrup et al are famous names in audio, and Krueger, Nousaine,
Ferstler et al are not? ;-)

Excuse me Mr. DeWell but its like you don't know an omh form a vlot. LOt"S!

The turth Mr. Dwlela is a little too painful for you isn't it Mr. Sander's? Its
like Arnii Krooger is not, known thorgh-out Detroit for his expertiese at organ
recital's. Thanks Mr. Dowall for admitting you're golden ear's are, actually
more like tin with, should we say phospheruss or tell the truth? LOl! ;-)

;-)

How come you're not an audio professional, Arny?

That is such a silly question. You must be joking. How can you be so obtuse. The
answer to that is extremely self-evident and obvious, too, also.

Good grief.

George Middius said:


Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in Bob's wounds regarding his
lawsuit? If so, how much below?


IMO, the two are in no way comparable.
Apparently, Bob and you think differently.

One of these days, Bob may read his posts again and bow his head in
remorse, because it's all in Google for years to come.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message


George Middius said:

Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in
Bob's
wounds regarding his lawsuit? If so, how much below?

IMO, the two are in no way comparable.

Good call.

Apparently, Bob and you think differently.

It's not to their credit.

One of these days, Bob may read his posts again and bow
his
head in remorse, because it's all in Google for years to
come.

That would require insight and introspection that is
demonstrably well beyond either Middius or Morein.

Middius and Morein are great Atkinson supporters, aren't
they? They do his dirty work for him, and proudly at that!

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:05:28 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

"Robert Morein" said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip


This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.

Please stop.

Agreed. Strongly.

Robert Morein siad:



wrote in message


ups.com...

Robert Morein? said:

What do you remember about his last minutes?

To which I replied:

This sort of statement is one of those that makes me wish I coulld
reach into the computer and rip out the heart of the person who made
it.

Thereupon prompting him to reply thusly:

You don't have to. Call me at (215) 646-4894 and do it verbally.

Sorry Bob but that wouldn't give me nearly the results I think you
deserve for your complete and utter cruelty. Obviously you never had a
child. If you think comparing your asinine loser case being made fun
of, is in any way comproable to the statements you made about Nate, are
in any way fair, then you truly are beneath contempt.

You may consider yourself and Middius, equals now that you have hit
rock bottom.

"Arny Krueger" said:

Middius and Morein are great Atkinson supporters, aren't
they? They do his dirty work for him, and proudly at that!


Why do you have to drag Atkinson in?
You think Atkinson is a two-faced Janus or something?
One side Atkinson the gentleman, the other side
Middius/Sackman/Weil/Morein/Phillips the flamer?

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

George Middius said:

Excuse me Mr. DeWell but its like you don't know an omh form a vlot. LOt"S!


Baloney, pal. And read my books, note.


The turth Mr. Dwlela is a little too painful for you isn't it Mr. Sander's? Its
like Arnii Krooger is not, known thorgh-out Detroit for his expertiese at organ
recital's. Thanks Mr. Dowall for admitting you're golden ear's are, actually
more like tin with, should we say phospheruss or tell the truth? LOl! ;-)


Like the moon is made of green cheese, slick.
However, all decent subwoofers sound alike in my room, at least when I
give full throttle, you will note.


That is such a silly question. You must be joking. How can you be so obtuse. The
answer to that is extremely self-evident and obvious, too, also.


In my book, "The Sensible Audio Clown", note, I anticipated questions
like this, pal.
I'll forward this conversation to Guglielmo Marconi and Thomas, A.
Edison, to name just two of the famous audio professionals I
interviewed in my time as a librarian, note.

Haw haw haw.


Good grief.


Learn to write.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

George Middius wrote:
Sander deWaal said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip

This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.
Please stop.

Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in Bob's wounds regarding his
lawsuit? If so, how much below?

You really advocate people using Arny to establish acceptable
standards of conduct?


I'm not saying Bob's comment is OK. But it didn't come out of the blue.

Sure... Arny made him do it.

ScottW

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" said:

Middius and Morein are great Atkinson supporters, aren't
they? They do his dirty work for him, and proudly at
that!


Why do you have to drag Atkinson in?

Because the Atkinson/Middius alliance is obvious and should
be well-known.

You think Atkinson is a two-faced Janus or something?

Dooh.

One side Atkinson the gentleman, the other side
Middius/Sackman/Weil/Morein/Phillips the flamer?

I think Atkinson finds their RAO activities to be in
accordance with his preferences. On occasions he's expressed
his appreciation to some or all of them here or in other
public places.

"ScottW" wrote in message
ups.com
George Middius wrote:
Sander deWaal said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip

This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.
Please stop.

Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in
Bob's
wounds regarding his lawsuit? If so, how much below?

You really advocate people using Arny to establish
acceptable
standards of conduct?

One would think that self-professed judges and paragons of
moral virtue such as Morein and Middius would be able to
keep their standards of behavior above mine. In fact this
place has a separate standard for me that is way higher than
many others.

I'm not saying Bob's comment is OK. But it didn't come
out of
the blue.

No, it came out of the blackness of Morein's heart. Morein
thinks he can say what he will to me or about me and it's
fully justified. Middius and Sackman apparently believe the
same thing.

I can go for weeks without mentioning him or dealing with
Morien in any way, and all of the sudden he can spout off
some foul thing about me out of the blue.

Sure... Arny made him do it.

Do you really feel that way, Scotty or is this well-founded
sarcasm?

"Arny Krueger" said:

Middius and Morein are great Atkinson supporters, aren't
they? They do his dirty work for him, and proudly at that!

Why do you have to drag Atkinson in?

Because the Atkinson/Middius alliance is obvious and should
be well-known.


Alliance as in: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
Be careful not to paint with too broad a brush.


You think Atkinson is a two-faced Janus or something?

Dooh.


Hmmm.......


One side Atkinson the gentleman, the other side
Middius/Sackman/Weil/Morein/Phillips the flamer?

I think Atkinson finds their RAO activities to be in
accordance with his preferences. On occasions he's expressed
his appreciation to some or all of them here or in other
public places.


On other occasions he's expressed his disagreement with what was said
about your son.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

Arny Krueger wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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George Middius wrote:
Sander deWaal said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip

This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.
Please stop.

Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in
Bob's
wounds regarding his lawsuit? If so, how much below?

You really advocate people using Arny to establish
acceptable
standards of conduct?

One would think that self-professed judges and paragons of
moral virtue such as Morein and Middius would be able to
keep their standards of behavior above mine. In fact this
place has a separate standard for me that is way higher than
many others.

Your problem is you have a separate standard of behavior for this place
that is way below any other places.


I'm not saying Bob's comment is OK. But it didn't come
out of
the blue.

No, it came out of the blackness of Morein's heart. Morein
thinks he can say what he will to me or about me and it's
fully justified. Middius and Sackman apparently believe the
same thing.

I can go for weeks without mentioning him or dealing with
Morien in any way, and all of the sudden he can spout off
some foul thing about me out of the blue.

Sure... Arny made him do it.

Do you really feel that way, Scotty or is this well-founded
sarcasm?

I was being sarcastic. But the same sarcasm can equally be applied to
you. You have tried similar justifications for yourself.

ScottW

"ScottW" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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George Middius wrote:
Sander deWaal said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip

This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.
Please stop.

Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in
Bob's
wounds regarding his lawsuit? If so, how much below?

You really advocate people using Arny to establish
acceptable
standards of conduct?

One would think that self-professed judges and paragons
of
moral virtue such as Morein and Middius would be able to
keep their standards of behavior above mine. In fact this
place has a separate standard for me that is way higher
than
many others.

Your problem is you have a separate standard of behavior
for
this place that is way below any other places.

When in Rome, Scotty...

Everybody can see that Middius and his clique set the moral
pace around here. I can not post here for days even weeks
and Middius goes on and on about me.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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George Middius wrote:
Sander deWaal said:

How is Nate doing these days? snip

This is below anything, Bob, I'm disappionted in you.
Please stop.

Is it really below Krooger's attempt to pour salt in
Bob's
wounds regarding his lawsuit? If so, how much below?

You really advocate people using Arny to establish
acceptable
standards of conduct?

One would think that self-professed judges and paragons
of
moral virtue such as Morein and Middius would be able to
keep their standards of behavior above mine. In fact this
place has a separate standard for me that is way higher
than
many others.

Your problem is you have a separate standard of behavior
for
this place that is way below any other places.

When in Rome, Scotty...

Everybody can see that Middius and his clique set the moral
pace around here. I can not post here for days even weeks
and Middius goes on and on about me.


And many say that you do. Both you and Middius have accused me of
being on the other side.

I think you both suck by letting your own moral standards be decayed
by someone else.

Arny at the Pearly Gates:

St. Peter: So Arny...before you get in we want to know why you were
such an asshole to so many people on RAO?

Arny: Uuuhhh... well yeah Peter... I was a bit of a dick but that
Middius guy was a real jerk and he had at least a half dozen sock
puppets beating me to a pulp....

Peter: So you think it was Ok to be a jerk because someone else was?
See Arny... everyone faces a test of their moral fiber sometime on
earth. RAO was your test on earth Arny. Sorry.

ScottW

wrote:
Fella said:


I came back to RAO to ask a couple of questions, opinions about
amps. I read some history, made the mistake of posting a few responses,
got polluted and disgusted yet again by debating with you, and now I am
ready to leave again.


You got your ass handed to you in a proper DBT


Duhmickey jumps in to save the day...


Don't let the door hit your irrational ass on the way out.


I aint goin nowhere you two-bit cocksucker.

wrote:


You appear to be projecting your own failings and/or JA's...

Yeah duhmickey, you two-bit cocksucker, keep it up, perhaps JA will
invite you to his next debate?

"ScottW" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:

Everybody can see that Middius and his clique set the
moral
pace around here. I can not post here for days even weeks
and Middius goes on and on about me.

And many say that you do.

How many are there of them and how many of them are there of
me? Well, you answered that Scotty there are many of them
and one of me. So where do they get off for what they do?

Both you and Middius have accused me of being on the
other side.

Probably because you are so wishy-washy, Scotty.

I think you both suck by letting your own moral standards
be
decayed by someone else.

Nice job of not taking responsibility for your own
culpability in the matter, Scotty.