I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?

Arny Krueger wrote:
I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?


Probably a form of the Aiken Strategy:


http://tinyurl.com/7qsuy


That's about all he *can* do, aside from pandering to his cheering
section of deluded ignoramases.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?


Probably a form of the Aiken Strategy:


http://tinyurl.com/7qsuy


That's about all he *can* do, aside from pandering to his
cheering section of deluded ignoramases.

No, I think we see a new strategy evolving - Atkinson is now
claiming that he and some other RAO regular thought the
whole thing up, including his lame showing and the missing
equipment, last fall.

Arny Krueger wrote:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?


Probably a form of the Aiken Strategy:


http://tinyurl.com/7qsuy


That's about all he *can* do, aside from pandering to his
cheering section of deluded ignoramases.

No, I think we see a new strategy evolving - Atkinson is now
claiming that he and some other RAO regular thought the
whole thing up, including his lame showing and the missing
equipment, last fall.


Apparently, I've missed all this....can you point me in the right
direction?

dick Malesweski asks his new best friend:

Apparently, I've missed all this....can you point me in the right
direction?



Dumb and Dumber.

:-D

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Arny Krueger wrote:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?


Probably a form of the Aiken Strategy:


http://tinyurl.com/7qsuy


That's about all he *can* do, aside from pandering to
his
cheering section of deluded ignoramases.

No, I think we see a new strategy evolving - Atkinson is
now
claiming that he and some other RAO regular thought the
whole thing up, including his lame showing and the
missing
equipment, last fall.

Apparently, I've missed all this....can you point me in
the
right direction?

I was kidding about the missing equipment, but here's what I
think is the inaugural post for Atkinson's new revisionist
history of the event. Note that he's neatly avoiding
explaining the previous failed attempts at setting up a
debate with him.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...98a716fedd3765

I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.


What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?

Lessee, since SP and Atkinson seem to be about style over substance,
and based on the seemingly snide comment about you in the most recent
issue, it could be any of the following:

1. He dresses better.
2. He has a more pleasant sounding voice.
3. He's big time magazine guy.
4. He looks god with his beard.
5. Lots of people agree with him.
6. Dammit, he knows what sounds good even if he can't
prove it.
7. He's British.

On technical merit of course, he's out in the cold.

"Arny Krueger" wrote

CLAIM:
No, I think we see a new strategy evolving - Atkinson is
now
claiming that he and some other RAO regular thought the
whole thing up, including his lame showing and the
missing
equipment, last fall.

PARTIAL RETRACTION:
I was kidding about the missing equipment, but here's what I
think is the inaugural post for Atkinson's new revisionist
history of the event. Note that he's neatly avoiding
explaining the previous failed attempts at setting up a
debate with him.

COMPLETE LACK OF SUPPORT FOR CLAIM:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...98a716fedd3765


Your buddy Malesweski forces your hand and you got nothing.
Maybe a little more private email is in order to avoid more public
embarrassment. :-D

"sam" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote

CLAIM:
No, I think we see a new strategy evolving - Atkinson
is
now
claiming that he and some other RAO regular thought the
whole thing up, including his lame showing and the
missing
equipment, last fall.

PARTIAL RETRACTION:
I was kidding about the missing equipment, but here's
what I
think is the inaugural post for Atkinson's new
revisionist
history of the event. Note that he's neatly avoiding
explaining the previous failed attempts at setting up a
debate with him.

COMPLETE LACK OF SUPPORT FOR CLAIM:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...98a716fedd3765

Well Surf, its just another reason to write you off for
inability to discern the obvious.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?

Maybe he won't.
Although I am partial to Atkinson's point of view, neither of you did a
particularly good job of defending your points of view.
At best, Arny, you could have been the better presenter. If nothing else, it
shows an interesting dichotomy between your behavior "here", and in a public
forum.
Here, before thousands of lurkers, and for Google's everlasting record, you
choose to project a belligerent, ugly countenance.
There, before a much smaller audience, you chose to be a polite, slightly
effective advocate of your point of view.
It is strange that you choose here to project an image that is so
disadvantageous to you. Obviously, for one hour, you were aware of how a
human being should act, if for no other reason than self interest. Here, the
same awareness eludes you.

"Robert Morein" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

What Grounds Will Atkinson Use To Claim Victory At The
HE2005 Debate?

Maybe he won't.

That would be uncharacteristically realistic of him.

Although I am partial to Atkinson's point of view, neither
of
you did a particularly good job of defending your points
of
view.

As compared to what?

At best, Arny, you could have been the better presenter.
If
nothing else, it shows an interesting dichotomy between
your
behavior "here", and in a public forum.

Keeping the flaming idiots under control helps me get my job
done better.

Here, before thousands of lurkers, and for Google's
everlasting record, you choose to project a belligerent,
ugly
countenance.

As compared to what?

There, before a much smaller audience, you chose to be a
polite, slightly effective advocate of your point of view.

As compared to what?

It is strange that you choose here to project an image
that is
so disadvantageous to you.

Just goes to show that I think of RAO.

Obviously, for one hour, you were
aware of how a human being should act, if for no other
reason
than self interest.

Had you, Middius or Weil been there, things might have been
different. As things were, Fremer and Harry did a good job
of keeping the flaming a-hole count up.

Here, the same awareness eludes you.

Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision. I was found not guilty of murdering
my dead son, Nate.

Arny, you are reverting to the typical sociopathic lying weasel that you are
so widely known to be. There was no Supreme Court decision, but that doesn't
stop a psychopath like you.

I engaged in a battle to establish new common law, and I failed.
The Supreme Court hears between 1% nd 2% of the appeals presented to them.
They did not choose to hear my case. The fact that my case was not chosen
for review is not a shameful thing. I take pride that I fought a good
battle, and I certainly don't go around cursing the law of the land.

It is worth noting that we won in the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas.
Since the case was not heard, no precedent was established.

More kraziness from the Krooborg.

Keeping the flaming idiots under control helps me get my job
done better.

Arnii, you've mentioned your "Usenet career" on several previous occasions.
You've also referred to your Usenet "work" and your "business" as if you had
some financial stake in trivial arguments. Now you say you have a "job" on
Usenet.

Has it ever occurred to you that you're not right in the head?

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


More kraziness from the Krooborg.

Keeping the flaming idiots under control helps me get my job
done better.

Arnii, you've mentioned your "Usenet career" on several previous
occasions.
You've also referred to your Usenet "work" and your "business" as if you
had
some financial stake in trivial arguments. Now you say you have a "job" on
Usenet.

Has it ever occurred to you that you're not right in the head?

He is nuts, and yet, he managed to stuff it for the debate.
What makes these nuts think it's OK to take their clothes off in front of
thousands of people?

"Robert Morein" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision.


interjected by Bob Morien - that paragon of normalicy I
was found not guilty of murdering my dead son, Nate.

Arny, you are reverting to the typical sociopathic lying
weasel that you are so widely known to be. There was no
Supreme Court decision, but that doesn't stop a psychopath
like you.

Sure there was a Supreme Court decision- a decision to not
hear your case because it was beneath their dignity. Smart
men, those supremes!

I engaged in a battle to establish new common law, and I
failed.

For your next trick Bob, why not try to fly to the moon
under your own power?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision.


interjected by Bob Morien - that paragon of normalicy I
was found not guilty of murdering my dead son, Nate.

Arny, you are reverting to the typical sociopathic lying
weasel that you are so widely known to be. There was no
Supreme Court decision, but that doesn't stop a psychopath
like you.

Sure there was a Supreme Court decision- a decision to not
hear your case because it was beneath their dignity. Smart
men, those supremes!

Sorry, that's not a decision.
A decision is a written court opinion on the case.

How is Nate doing these days? Do you think he's black and dessicated, or has
the flesh fallen completely off his bones?
Do you like the idea of fungus growing out of one of his eye sockets?

Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision. I was found not guilty of murdering
my dead son, Nate.

No end to real sickness here.

ScottW

"Robert Morein" wrote in
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How is Nate doing these days? Do you think he's black and
dessicated, or has the flesh fallen completely off his
bones?

Nate was cremated and the ashes were scattered over certain
famous sand dunes in western Michigan, certain portions of
the Pacific seashore in California, and on the top of a
certain famous mountain in Pennsylvania.

Do you like the idea of fungus growing out of one of his
eye sockets?

Just one of your fantasies, eh my pesky little normal?

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Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make
his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of
self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision. I was found not
guilty
of murdering my dead son, Nate.

No end to real sickness here.

Scott, your good friend Middius opened the door to all of
this, Scotty. Your other good friend Art thinks Mididus
always really funny.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote
in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make
his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of
self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision. I was found not
guilty
of murdering my dead son, Nate.

No end to real sickness here.

Scott, your good friend Middius opened the door to all of
this, Scotty. Your other good friend Art thinks Mididus
always really funny.

Once again you're only half right.

ScottW

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in
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How is Nate doing these days? Do you think he's black and
dessicated, or has the flesh fallen completely off his
bones?

Nate was cremated and the ashes were scattered over certain
famous sand dunes in western Michigan, certain portions of
the Pacific seashore in California, and on the top of a
certain famous mountain in Pennsylvania.

Do you like the idea of fungus growing out of one of his
eye sockets?

Just one of your fantasies, eh my pesky little normal?

Not at all. Did he die at home?

What do you remember about his last minutes? Labored breathing, gasping,
then, perhaps, a ten second pause? He takes what appears to be a normal
breath, and then lies quiet, with only the whites of his eyes showing,
through half-open lids?

Scottieborg said:

Scott, your good friend Middius opened the door to all of
this, Scotty. Your other good friend Art thinks Mididus
always really funny.

Once again you're only half right.

Which half? It sounds 100% wrong to me. It was Krooger who used his poor
dead son as a trolling device on RAO, not I. And I'm pretty sure Art doesn't
always find me funny (assuming that's who Mr. **** meant by "Mididus").

So both klaims are entirely Krooful, i.e. they're Bull****! Bull****!
Bull****! Oh, sorry, you wouldn't get that reference. I'll bet you're a
powerful ass, though. Did you get that one?

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Robert Morein wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision. I was found not guilty of
murdering
my dead son, Nate.

No end to real sickness here.

ScottW

He just ****ed me off with that lie about the existence of a "Supreme Court
Decision." It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason.

Robert Morein? said:

What do you remember about his last minutes?

This sort of statement is one of those that makes me wish I coulld
reach into the computer and rip out the heart of the person who made
it.

Robert Morein said:

He just ****ed me off with that lie about the existence of a "Supreme Court
Decision." It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason

Thank you for once again revealing that you feel you must sink lower
than than your imagined opponent.

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Robert Morein? said:

What do you remember about his last minutes?

This sort of statement is one of those that makes me wish I coulld
reach into the computer and rip out the heart of the person who made
it.

You don't have to. Call me at (215) 646-4894 and do it verbally.

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Robert Morein said:

He just ****ed me off with that lie about the existence of a "Supreme
Court
Decision." It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason

Thank you for once again revealing that you feel you must sink lower
than than your imagined opponent.

Give Arny some of your time.

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Did he die at home?

No.

What do you remember about his last minutes?

I wasn't present.

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Robert Morein? said:

What do you remember about his last minutes?

This sort of statement is one of those that makes me wish
I
coulld reach into the computer and rip out the heart of
the
person who made it.

In Bob's case, there is nothing to rip. Ditto for the
brain.

"Robert Morein" wrote in
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He just ****ed me off with that lie about the existence of
a
"Supreme Court Decision."

No lie, fact. They decided to not hear your case Robert.

It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason.

Well Bob, your comments didn't cause me any pain. But thanks
for admitting that was you goal.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
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Scottieborg said:

Scott, your good friend Middius opened the door to all of
this, Scotty. Your other good friend Art thinks Mididus
always really funny.

Once again you're only half right.

Which half?
It sounds 100% wrong to me. It was Krooger who used his poor
dead son as a trolling device on RAO, not I. And I'm pretty sure Art
doesn't
always find me funny (assuming that's who Mr. **** meant by "Mididus").

So both klaims are entirely Krooful, i.e. they're Bull****! Bull****!
Bull****! Oh, sorry, you wouldn't get that reference. I'll bet you're a
powerful ass, though. Did you get that one?

I was only referring to his reference to you as my friend.
Thanks for proving my point.

ScottW

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"Robert Morein" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I believe JA just bragged that he was going to make his
epochal statement about the HE2005 debate shortly.

[snip]
Bob, as if you are any kind of paragon of self-awareness.
Three words: Supreme Court Decision. I was found not guilty of
murdering
my dead son, Nate.

No end to real sickness here.

ScottW

He just ****ed me off

Letting him do that is letting him dictate your behavior.

with that lie about the existence of a "Supreme Court
Decision." It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason.

Why let him know so obviously that it worked?

ScottW

Scottie, are you worried about cooties?

Scott, your good friend Middius opened the door to all of
this, Scotty. Your other good friend Art thinks Mididus
always really funny.

Once again you're only half right.

Which half? It sounds 100% wrong to me. It was Krooger who used his poor
dead son as a trolling device on RAO, not I. And I'm pretty sure Art
doesn't always find me funny (assuming that's who Mr. **** meant by "Mididus").

So both klaims are entirely Krooful, i.e. they're Bull****! Bull****!
Bull****! Oh, sorry, you wouldn't get that reference. I'll bet you're a
powerful ass, though. Did you get that one?

I was only referring to his reference to you as my friend.
Thanks for proving my point.

Did you take that seriously? I thought Mr. Feces was speaking pejoratively.
But maybe you're right and he can't tell the difference. I suppose that
might be because everybody he thinks is his friend actually hates him.

The Terrierborg is sniffing at the trail but coming up empty.

with that lie about the existence of a "Supreme Court
Decision." It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason.

Why let him know so obviously that it worked?

For some reason, you seem to take naturally to Krooger's sadism. Is that a
problem for you in real life?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote in
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He just ****ed me off with that lie about the existence of
a
"Supreme Court Decision."

No lie, fact. They decided to not hear your case Robert.

No fact, lie. A Supreme Court Decision occurs only in trial. But that is
typical of you, Arny. You're a psychopathic liar.

It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no other
reason.

Well Bob, your comments didn't cause me any pain. But thanks
for admitting that was you goal.

You're welcome. What did Nate die of?

"Robert Morein" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Robert Morein" wrote
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He just ****ed me off with that lie about the existence
of a
"Supreme Court Decision."

No lie, fact. They decided to not hear your case Robert.

No fact, lie. A Supreme Court Decision occurs only in
trial.
But that is typical of you, Arny. You're a psychopathic
liar.

There's no lie, Bob. I've explained exactly what I meant and
you agree 100% with the details of my explanation.

You are nuts Robert. You are nuts about audio, and have been
for years. You have been nuts with hatred of me for years
because of my opinions about audio. You were nuts to try to
force Drexel to give you a PhD in court, and you were doubly
nuts to pursue it up to the Supreme Court of the US. Ask 100
sucessful PhD candidates and you'll probably find that
virtually all of them will agree with my asessment. Remember
that in my family and circle of friends and associates, PhD
candidates have this strong tendency to succeed.

It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and for no
other
reason.

Well Bob, your comments didn't cause me any pain. But
thanks
for admitting that was you goal.

You're welcome. What did Nate die of?

Brain hemhorrage. This article describes his condition:

http://aplasticcentral.com/avm/

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He just ****ed me off

Letting him do that is letting him dictate your behavior.

Not only that, it caused him to figuratively wet himself in
public.

But Robert is prone to do that, anyway.

with that lie about the existence of a "Supreme Court
Decision." It was irrelvant, intended to cause pain, and
for
no other reason.

Bob has this problem with the facts. Of course many facts
relating to the choices he's made aren't very pretty.

Why let him know so obviously that it worked?

Because he's out of control. He's nuts. He's also very
immature.

Arny Krueger wrote:

I believe JA just bragged that...

I still can't figure out for the life of me what atkinson was thinking
about when he invited you, of all people, to such a debate. He must have
figured it out all thorughout the years that you are scrappy, you are
immature, you lie, you cheat, you are cheap and petty, that you have the
soul of a sewer rat, and that you wouldn't fight like a man, you
wouldn't argue like a man.

He gave you much more credit and recognition than due your way. And
that's just the simple truth.

Was it that he needed to come up with some novelty, some perverted
controversy tio attract more attention to the show, or he was practising
some twisted form of masochism? I wish he would just come out and explain.

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I still can't figure out for the life of me what atkinson
was
thinking about when he invited you, of all people, to such
a
debate.

I agree. I figured he'd take a drubbing if he was prepared
for the debate, but he wasn't even prepared.

He must have figured it out all thorughout the years
that you are scrappy, you are immature, you lie, you
cheat,
you are cheap and petty, that you have the soul of a sewer
rat, and that you wouldn't fight like a man, you
wouldn't argue like a man.

However in fact, I was the only person there who presented a
cogent, well-supported explanation of his viewpoint. I did
it by effortlessly deconstructing Atkinson's own description
of what the debate was about.

He gave you much more credit and recognition than due your
way. And that's just the simple truth.

That's his problem. I was just along for the ride.

Was it that he needed to come up with some novelty, some
perverted controversy tio attract more attention to the
show,
or he was practising some twisted form of masochism? I
wish he
would just come out and explain.

I don't think he knows.

Arny Krueger wrote:


However in fact, I was the only person there who presented a
cogent, well-supported explanation of his viewpoint.

Arny, you didn't even present your "true" viewpoint. I listened to the
mp3 just a week or so ago.

You *do* have a tendency to water-down your petty bickering, your
bizarre, inconceivable, whining existence when you are in a corner, or
facing someone in flesh and blood. But, that's understandable.

I did
it by effortlessly ..

Are we talking about the same mp3?

JA put forth a valid argument with the amp story, and yes, that's how it
would *exactly* go down. How many times in your life you selected
something and figured out later on that your selection was based on the
wrong premises? I don't think there is one single human out there that
hasn't gone thorugh such an experience. The "wrong premises" above
refers to ABX:ing or DBT:ing audio equipment. It's just not applicable.

Both of you got excited, couldn't manage to even breathe properly. It
was simple situational fear, I guess.




I was just along for the ride.


That "ride" might well be the biggest accomplishment in your life.