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Margaret Von Blueker said:
Obviously you're partying with Arnii smoking something stronger than either of you. The infamous basement, perhaps. I wonder if you giggle together after you goof up? The vast distances between our respective dwellings would make that unlikely. Then of course there's the matter of Arny not smoking such things, although I'm not opposed, it's also unlikely that such a substance exists, at least not insofar as my personal experience is concerned. Post surgery healing, and doctors orders prohibit any sort of smoking. BTW, does your use of the term breeder, indicate that your sexual orientation is homosexual. Not that I gave a ****, it's just that the only persons I've ever hear use that word, were in fact homosexual women. |
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No one on this group really thinks Margaret is a female, of either
orientation. Anyway, although "The Twist" (MM loved it!) and a couple other songs mentioned here are high on my list, to me nothing says Sixties more than, oddly enough. "Winchester Cathedral" by The New Vaudeville Band. Or Frank Sinatra's "The Coffee Song". After JFK was shot and the initial yeah-yeah-yeah of the early Beatles and the surf-and-turf Beach Boys tunes were de facto unhip to the nascent generation, you wouldn't have heard anything like that. Pet Clark is up there too, with "I Know a Place" and "Downtown". |
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![]() Fred wrote: "Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... Being among the younger posters here, I though I'd start a thread for the old fogeys... ;-) If there was one song, one single song that would epitomize the 60s, which one would it be? I think for me it would have to be the Beatles' Tomorrow Never Knows ("the song that ushered in the 60s" according to Tony Fletcher). (snip) The Theme From "A Summer Place" (Percy Faith & Orchestra). Lush big orchestration which, for me at least, denotes an end on the 50s values. The above is one I can remember perfectly, yet most people would never think of such a song as representing the 1960's. If you go back and look at what actually was popular in the 1960's, it can be pretty shocking and interesting. For example, comedy records were still big then, not just instrumentals. And balladeers like Bobby Goldsboro were really huge then too. Whether old fogey or not, I think most of us tend to think of the music of the 1960s as being whatever appealed to the white, college-educated crowd that (IMHO) is what constitutes RAO. I'm not saying any of the above is good or bad. Just pointing out that there are some different perspectives and different ways to look at things. There was tons of music that was hugely successful in terms of sales in the 1960's, yet is almost completely forgotten now and almost no one would think of now as characterizing the 1960's. But given that that was often the most popular music in the 1960's, maybe that's what we should consider to be the characteristic music of the 1960's. If I had to pick one favorite, I couldn't. My first impulse would be the Beatles, but there was a lot of great soul and country music back then that I've gained more appreciation of since then. I don't know much about jazz or a lot of other less-popular music from that era, and I'm sure there are advocates for that too. There's probably somebody out there who's favorite 1960's song is a capella, gospel, or something I'm even less aware of. (snip) |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... Margaret Von Blueker said: Obviously you're partying with Arnii smoking something stronger than either of you. The infamous basement, perhaps. I wonder if you giggle together after you goof up? The vast distances between our respective dwellings would make that unlikely. Then of course there's the matter of Arny not smoking such things, although I'm not opposed, it's also unlikely that such a substance exists, at least not insofar as my personal experience is concerned. Post surgery healing, and doctors orders prohibit any sort of smoking. BTW, does your use of the term breeder, indicate that your sexual orientation is homosexual. Not that I gave a ****, it's just that the only persons I've ever hear use that word, were in fact homosexual women. Now you've done it, Mikey. Arnii is going to jump you so you better watch out! :-) Cheers, Margaret |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... No one on this group really thinks Margaret is a female, of either orientation. Who cares, considering that in terms of "the stud factor" Howard probably ranks somewhere in the middle of y'all.... Anyway, although "The Twist" (MM loved it!) and a couple other songs mentioned here are high on my list, to me nothing says Sixties more than, oddly enough. "Winchester Cathedral" by The New Vaudeville Band. Or Frank Sinatra's "The Coffee Song". After JFK was shot and the initial yeah-yeah-yeah of the early Beatles and the surf-and-turf Beach Boys tunes were de facto unhip to the nascent generation, you wouldn't have heard anything like that. Pet Clark is up there too, with "I Know a Place" and "Downtown". Who wrote the last sentence for you Cal? Learn from it. Cheers, Margaret |
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![]() Margaret von B. said: BTW, does your use of the term breeder, indicate that your sexual orientation is homosexual. Not that I gave a ****, it's just that the only persons I've ever hear use that word, were in fact homosexual women. Now you've done it, Mikey. Arnii is going to jump you so you better watch out! :-) Mickey doesn't get out much, and Arnii can't afford a plane ticket to California. Not much chance of those two running into one another. |
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![]() "George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Mickey doesn't get out much, He only travels on rights of way where the previous owners voluntarily ceded them to the government ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Cal said:
No one on this group really thinks Margaret is a female, of either orientation. And the wise ones don't really care, since it's irrelelvant. to me nothing says Sixties more than, oddly enough. "Winchester Cathedral" by The New Vaudeville Band. So you like novelty records, got any Dr. Demento? After JFK was shot and the initial yeah-yeah-yeah of the early Beatles and the surf-and-turf Beach Boys tunes were de facto unhip to the nascent generation, you wouldn't have heard anything like that. Pet Clark is up there too, with "I Know a Place" and "Downtown". Beach Boys tunes weren't so much about hip, but rather about fun. They were about things the guys in the band knew, which is what people tend to write about if they are good. The early Beatles stuff reflected their desire to do what they were hearing, only better. When they found their voice after meeting Dylan, nobody could top them in any area they chose. Petula Clark's Greatest hits would be 45 and she wrote nothing. The songs were eminently singable and fun but far from hip. Tomorrow Never Knows, as has been said, really did usher in the 60's that I think most people think about. I quite enoyed the entire album, especially Harrison's Love To You. There were other memorable bands with more than one hit wonder status, that weren't trying to be heavy philosophical stuff. Songs by Spanky and Our Gang, The Mama's and Papa's, The Association, 3 Dog Night, and so on, then all the Motown stuff, Stax/Volt, the peopel who thought they were part of the "Revolution" like Jefferson Airplane, the Doors, and so on. It was indeed, a great time to listen to the radio. No formats, just great bands and great tunes. Some clunkers but that was inevitable, with the amount of stuff getting played. |
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On 16 Jun 2005 17:12:42 -0700, "
wrote: Jenn said: ven though I admire Roger's player, this is unlikely. Studio players then and now are truly amazing and can play just about anything, in my experience. As I said, I'm basing my comments on remarks made by the band members during an interview. IIRC it was David Crosby making that particular comment. This was post prison so there's a good chance he was sober and I can't think of any reason for him to lie about it. There's still the matter of learning the songs as well as being able to play them. Might just have been simpler to have somebody who already knew them and could play them as well as anybody they might hire. Who knows, I just prefer my version. Does make you wonder how many of the British bands plyaed on their own albums. McGuinn DEFINTELY played and sang on Mr. Tambourine Man and the other Byrds sang. The session musicians played everything else (but of course, McGuinn played the signature 12-string). As far as I know, this is the only instance of studio musicians taking the place of the band, although various studio musicians *might* have played uncredited on some of the early albums. Someone else mentioned Larry Knetchel as being with Bread, which he was, but he is better known for his piano work on Bridge Over Troubled Waters. I saw him play with Elvis Costello about 6 years ago at a tribute concert for The Fairfield Four, the famous gospel group from Nashville. Of course, like Glen Campbell, he was on a huge number of LA stuff from the 60s and 70s, things like the Beach Boys record (yes, he's on Pet Sounds), The Mamas and the Paps and The Monkees. |
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![]() Mickey straightens Maggie out. Obviously you're partying with Arnii smoking something stronger than either of you. The infamous basement, perhaps. I wonder if you giggle together after you goof up? The vast distances between our respective dwellings would make that unlikely. Oh good. I'm sure we all thought you two get together on a regular basis. Then of course there's the matter of Arny not smoking such things, although I'm not opposed, it's also unlikely that such a substance exists, at least not insofar as my personal experience is concerned. Very well crafted sentence, Mickey. Are you *sure* you're not smoking something? Something, I suspect, that is prone to disrupting the brain's language node. Post surgery healing, and doctors orders prohibit any sort of smoking. Yes, got to heed "doctors orders". Especially government-funded doctors who are paid by illegally seized "tax" revenue. BTW, does your use of the term breeder, indicate that your sexual orientation is homosexual. Not that I gave a ****, it's just that the only persons I've ever hear use that word, were in fact homosexual women. Even you should admit that your vista on the world is somewhat short of broad. |
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dave weil wrote: On 16 Jun 2005 17:12:42 -0700, " wrote: Jenn said: ven though I admire Roger's player, this is unlikely. Studio players then and now are truly amazing and can play just about anything, in my experience. As I said, I'm basing my comments on remarks made by the band members during an interview. IIRC it was David Crosby making that particular comment. This was post prison so there's a good chance he was sober and I can't think of any reason for him to lie about it. There's still the matter of learning the songs as well as being able to play them. Might just have been simpler to have somebody who already knew them and could play them as well as anybody they might hire. Who knows, I just prefer my version. Does make you wonder how many of the British bands plyaed on their own albums. McGuinn DEFINTELY played and sang on Mr. Tambourine Man and the other Byrds sang. The session musicians played everything else (but of course, McGuinn played the signature 12-string). As far as I know, this is the only instance of studio musicians taking the place of the band, although various studio musicians *might* have played uncredited on some of the early albums. Someone else mentioned Larry Knetchel as being with Bread, which he was, but he is better known for his piano work on Bridge Over Troubled Waters. I saw him play with Elvis Costello about 6 years ago at a tribute concert for The Fairfield Four, the famous gospel group from Nashville. Of course, like Glen Campbell, he was on a huge number of LA stuff from the 60s and 70s, things like the Beach Boys record (yes, he's on Pet Sounds), The Mamas and the Paps and The Monkees. Glen is a very wonderful player, in my view. He was one of the reasons that I took up guitar as a kid. His side men on the TV show were also incredible: John Hartford, Larry McNeeley, Jerry Reed .... When I lived in Reno, we went to see him each year, and I remember a simple, tasty nylon string solo on "Phoenix" that almost had me on the floor. |
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Dave Weil said:
Of course, like Glen Campbell, he was on a huge number of LA stuff from the 60s and 70s, things like the Beach Boys record (yes, he's on Pet Sounds), The Mamas and the Paps and The Monkees. Campbell was actually a member of the Beach Boys for a time, when one of them got drafted IIRC. |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... Dave Weil said: Of course, like Glen Campbell, he was on a huge number of LA stuff from the 60s and 70s, things like the Beach Boys record (yes, he's on Pet Sounds), The Mamas and the Paps and The Monkees. Campbell was actually a member of the Beach Boys for a time, when one of them got drafted IIRC. Which one got drafted? Never heard of that. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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![]() dave weil wrote: On 16 Jun 2005 17:12:42 -0700, " wrote: Jenn said: (snip) As I said, I'm basing my comments on remarks made by the band members during an interview. IIRC it was David Crosby making that particular comment. This was post prison so there's a good chance he was sober and I can't think of any reason for him to lie about it. I think I also read about this maybe 35+ years ago in Rolling Stone. There's still the matter of learning the songs as well as being able to play them. Might just have been simpler to have somebody who already knew them and could play them as well as anybody they might hire. I'm not sure it matters to me who plays what, as long as I like the record. I think it was Walter Becker who said he didn't care if he played a note on any Steely Dan record, as long as the record was good. Brian Wilson used session musicians (such as Carol Kaye) in place of the other Beach Boys frequently. Does make you wonder how many of the British bands plyaed on their own albums. There's been some confusion over what Jimmy Page (as a session musician) played vs. what Dave Davies played on some Kinks record whose title I've forgotten. At one time, this sort of trivia interested me, but now if I like the record, that's good enough for me. If I were a recording artist, I can see why I might want the best musicians, or the musicians who were available when I was recording, whether or not they were in my band. The Rascals also used some interesting studio musicians, BTW. When you look at the success (both artistically and in terms of how many hits they were a part of) for some of the top studio musicians, you can see why so many producers and artists wanted the top studio musicians on their records. McGuinn DEFINTELY played and sang on Mr. Tambourine Man and the other Byrds sang. The session musicians played everything else (but of course, McGuinn played the signature 12-string). I also believe this is the case. As far as I know, this is the only instance of studio musicians taking the place of the band, although various studio musicians *might* have played uncredited on some of the early albums. Yes, as far as I know. Within a few years, keeping track of the Byrds' membership became hopelessly confusing anyway. Someone else mentioned Larry Knetchel ....Knechtel... as being with Bread, which he was, but he is better known for his piano work on Bridge Over Troubled Waters. I'd forgotten that credit. That record also had drummer Hal Blaine. BTW, according to the following, Blaine played on six consecutive song-of-the-year Grammy winners. Wow! See: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;...w&sbid=lc03 a I saw him play with Elvis Costello about 6 years ago at a tribute concert Cool! for The Fairfield Four, the famous gospel group from Nashville. Interesting! Of course, like Glen Campbell, Back in the 1960's, before Campbell was famous as a solo artist, a friend met Campbell while he was touring with the Beach Boys in place of Brian Wilson. he was on a huge number of LA stuff from the 60s and 70s, things like the Beach Boys record (yes, he's on Pet Sounds), The Mamas and the Paps and The Monkees. I haven't studied him that closely, but I assume you're correct. BTW, like Blaine and Campbell, Knechtel was also part of the Wrecking Crew, a group of studio musicians who made a huge number of recordings: http://www.answers.com/topic/the-wrecking-crew Interesting trivia from the above, which answers something I've always wondered about Wendy Melvoin: "Mike Melvoin and Gary Coleman are the fathers of musicians Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman, former members of Prince's backing band, The Revolution." BTW, if you're interested in studio musicians, you might want to get the DVD "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Saw that a few years ago during its theatrical release. It's a documentary about the great Motown studio musicians who made all the 1960's Motown hits, yet who were almost entirely abandoned when Berry Gordy moved the label from Detroit to Los Angeles. Includes some recent concert footage of these artists too. |
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![]() Sander deWaal said: Why is no one mentioning "Innagadadavida" by Iron Butterfly? Too obscure? I guess we need to amend the previously noted definition of tweako, Slack. A tweako also lacks taste even in rock music, note. |
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" wrote: Dave Weil said: Of course, like Glen Campbell, he was on a huge number of LA stuff from the 60s and 70s, things like the Beach Boys record (yes, he's on Pet Sounds), The Mamas and the Paps and The Monkees. Campbell was actually a member of the Beach Boys for a time, when one of them got drafted IIRC. Indeed. |
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I don't think any Beach Boy got drafted. One might have been in the
National Guard or something briefly. You may be thinking of Jan Berry of Jan and Dean. (Dean Torrence, being the one who was involved in the genius plot to kidnap Frank Jr.) Jan was a medical student while puersuing rock fame,and during a hiatus was drafted: enraged he got in his Corvette and slammed under a truck, a la Jayne Mansfield and company. He wasn't killed but suffered brain damage and was semi-functional the rest of his life, which ended late 2004 as I recall. Those two crashes were the reason for "DOT bumpers" on trucks. As well Richard "Battlestar Galactica" Hatch played Jan pretty well in a early-80s TV biopic. Glen Campbell is still a great guitar player and still a miserable individual, at least on all three occasions I have been in his presence. |
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The 60s people remember now and the 60s in the 60s are two very
different times! Comedy, spoken word and jazz albums were big sellers, many "legendary" rock groups from the time were unknown to most, and the social attitudes and mores were actually very different except for a hard core in-group. The Vietnam war had widespread support, no one would have advocated legal abortion, and dope smokers were subhuman vermin to Middle Amerika, which was most everyone then. It was actually in the 70s the big sea change hit and the ideas that were underground and clandestine became widespread and overt everywhere except the very buckle of the Bible belt. Nancy Reagan and her Just Say no were a big rollback, but the country was still more liberal after Reagan than in the LBJ era. |
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Sander said:
Why is no one mentioning "Innagadadavida" by Iron Butterfly? Too obscure? One hit wonder, but it did give drummers something new to practice. |
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George M. Middius said:
Sander deWaal said: Why is no one mentioning "Innagadadavida" by Iron Butterfly? Too obscure? I guess we need to amend the previously noted definition of tweako, Slack. A tweako also lacks taste even in rock music, note. ;-) -- "Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes." - Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005 |
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Sander deWaal asked:
Why is no one mentioning "Innagadadavida" by Iron Butterfly? Too obscure? Trivia time. What does "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" mean? GeoSynch |
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![]() "GeoSynch" wrote in message ink.net... Sander deWaal asked: Why is no one mentioning "Innagadadavida" by Iron Butterfly? Too obscure? Trivia time. What does "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" mean? What does IDGAS mean? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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GeoSynch wrote:
Trivia time. What does "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" mean? Isn't asking that question like eating the forbidden fruit? |
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ric wrote:
GeoSynch wrote: Trivia time. What does "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" mean? Isn't asking that question like eating the forbidden fruit? Only if you don't get too stoned and slur the words. GeoSynch |
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Clyde Slick riddled:
What does IDGAS mean? I'm Dumb Goober Art Sackman? GeoSynch |
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![]() "GeoSynch" wrote in message ink.net... Clyde Slick riddled: What does IDGAS mean? I'm Dumb Goober Art Sackman? Goober lives in Arkansas and fixes bikes ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
What does IDGAS mean? I'm Dumb Goober Art Sackman? Goober lives in Arkansas and fixes bikes Tell him to give our regards to Aunt Bea and Barney. GeoSynch |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:43:03 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote: Clyde Slick wrote: What does IDGAS mean? I'm Dumb Goober Art Sackman? Goober lives in Arkansas and fixes bikes Tell him to give our regards to Aunt Bea and Barney. That's North Carolina. Home to this years US Open gold tournament. |
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dave weil wrote:
GeoSynch wrote: Clyde Slick wrote: What does IDGAS mean? I'm Dumb Goober Art Sackman? Goober lives in Arkansas and fixes bikes Tell him to give our regards to Aunt Bea and Barney. That's North Carolina. Home to this years US Open gold tournament. Who's hosting the silver tournament? If they were to let our Annika play, do you thing the New York Times would give it a rest? GeoSynch |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:38:20 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote: dave weil wrote: GeoSynch wrote: Clyde Slick wrote: What does IDGAS mean? I'm Dumb Goober Art Sackman? Goober lives in Arkansas and fixes bikes Tell him to give our regards to Aunt Bea and Barney. That's North Carolina. Home to this years US Open gold tournament. Who's hosting the silver tournament? Good one! Bad typo! If they were to let our Annika play, do you thing the New York Times would give it a rest? That's in the new Fantastic Four movie. And this is a great Freudian slip if you've ever seen a photo of "our" Annika. |
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![]() wrote: I don't think any Beach Boy got drafted. Agree. Actually, the only 1960's rock band member I can recall going into US military service back then was a member of Moby Grape, and he went in as a volunteer, not a draftee. And that may have been after 1969. In retrospect, given that there was a draft in the late 1960's, it's a little surprising that no young male musicians back then were drafted that I know of. One might have been in the National Guard or something briefly. You may be thinking of Jan Berry of Jan and Dean. (Dean Torrence, being the one who was involved in the genius plot to kidnap Frank Jr.) Don't recall any of the above. This is the first I've read of any connection between Jan, Dean, or Frank Jr. I am old enough to remember (barely) Frank Jr. being kidnapped, but I've never heard of Jan or Dean being connected to that. Dean's been a graphic designer for many years, BTW. His company: http://www.kittyhawkstudios.com/ Jan was a medical student Pre-med at UCLA. Both Jan and Dean were fulltime students during part of their musical career. while puersuing rock fame, By that time, I think they'd probably peaked, but given the severity of Jan's accident, we'll never really know. Jan and Dean did eventually resume some performing. and during a hiatus was drafted: enraged he got in his Corvette and slammed under a truck, a la Jayne Mansfield and company. I do know about the accident; ironically, on a "dead man's curve" kind of street. Haven't heard of Jan being drafted or that being related to his accident. Perhaps because I was so young when the accident happened and Jan and Dean (and almost everybody else) was eclipsed by the Beatles and that newer generation of bands, I never heard about Jan's accident until maybe the mid or late 1970's, when Rolling Stone did a story about the accident and Jan and Dean's career. He wasn't killed but suffered brain damage and was semi-functional the rest of his life, He eventually resumed performing; as www.JanandDean.com says, the musical part of his brain wasn't damaged much. which ended late 2004 as I recall. Those two crashes were the reason for "DOT bumpers" on trucks. As well Richard "Battlestar Galactica" Hatch played Jan pretty well in a early-80s TV biopic. Glen Campbell is still a great guitar player and still a miserable individual, at least on all three occasions I have been in his presence. Campbell's mentioned on Jan and Dean's web site, BTW, as a member of the Wrecking Crew working with Brian Wilson. |
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dave weil wrote:
That's North Carolina. Home to this years US Open gold tournament. Who's hosting the silver tournament? Good one! Bad typo! If they were to let our Annika play, do you thing the New York Times would give it a rest? That's in the new Fantastic Four movie. Short flashback to the late 60s early 70s Saturday morning cartoons of Spiderman and the Fantastic Four, where The Thing literally looked like a brick ...house. And this is a great Freudian slip if you've ever seen a photo of "our" Annika. Another commonality between Goober and Annika besides the shopworn stereotypes down yonder. The best photo of "our" Annika was the one on The Devil's site way back when. GeoSynch |
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GeoSynch asks:
Sander deWaal asked: Why is no one mentioning "Innagadadavida" by Iron Butterfly? Too obscure? Trivia time. What does "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" mean? The translation I heard most often was In a Garden of Eden. |
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