"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...


He said he is getting a burning odor outdoors, but no smoke.


They are recomending people stay indoors and if they have any respritory
problems, keep windows closed and run the AC if they have a filtered
system.

Wind is calm at my place right now. They just had a live shot of the
I-15/8 interchange. Only a few emergency vehicles as 15 to the north is
closed and 8 to the east is as well. It was so dark, all the vehicle have
lights on. A sister- in -law just called from Carson and they are getting
smoke and ash from fires in San Bernadino. Another sister-in-law is
watching hills burning north of their place in Riverside. Probably the
same fire that is sending smoke and ash all the way to Carson some 20 miles
or more west.

ScottW

The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east of
my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
it appears to be calming.

They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
be.
It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
there.
Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
worried.
Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
evacuated.

They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
acres in SD county.

The Idiot said:

I can see plumes of smoke due east of my place, probably 10 to 15 miles.
Smoke is still moving to the south but it appears to be calming.

So the rain dance didn't work?

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:joZmb.36218$gi2.31040@fed1read01...
The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east
of
my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
it appears to be calming.

They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
be.
It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
there.
Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
worried.
Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
evacuated.

They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
acres in SD county.



Rancho Bernardo is northwest of Poway, but Rancho Bernardo Road
goes south of Poway.





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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:10:52 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east of
my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
it appears to be calming.

They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
be.
It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
there.
Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
worried.
Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
evacuated.

They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
acres in SD county.

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

"dave weil" wrote in message
news

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

ScottW

The Idiot said:

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

God DAMN, are you stupid.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
news

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.

You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
news

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.

You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?

Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current and
specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the various field
reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big picture and not terribly
up to date. I appreciate Scott's reports because they have helped keep me
informed, so that I know whether my family or my house (in Clairemont Mesa
area) is at risk.

Scott is providing a community service. He is not "a self-absorbed little
prat." But you are.

David Joslin

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:58:00 GMT, "David Joslin"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
news
Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.

You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?

Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current and
specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the various field
reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big picture and not terribly
up to date. I appreciate Scott's reports because they have helped keep me
informed, so that I know whether my family or my house (in Clairemont Mesa
area) is at risk.

So tell me, how did *he* get the reports? HE GOT THEM FROM THE NEWS.

I'm sure that you can figure out whether the fires are close enough to
you to put ash on your car because that's about the extent of the
information that you can't get from the media.

Scott is providing a community service. He is not "a self-absorbed little
prat." But you are.

Minute by minute blow-by-blows can go private. If you think that Scott
is essential for your well-being because he seems to have better
information than you, then why not contact him privately?

BTW, I have no problem with mentioning it, just the obsessive posting
of every minute details, ESPECIALLY from someone whose stock in trade
is posting a couple of lines of dissing material to others on the
list. I'm sorry that I find it annoying to the max, but there you go.

BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
sure you will be relieved.

"David Joslin" wrote in message

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
news
Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.

You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?

Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current
and specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the
various field reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big
picture and not terribly up to date.

Here's a challenge. Find something said on RAO that isn't represented more
accurately, wiht more detail, and more up-to-date on:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/

especially:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/ataglance.html

and

http://www.msnbc.com/news

In article ,
dave weil wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:10:52 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east of
my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
it appears to be calming.

They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
be.
It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
there.
Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
worried.
Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
evacuated.

They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
acres in SD county.

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Maybe we can make exceptions for World Series results and natural
disasters.

My late grandparents used to live east of San Diego, so I know the area
a bit.

Stephen

"MiNE 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dave weil wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:10:52 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling
for
evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due
east of
my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south
but
it appears to be calming.

They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south
of
Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it
could
be.
It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area
is
Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
there.
Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
worried.
Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
evacuated.

They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of
100K
acres in SD county.

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Maybe we can make exceptions for World Series results and natural
disasters.

My late grandparents used to live east of San Diego, so I know the area
a bit.

Stephen

My father is being evacuated.
(not necessarily due to his age)




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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
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My father is being evacuated.
(not necessarily due to his age)

If the wind picks up tomorrow afternoon blowing due west (as one weather
model predicts), the fire east of Escondido is predicted to reach San
Marcos, the fire in Otay Lakes area will go right into Chula Vista, Alpine
fire into El Cajon and the Poway fires will move into RB. The fire chief
says they won't be able to do anything without air support and all of Ca.
tankers are already assigned fires. Apparently they assign them as the
fires break out and since SD's started last, all the tankers were already
in use. Last report I heard, they weren't planning on getting any state
assistance tomorrow.

All the school districts are closed (except San Marcos but I expect that to
change). All non-emergency city and state personnel are to stay home
tomorrow to keep the roads clear. Only freeway that wasn't shut down
somewhere today in the county is I-5.

It is probably best to evacuate your Dad tonight while things are
relatively calm. Weather reports are starting to look promising but they
really don't know what tomorrow will bring. Even mild winds can get the
fires going and then they create their own weather. They had a video of a
fire created tornado that actually showed flames swirling into the air and
touching down a good distance away and starting another fire.

The football game has been moved to Phoenix and the stadium is an evac
center. They already had to close two evac centers out in east county as
they were threatened.

Even if weather cooperates tomorrow this thing won't be over. The Otay
Lakes area fire won't be contained until the 30th and weather is calling
for a couple days of cooling followed by a new high pressure system and
possibly more Santa Ana conditions later in the week or next weekend.

ScottW

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:23:00 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

My father is being evacuated.
(not necessarily due to his age)

If the wind picks up tomorrow afternoon blowing due west (as one weather
model predicts), the fire east of Escondido is predicted to reach San
Marcos, the fire in Otay Lakes area will go right into Chula Vista, Alpine
fire into El Cajon and the Poway fires will move into RB. The fire chief
says they won't be able to do anything without air support and all of Ca.
tankers are already assigned fires. Apparently they assign them as the
fires break out and since SD's started last, all the tankers were already
in use. Last report I heard, they weren't planning on getting any state
assistance tomorrow.

All the school districts are closed (except San Marcos but I expect that to
change). All non-emergency city and state personnel are to stay home
tomorrow to keep the roads clear. Only freeway that wasn't shut down
somewhere today in the county is I-5.

It is probably best to evacuate your Dad tonight while things are
relatively calm. Weather reports are starting to look promising but they
really don't know what tomorrow will bring. Even mild winds can get the
fires going and then they create their own weather. They had a video of a
fire created tornado that actually showed flames swirling into the air and
touching down a good distance away and starting another fire.

The football game has been moved to Phoenix and the stadium is an evac
center. They already had to close two evac centers out in east county as
they were threatened.

Even if weather cooperates tomorrow this thing won't be over. The Otay
Lakes area fire won't be contained until the 30th and weather is calling
for a couple days of cooling followed by a new high pressure system and
possibly more Santa Ana conditions later in the week or next weekend.

It's turned cold here in Nashville.

And it's raining.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:39 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

That might be your perspective. I'd have to say though that 9-11
affected me (and *everyone* on this group, regardless of what country
they're from) far more than the fires in So. Cal is going to.

The main reason that I continued posting about it was that several
people wrote me privately and said that they were at work and didn't
have access to the media (and so I figured that, given word to the
contrary, there were likely a lot of people in that same boat). And
nobody thought (at least not articulated) that my "reportage" was
excessive. I was *asked* to continue posting what *some* of us were
seeing on CNN and NBC. Not one person said that it was excessive.

If it had bothered you, you should have said something, just like *I*
did.

shrug

Nice to find out that I've had such an effect on you though. It swells
me with pride...