Jay Levitt wrote:
I was looking at some real estate in Cambridge when, in back of the
local church, I saw some smashed-up bits of keyboard. A closer
inspection revealed that they'd taken a Wurlitzer out - just that
morning! - and torn it up for the trash truck. One of the manuals
was
missing some keys, and I couldn't tell about the other, but there may
be
some spare parts there, and there was a pedalboard as well. (Also, a

vibraphone, though it might have rusted overnight.) The trash comes
Monday, so if anyone in Boston wants this stuff, drop me a line and
I'll
get the address for you.

But the real prize for me was the Leslie 125 cabinet which looked to
be
in good shape! So I brought it home. Now I have a Leslie cabinet.
I
see the six-pin connector dangling out the back. At least one tube
is
not smashed. That's all I can see.

Now what? I have no keyboards with a Leslie connector, and very
little
familiarity with them other than the one I've played with in our
Berklee
studio, which of course has the matching socket and the start/run
switches.

What's the best way to get this up and running, see if it works, and
run
audio through it?

--
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Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler

Get a hookup to play guitar through it! I've got one and it kicks. The
sound of Blind Faith or the bridge in "Badge".

wrote:
Jay Levitt wrote:



What's the best way to get this up and running, see if it works, and

run

audio through it?

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler


I don't know about the 125 (sure it's not a 122?), but the 145 had a
schematic pasted on the side of the amplifier showing the plug connections.

Bob

Bob Stephens wrote:
wrote:
Jay Levitt wrote:



What's the best way to get this up and running, see if it works,
and

run

audio through it?

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark
Adler


I don't know about the 125 (sure it's not a 122?), but the 145 had a
schematic pasted on the side of the amplifier showing the plug
connections.

Bob

The 125 doesn't have a rotating tweeter, just a single rotating drum.
The 122 has the horns and is taller. The 122/145/147 's are the ones
that give the Hammond sound, 125 sounds very different. They were
commonly used with non-Hammond organs (like the Wurlitzer). They sound
good on guitars.

These guys make a preamp for hooking a Leslie to a 1/4".

http://www.speakeasyvintagemusic.com

writes:

Bob Stephens wrote:
wrote:
Jay Levitt wrote:



What's the best way to get this up and running, see if it works,
and

run

audio through it?

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark
Adler


I don't know about the 125 (sure it's not a 122?), but the 145 had a
schematic pasted on the side of the amplifier showing the plug
connections.

Bob

The 125 doesn't have a rotating tweeter, just a single rotating drum.
The 122 has the horns and is taller. The 122/145/147 's are the ones
that give the Hammond sound, 125 sounds very different.

Agreed. To expound a little more, the 122 and 147 are the "tall"
cabinets, the 145 are short cabinets (about 6 inches different).
Also, the 122 has a differential input while the 147 does not. The
differential input makes for less noise into the system.

They were
commonly used with non-Hammond organs (like the Wurlitzer). They sound
good on guitars.

I would think they wouldn't. What did Three Dog Night use on, say,
"Pieces of April"?
--
Randy Yates
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
Research Triangle Park, NC, USA
, 919-472-1124

On 4/13/05 4:26 PM, in article , "Bob
Stephens" wrote:

I don't know about the 125 (sure it's not a 122?), but the 145 had a
schematic pasted on the side of the amplifier showing the plug connections.


125
Only bottom rotor, inexpensive, 20W amplifier.
Model 120 is the same concept but has a simpler cabinet and no amplifier
(speaker was powered by the organ's own amplifier).

http://www.captain-foldback.com/Lesl..._owners_manual.
zip

In article . com,
says...
The 125 doesn't have a rotating tweeter, just a single rotating drum.
The 122 has the horns and is taller. The 122/145/147 's are the ones
that give the Hammond sound, 125 sounds very different. They were
commonly used with non-Hammond organs (like the Wurlitzer). They sound
good on guitars.

Awwww, geez. And I was so excited. I don't think I want to spend $325
to buy a box to attach to a speaker that doesn't really sound like a
Leslie (for B3 purposes)... Sigh.

Jay

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler

Jay Levitt wrote:
In article . com,
says...

The 125 doesn't have a rotating tweeter, just a single rotating drum.
The 122 has the horns and is taller. The 122/145/147 's are the ones
that give the Hammond sound, 125 sounds very different. They were
commonly used with non-Hammond organs (like the Wurlitzer). They sound
good on guitars.


Awwww, geez. And I was so excited. I don't think I want to spend $325
to buy a box to attach to a speaker that doesn't really sound like a
Leslie (for B3 purposes)... Sigh.


Whoa, hold on. Take out the amp and connect a 1/4" jack to the speaker
and build yourself a 117-volt footswitch (or use a line cord and plug
into an outlet strip and kick the switch with your foot) for the motor.

Then you can connect any amp you want to it. There may not be a horn,
but the sound it makes is still amazing, and can't be duplicated by
software.

On 4/13/05 9:29 PM, in article
, "Jay Levitt"
wrote:

In article . com,
says...
The 125 doesn't have a rotating tweeter, just a single rotating drum.
The 122 has the horns and is taller. The 122/145/147 's are the ones
that give the Hammond sound, 125 sounds very different. They were
commonly used with non-Hammond organs (like the Wurlitzer). They sound
good on guitars.

Awwww, geez. And I was so excited. I don't think I want to spend $325
to buy a box to attach to a speaker that doesn't really sound like a
Leslie (for B3 purposes)... Sigh.

Jay

STOP!
You may not want it but
DON¹T THROW IT OUT!
Ummm... My mdl 110 needs a cousin... That¹s it...
(crap... How the heck can I get something like that from New England down to
DC... Argh...)

It's a Guitarist Thing...

In article ,=20
says...
STOP!
You may not want it but
DON=B9T THROW IT OUT!
Ummm... My mdl 110 needs a cousin... That=B9s it...
(crap... How the heck can I get something like that from New England down=
to
DC... Argh...)

Oh, I won't throw it out.. maybe pair it with one of the less expensive=20
rotating-horn-plus-simulator things or something.


--=20
Jay Levitt |=20
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler

Hey, Jay, you're getting too old. Remember when ANY new piece of equipment
was a time for exploration and creation?

Besides, without a real drawbar Hammond, there's no reason to worry about
the Leslie. Besides, with Pro Motion there are some units that are far
easier to move around, and they sound just as good, IMHO. A 125 can be an
interesting item to play around with for guitar, but for organ, it's kind of
a pansy.
--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Jay Levitt" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
says...
The 125 doesn't have a rotating tweeter, just a single rotating drum.
The 122 has the horns and is taller. The 122/145/147 's are the ones
that give the Hammond sound, 125 sounds very different. They were
commonly used with non-Hammond organs (like the Wurlitzer). They sound
good on guitars.

Awwww, geez. And I was so excited. I don't think I want to spend $325
to buy a box to attach to a speaker that doesn't really sound like a
Leslie (for B3 purposes)... Sigh.

Jay

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler

In article writes:

Awwww, geez. And I was so excited. I don't think I want to spend $325
to buy a box to attach to a speaker that doesn't really sound like a
Leslie (for B3 purposes)... Sigh.

And now disposal is YOUR problem. There really IS justice in this
world. g

When you first asked "what now?" I was going to suggest getting a
hernia truss.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

S O'Neill wrote:

Whoa, hold on. Take out the amp and connect a 1/4" jack to the speaker
and build yourself a 117-volt footswitch (or use a line cord and plug
into an outlet strip and kick the switch with your foot) for the motor.

I've built up two like this and that's pretty much the way I've done it,
except I build up a small power supply that is switched by a footswitch
to pick a relay that switches the motors. This keeps line power out of
the footswitch and is much safer. I also replaced the speaker with the
an EV-12 which is far more rugged than the stock item.

Then you can connect any amp you want to it. There may not be a horn,
but the sound it makes is still amazing, and can't be duplicated by
software.

And that's the fact!

--
================================================== ======================
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
| - The Who, Bargain

I've built up two like this and that's pretty much the way I've done it,
except I build up a small power supply that is switched by a footswitch
to pick a relay that switches the motors. This keeps line power out of
the footswitch and is much safer. I also replaced the speaker with the
an EV-12 which is far more rugged than the stock item.

I did something similar back in the '70's, but I used a TRIAC to switch
the rotors electrically. This got rid of the nasty 'POP' I got when
using a switch or relay.

Bob

Agreed. To expound a little more, the 122 and 147 are the "tall"
cabinets, the 145 are short cabinets (about 6 inches different).
Also, the 122 has a differential input while the 147 does not. The
differential input makes for less noise into the system.

I lugged a 145 around for years, and wouldn't have traded it for a dozen
122's - which every one else was playing at the time. I swear they
sounded different. The 145 had a warmer, ballsier tone while the 122 had
more high end and thinner overall sound IMHO. Anyone know if there were
electronic differences - different crossover point, amps, tubes etc.?

Bob

Bob Stephens wrote:
I've built up two like this and that's pretty much the way I've done it,
except I build up a small power supply that is switched by a footswitch
to pick a relay that switches the motors. This keeps line power out of
the footswitch and is much safer. I also replaced the speaker with the
an EV-12 which is far more rugged than the stock item.

I did something similar back in the '70's, but I used a TRIAC to switch
the rotors electrically. This got rid of the nasty 'POP' I got when
using a switch or relay.

Today you can buy a "solid state relay" at Grainger which will do all
the fancy zero-crossing switching with a triac, without having to do
any real engineering work. You just wire it up like a relay and go.

Probably easier than snubbers and MOVs across switch contacts, too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hello Jay,

This may sound funny but was the Leslie in it's own little cabinet?

I rescued a Wurlitzer when we lived in Idaho ($40 at the thrift store),
played it for awhile, and had it moved down with us -- Sitting in the
living room need a capacitor job and being used to set a lamp on.

Inside of the Wurlitzer is a huge box and inside the box is something
with a motor turning -- Didn't get around to opening up the box.

I really should get a manual for it someday...

Thanks,
Andy

wrote:
Hello Jay,

I really should get a manual for it someday...

Thanks,
Andy



Enough with the organ puns already!

Bob

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...

Besides, without a real drawbar Hammond, there's no reason to worry about
the Leslie. Besides, with Pro Motion there are some units that are far
easier to move around, and they sound just as good, IMHO. A 125 can be an
interesting item to play around with for guitar, but for organ, it's kind
of
a pansy.
--
I gotta disagree here, Roger - I've done gigs with a number of keyboard
players who will use something like an SB 2 (or other synth organ) with a
real Leslie - most of them feel like live, the magic of the Leslie is more
important than the magic of the organ.

--
Dave Martin
DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN

In article .com,
says...
This may sound funny but was the Leslie in it's own little cabinet?

Yep - that's the only reason I recognized it. (I'm not a keyboard
player, by any means, and I don't think I could identify a B3 from a
Wurly at 10 paces.)

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler

In article . net,
says...
Besides, without a real drawbar Hammond, there's no reason to worry about
the Leslie.

Ah, but what you don't know is that I've been talking myself out of
buying the new XK3 for several months now. So if this were a "real
Leslie" (I know, I know), and you told me that for $325 I could go buy a
controller, or for only $1700 more buy the Hammond, well, I could talk
myself into it...

I think what I will really go do is go back to the church this weekend
and scour around the Wurlitzer. If I can find the six-pin connector,
I'll bring that piece of the organ home and see if I can tease out the
amp, etc.

Besides, with Pro Motion there are some units that are far
easier to move around, and they sound just as good, IMHO. A 125 can be an
interesting item to play around with for guitar, but for organ, it's kind
of
a pansy.
--
I gotta disagree here, Roger - I've done gigs with a number of keyboard
players who will use something like an SB 2 (or other synth organ) with a
real Leslie - most of them feel like live, the magic of the Leslie is more
important than the magic of the organ.

Dave, I think he's talking about the lighter-weight units that have a
real rotating horn for the highs, but a simulator for the rotating
woofer. I haven't heard them, but I'd imagine it gets you much of the
way there for a B3, and they're certainly more portable.

I noticed that one of those units lets you bypass the simulator by
plugging in a real bass rotor, wihch seems to be what I now have, so
maybe that's an upgrade path for me - still cheaper than the $3000 for a
145-style cabinet. OTOH, those are solid state; I don't think anyone
makes a tube model.

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler

Cool... I've had a Leslie sitting in my living room all this time and
didn't know it! :-)

There should be one more of these Wurlitzers at the thrift store in
Pocatello, Idaho. IIRC, the sticker price on it was about $45....

Sigh... Now what?!?!??!!

Andy

wrote:
Cool... I've had a Leslie sitting in my living room all this time and
didn't know it! :-)

There should be one more of these Wurlitzers at the thrift store in
Pocatello, Idaho. IIRC, the sticker price on it was about $45....


That's $20 too much.

Hah! Tell that to the movers!!! :-P

Seriously though, in Idaho, this thing sat on the first floor over a
huge basement (popular I've learned up north) and playing just right,
resonated the entire house quite nicely! Wish I had a mic back
*then*... Wish too it had a Mullard 12AX7 in it. ;-)

Best!

Yes, if it's the RIGHT Leslie. One of the things about the signature sound
of the 122 or 147 (besides the amount of noise of one) is the amp and the
somewhat mismatch in a B/C3 driving it. While I'd take a Leslie, I'd never
want to haul one around again, so I'd still opt for a Motion Sound unit to
use with an XK2/3 or the one I like, which is the Korg BX3 dual (one of
these days). This jobby is cool because you carry in the stand, carry in
two keyboards and you've got the right orientation for playing a pretty
darned good sounding organ.

Right now I've got a number of my old high school buddies together to play
the class of 70's 35 reunion, and the keyboard player (I'm not good enough
for this group) uses an XK2 (or the original, I forget and it's been 10
years since I've played any music with him) with the dual rotor Motion Sound
Pro unit and it sounds absolutely fantastic. Bit of a bear to move because
it's too large to want to lift, but certainly nothing like a 122/147. Just
moving Papa John's dual 147s onto stage was more than I wanted to do! g

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Dave Martin" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...

Besides, without a real drawbar Hammond, there's no reason to worry
about
the Leslie. Besides, with Pro Motion there are some units that are far
easier to move around, and they sound just as good, IMHO. A 125 can be
an
interesting item to play around with for guitar, but for organ, it's
kind
of
a pansy.
--
I gotta disagree here, Roger - I've done gigs with a number of keyboard
players who will use something like an SB 2 (or other synth organ) with a
real Leslie - most of them feel like live, the magic of the Leslie is more
important than the magic of the organ.

--
Dave Martin
DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN

Well, I typed the name wrong. It's Motion Sound, and they actually have a
65 lb dual rotor unit for about $1800. At 65 lbs and nice casters, I think
I like it better than moving a 122/147. But for the studio I wouldn't mind
a 122. Don't have space, but I'd make space! g

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Jay Levitt" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...
Besides, without a real drawbar Hammond, there's no reason to worry
about
the Leslie.

Ah, but what you don't know is that I've been talking myself out of
buying the new XK3 for several months now. So if this were a "real
Leslie" (I know, I know), and you told me that for $325 I could go buy a
controller, or for only $1700 more buy the Hammond, well, I could talk
myself into it...

I think what I will really go do is go back to the church this weekend
and scour around the Wurlitzer. If I can find the six-pin connector,
I'll bring that piece of the organ home and see if I can tease out the
amp, etc.

Besides, with Pro Motion there are some units that are far
easier to move around, and they sound just as good, IMHO. A 125 can
be an
interesting item to play around with for guitar, but for organ, it's
kind
of
a pansy.
--
I gotta disagree here, Roger - I've done gigs with a number of keyboard
players who will use something like an SB 2 (or other synth organ) with
a
real Leslie - most of them feel like live, the magic of the Leslie is
more
important than the magic of the organ.

Dave, I think he's talking about the lighter-weight units that have a
real rotating horn for the highs, but a simulator for the rotating
woofer. I haven't heard them, but I'd imagine it gets you much of the
way there for a B3, and they're certainly more portable.

I noticed that one of those units lets you bypass the simulator by
plugging in a real bass rotor, wihch seems to be what I now have, so
maybe that's an upgrade path for me - still cheaper than the $3000 for a
145-style cabinet. OTOH, those are solid state; I don't think anyone
makes a tube model.

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a
http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler