I believe All Pro Sound in FL still sells the Barcus Berry version. I
almost bought one for our church piano but then decided to go with a PCM
under-the-lid setup since we were recording it (we leave the lid on the
lower prop position).

Walter Harley wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

I think that Markertek carries [the C-Ducer pickups]. Honestly, none of
the pickups will
sound anything like a piano, but they will all give you all of the
isolation that you need. For monitors that's just fine.
--scott



Can't find 'em listed anywhere on Markertek's web site. I think I'm just
going to try a Shure Beta91 and see how it does...

"Walter Harley" wrote in message

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
I think that Markertek carries [the C-Ducer pickups]. Honestly,
none of the pickups will
sound anything like a piano, but they will all give you all of the
isolation that you need. For monitors that's just fine.
--scott


Can't find 'em listed anywhere on Markertek's web site. I think I'm
just going to try a Shure Beta91 and see how it does.

Plus, on a good day Beta91s don't sound all that bad. Well, OK its kinda
tinkley-sounding inside a piano, but its a sound that can cut through
congregational singing in a church.

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:24:11 GMT,
wrote:

On 2004-12-08 said:
Plexiglas ain't cheap, but neither are good electronic drums.
Methinks that the electronic drums are the Final Solution.
Electronic drums remove any possibility of playing with musical
subtlety. It's like playing a bad electric keyboard when you
wanted a piano.
Next time you're around an electronic kit ask for a snare drum roll.
Ask for jazz brushes. Ask for soft beaters on tom-tom quasi
timpani.
WHich is why gOod electronic drums is an oxymoron. IF I"m paying a
drummer I expect real drums. OTherwise I can do waht those electronic
drums can do with a rack mounted drum module.


You're solving the wrong problem. I'd love to play a 50 rank tracker
organ. I usually get stuck playing an electronic in a questionable
state of repair, or worse, "A wonderful pipe organ" that's falling
apart, the only two working stops being the swell Salacional Celeste and
the pedal Bombarde. Trust me, that's damn near unplayable.

In such situations, Digital Works. It's not ideal, but it's nearly
always playable. If I insisted on a Perfect gig, I'd not have any at
all, there not being so great a demand for organists outside of
religious environments.

Moving to "praise band" situations, you can either have an unworkable
situation with "real drums" vs an untuned "baby grand"--whatever THAT
means, or an E-kit and a digital piano that's "Good Enough." I'd no
sooner confuse an E-piano action with a Steinway, but it Just Works and
solves a HEAP of technical problems in an affordable way.

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 04:11:04 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

To me, the e-drums have become different
instruments rather than inferior instruments.

Miles Davis is alleged to have replied to an interviewer who asked him,
"When does a synthesizer become a real instrument?" with, "As soon as a
composer writes a part for it".

And I wonder what he meant? Was he seeing synths just as cheap
imitators of real instruments? Or recognising that composers DO write
parts for them now?

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:13:03 GMT, "U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" "Charles
wrote:

Moving to "praise band" situations, you can either have an unworkable
situation with "real drums" vs an untuned "baby grand"--whatever THAT
means, or an E-kit and a digital piano that's "Good Enough."

What don't you understand about an "untuned baby grand"? A very
common item, in my experience (unfortunately). I'm about to travel
into central London to play one. Shut your ears, take the money :-)

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 04:11:04 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:


To me, the e-drums have become different
instruments rather than inferior instruments.

Miles Davis is alleged to have replied to an interviewer who asked him,
"When does a synthesizer become a real instrument?" with, "As soon as a
composer writes a part for it".


And I wonder what he meant? Was he seeing synths just as cheap
imitators of real instruments? Or recognising that composers DO write
parts for them now?

I think he was showing a wonderfully open mind to music
something the snobs just don't grasp well
George

Laurence Payne wrote:

(hank alrich) wrote:

To me, the e-drums have become different
instruments rather than inferior instruments.

Miles Davis is alleged to have replied to an interviewer who asked him,
"When does a synthesizer become a real instrument?" with, "As soon as a
composer writes a part for it".

And I wonder what he meant?

He meant that you need to keep practicing until you get it. g

Was he seeing synths just as cheap
imitators of real instruments?

Better read it again...

Or recognising that composers DO write parts for them now?

You've heard later period Miles Davis, haven't you?

--
ha

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:40:19 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

Miles Davis is alleged to have replied to an interviewer who asked him,
"When does a synthesizer become a real instrument?" with, "As soon as a
composer writes a part for it".

And I wonder what he meant?

He meant that you need to keep practicing until you get it. g

Was he seeing synths just as cheap
imitators of real instruments?

Better read it again...

Or recognising that composers DO write parts for them now?

You've heard later period Miles Davis, haven't you?

Sure. When was the quote?

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" "Charles wrote in message
news:jKFtd.3101$mn6.1324@trnddc07

In such situations, Digital Works. It's not ideal, but it's nearly
always playable. If I insisted on a Perfect gig, I'd not have any at
all, there not being so great a demand for organists outside of
religious environments.

Probably true.

Moving to "praise band" situations, you can either have an unworkable
situation with "real drums" vs an untuned "baby grand"--whatever THAT
means, or an E-kit and a digital piano that's "Good Enough." I'd no
sooner confuse an E-piano action with a Steinway, but it Just Works
and solves a HEAP of technical problems in an affordable way.

Many people's theology of worship music suggests that the purpose of worship
music is to improve the quality of the worship experience itself, which
means not getting hung up on impressing the worshipers with fancy footwork.
In many cases, the first priority goal, which is not always met, is to
simply avoid upsetting the worship experience by making truely ugly noises
in the name of music.

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On 2004-12-08 said:
Plexiglas ain't cheap, but neither are good electronic drums.
Methinks that the electronic drums are the Final Solution.
Electronic drums remove any possibility of playing with musical
subtlety. It's like playing a bad electric keyboard when you
wanted a piano.
Next time you're around an electronic kit ask for a snare drum roll.
Ask for jazz brushes. Ask for soft beaters on tom-tom quasi
timpani.
WHich is why gOod electronic drums is an oxymoron. IF I"m paying a
drummer I expect real drums. OTherwise I can do waht those electronic
drums can do with a rack mounted drum module.



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Electric SPider Productions, New Orleans, La.
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