"dave weil" wrote in message

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:43:51 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:54:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


That didn't seem to bother you when he was on your side.

It didn't bother me more after he turned against me.

Now *this* is choice. He defended you for quite a while until *you*
turned on him.

Prove that I turned on him first. We all know that as a rule you're
delusional, Weil.

Back in May:


http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-8&selm=b9tjle%244i8%241%40geraldo.cc.utexas.edu

He wondered why everyone picked on you.


http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...&ie=UTF-8&oe=U
TF-8&selm=b9uaav%24fkg%241%40geraldo.cc.utexas.edu

He was aghast that someone would mention your tragedy (ask yourself
why the turnaround, since he seemed so compassionate back then)


http://www.google.com/groups?q=krueg....opinion& hl=
en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=2003&as_m axd
=24&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=2003&selm=ihi1fvgd6ivlc131cd hj54r7qfo00hf5v3%404ax.com
&rnum=4

Still on "your side" in June.

This seems to be the point where you decided to turn on him:


http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...&ie=UTF-8&oe=U
TF-8&selm=9JGcndP_lOWOaIaiXTWJjQ%40comcast.com

"If you had a clue about how weapons work, and the exigencies of
finding something that someone wants to hide, you'd not be the least
bit surprised".

Note the snotty turn of phrase that you are so expert at.

All I can say is Weil, if that count's as turning on someone, then so be it.
I think you're delusional. I suppose you expect all your friends to pat you
on your head and tell you that you are right when you are wrong.

Once the ice
is broken, the casual observer can follow the rest of the thread to
see how it goes downhill after that. Yes, it was *you* who threw the
first snot ball and destroyed another supporter.

According to the highly biased snot judgements of David Weil, well-known
victim of and hater of Arny Krueger.

You just can't help yourself.

In your jaundiced view, Weil.

Come back when you've got something that isn't contaminated by your
perverted opinions, Weil.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:28:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:43:51 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:54:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


That didn't seem to bother you when he was on your side.

It didn't bother me more after he turned against me.

Now *this* is choice. He defended you for quite a while until *you*
turned on him.

Prove that I turned on him first. We all know that as a rule you're
delusional, Weil.

Back in May:


http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-8&selm=b9tjle%244i8%241%40geraldo.cc.utexas.edu

He wondered why everyone picked on you.


http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...&ie=UTF-8&oe=U
TF-8&selm=b9uaav%24fkg%241%40geraldo.cc.utexas.edu

He was aghast that someone would mention your tragedy (ask yourself
why the turnaround, since he seemed so compassionate back then)


http://www.google.com/groups?q=krueg....opinion& hl=
en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=2003&as_m axd
=24&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=2003&selm=ihi1fvgd6ivlc131c dhj54r7qfo00hf5v3%404ax.com
&rnum=4

Still on "your side" in June.

This seems to be the point where you decided to turn on him:


http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...&ie=UTF-8&oe=U
TF-8&selm=9JGcndP_lOWOaIaiXTWJjQ%40comcast.com

"If you had a clue about how weapons work, and the exigencies of
finding something that someone wants to hide, you'd not be the least
bit surprised".

Note the snotty turn of phrase that you are so expert at.

All I can say is Weil, if that count's (sic) as turning on someone, then so be it.
I think you're delusional. I suppose you expect all your friends to pat you
on your head and tell you that you are right when you are wrong.

Ahhhh, I see. Can't disprove my proof. Thanks for abjectly throwing up
your hands in defeat.

Once the ice
is broken, the casual observer can follow the rest of the thread to
see how it goes downhill after that. Yes, it was *you* who threw the
first snot ball and destroyed another supporter.

According to the highly biased snot judgements of David Weil, well-known
victim of and hater of Arny Krueger.

No, according to Google. The interested party can follow the thread
and make up his or her own mind.

You just can't help yourself.

In your jaundiced view, Weil.

No, you've proved it over and over again. Thank you for allowing me to
point this out using a recent and easily accessable example!

Come back when you've got something that isn't contaminated by your
perverted opinions, Weil.

Or supported by Google, you mean...

BTW, for newbies, this is how is starts. You disagree with Mr.
Krueger, politely and with the intent of having a debate, and he
throws a snotty comment your way, which opens the door for an
escalation of flames. And then he denies any personal responsibility
for causing the problem.

"dave weil" wrote in message


Snip repetitive BS

BTW, for newbies, this is how is starts. You disagree with Mr.
Krueger, politely and with the intent of having a debate, and he
throws a snotty comment your way, which opens the door for an
escalation of flames. And then he denies any personal responsibility
for causing the problem.

In fact no sane newbie is going to go back far enough to see how it REALLY
started.

Here's to the best of my google's searching, Dave Weil's first post on RAO
that mentioned me:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=n5...dubr%404 ax.c
om

It was posted April 16, 2001 at 11:11 PST.

He attacked me and trolled me:

"One of the things that bothers me about Paul Wagner's condemnation of
certain people of this newsgroup is that it doesn't seem to do RAO any
damage when Arnold Krueger calls people liars (without substantiation
even - and on the day after Easter yet.)"

"PS, I'll bet you that Mr. Krueger wouldn't call Marc Phillips a liar
to his face."

I didn't respond.

Here's to the best of my google's searching, first post on RAO where I
mentioned Dave Weil:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=cc...news.flash.net

It was posted April 18, 2001 at 4:18 PST, about 2 days later.

It's a pure on-topic post about audio.

Bottom line, Weil gratuitously attacked and trolled me repeatedly until I
responded negatively to him.

Nothing has changed.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:14:18 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


Snip repetitive BS

BTW, for newbies, this is how is starts. You disagree with Mr.
Krueger, politely and with the intent of having a debate, and he
throws a snotty comment your way, which opens the door for an
escalation of flames. And then he denies any personal responsibility
for causing the problem.

In fact no sane newbie is going to go back far enough to see how it REALLY
started.

Alla sane newbie has to do is access a current thread, the one that I
referenced, to see how you shat all over Schizoid Man. As i said
earlier, thanks for making it so easy to point it out in a timely
manner.

Here's to the best of my google's searching,

LOL!

Dave Weil's first post on RAO
that mentioned me:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=n5...br%404 ax.com

It was posted April 16, 2001 at 11:11 PST.

He attacked me and trolled me:

"One of the things that bothers me about Paul Wagner's condemnation of
certain people of this newsgroup is that it doesn't seem to do RAO any
damage when Arnold Krueger calls people liars (without substantiation
even - and on the day after Easter yet.)"

"PS, I'll bet you that Mr. Krueger wouldn't call Marc Phillips a liar
to his face."

First of all, you've proven once again your inability to use a search
engine. That was hardly the frst time I "mentioned you" on RAO. That
honor would have been almost 2 years prior. Here's one of the first
examples:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1086716117d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=3790844E.130424A9%40mindspring.com
From: dave weil )
Subject: Amplifier choices - recommendations please?
View: Complete Thread (249 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
Date: 1999/07/17

"Edward M. Shain" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:50:56 GMT, "Arny Krüger"
wrote:

Arnold,

Jaysus!! I'm flabbergasted, close to speechless.

Your best, most helpful post ever, as far as I'm concerned. I
left your post intact. Without getting too overwrought, the post was
well-written, clear, informative and useful.

Don't do this too often, Arnold. It's bad for my digestive
system.

Ed

I agree! (except for the last part g)

Another choice example from the same time period:

From: Arny Krüger )
Subject: How long will it take Arny....
View: Complete Thread (19 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
Date: 1999/06/24

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=weil+krueger+group:rec.audio.opinion&hl=e n&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny= 1981&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2000&selm=97pc3. 1969%24qd.1272%40news.rdc1.mi.home.com&rnum=21

"the software ABX Comparator will quite likely disabuse you of your
dreams of exceptional hearing quite quickly".

Note the snotty comment that sounds almost like the one you tossed out
to Schizoid Man.

Here's to the best of my google's searching, first post on RAO where I
mentioned Dave Weil:

Well, your best isn't good enough, now is it, Mr. Krueger?

LOL!

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=cc...news.flash.net

It was posted April 18, 2001 at 4:18 PST, about 2 days later.

It's a pure on-topic post about audio.

Bottom line, Weil gratuitously attacked and trolled me repeatedly until I
responded negatively to him.

Nothing has changed.

That's about 2 years after you snotted on me, you moron.

Nice avoidance of your personal responsibility, though.

Actually, I think that this might be the first occasion of us crossing
paths:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=370D3DC1.2255%40earthlink.net&p rev=/groups%3Fq%3Dweil%2Bkrueger%2Bgroup:rec.audio.opin ion%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D12%26as_m inm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D15%26as_maxm% 3D6%26as_maxy%3D1999%26selm%3D370BDDD2.383ABFC6%25 40worldnet.att.net%26rnum%3D1&as_drrb=b&as_maxd=8& as_maxm=4&as_maxy=1999&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_min y=1995

And it didn't take long for this to occur:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4149149987d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_miny= 1995&as_maxd=8&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=1999&selm=ATuO2.3 52%24wL5.1163%40news.flash.net&rnum=198

"Sorry about that bad accident that happened to your straw man... ;-)"

Nice opening salvo! That was only 4 days after I got here.

"dave weil" wrote in message

Actually, I think that this might be the first occasion of us crossing
paths:


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...hreadm=370D3DC
1.2255%40earthlink.net&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dweil%2Bkrueger%2Bgroup:rec.audio.o
pinion%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3
D12%26as_minm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D15% 26as_maxm%3D6%26as_maxy%3D
1999%26selm%3D370BDDD2.383ABFC6%2540worldnet.att.n et%26rnum%3D1&as_drrb=b&as
_maxd=8&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=1999&as_mind=29&as_minm= 3&as_miny=1995

Google comes up with the following:

--- begin long quote ---

From: Paul Wagner
Subject: Is Preference a Claim? (was recommended budget wires for
aerial)
Date: 1999/04/08
Message-ID: #1/1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References:



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Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion


dave weil wrote:

If you run into Leslie Schmidt of To The Moon publishers, say hello for
me, OK?

Good, good professional friend, and someone with enough integrity for
any dozen people...

--Paul Wagner--


--- end long quote ---

?????????????????????????????????????


And it didn't take long for this to occur:


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...lr=&ie=UTF-8&s
afe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_miny=199 5&as_maxd=8&as_maxm=4&as_m
axy=1999&selm=ATuO2.352%24wL5.1163%40news.flash.ne t&rnum=198

"Sorry about that bad accident that happened to your straw man... ;-)"

Nice opening salvo!

Actually, it was the conclusion.

Weil, are you this hypersensitive much?

I know the answer Weil, you are this hypersensitive all the time

That was only 4 days after I got here.

So I nailed you for making up a straw man. You should have learned to do
better, but you never did!

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:05:13 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

Actually, I think that this might be the first occasion of us crossing
paths:


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=370D3DC1.2255%40earthlink.net&p rev=/groups%3Fq%3Dweil%2Bkrueger%2Bgroup:rec.audio.opin ion%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D12%26as_m inm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D15%26as_maxm% 3D6%26as_maxy%3D1999%26selm%3D370BDDD2.383ABFC6%25 40worldnet.att.net%26rnum%3D1&as_drrb=b&as_maxd=8& as_maxm=4&as_maxy=1999&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_min y=1995

Google comes up with the following:

--- begin long quote ---

From: Paul Wagner
Subject: Is Preference a Claim? (was recommended budget wires for
aerial)
Date: 1999/04/08
Message-ID: #1/1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References:



X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-ELN-Date: 9 Apr 1999 07:53:32 GMT
X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Apr 9 00:55:06 1999
Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc.
Mime-Version: 1.0
Reply-To:
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion


dave weil wrote:

If you run into Leslie Schmidt of To The Moon publishers, say hello for
me, OK?

Good, good professional friend, and someone with enough integrity for
any dozen people...

--Paul Wagner--


--- end long quote ---

?????????????????????????????????????

Should have been this link:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...news.flash.net

Apparently I hadn't cleared my clipboard.

And it didn't take long for this to occur:


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4149149987d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_miny= 1995&as_maxd=8&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=1999&selm=ATuO2.3 52%24wL5.1163%40news.flash.net&rnum=198

"Sorry about that bad accident that happened to your straw man... ;-)"

Nice opening salvo!

Actually, it was the conclusion.

No, it was the first of many snotty comments. Up to that point, you
were fairly civil.

Weil, are you this hypersensitive much?

I know the answer Weil, you are this hypersensitive all the time

No more "hypersensitive" than you are...

ROFL!

That was only 4 days after I got here.

So I nailed you for making up a straw man. You should have learned to do
better, but you never did!

Just goes to show that all you are about is "nailing people". So much
for Mr. I Never Do Anything Wrong Krueger.