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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1096916320k@trad... In article writes: What problems? A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all. Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows XP? Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years. Ah, that's your problem. Yes I know. Unfortunately I have to make a living using the computer for other things, like programming. Seems like everytime I get a Windows upgrade or install much of anything, it breaks the music applications. I've gotten pretty good at getting things working though there have been times where I've had to start over with a fresh install of everything. --Nick |
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In article znr1097014723k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: Unfortunately I have to make a living using the computer for other things, like programming. Seems like everytime I get a Windows upgrade or install much of anything, it breaks the music applications. Just do fifteen minutes worth of work for a programming client, take the money for that job, and buy yourself another computer so you won't have to mess up your music applications when you mess with the work computer. You're worth it, and think of the time you'll save. Or, just get a second disk and make your system dual-boot. Boot from one disk when you want a programming platform, boot from the other when you want an audio workstation. --scott And I do feel sorry for anyone who is forced to program on Windows, but it probably beats working for Christian radio.... -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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In article znr1097014723k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: Unfortunately I have to make a living using the computer for other things, like programming. Seems like everytime I get a Windows upgrade or install much of anything, it breaks the music applications. Just do fifteen minutes worth of work for a programming client, take the money for that job, and buy yourself another computer so you won't have to mess up your music applications when you mess with the work computer. You're worth it, and think of the time you'll save. Or, just get a second disk and make your system dual-boot. Boot from one disk when you want a programming platform, boot from the other when you want an audio workstation. --scott And I do feel sorry for anyone who is forced to program on Windows, but it probably beats working for Christian radio.... -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Nick" wrote in message et... "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1096916320k@trad... In article writes: What problems? A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all. Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows XP? Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years. Ah, that's your problem. Yes I know. Unfortunately I have to make a living using the computer for other things, like programming. Seems like everytime I get a Windows upgrade or install much of anything, it breaks the music applications. I've gotten pretty good at getting things working though there have been times where I've had to start over with a fresh install of everything. --Nick Why is that a bad thing? Not commenting on your situation specifically, Nick, but people are really adverse to fresh installs of windows and I pretty much look at it as maintenance. It's been years since I've had the same install on one of my own machines for more than six months. Windows in particular degenerates as time passes. jb |
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"Nick" wrote in message et... "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1096916320k@trad... In article writes: What problems? A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all. Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows XP? Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years. Ah, that's your problem. Yes I know. Unfortunately I have to make a living using the computer for other things, like programming. Seems like everytime I get a Windows upgrade or install much of anything, it breaks the music applications. I've gotten pretty good at getting things working though there have been times where I've had to start over with a fresh install of everything. --Nick Why is that a bad thing? Not commenting on your situation specifically, Nick, but people are really adverse to fresh installs of windows and I pretty much look at it as maintenance. It's been years since I've had the same install on one of my own machines for more than six months. Windows in particular degenerates as time passes. jb |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Max Arwood" wrote in message Have you seen the new Layla G3? Looks very interesting on paper! http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Layla3G/index.php I'm not thrilled with the current trend of replacing two of the rear 1/4" ins with front mounted xlr pre's. The m-audio firewire interfaces do the same thing. It doesn't make it impossible to plug a snake into the thing, just sloppy and weird, especially when patchbays are involved. Doesn't anybody have other gear that they need to plug in, or are these things still aimed at people who are starting fresh? All I want from a 1394 audio card are eight ins and outs on 1/4" jacks and the ability to daisy chain the things. Simple, universal, and unavailable. jb |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Max Arwood" wrote in message Have you seen the new Layla G3? Looks very interesting on paper! http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Layla3G/index.php I'm not thrilled with the current trend of replacing two of the rear 1/4" ins with front mounted xlr pre's. The m-audio firewire interfaces do the same thing. It doesn't make it impossible to plug a snake into the thing, just sloppy and weird, especially when patchbays are involved. Doesn't anybody have other gear that they need to plug in, or are these things still aimed at people who are starting fresh? All I want from a 1394 audio card are eight ins and outs on 1/4" jacks and the ability to daisy chain the things. Simple, universal, and unavailable. jb |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago. This would be a false claim. Still no reports on RME cards after all these years? |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago. This would be a false claim. Still no reports on RME cards after all these years? |
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What about the Roland UA-1000 or the Presonus Firepod?
eric reddred wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Max Arwood" wrote in message om Have you seen the new Layla G3? Looks very interesting on paper! http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Layla3G/index.php I'm not thrilled with the current trend of replacing two of the rear 1/4" ins with front mounted xlr pre's. The m-audio firewire interfaces do the same thing. It doesn't make it impossible to plug a snake into the thing, just sloppy and weird, especially when patchbays are involved. Doesn't anybody have other gear that they need to plug in, or are these things still aimed at people who are starting fresh? All I want from a 1394 audio card are eight ins and outs on 1/4" jacks and the ability to daisy chain the things. Simple, universal, and unavailable. jb |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
... And I do feel sorry for anyone who is forced to program on Windows, but it probably beats working for Christian radio.... Up until about March of 2000, it was a fantastic day job/career. Now it's not. --Nick |
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"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message
Sorry, I clicked on the first link on top of the soundcard section (full report) which hasn't been updated since 3/22/2000 according to the page itself. Not sure how I was supposed to get to these newer pages of yours, but thanks for pointing them out.  http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm |
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"Kevin D. Kissell" wrote in
message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message Sorry, I clicked on the first link on top of the soundcard section (full report) which hasn't been updated since 3/22/2000 according to the page itself. Not sure how I was supposed to get to these newer pages of yours, but thanks for pointing them out. http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm That's a pretty old table, though. Most of the cards on it aren't even on the market any more. That means that people can compare the card they now may have, to what they want to upgrade to. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message Sorry, I clicked on the first link on top of the soundcard section (full report) which hasn't been updated since 3/22/2000 according to the page itself. Not sure how I was supposed to get to these newer pages of yours, but thanks for pointing them out. http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm That's a pretty old table, though. Most of the cards on it aren't even on the market any more. |
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You wrote on 03 Oct 2004 21:07:48 GMT:
?? I really can't decide between the three companies. ?? F Yugo---Daiwoo---Porsche911Turbo F Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. / F http://www.fulltone.com Erm, more like BMW M3 SMG, Subaru Impreza STi, Porsche 911 Turbo. But we wouldn't want to promote silly comparisons that are meaningless at best at elitist at worst, right? Ryan |
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In article ,
Ryan Mitchley wrote: You wrote on 03 Oct 2004 21:07:48 GMT: ?? I really can't decide between the three companies. ?? F Yugo---Daiwoo---Porsche911Turbo F Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. / F http://www.fulltone.com Erm, more like BMW M3 SMG, Subaru Impreza STi, Porsche 911 Turbo. But we wouldn't want to promote silly comparisons that are meaningless at best at elitist at worst, right? No, I don't think you get up to the M3 and 911 range until you start talking about external stuff like Prism or Lavry. This is more of the Yugo vs. Toyota debate. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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I have the Edirol/Roland UA-1000. For me, it works well and, since all the
IO that is on the front is replicated on the back, you can use a snake with it. The only drawback I have found is that the sample rate is a knob on the front and can't be controlled with software. Additionally, changing the sample rate with the knob requires a reboot of the unit (!?!?) turing test "Eric Deibler" wrote in message ... What about the Roland UA-1000 or the Presonus Firepod? eric reddred wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Max Arwood" wrote in message . com Have you seen the new Layla G3? Looks very interesting on paper! http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Layla3G/index.php I'm not thrilled with the current trend of replacing two of the rear 1/4" ins with front mounted xlr pre's. The m-audio firewire interfaces do the same thing. It doesn't make it impossible to plug a snake into the thing, just sloppy and weird, especially when patchbays are involved. Doesn't anybody have other gear that they need to plug in, or are these things still aimed at people who are starting fresh? All I want from a 1394 audio card are eight ins and outs on 1/4" jacks and the ability to daisy chain the things. Simple, universal, and unavailable. jb |
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How does it perform in SONAR?
eric turing test wrote: I have the Edirol/Roland UA-1000. For me, it works well and, since all the IO that is on the front is replicated on the back, you can use a snake with it. The only drawback I have found is that the sample rate is a knob on the front and can't be controlled with software. Additionally, changing the sample rate with the knob requires a reboot of the unit (!?!?) turing test |
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I use it in Sonar, Live, and other audio programs with no problems at all.
I have not tried to record all 8 inputs at once, but I have played back through 8 different outputs with no issues. They provide ASIO drivers so you can get the latency quite low. turing test "Eric Deibler" wrote in message ... How does it perform in SONAR? eric turing test wrote: I have the Edirol/Roland UA-1000. For me, it works well and, since all the IO that is on the front is replicated on the back, you can use a snake with it. The only drawback I have found is that the sample rate is a knob on the front and can't be controlled with software. Additionally, changing the sample rate with the knob requires a reboot of the unit (!?!?) turing test |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
.. That's also the approximate order of technical quality from high to lower. Based on what? Drivers, features, build quality.... Would you say there is a difference in sound quality? If so, is that based on subjective evaluation or specs? |
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"Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message ... Still no reports on RME cards after all these years? Send him one and I bet he'll test it. Better yet, send it to me and I will do a more thorough test for you :-) TonyP. |
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:07:04 GMT, "Nick"
wrote: And I do feel sorry for anyone who is forced to program on Windows, but it probably beats working for Christian radio.... Up until about March of 2000, it was a fantastic day job/career. Now it's not. Were they ****ed off because Armageddon, or whatever they call it, didn't arrive on cue for the Millennium? CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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On 6 Oct 2004 20:42:32 -0400, (Mike Rivers) wrote:
Trust, mainly. I know that it's supposed to be possible to "reinstall Windows" without changing anything else If you get problems, that isn't what you want. You want a fresh install onto a cleanly-formatted partition. That would require re-installing all of my applications. They're not broken so I shouldn't have to re-install them. Your programs don't sit on top of Windows, using it only for basic in-out functions and the like. They are intimately entwined with Windows. Installing a program may change Windows system files - indeed it can be futile trying to define whether some files ARE program-owned or Windows-owned. As you only use a few programs, re-installing would hardly be onerous. If you get any problems, I strongly recommend a full, clean install of everything. if you don't get problems, of course I recommend leaving things well alone :-) CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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FWIW, I find it variously interesting or amusing when I hear people
(including friends and others I respect) making comments like... "sound card ABCD sounds a lot better than WXYZ - I had a WXYZ, but over the weekend I uninstalled it and installed an ABCD, and the difference was amazing - more detailed, warmer, ... endless mindless blather, etc" Of course most of the observed effect is... - listening to WXYZ when tired at the end of a session - the expectation of improvement (new cars go faster) - listening to ABCD when refreshed at the beginning of a new session - more subtle things - eg, a friend recently replaced a Hoontech system with a Layla G3, and pronounced the Layla sounded a lot better, and a lot louder (higher level outputs); of course louder generally does sound better. On 6 Oct 2004 16:55:51 -0700, (ap) wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... . That's also the approximate order of technical quality from high to lower. Based on what? Drivers, features, build quality.... Would you say there is a difference in sound quality? If so, is that based on subjective evaluation or specs? Tony (remove the "_" to reply by email) |
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"TonyP" wrote in message
"Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message ... Still no reports on RME cards after all these years? Send him one and I bet he'll test it. Indeed. Better yet, send it to me and I will do a more thorough test for you :-) Are you sure about that? |
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"ap" wrote in message
om "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... . That's also the approximate order of technical quality from high to lower. Based on what? The categories shows. Drivers, features, build quality.... Obviously, all the drivers worked pretty well, and none of the cards fell apart in typical use. Would you say there is a difference in sound quality? On a list that covers the range shown at http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm ??? #@ll yes, there's a difference in sound quality between the card at the top of the list, and the one at the bottom. A huge one. If so, is that based on subjective evaluation or specs? Both. At the top of the list, the cards can only be reliably differentiated by technical performance. At the bottom of the list, if you can't hear the differences, you don't belong in the audio business. Seriously. The game starts shifting above the approximate upper 1/3 of the list. Detailed listening test studies of several of the cards are provided at http://www.pcabx.com/product/soundcard/index.htm , and linked out of the relevant technical test reports. |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
... On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:07:04 GMT, "Nick" wrote: And I do feel sorry for anyone who is forced to program on Windows, but it probably beats working for Christian radio.... Up until about March of 2000, it was a fantastic day job/career. Now it's not. Were they ****ed off because Armageddon, or whatever they call it, didn't arrive on cue for the Millennium? The full answer is complex and I don't even know all of it. A lot of companies did break the bank fixing all the Y2K bugs (which were real BTW). I do think there was some managerial backlash over that. Whatever the reason, starting around the time of the NASDAQ crash, it became harder and harder to find enough work. And then things *really* got bad after the 9/11 attacks. Competition from programmers in India and elsewhere is also part of it, but not the whole story. Major new IT projects are typically expensive and risky. I think a lot of executives just aren't willing to take those kinds of risks in the current economic situation. In any case, once lucrative IT contracts are much shorter, they pay far less per hour, and they're harder to come by than any time I've ever seen since I got out of graduate school in 1988. --Nick |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote:
As you only use a few programs, re-installing would hardly be onerous. It's not reinstalling programs that's the hassle -- it's: 1. finding, downloading and reinstalling all the updates and patches, and 2. reconfiguring all the preference settings, screen layouts and menu formats that finally became useful, comfortable and co-operative with everything else on the machine after months of screwing around. I figured I'd get around the problem by buying Norton Ghost and creating a clone of my drive every time I made a "successful" change. That way I could truly "go back" if I messed something up or had a drive failure. No joy. My laptop has no floppy drive. I finally broke down and bought an external one for WAY too much money, only to discover that the machine obviously can't boot from a USB device. @#$&*!!! -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:11:12 GMT, "Nick"
wrote: And I do feel sorry for anyone who is forced to program on Windows, but it probably beats working for Christian radio.... Up until about March of 2000, it was a fantastic day job/career. Now it's not. Were they ****ed off because Armageddon, or whatever they call it, didn't arrive on cue for the Millennium? The full answer is complex and I don't even know all of it. A lot of companies did break the bank fixing all the Y2K bugs.. I meant Christian radio, actually :-) CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
... A lot of companies did break the bank fixing all the Y2K bugs.. I meant Christian radio, actually :-) Oh. Well, I guess if you were PLANNING to be part of the rapture, you might find yourself a bit cash short now, still being alive in the world and all. ;-) --Nick |
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"Nick" wrote in message et... "Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:07:04 GMT, "Nick" wrote: And I do feel sorry for anyone who is forced to program on Windows, but it probably beats working for Christian radio.... Up until about March of 2000, it was a fantastic day job/career. Now it's not. Were they ****ed off because Armageddon, or whatever they call it, didn't arrive on cue for the Millennium? The full answer is complex and I don't even know all of it. A lot of companies did break the bank fixing all the Y2K bugs (which were real BTW). I do think there was some managerial backlash over that. Whatever the reason, starting around the time of the NASDAQ crash, it became harder and harder to find enough work. And then things *really* got bad after the 9/11 attacks. Competition from programmers in India and elsewhere is also part of it, but not the whole story. Major new IT projects are typically expensive and risky. I think a lot of executives just aren't willing to take those kinds of risks in the current economic situation. In any case, once lucrative IT contracts are much shorter, they pay far less per hour, and they're harder to come by than any time I've ever seen since I got out of graduate school in 1988. Yeah. I'm writing a book. It's more fun at this point anyway. jb |
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Yeah, I've been to your site and found it to be a great help to a
certain level. But when you get to the subtle differences at the top of the list, I can't see anything on your site that clearly shows any difference between the Lynx and the rest at the top- which includes the delta 1010, and it's probably fair to guess the new Layla would make it as well. The delta 1010 is tested with Rightmark but Lynx isn't, so it's difficult to understand any minute differences without someone holding your hand- "see how this curve goes up 2 points here, well THIS curve goes up 3!" From: Tony ) FWIW, I find it variously interesting or amusing when I hear people (including friends and others I respect) making comments like... "sound card ABCD sounds a lot better than WXYZ - I had a WXYZ, but over the weekend I uninstalled it and installed an ABCD, and the difference was amazing - more detailed, warmer, ... endless mindless blather, etc" Of course most of the observed effect is... - listening to WXYZ when tired at the end of a session - the expectation of improvement (new cars go faster) - listening to ABCD when refreshed at the beginning of a new session - more subtle things - eg, a friend recently replaced a Hoontech system with a Layla G3, and pronounced the Layla sounded a lot better, and a lot louder (higher level outputs); of course louder generally does sound better. That pretty much sums up my feelings. This board seems to have a healthy skepticism of the audiophile crowd, but when it comes to comparing "pro-sumer" soundcards and high-end converters, it sounds very similar to people who hear the difference after painting speaker wire with "audiophile grade laquer"- or was it enamel? Wouldn't it be great if all the popular soundcards and converters were truly put head-to-head in controlled double blind listening tests and super-high-tech-gee-wiz tests above and beyond the usual THD, FR, etc. It seems like some company out there would be capable of pulling this off, and it seems so obvious, and would benefit them greatly if their claims of superiority could be proven true. I suspect they can't prove shiznit and know it. Until then, I view most comparisons as audiophile balogna. I don't know where the "perfect enough for humans" point is, but I suspect the sound from all three of these cards is indistinguishable from anything else out there. What features do you need(motu), and how much do you value impressing clients(protools, even 001 will do- too bad mackie or peavey don't make a soundcard, they would like, rule, dude.) |
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