Danny Taddei wrote:



El Queso wrote:



I never said that, I just said the industry steals at least as much
from the artist as any pirate. **** off if you need to be a bitch
about it.
Queso


Me being a bitch? Dam man, you need to read your tone. You can be pretty
harsh and insulting and frankly, you had a bit bite me coming!


You seemed like a self-righteous idiot to me.
Queso

Chel van Gennip wrote:

I think my first e-mail addres was somewhere in 1984, I think it was a
Bitnet or UUCP address.

I still have some business cards in my desk that list me as being
{well-connected-site}!inhp4!akgua!gatech!gitpyr!notavax!kludge
I think. I recall having to explain what the hell this thing
was to the guy who was printing my cards, and he only had one font
available with curly braces.

This makes me feel old.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article writes:

Would you listen in real time and make
your decision?

I've done that on occation... There are sites that enables "listen before
you buy". Amazon.co.uk is an example.
Both MS Media-Player and RealPlayer supports "listen only" streams.

On a computer it is possible to save anything you hear ... just set the
record source to "what you hear" in most audio recorder programs.

That's the equivalent of bypassing any copy protection scheme by
recording in real time. The thing about P2P file transfers is that,
given a high speed Internet connection on both ends, it's very fast
and you don't have to listen in real time. In fact, you don't ever
have to listen at all. I know people who own many CDs that are still
in their shrink wrap. I suppose there are people who have music files
downloaded that they've never listened to.

The
solution to that issue is to only release a minute or so of the song for
streaming.

I'm sure there would be objections to that, both from the listener (of
course) and from the artist who doesn't have a full representation of
his talents. What would be better would be a file that only plays a
limited number of times, or for a limited time period. I download lots
of demo programs that are like that - they work pretty much as
advertised, but for only 30 days or they only run 10 times.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Barnes &Noble has a neat system where you can here every track from any
cd in thier store
just pass the bar code under a scanner at the listening station and
abour 30 seconds of every cut from any cd is avaiable for you to listen
to

That's really cool, except the part about the 30 seconds. Only radio
station program directors get to make decisions based on the first 30
(or more likely, 10) seconds.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Verry good point, the only problem is that if you can stream it, you can
either capture the data or record the outputs of your sound card.

Human nature being what it is, I suspect that a system like this
(listen-only streaming) would only be effective with honest people.
Dishonest people wouldn't bother with it because it takes too much
time to get the file stored on to their computer. By golly, you
actually have to spend as much time capturing the file as to LISTEN TO
IT. Nobody with a collection of 200 gigabytes of MP3s has that much
time. g



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

I still have some business cards in my desk that list me as being
{well-connected-site}!inhp4!akgua!gatech!gitpyr!notavax!kludge


The reason for the "I'm really " in my .sig is
because somewhere along the chain, the address got converted to bang!
format, which wasn't properly translated into a valid reply-to address
by some other systems. Some people got the hint, others just made fun
of it (and still do).



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

El Queso wrote:

You seemed like a self-righteous idiot to me.
Queso
You seem like an uneducated screaming kid with no concept of who is
right in the face of the laws that runs our country (the USA - where
most popular music is made) and make up the music business. That is a
gathered opinion from your collective bone-head and self absorbed posts,
the few here that there are.

A lot of these systems only give you the BEGINNING 30 seconds of each
track, which on certain tracks means you only get to hear a rhythm
line and nothing else. If they allowed you to start from the MIDDLE of
certain tracks, it would improve the decision process immensely.

Personally, I like those artists who have web sites where you can
listen to 2 or 3 (or more) songs from their album before ordering it.




(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1088679448k@trad...
In article writes:

Barnes &Noble has a neat system where you can here every track from any
cd in thier store
just pass the bar code under a scanner at the listening station and
abour 30 seconds of every cut from any cd is avaiable for you to listen
to

That's really cool, except the part about the 30 seconds. Only radio
station program directors get to make decisions based on the first 30
(or more likely, 10) seconds.

In article ,
(Paul) wrote:

A lot of these systems only give you the BEGINNING 30 seconds of each
track, which on certain tracks means you only get to hear a rhythm
line and nothing else. If they allowed you to start from the MIDDLE of
certain tracks, it would improve the decision process immensely.

Personally, I like those artists who have web sites where you can
listen to 2 or 3 (or more) songs from their album before ordering it.



The one I used started at some seemingly random point in the song
George

I met a kid that was bragging how all he has to do is stream the song
and another piece of software captured the song to digital so streaming
isn't the answer either. I like the in store route and possibly, for a
while, until someone writes an ap to get around it, streaming video. (if
someone could teach me how :-)

Paul wrote:

A lot of these systems only give you the BEGINNING 30 seconds of each
track, which on certain tracks means you only get to hear a rhythm
line and nothing else. If they allowed you to start from the MIDDLE of
certain tracks, it would improve the decision process immensely.

Personally, I like those artists who have web sites where you can
listen to 2 or 3 (or more) songs from their album before ordering it.




(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1088679448k@trad...

In article writes:


Barnes &Noble has a neat system where you can here every track from any
cd in thier store
just pass the bar code under a scanner at the listening station and
abour 30 seconds of every cut from any cd is avaiable for you to listen
to

That's really cool, except the part about the 30 seconds. Only radio
station program directors get to make decisions based on the first 30
(or more likely, 10) seconds.

I let this one slide somewhat, but George Petersen had a great opener in Mix
this month (yes, my wife renewed thinking that's what I wanted). Seems
Clear Channel took some off the shelf software/hardware and "designed" a
system for doing live recordings/duplications and patented the product.

So now, apparently Clear Channel believes that we all owe them money when we
do live recordings and produce CDs from our efforts.

That's a much more imperative topic, since we've been over the "internet
piracy" and Intellectual Property Theft problems since 1998. A google
search should provide ample information on that topic, but when it comes
down to absolutely stealing money from hard working people's pockets using
off the shelf consumer/prosumer products by claiming a patent is way off
base. Surely Bush will rule upon this soon since the Supreme Court is now
out of session.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" "Charles wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:54:10 +1200, Geoff Wood -nospam
wrote:
Danny Taddei wrote:



I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There are songs that I have
written that did very well nationally and over seas that are being
downloaded left and right. I lose money from mp3's being out there.

I am suggesting that a large proportion of the zillions of kids (and
older)
who will download mp3s are unlikely to be valid purchasers of the music
if
freebies were unavailable.


If "the industry" hadn't stopped selling singles . . .

My sisters and I grew up on CHEAP singles--mighta cost a quarter?. A
buck or two for a single, or for a LEGITIMATE download--even tied to one
machine, hey, it's CHEAP, just get another one.

Ironically, when my sister's weekly budget became album (and later CD)
friendly, they spent less . . . ya know, an album costs SEVEN whole
dollars . . . and required thought, whereas a single was just pinball
money.

They shoulda got folks into the "Download singles for a fee" pattern
early . .heck, they could still do it successfully if they offered
a better quality product than kids can boost.

Danny Taddei wrote:



El Queso wrote:

You seemed like a self-righteous idiot to me.
Queso

You seem like an uneducated screaming

I haven't been screaming, quit playing victim.

kid with no concept of who is
right

I know that the industry continually ****s artists out of billions per
year. You're a ****ing uncle tom.

in the face of the laws that runs our country (the USA - where
most popular music is made)

What the hell do I care about what is popular?

and make up the music business. That is a
gathered opinion from your collective bone-head and self absorbed posts,
the few here that there are.

You strike me as a whiny bitch, who is happier to cry and whine than to
actually do anything about anything. You decry the evil downloaders and
then get your panties in a bunch when people laugh at your idiocy. You
are a horse-shoe salesman, and the internet is the railroad. You lose,
dinosaur. Find a new business nmodel or go extinct.
Queso

In article none ** Danny Taddei ** writes:

I met a kid that was bragging how all he has to do is stream the song
and another piece of software captured the song to digital so streaming
isn't the answer either.

All you need to do is turn on the radio and hook a recorder up to it
and you've captured the song, too. But people just don't DO that. They
want fast downloads and listen some other time, maybe.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

I let this one slide somewhat, but George Petersen had a great opener in Mix
this month (yes, my wife renewed thinking that's what I wanted). Seems
Clear Channel took some off the shelf software/hardware and "designed" a
system for doing live recordings/duplications and patented the product.

So now, apparently Clear Channel believes that we all owe them money when we
do live recordings and produce CDs from our efforts.

I was kind of surprised when I read that. It either says a lot about
what's wrong with our patent system or it says that George doens't
fully understand (or rather, he probaby understands very well, 'cause
he's a sharp guy, and had reasons for not telling the whole story) the
system that Clear Channel has patented.

I thought when I saw the title that it was going to be about something
we've discussed here before - where you've recorded a show (or someone
has recorded YOUR show) and now someone wants to put out a CD. Who
owns what pieces of the pie? Instead, it's about who owns an idea to
make recordings of a show, duplicate the recording on site, and sell
the recordings.

Frankly, I can't see how owning a patent on even the concept can
affect the right of ownership of the material, but I can see that the
law is sufficiently twisted that the patent holder can claim a right
to the process and therefore is entitled to a license fee even if the
user has built his own version of the equipment. It's kind of like
Microsoft wanting a piece of every operating system that anyone wrote
(can you say Linux?) that runs on an Intel computer.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

El Queso wrote:

You strike me as a whiny bitch, who is happier to cry and whine than to
actually do anything about anything. You decry the evil downloaders and
then get your panties in a bunch when people laugh at your idiocy. You
are a horse-shoe salesman, and the internet is the railroad. You lose,
dinosaur. Find a new business nmodel or go extinct.
Queso


Quesodia,

You're nothing and you don't even know it. The people you are going
against are people you could only dream of being.

Mike Rivers wrote:

In article none ** Danny Taddei ** writes:


I met a kid that was bragging how all he has to do is stream the song
and another piece of software captured the song to digital so streaming
isn't the answer either.


All you need to do is turn on the radio and hook a recorder up to it
and you've captured the song, too. But people just don't DO that. They
want fast downloads and listen some other time, maybe.
\

You're right - but the digital thing is so much better and so fast. I
think when we were kids the sound off the radio wasn't good enough but
these days mp3's are. I use to tape stuff off the radio and then buy it
when it came out. Kids don't do that anymore and that is the difference.
What the hell, I'm going to retire in a few years anyway.

Mike Rivers wrote:
In article none ** Danny Taddei ** writes:

I met a kid that was bragging how all he has to do is stream the song
and another piece of software captured the song to digital so
streaming isn't the answer either.

All you need to do is turn on the radio and hook a recorder up to it
and you've captured the song, too. But people just don't DO that. They
want fast downloads and listen some other time, maybe.

Speeding is illegal. That's the objection, and the ease.

geoff

Hi,

In message , Ben Bradley
writes

I used Fidonet, that was around 1988-93. I never got one of those
fancy offline readers I read about, I just read and ASCII-captured
messages from the local BBS's with a terminal program on the Mac (Red
Ryder).
Is there an archive of any fidonet stuff?

There are a bunch of systems with a full copy of the old Flight Path
BBS (2:254/99) still working in a friend's flat near here (about a mile
from Heathrow airport). I used to co-sysop that BBS. We never did get
around to making the stuff available via the web, despite our best
intentions. It all still works, and when it's turned on (not often!), it
runs Frontdoor and Remote Access.

There must be about 60 gigs of Fidonet stuff on there. It doesn't sound
like much now, but data was smaller back then :-)

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

"Romeo Rondeau" wrote:

wrote
your mother.


Hmm, an asshole

Michael Weischnitt wrote:

I have written a free Mac OS X application, called mpThrasher, which
makes a corrupt copy of selected mp3 files, degrading their audio
quality while keeping them playable and preserving ID3 tags.


Hey. Just what I want. Something to make my music sound even ****tier.

RYRYRYRYRYRYRY Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the
party.

50 bauds. Those were the days. When men were men (and some women were men
too).

geoff

Chel van Gennip wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:06:29 +0200, Geoff Wood wrote:
RYRYRYRYRYRYRY Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid
of the party.

50 bauds. Those were the days. When men were men (and some women
were men too).

The 110/150/300 baud modems (Bell 103) started about 1962. I think 50
or 45 baud was used before that for Telex machines, text telephones
for deaf etc. There have been some implementations with computers at
50 baud, but primairly to uses existing telex machines and networks.

That's right. Teleprinters. I worked on the ancient Creeds, and after that
the more modern electro-mechanical Olivetti 315s , then the wow-electronic
400 series. On 'transmission' systems that became a FSK at the 50 baud rate.

RYRYRY was (in the 5 bit baudot code) 10101 and 01010 , which was the
maximum you could stress a circuit. Good old logic level of +/- 80V . All
this whimpy 5V logic trash nowadays ...

geoff

I remember the 110 baud modem days :-) Gosh I'm old! Compuserve anyone?

Ah the good old days. LOL

How well I remember them.

Michael Weischnitt wrote:

Fellow musicians and songwriters, we must get together and fight for our
rights NOW: this robbery has been going on for too long !

We have had this thread once.

If you want to support this cause, use mpThrasher to make
degraded copies of your mp3s and share them on your favorite
(or least favorite) network(s).

I'd like to know just why a 40 piece band orders only 10 CD's of an
event recording paid for via the CD order. I like the band(s) better
that asked: how much do we pay for once CD for unlimited internal
copying, they at least were honest about it.

Please visit:

http://mpthrasher.altervista.org/

Michael Weischnitt


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
*******************************************
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Michael Weischnitt" wrote in message


Fellow musicians and songwriters, we must get together and fight for
our rights NOW: this robbery has been going on for too long !

I have written a free Mac OS X application, called mpThrasher, which
makes a corrupt copy of selected mp3 files, degrading their audio
quality while keeping them playable and preserving ID3 tags.

Seems like you'd want to quickly port your program to Windows so the other
95% of the people who might want to use it could do so.

Don't worry Arny, the Macists are dedicated and will make all people
honest, they simply try harder. (Avis: contact me for how to remit
money!)

O;-)


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
*******************************************
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************