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Hearing protection for working dogs?
I'm playing in the house band at an open stage, and over the past few weeks
a fellow has shown up to play drums. The guy is blind, with a golden Lab-mix seeing eye dog. We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears. Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. FWIW, the guy is a pretty good drummer, too. He's made me realize how many times I try to cue a drummer visually, though... Thanks. Dave O'Heare oheare at magma dot ca |
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David O'H wrote:
Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. I think the first thing is to make the owner aware of the situation, or does he already know? What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. Try contacting http://www.petmar.com/ They make lots of equipment for training Police and Military dogs. They may have something to protect animal hearing when firearms are being used. Chris -- The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long, but the words of the wise are quiet and few. -- |
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David O'H wrote:
Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. I think the first thing is to make the owner aware of the situation, or does he already know? What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. Try contacting http://www.petmar.com/ They make lots of equipment for training Police and Military dogs. They may have something to protect animal hearing when firearms are being used. Chris -- The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long, but the words of the wise are quiet and few. -- |
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Chris Whealy wrote:
David O'H wrote: Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. I think the first thing is to make the owner aware of the situation, or does he already know? What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. Try contacting http://www.petmar.com/ They make lots of equipment for training Police and Military dogs. They may have something to protect animal hearing when firearms are being used. Chris You could contact these people, who train service dogs: http://www.keystonehumanservices.org/ssd/ssd.php Let us know what they say! Chip Gallo www.chipster.biz |
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Chris Whealy wrote:
David O'H wrote: Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. I think the first thing is to make the owner aware of the situation, or does he already know? What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. Try contacting http://www.petmar.com/ They make lots of equipment for training Police and Military dogs. They may have something to protect animal hearing when firearms are being used. Chris You could contact these people, who train service dogs: http://www.keystonehumanservices.org/ssd/ssd.php Let us know what they say! Chip Gallo www.chipster.biz |
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In article , David O'H . wrote:
We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears. Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why not one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and a plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little engineering you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have it double for shipping instruments around too. I can't imagine dogs would accept earplugs, but a vet might know. I'm sure you could get earmolds done for dogs but I'm not sure the dog would let you use them. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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In article , David O'H . wrote:
We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears. Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why not one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and a plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little engineering you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have it double for shipping instruments around too. I can't imagine dogs would accept earplugs, but a vet might know. I'm sure you could get earmolds done for dogs but I'm not sure the dog would let you use them. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"David O'H" . wrote in message ...
I'm playing in the house band at an open stage, and over the past few weeks a fellow has shown up to play drums. The guy is blind, with a golden Lab-mix seeing eye dog. We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears. Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. FWIW, the guy is a pretty good drummer, too. He's made me realize how many times I try to cue a drummer visually, though... Thanks. Dave O'Heare oheare at magma dot ca This is animal abuse of the highest order. Don't let the guy back on stage with that dog again! Paws over his ears! For crying out loud, are you guys nuts? DaveT |
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"David O'H" . wrote in message ...
I'm playing in the house band at an open stage, and over the past few weeks a fellow has shown up to play drums. The guy is blind, with a golden Lab-mix seeing eye dog. We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears. Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. FWIW, the guy is a pretty good drummer, too. He's made me realize how many times I try to cue a drummer visually, though... Thanks. Dave O'Heare oheare at magma dot ca This is animal abuse of the highest order. Don't let the guy back on stage with that dog again! Paws over his ears! For crying out loud, are you guys nuts? DaveT |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
... In article , David O'H . wrote: What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why not one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and a plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little engineering you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have it double for shipping instruments around too. I was thinking something along similar lines, but simply using a dog crate - the kind they use to transport dogs in - they have solid sides up to about 3/4 of the way up & then they're vented with a metal cagelike grid, and the door is a metal grid, as well. You've probably seen 'em, yes? You can get one for less than $100 at Petsmart, or similar places, in a size appropirate for that breed; and if you get one the next size up from that which would be recommended for that size dog, then you'd have room to line it with some kind of sound-insulating material & still give him room to move around/stand up/lay with his head near the back instead of the open front (which is what the poor ******* would probably do if he had the chance). Even one of those without any insulation/padding would cut the noise level drastically for him. This way he could still be near his owner & not go deaf. Blind guy/deaf guide dog... not a great combination. Man, that's one loyal dog - I feel bad for him. -- Neil Henderson Progressive Rock http://www.saqqararecords.com |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
... In article , David O'H . wrote: What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas? Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here. hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why not one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and a plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little engineering you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have it double for shipping instruments around too. I was thinking something along similar lines, but simply using a dog crate - the kind they use to transport dogs in - they have solid sides up to about 3/4 of the way up & then they're vented with a metal cagelike grid, and the door is a metal grid, as well. You've probably seen 'em, yes? You can get one for less than $100 at Petsmart, or similar places, in a size appropirate for that breed; and if you get one the next size up from that which would be recommended for that size dog, then you'd have room to line it with some kind of sound-insulating material & still give him room to move around/stand up/lay with his head near the back instead of the open front (which is what the poor ******* would probably do if he had the chance). Even one of those without any insulation/padding would cut the noise level drastically for him. This way he could still be near his owner & not go deaf. Blind guy/deaf guide dog... not a great combination. Man, that's one loyal dog - I feel bad for him. -- Neil Henderson Progressive Rock http://www.saqqararecords.com |
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A guy I used to know in sOuth Dakota had his dog with him. HE played acoustic guitar with some kind of pickup. HIs dog used to wander around the club cadging munchies from regular customers while his band did a set at this club where I met him. Which is fine until some nitwit gives him a piece of chocolate. Then you have a dog who gets very sick, possibly fatally; they have a metabolic problem with theobromine. Peace, Paul |
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A guy I used to know in sOuth Dakota had his dog with him. HE played acoustic guitar with some kind of pickup. HIs dog used to wander around the club cadging munchies from regular customers while his band did a set at this club where I met him. Which is fine until some nitwit gives him a piece of chocolate. Then you have a dog who gets very sick, possibly fatally; they have a metabolic problem with theobromine. Peace, Paul |
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David O'H wrote:
What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? One thing only: keep it off stage and out of the room. Dogs have WAY more sensitive ears than humans. Dave O'Heare Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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David O'H wrote:
What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? One thing only: keep it off stage and out of the room. Dogs have WAY more sensitive ears than humans. Dave O'Heare Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: pcpocbcnbdmdhgfgdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbomp hnlpddhdoojopifbcgpepmajljakaohidfpfbbglaggbdhdjbo gdekdfnimmlnpdeemgcpieolimgpalakofnghicfkapophdbpk pbdmpmlgfj NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 00:40:50 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 04:40:50 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1071467 On 2004-05-13 (ScottDorsey) said: We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears. Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby. snip hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why not one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and a plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little engineering you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have it double for shipping instruments around too. I can't imagine dogs would accept earplugs, but a vet might know. I'm sure you could get earmolds done for dogs but I'm not sure the dog would let you use them. --scott I don't think anybody's done it. NOw here it's a matter of philosophy, but when I was a young man people kept telling me I should get a dog guide. I like dogs, but they've been guard animals instead of guide animals. One of the reasons I chose not to use a dog for a travel aide was my choice to play and record music. First the hours can be long. Pooch needs time to get out of that harness and relax, and if he's in harness he's working. THat means that he's not to accept candy or treats from strangers, he's supposed to be where I reach down grab the harness and say let's go. My white cane otoh doesn't require feeding, it stands in a corner or if I choose one of the collapsible varieties stashes in toolbox or drawer. DOgs are nice, I love them and have had some good ones, however theyr'e not compatible with life on a bandstand imho. I suggest your drummer associate choose a white cane for his outings to play the drums or devise a way to protect his dog's hearing. THe dog gets as many cues from his environment which enable him to move about safely with his ears as does the blind man. YEs Virginia, the dog can't tell what color the ****ing light is, he's color blind! HIs nose and his ears give him many of the cues he needs about his immediate environment. I've asked other blind performers the same question btw. I've found it strange that people will do that to the animals that give them mobility and are their partners. Unless my dog was used to staying in the band trailer or truck I'd leave it home were I your associate. A guy I used to know in sOuth Dakota had his dog with him. HE played acoustic guitar with some kind of pickup. HIs dog used to wander around the club cadging munchies from regular customers while his band did a set at this club where I met him. Once again SCcot has the other good solution. Build it a cage it can leave easily enough, that is if he insists he has to use the dog. Not saying leave the dog home always, just when he goes to play music. Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- |
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